Comments on: Restorative Justice http://pysih.com/2007/07/27/restorative-justice/ Your daily dose of evil Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:48:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Samildanach http://pysih.com/2007/07/27/restorative-justice/#comment-45235 Samildanach Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:10:57 +0000 http://66.197.131.105/2007/07/27/restorative-justice/#comment-45235 I think D.B. hits the nail on the head. I have worked in a couple of these areas and, for first time offenders, young offenders and where the crimes are at the lower end of the scale there is definitely some benefit to be gained from this sort of approach. And if you catch them with this sort of approach early on you may even be able to make some sort of change for the better. But for anyone to think that this sort of thing is even vaguely appropriate for crimes like murder and rape ... or even less serious offences where it is obvious that the offender is incapable of empathy/remorse .... pfft. I think D.B. hits the nail on the head.

I have worked in a couple of these areas and, for first time offenders, young offenders and where the crimes are at the lower end of the scale there is definitely some benefit to be gained from this sort of approach.

And if you catch them with this sort of approach early on you may even be able to make some sort of change for the better.

But for anyone to think that this sort of thing is even vaguely appropriate for crimes like murder and rape … or even less serious offences where it is obvious that the offender is incapable of empathy/remorse …. pfft.

]]> By: D. B. http://pysih.com/2007/07/27/restorative-justice/#comment-1825 D. B. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:40:47 +0000 http://66.197.131.105/2007/07/27/restorative-justice/#comment-1825 To explain the more delicate procedures of restorative justice such as victim offender mediation (as mentioned above) it takes a true expert in the field of restorative justice. Overwhelming evidence from various countries prove the positive effects restorative justice has on the criminal justice process with regards to victims, offenders, and the community as a whole. One of the most commonly confused notions of restorative justice practices is that it will be utilized throughout the entire current criminal justice system. There is no support amongst the common advocates of restorative justice for mediation between murderers and family victims, or rapists and rape victims. This of course would be absurd with the true mentally ill offenders. However where there is great success with restorative justice lays typically juveniles and small property crimes. I.e. graffiti, theft, etc. Mediation and other means of restorative justice are effective means of reducing crime in communities, and any opposition to these facts need seek more information and greater explore the literature out there. To explain the more delicate procedures of restorative justice such as victim offender mediation (as mentioned above) it takes a true expert in the field of restorative justice. Overwhelming evidence from various countries prove the positive effects restorative justice has on the criminal justice process with regards to victims, offenders, and the community as a whole. One of the most commonly confused notions of restorative justice practices is that it will be utilized throughout the entire current criminal justice system. There is no support amongst the common advocates of restorative justice for mediation between murderers and family victims, or rapists and rape victims. This of course would be absurd with the true mentally ill offenders. However where there is great success with restorative justice lays typically juveniles and small property crimes. I.e. graffiti, theft, etc. Mediation and other means of restorative justice are effective means of reducing crime in communities, and any opposition to these facts need seek more information and greater explore the literature out there.

]]> By: Heliodoro Flores http://pysih.com/2007/07/27/restorative-justice/#comment-800 Heliodoro Flores Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:21:31 +0000 http://66.197.131.105/2007/07/27/restorative-justice/#comment-800 The biggest flaw with Restorative Justice is that it fails to address the workings of the sociopathic mind and the probabilty that it can be rehabilitated.Anyone whom has had exposure to such person(s) would conclude that they show indifference to the means and affects they employ to achieve thier desired ends.Change won't be embraced because it CAN'T.Self centered hedonism is thier credo.Empathy is a foreign concept. Simply put, they couldn't care less because they CANT for reasons unknown; to ALL.No easy fix here.In my lay opinion I hold that these qualities are : hrd wyrd . no cht !And, at this point in time; an insoluble behavioral mystery.To hold to unfounded concepts (such as RJ) is much worse than a suspension of judgement .Let's bring real solutions to the table OK ?.But, maybe I'm confused.Can someone explain?What good would a meeting with a person incable of remorse bring ?So now, they are going to,for the first time, in a sincere heartfelt tone explain what?Everything?That event will be nothing less, than a self serving CON game on the part of the offender.It is thier nature.Sorry.So then; who derives what value from this game?Let's see.The liason? (income)The victim, gets conned,again .The offender ,a break from the boedom of prison life. Like a field trip.This whole thing is unbelievable and bizzare.C'mon will ya!(Performance Art maybe ?)I am one that will stand corrected.So, to the proponents of such policy I say:Parole these people to your homes.Be true behavioral/social scientist ;"live with your research ",employ your potocols and show them that LOVE can change them.(especially your love).Even, if they can't understand why or how they should change. Compile data,distil statistics.Put your results up for peer review. Demonstrate your convictions by setting an example dammit.Then...when proven otherwise.I WILL ascend to your views. Yours, WRINKLEMOUSE ! The biggest flaw with Restorative Justice is that it fails to address the workings of the sociopathic mind and the probabilty that it can be rehabilitated.Anyone whom has had exposure to such person(s) would conclude that they show indifference to the means and affects they employ to achieve thier desired ends.Change won’t be embraced because it CAN’T.Self centered hedonism is thier credo.Empathy is a foreign concept. Simply put, they couldn’t care less because they CANT for reasons unknown; to ALL.No easy fix here.In my lay opinion I hold that these qualities are : hrd wyrd . no cht !And, at this point in time; an insoluble behavioral mystery.To hold to unfounded concepts (such as RJ) is much worse than a suspension of judgement .Let’s bring real solutions to the table OK ?.But, maybe I’m confused.Can someone explain?What good would a meeting with a person incable of remorse bring ?So now, they are going to,for the first time, in a sincere heartfelt tone explain what?Everything?That event will be nothing less, than a self serving CON game on the part of the offender.It is thier nature.Sorry.So then; who derives what value from this game?Let’s see.The liason? (income)The victim, gets conned,again .The offender ,a break from the boedom of prison life. Like a field trip.This whole thing is unbelievable and bizzare.C’mon will ya!(Performance Art maybe ?)I am one that will stand corrected.So, to the proponents of such policy I say:Parole these people to your homes.Be true behavioral/social scientist ;”live with your research “,employ your potocols and show them that LOVE can change them.(especially your love).Even, if they can’t understand why or how they should change. Compile data,distil statistics.Put your results up for peer review. Demonstrate your convictions by setting an example dammit.Then…when proven otherwise.I WILL ascend to your views.
Yours, WRINKLEMOUSE !

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