Kathryn McCoy
When my wife gave birth, it hurt so bad that the doctors stuck a needle in her back, pumped her full of painkillers and did a cesarean.
I can’t imagine her locking herself in her room and giving birth alone without some intense, blood-curdling screaming going on.
There are women who gut it out, though – and apparently 19-year-old Kathryn McCoy, who belongs to some new breed of super-powered female, did just that.
Kathryn McCoy, called “Katie” by her friends, had what appeared to be a great future ahead of her.
Back in Plainfield High School, administrators remember her as an excelled student who was active in school activities. She was the captain of the girls’ golf team. She played tennis. She was a member of the National Honor Society.
Kathryn McCoy was also a member of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the French Club, the Spanish Club, the Key Club, the Octagon Club (huh?) and a member of the Student Council.
Accepted to Bellarmine University in Kentucky with a golf scholarship, the sophomore had just competed in a golf tournament on the 6th of October, 2007 and was doing well in her classes.
So why did she kill her baby girl?
It’s not like this kind of thing is new, or unheard of, or hasn’t happened before. The FBI estimates that at least 5 babies die every week – after either being murdered or abandoned and left to die by their parents.
Women have been dumping their babies for quite some time now, long enough for many states to enact ‘safe haven’ laws – laws which allow women to drop off an infant who is less than 45 days old at any emergency medical services provider, like a hospital or a police station or a fire station, with no questions asked. Indiana has had such a law since the year 2000. The mother’s identity is kept secret, and she can’t be prosecuted for child abandonment or child neglect as long as the baby is unharmed.
Kentucky, the state that Kathryn McCoy was a student in, has the same kind of law.
So. Why did she kill her baby girl?
Kathryn hid her pregnancy from everyone until late at night on the 23rd of October, 2007, when she went into labor.
After locking herself into her dorm room bathroom for an hour and a half worth of labor, Kathryn McCoy’s baby girl saw the world for a split second before falling head-first into Kathryn’s toilet.
The tiny, helpless, infant girl was left in the toilet where her mother let her fall until she drowned.
After knocking briefly on the bathroom door, Kathryn asked her roommate for a garbage bag, which she received.
With the dead baby girl in the garbage bag, Kathryn wandered about 50 feet down the dorm hall and put her daughter in a conveniently-located trash can.
Her roommate, who was slightly suspicious of Kathryn at this point, managed to get a look at what Kathryn had disposed of so surreptitiously. When the roommate realized Kathryn had disposed of a dead baby – which was clearly against dorm rules – she pulled the garbage bag holding the baby out of the trash, and brought it all back to the room.
Who wouldn’t?
I mean hey – free baby!
Kathryn’s roommate called the police, which alarmed and disturbed Kathryn, who was concerned about her reputation and the possibility that she wouldn’t be able to live the life she had always planned for. Kathryn recovered the baby fumble and, knowing the police were going to arrive soon, hid the gruesome package in one of her gym bags, which she hid in the closet.
Police and paramedics arrived at Kathryn’s dorm room at about 30 minutes past midnight and asked where the baby was.
“What baby?” replied Kathryn.
That kind of stupidity continued for several minutes. The police asking where the baby was, and Kathryn insisting that she hadn’t given birth.
Because of this delay, any chance that EMS had of treating the infant was lost.
The baby was finally found a few minutes past 1 in the morning. At 1:06 A.M., she was pronounced dead by the EMS personnel on the scene.
Kathryn was admitted to a local hospital where she was treated for a few days. She enjoyed a warm bed and decent food. Never once did she have her head stuck into a toilet, or any other body of water large enough to admit a head, for that matter.
An autopsy showed that Kathryn’s baby was alive at birth and died from drowning.
Kathryn McCoy was arrested the moment she was deemed releasable by hospital authorities. She was charged with murder, tampering with evidence, and concealing the birth of an infant.
Kathryn posted bond and is wandering about both free and alive, which is more than you can say for her daughter.
Does Kathryn McCoy deserve Hell?
- Yes (84%, 589 Votes)
- No (16%, 115 Votes)
Total Voters: 704
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yes, yes yes, yes, yes this one deserves all that is coming to her. she was smart enough to know better but too sefish to care. i hope she likes prison- atleast there are no babies in there. can someone who lives in this girls neighborhood please kick her ass for me?! and when your done- through her stupid ass in the pond please, an eye for an eye.
…The f*ck? What kind of person would do that? I mean if you don’t want the baby then put it up for abortion or better yet, don’t get knocked up in the first place. But that’s just… wow.
Who the hell are you to determine who goes to hell? Are you God? Why don’t you let the facts be presented then make a decision about this girl. And just because your wife is a wimp doesn’t mean all women are. I delivered my son by natual childbirth, no painkillers. And my next will be the same way. It doesn’t hurt that much.
you are an idiot.
I wonder if the second was natural like she wanted?….hmmmm and I also agree she’s an idiot :)
Ahhh … Sapphire … I take it you feel it’s OK to murder a child too? Murderers belong in HELL! I vote YES!!!!!
I agree with YOU! You are OK in my book! This selfish beast deserves HELL with her head in the toliet!
ehr…. Sapphire, that just means you can handle a wider load (fill in the blanks yourself). people who get pregnant, deliver a baby and then drown them, don’t really need us to decide if they go to hell or not, we just have a little fun agreeing with the fate that awaits her…..
“Who the hell are you to determine who goes to hell? Are you God? Why don’t you let the facts be presented then make a decision about this girl. And just because your wife is a wimp doesn’t mean all women are. I delivered my son by natual childbirth, no painkillers. And my next will be the same way. It doesn’t hurt that much.”
i think the facts were presented. regardless of why she did it, it’s a gruesome and horific act. what a sad state we are in as a species.
exactly, the facts are right in front of everyone’s faces… i dont care what extenuating circumstances were involved… if you are an intelligent young woman than you know better then to give birth on a toliet and just sit there and let the poor, INNOCENT baby drown- then deny it ever happened(like no1 can take you to a hospital and find out right? IDIOT!) – meamwhile- if she had admitted it and said where the baby was they MAY have been able to save that innocent life- but NO…. she decided to let it die and that is why she will get what she will get… point-blank-period!
none of you know her. why is it your place to judge? how pathetic are you people that you even THINK you have the right to say who is and isnt going to hell, what makes you think there is a heaven and a hell in the first place. i went to school with katie, what she did is indeed horrible, but until you know the facts, stay out of it. i hope you all rot in hell
You go ahead and kill a baby and see where it gets you BBBEEEEYATCH
If you hope we all rot in hell, isn’t that YOU judging US? I don’t kill babies or defend those who do.
Jees, get a sense of humor, will you please? For me, and I think for the majority of folks who vote, this website is a way to vent our outrage in a harmless and slightly comical manner. As for Katie, her behavior speaks for itself, and proves once again what a bad idea it is to mix crazy people with religion.
After lurking for some time now, you, Max The Cat, are my new own personal hero. I appreciate your no-holds-barred, politically incorrect ways immensely. Well done!
Thank you kristinjeree, but I don’t think I’m any different than a lot of the people on this website. I speak my mind because I’m tired of dead babies, abused and raped children, murdered women and people who refuse to face the consequences of their actions. If those things don’t inspire one to stand up and let it be known what they think, then I don’t know what can.
well i remember her from high school. oh yeah and the octagon club is a volunteer club kinda like kids helping with habitat for humanity. she graduated with my sister. i just cant believe that someone like her would do this. and about the whole natural thing, my mother-in-law gave birth to 6 boys all natural. there is no super powered thing in woman just some have a higher tollerence for pain than others. if u think about it there were no anistetics back in the day so it was all natural.
@k
actually, i don’t believe in heaven or hell, nor do i believe in god for that matter.
with you’re statement, you’re nothing more then the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
guys… that was intentional come on now… im not that ignorant, i dont believe in heaven or hell or god, but i do think its pathetic that people even come to this site to judge, im sure many of you feel the same.
no. we dont feel the same. We hate people who kill or harm children or innocent adults minding their own business. We dont want to go to the same place or places they go, namely HELL
yeah i do feel the same but i never judged, i just put out wat i thought from actually knowing her, well my sister knowing her i mean. its just weird. im a catholic so a sin is sin but im not the one speaking for her on judgment day.
We don’t have the power to say who is and isn’t going to hell. I don’t judge people for things they do to themselves but I do fucking judge them when there is someone innocent involved especially a little itty-bitty baby! She did not have to raise this baby, that would have been fine, she should have just went out of town for a week and gave the baby up when she had it, why couldnt she think of this if she was so smart?
@erica:
good question, but i can not remark on her intelligence, only that she must have been under some incredible emotional stress. im not saying that was she did was right at all, and i believe your suggestion is a great one, unfortunately, young women in that position often feel frantic and aren’t thinking clearly, maybe we should focus on educating our youth about what to do just in case… or wait, maybe education on birth control, that would have illuminated the problem completely!
Well if this girl wasn’t so cheap and/or lazy, she could have done almost the same thing legally.
Before it became a legal baby by natural childbirth, it was called a fetus. While one must do everything to keep a baby alive, a person (must be politcally correct here) who has a fetus growing in their body can pay someone to remove it also known as an abortion. If said fetus comes out on its own, it’s a baby!
So the next you get knocked up Kathryn, remember – don’t kill your baby yourself, pay the proper people to remove your fetus!
Not true Fred, they’re counted as babies long before the birth. 20 or 22 weeks for the UK I think. After that time, no abortion.
one thing i will tell say she does not come from a cheap family so i dont understand why she didnt just go get an abortion in the first place. i know its against religion but its also against all religions to kill an innocent. especially if the baby wasnt even in the world but a minute.
for one thing, none of you were there or know exactly what really did happen. for another, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. Leave Katie alone
yeah, LET HER KEEP YOUR KIDS! IF that bitch comes near mine she is going to get something special.
facts of the matter are….girl gave birth alone in bathroom, baby died while she screwed the pooch and gave people the runaround… what else is there left to conclude but that she did it? oh, and she became food for public fodder when she became a BABY-KILLER!
So are we to say nothing> Just because we do wrong? This seems to be a favorite verse for many people who have done something bad and do not want to face critism from other people.
But the story does not end at that verse… it continues!!!!!
(MKJV) And she said, No one, Lord. And Jesus said to her, Neither do I give judgment. Go, and sin no more.
Also – what if it was the Father that tossed the baby in te tiuket????
So much for equality….
Oops – my typing is bad – my handwriting is worst! Ultimately God determines who goes where; he IS the judge.
While here on Earth are people NOT supposed to hold one another to a set of rules because we are all guilty of sin?
Question to “A Mom” – have you thought about what Katie may do with you when you start to become more dependent on her? In time you may become more like that baby – something that needs constant care!
If Katie did not want to deal with her own baby’s little diaper, how much more do you think she’ll want to avoid yours?
I think it’s funny that you guys are arguing over God and what not. You’re the ones here on this website. It’s entertainment, it’s nothing for real. You guys should really get over getting mad at the other posters and just read the article. I like these because they’re not as technical and more in conversations.
I remember being on my holidays in the US and watching this story on the news. I cannot believe anyone could be so uneducated to do what she did. Something must have been going on for her to act how she did, not that that jusifies it in anyway what so ever! Maybe she is mentally ill, or maybe she is just plain stupid, or maybe she is just an evil evil person, but she must know what she did was wrong and murder, she should definately pay for what she did.
I wanna know how the hell you hide the moodswings?!?
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None of you have a right to judge this girl.
NONE of you.
I hope you all end up in hell before she does, for being self-righteous idiots.
I am so sick of so many of you saying we don’t have a right to judge and then telling us we will end up in hell. THAT is judging moron!
Anyway, anyone can jusdge anyone they damn well please. If we didn;t judge people, how would we pick mates, or friends, etc?!?!?!?!
Kendall Reed, you are a complete moron. Get your fist out of your ass and use your brain.
Kendall,
I don’t think it’s especially self-righteous to condemn what she did. I think it’s a perfectly reasonable and human response. You are right, none of us is fit to judge the state of her soul. I leave that mess up to the ultimate Judge. However, she must pay the consequences for her actions. She made a series of unquestionably bad decisions, and that’s putting it mildly. Here in the real world, people who do this sort of thing owe a bit of a debt to society and clearly need to be removed from the general population as they have proven that they are hard and callous and have no respect for life. No, I won’t judge her spiritually, but I have every right to judge her actions and so does every member of the public at large.
Sarah-
How right you are. It seems to me that the only people who would avoid judgement about things they believe are fundamentally wrong are people with no morals at all.
Lordy, thinking of all the things I would feel free to do if not for that meddlesome social mores thing.
“And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddlesome kids’… Scooby Do on that and all…!
c
For those of u that keep saying “leave poor Katie alone”! Listen to yourself; do you really think it is o.k. to kill an innocent baby? A baby that didn’t get to experiance life, a baby that didn’t get to live for 19 years like “poor Katie”, a baby that didn’t get to do great things in school like “poor Katie” or go to college like “poor Katie”. Do you have children? I do; & I would die for my children (not kill them.) This story sickens me. Giving birth to a baby has got to be the most amazing experiance in life. I hurt inside for this baby that didn’t get to live. My heart goes out to this baby girl. Just remember; in prison; there is alot of woman who wish they could be home with their babies. I’m sure her prison future will be a bad one. At that time; you will need to be saying “Poor Katie”!
How can anyone seriously vote no for this bitch. I mean come on. You can go to ANY of the places listed and leave your baby with no questions. They would have taken the kid and she could have gone on with her life like nothing happened. There is absolutely no sense for what she did and being scared or having no where to go simply doesn’t cut it anymore with the safe haven enacted. So what is her excuse. I really wish we had the death penaltly. One that caused these things to die slow painful deaths.
Having had my oldest boy ‘naturally’ (no meds, no interventions), I can say that maybe it ‘doesn’t hurt so much’ for SOME women, but it was the most painful experience of my whole life, and I have had many medical problems/surgeries.
Maybe it does have something to do with having broader hips, as was suggeste earlier, since mine are not.
Regardless, after 24 hours of excruciating labour, the last thing I would have thought of was to kill my baby. I didn’t go through that much pain for nothing! In my opinion, the only thing good about childbirth is that unlike many other horrible experiences, this one comes with a prize at the end. A baby. And it’s such a good prize that many women (myself included) purposefully go through all that pain again, because the prize makes it worthwhile.
It is hard to imagine why, if someone did not want a baby to begin with, they didn’t avoid the whole process by having an abortion early on. The stigma of having had an abortion of a zygote or foetus, or perhaps even adopting out, could not be bigger than the repercussions of having killed a full-term baby.
Are there any updates on what punishment she received, if any?
c
As far as I can tell from other web-sites; she is still walking free; thanks to her bond. I think her hearing is at the end of Jan. I too had my daughter natural. I was 15 years old when I got pregnant. Yes; I was scared, I knew I would have to give up alot of things but I also knew that when I delivered my 3 pound baby (almost 3 months early) I was the happiest mother in town. She was so tiny & I was SO scared. She had to stay in the hospital for a few months due to her weight & I missed her so much when I had to leave her there everyday. I only went to the 10th grade (no college, no golf team etc…) but I went back to night school to get my diploma & today my baby is 24 years old with 2 kids of her own! Yes; when you are young & pregnant; it’s a scary thing; but to kill a BABY!!?? Come on people! This girl deserves nothing but life in prison!! Her judgment day will come!!
I went to school with this stuck-up “woman”. ..All she was concerned about was her parent’s knowing that she had sex. Her and her family were very active in the community of Plainfield, Indiana. Her reputation was all that she was worried about .. so worried about that she was able to give birth in a tiny bathroom with no medications and no noise. I dont know who in their right mind laid down with this freak of nature, either. I mean, she is known for being 7 foot tall and sporting an overgrown chili-bowl haircut. This kind of behavior is EXACTLY what i would expect from her. .. my heart does go out for her family, however. she has ruined their lives.
How come you men are so judgemental?. Haven’t you ever heard of “afterbirth”? After the baby fell into the toilet, she had to deliver the afterbirth. You try thinking straight during labor, or try doing something else, like driving? babies come out blue, so it already looked dead. How about the guy that took part in making the baby? His life never changed. For all you know she was raped. Why don’t rapest go to hell? The women always get bad mouthed, never the men who caused it all anyway.
the guy didnt leave the baby to drown in a toilet. “POOR OL’ KATIE did it! POOR OL’ KATIE my ass.
This is purely selfish and discusting. I hope someone puts her head in the toilet for her to take in some water.. also someone needs to go ahead and take out her uterus before she pulls this crap again………….
You’re one ignorant bitch. Even if the baby was a product of rape, she did not deserve to have the first thing entering her lungs be piss-water. The mother should be forced to carry her baby’s carcass by the umbilical cord coming out of her stinking twat for the rest of eternity. No, actually that would be an insult on the child. I’ll bet money on it, even if the father is a gangbanging meth head, he would have given more love to the child than that twisted whore did. He would have given her the God damned courtesy to let her breathe her first breath of air.
Katie’s,, or anyone’s, sin doesn’t condemn them to hell, it’s your acceptance of Jesus that puts you right with God. Try reading the Bible to know about hell, don’t write about what you think it might be. Katie can be forgiven. God hates adultry and lust- where does that leave you? Spend time learning what God thinks, and stop writing about what you think.
I won’t be in hell to see who is there. I guess you will be in hell since you think you’ll see her there.
Why are christians so judgmental about the people who comment on this site?
“God hates adultry[sic] and lust-where does that leave you?”
Do you know if any of us have been lustful or adulterous? Oh wait, you are assuming such things because of all the love in your christian heart.
We should not be appalled by the actions of this women and the others we read about on this site?
Even if they are forgiven by God and/or Jesus, that doesn’t mean they should not be punished secularly.
Men who walk away from pregnant women, to be a little vulgar, suck. However, we women have fought long and hard to attain the rights we have. We have control over our bodies and have options that women who came before us do not. However, we do not have the right to kill a child who has already entered this world because of our own stupidity and selfishness.
If this had been rape, then files should have been charged and, unfortunately, she would have had to have made a hard decision about termination. Women who don’t “tell” on rapists allow their victimizers to create more victims. This girl had the presence of mind to hide her delivery and the child. Let’s not forget that women are just as capable of callousness and cruelty as men. It does women’s rights no favor to assume that all woman’s actions are fueled by men.
as a Christian I know that one of the 10 commandments is THOU SHALL NOT KILL.
um, this awful human that is wasting oxygen did kill.. I dont kill. lets weigh the options….. THE BIBLE is for all intense purposes a “guide book” for life. Instructions if you will. I tend to believe that by going by the “instructions” that I will have a good outcome. Now, I did not say I am without sin. However I have never killed anyone nor abused human nor animal. I dont want to go to the same place she goes… she gets the “I killed someone” room filled up with others that KILL. Not me… I dont get that room… I get the “SAYS BAD WORDS” room.
I wonder if holy water feels any different…
Who the hell are you all to be judging who goes to hell and who doesn’t?? I was on her golf team with her and she had an attitude and we sometimes didn’t get along but she was a decent person. She made a mistake, was in denial about her pregnancy, and completely freaked out when she had the baby. By that point she had dug herself so deep in a hole that she didn’t know what else to do. I’m not condoning what she did by ANY MEANS because it was a terrible unfortunate event and I have never been able to get her or that night out of my mind for the past 3 months. I think she deserves worldly punishments that will be fairly assessed for her by the justice system, but it is not any human’s place to judge if someone’s going to hell or not… All you “yes” voters need to quit thinking you’re better than everyone else. You and everyone else are guilty of “Hell-deserving” deeds at some point in your lives. If she repents to God and he forgives her, she’s just as heaven worthy as all of us. It’s God’s decision and your self-righteous opinions make no difference at all so get over yourselves.
‘All you “yes” voters need to quit thinking you’re better than everyone else.’
Why? A lot of us ARE better than her. I, for one, have never let a newborn baby drown in a toilet and then tried to throw the corpse in the trash. Call me crazy, but I truly feel that immediately qualifies me as “better.”
‘You and everyone else are guilty of “Hell-deserving” deeds at some point in your lives.’
Uh, no. I beg to differ. I’m not a cold-blooded murderer.
‘It’s God’s decision and your self-righteous opinions make no difference at all so get over yourselves.’
Which one are you talking about? Zeus? Odin? Ganesh? Gotta be a little more specific when using such a generic term, doncha think? And seriously, only self-righteous people invoke a deity in the defense of a monster.
I like you! You are better than HER!
Your argument was actually why I finally buckled down and said Yes.
If it had been cogent, functional or even based in actual logic instead of your own ramblings about your experience on a Golf team, I might have voted No. The consequences of either the Yes or No vote?
An increment in a MySQL database; nothing more, nothing less.
Personally, I don’t really think she meant to. There have been soo many women that freak out when they have kids that they kill them. I think a part of it has to do with chemicals and what not. Maybe the men need to take the babies for the first couple of months..Let me do a little research and get back to you on it.
no, i know this girl. like the other person from PHS that went to school with her, she did do it on purpose. shes always been unbalanced, i graduated with her sister and they were always paraniod about their reputaions. god forbid that their parents find out if they had sex before marriage. her sister was on my softball team and the whole family came to watch us. i blame her parents for the way they raised her, the insecurites they put in her mind that she couldnt go for help and couldnt dissappoint them and their reputation. if you dont speak up when you need to know the right information more than likely you are going to screw up and its not just one person thats effected its everyone thats behind that one person too.
So were her parents rich?
I kind of grew up in the same environment. My father freaked out when he knew I was talking to boys, going out, and going to parties with them there. He also freaked out when I was seated near one in school. My father got sooo controlling about this stuff that I ran away at a young age (14) and didn’t come home until the cops caught me.
At that age, I was in sports and my Dad said I had to be the best. If I wasn’t the best, I would have to sit at home and scrub all the floors in the house. I would also have to clean the house from top to bottom. Then it would get worse and I would have to start shoveling snow, etc.
If I didn’t get all A’s on my report card, I was beaten. If I didn’t get 1st place at a track meat, I wasn’t allowed to talk on the phone. Once I would get done with track practice, I would have to come home to run 4-6 miles!
My Dad was always about his reputation. Personally, I think a lot of it has to do with small towns. The town I grew up in was 700 people. Once I left this town for good, my father told everyone that I was at a “PRIVATE” school. He didn’t want anyone to know that I was running away from home.
*A lot of this had to do with how successful my father was. He owns a diary farm, construction company, and some other small little investments.*
After being away from my parents from the age 15-18 I finally went home. I tried to go out and have friends but I wasn’t able to go out (I was even 18 at the time). It was soo stupid. So, what I did was I moved into my own little apartment in town and I rose hell for my parents. I showed them that I was a person and that not everyone is perfect. I was going bar hopping, hanging out with nothing but boys, and partying. I was always scared to ruin my Dads reputation, but after going through what I did, I didn’t give a sh*t anymore. You just get soo sick of it in the end and you want to prove everyone wrong! No one ever knew how bad of drug users my father really was and they never knew he was always drinking, when he woke up until he went to bed.
You would be suprised how some people really are.
Personally, I was so stuck on my Dads word when I was younger and I knew that if I did something wrong, I was pretty much dead meat.
Maybe Ms. McCoy was scared of her father and mother.
I was scared of my parents growing up but I would never ever in the world drown my newborn. I have sense, and a conscience. Apparently POOR OL’ KATIE doesnt.
To: from a small town-Feb4
what town are you from? she doesn’t have a sister
What else do people make up about her?
DOES SHE HAVE A BROTHER
Nobody said she had a brother or a father. It was assumptive sarcasm. Say it with me: SARCASM. Learn the meaning of the word small town II.
how would you know if she had a sister or not?
I don’t think it matters if she had a sister or not. She could’ve had an abortion at the begining and the child wouldn’t have suffered. Needless to say, she killed her full developed child.
Whatever happened to abortion/adoption?
I’d rather a fetus be aborted than a newborn thrown away.
Anyone who wants to get huffy and ‘righteous’ and indignant about the disgusting state of women’s morals nowadays, should probably not quote the bible. Well, unless they plan to read the whole thing, and not just the parts that fuel their righteous indignation and ‘better than thou-ness’.
In bible days, people really didn’t mostly get married and THEN have sex. The having had sex part usually just meant you were now married. Unless you were some import political figure, where child marriages were pre-arranged between countries or important families. They were also kind of fond of not allowing women to as a custom ‘divorce’ their husband for any reason, and were not allowed to have validated relationships (considered ‘remarriage’) unless their spouse was dead, and their new partner was their husband’s brother. Men, however, could ‘divorce’ their ‘wives’ by simply dismissing them if they decided they wanted to fuck someone new. Trying to use old customs from another country that have nothing to do with ‘law’ as we know it as a giudepost for morality isn’t all that bright.
That said, I’ve have two children. Even if I had no clue that the whole ‘penis in the vagina’ thing can result in a baby…. I do not believe for one second that any girl/woman could NOT know there was a baby in her belly after at least the 7th month. Or, when one comes popping out of your vagina.
In the 5th month, when most babies start becoming very active, it feels nothing like gas, or constipation. By the 7th month, when my children were using my uterus as a trampoline, you could physically SEE the movement of their arms and legs across my belly. If I poked one of their little elbows and said knock it off you little jerk, they would poke back. When they start hiccuping…. please.
c
I talked to a mom once who had no idea until she was in labor that she was pregnant.
She called 911 and got help for the newborn, not try to flush it down a toilet.
Well; her trial is set for Sept. 23rd. She gets even more time to run free, to be supported by her parents that everyone is saying she is SO afraid of, in a warm home, with food etc… while her baby lays in a cold grave. The evidence is not showing any proof that the baby was alive after birth. She may not get charged for murder if they don’t find this evidence. What ever the outcome of this is; I hope it haunts her for a long time. I also think they need to tie her tubes to avoid another repeat in the future. I feel for the guy who may not have had any decision in this babies life. Let’s wait until September & see what else she lies about.
Satan has a brimstone bath waiting for Katie…burn, baby-killer, BURN!
I’m not saying what Katie did was right, but unless you’re a 20-year old girl in college (especially a religious university) then you can’t understand the circumstances. She probably didn’t know she was pregnant right away. When she found out, she obviously didn’t want an abortion. I doubt that for 9 months she was scheming some evil way to kill her daughter. This is a case of a young girl who didn’t mean to get pregnant, who knew that having a child meant throwing away her scholarship and her education, and who wasn’t ready. More than likely she was going to take advantage of the Kentucky law allowing a mother to take a baby under 45 days old to a hospital with no questions asked. But when she went into labor early, and IN HER DORM, I’m sure she panicked and didn’t know what to do. This doesn’t mean the choice she ended up making was right. It just means that maybe all the factors need to be examined before everyone decides that she’s a terrible person. People make mistakes!
People Do make mistakes. I know I do… all day long, everyday. Sometimes my mistakes result in a less than fabulous pasta salad (whoops! too much season salt.) or a towed car (guess i shouldn’t have parked THERE…). Most people’s mistakes don’t result in a drowned newborn who was discarded in a dorm room TRASHCAN LIKE YESTERDAY”S TACO BELL!!!!! great. now i’m yelling.
you enablers make me so angry. Poor Katie? UH, OKAY. What about the poor baby girl, who never even had a name. This girl didn’t bump an empty car in a mall parking lot and leave the scene because she was scared of her daddy. She let/caused her baby to die in a toilet. If you want to pontificate on how frightening this whole experience was for poor little katie, think of the terror that innocent baby’s soul experienced. All she knew of this world was a mother who didn’t want her enough to keep her, and didn’t care for her enough to even allow her to live.
Most peoples’ mistakes do not result in the death of their newborn daughter.
It’s three damn buttons on the phone. 9-1-1. They come, they get baby, you get a little bit of medical care to make sure you didn’t throw a clot or something while in labor, you walk out of hospital sans newborn and never see them again. Or, if baby does come out in dorm room, walk it to the nearest police station/hospital/fire station… they don’t even ask for identification, your damn name, anything. Baby is safe, you walk away, and no one is any the wiser.
And you sure as fuck don’t try to hide the dead baby in your closet.
No matter the circumstance, or th e stress of being in a religious university, she let her baby die in a toilet. I am a believer in the fact that you should take responsibility for your actions. If you have sex and get pregnant, guess what your life has changed and you are now in responsible for caring for a child. If you kill that child, you go to hell. For everyone that says dont judge her, we arent judging her, we are judging her actions. Having a hard life, or being scared is not a reason to be irresponsible.
If she didn’t want a baby she should have an abortion or if she was really that oppoed to abortion given the baby up for adoption discreetly. It’s just fucked up logic to carry your baby to term because you’re morally opposed to abortion only to kill it. So she has moral qualms about abortion, but doesn’t feel so bad about letting her baby die in a toilet? I just can’t understand that kind of mentality. Like another commentator said we aren’t judging her, but her actions. She may be the nicest most wonderful person in the world but what she did was horrible to say the least. I would also have hoped that if she was really scared she could have turned to somebody (even if it wasn’t her university or parents) to help her and her baby. It seems like everbody’s jumping on the Internet and claiming to be a friend of Kathryn and saying “don’t judge her”. Well if you knew her so well why wasn’t she able to turn to you and get help? Where were her friends at the university or did they all have the same righteous mentality as the university that made talking about this issue difficult for her? Even if she didn’t want this baby she had better (moral and legal) options than dumping her in a toilet.
A hypothetical question for all you “don’t judge Katie folks”. Suppose she’s somehow aquitted (juries have done dumber shit, right OJ ?). How many of you would hire her to babysit your kids? Come on, she just made a mistake, and besides it was her parent’s fault, or the father’s fault, or the school’s fault, etc, etc, etc….. So let’s see a show of hands people. Here’s YOUR chance to show your support with a vote, even if the chances of this scenario coming to pass are pretty slim.
She can babysit my kid. But we’d keep the bathrooms locked. :)
LoL….Good idea TM. Just leave litter boxes around the house.
Not a laughing matter at all
Ok heres the deal when I was 14yrs old I had an abortion I did it because the guys child I was caring I knew wasnt about shit and my child wouldnt have shit either; and when I truned 16 I thought I was ready to have a kid and some how atone for what I did but turns out her father was and is an excellent father but our happy home was still broken cause we didnt stay together. Years later I married and had two more children…….marriage only lasted for eight years. I told this story cause I see why she did it but for the same reasons I had my children is the same reasons she didnt have hers…SELFISH. I love my children deeply and still wonder what my other child would have been like but I stuck it out and still sticking it out. Now currently I am a single/divorced mother of three children and thats that.
“Not a laughing matter at all.”
Who cares?! When you do something stupid like K. McCoy, you should expect jeers, insults, laughter, name-calling, threats etc. Think of it as…a prelude to hell.
“I was 14yrs old I had an abortion…”
Can you really compare yourself to K. McCoy?
You had an abortion, McCoy went full-term.
If she had an abortion she wouldn’t be on this web-page.
“I told this story cause I see why she did it…”
There is simply no way, anyone can justify killing an infant.
I can’t and will never understand why. In fact, I won’t accept ANY reason.
With all this fucking help in this world, and she resorts to killing an infant child?
No excuse…none at all.
I am not defending by no means what she done like I said I had an abortion when I was very young, I think what she did was extremly horrible and she is going to get everything she deserves for doing it. Its amazing how she was able to move back home in the middle of the trial and even enroll in school in Indy and hole a part-time job…….
Toilet: a bowl-shaped fixture with a waste drain and a flushing device connected to a water supply, used for defecating and urinating.
The last time I checked, it wasn’t made for flushing newborns.
I admit I am as bad as Katy McCoy, child murder. Check it out…
http://www.xanga.com/is_this_what_i_waited_for/623570481/i-admit-im-as-bad-as-katy-mccoy-child-murderer.html
Hey, Claire Jones did a Kate McCoy toilet move. Who needs a midwife when we have our very own porcelain baby-dumpsters tucked conveniently in our bathrooms?
Catch the Thanksgiving special and add your very own bidet to clean off all the slime, goo, and blood. Hurry while supplies last!
I didn’t read all of the comments, but I read some that say Katie didn’t know what she was doing, wasn’t in her right mind, was unstable, or some such malarkey. A girl who is in about 5,000 clubs, excels at school, is in her sophomore year of college, and winning golf tournaments knows what she’s doing in life. I’m in agreement that she was hiding her pregnancy all along and killed the baby out of fear for her reputation. Selfish twat.
Oh and hmmmm….being a pregnant adult (and eventual young mother) with a full and accomplished academic life or a baby killer? Hmmmm, which reputation would be worse?
Idiot.
So what ever happened at the trial?
http://www.indy.com/posts/plainfield-woman-freed-in-infant-s-death
That’s what happened.
There has to be more to this story. How in the world did her attorney pull this off?
Hopefully her family gives her hell, if her home life was already that bad to begin with. At least she’s no shining star anymore, and will have to deal with a criminal record for the rest of her life. I can’t believe all she got was 3 lousy years for tampering with physical evidence. If I ever see her Imma be sure to tamper with HER physical evidence. (I have no idea what that means, but it sounds good.)
all i have to do is think of this baby,and baby brianna,and all the other rays of sunshine taken from us by shitstains.and hell yea i can and WILL JUGDE THE FUCK OUT OF EM,KEEP UR SO CALLED BIBLE BULLSHIT TO UR BIBLE BULLSSHIT SELF.
Don’t preach to me. You are just as bad as bible thumpers. Please shut the hell up
wow 3 years? dumb cunt. i hope her life is hell.
This story always broke my heart. If I saw this bitch on the street, I would laugh as I fucked her day up.AHH!!!!!
Katy McCoy is in one of my classes right now. She was not convicted. I guess pooping a baby in the toilet is only worth a tampering with evidence conviction……..It just goes to show you that money buys justice….
Judge yourselves.
A sin is a sin, no matter how big or small.
If she believes in Christ and asks for forgiveness and truly means it, then she will be forgiven.
If you knew Katie then you would not be saying these horrible things.
I want to know what you would do in that situation.
Don’t tell me you know what you would do, because I am pretty sure that if you ended up in that situation that what you think you would do, is not what you would do.
When something that traumatic happens the brain goes into fight or flight mode and sometimes your decisions are irrational.
That doesn’t mean what she did was wrong, or even right, but she is a human and makes mistakes…JUST LIKE ALL OF US.
Who knows, you may murder 13 people someday and you just don’t know it yet.
Listen you idiot, I can guarantee I will never purposely murder 13 people – I’ll blow my own brains out first.
You want to know what I would do in Kathryn McCoy’s situation. I don’t know, but I know what I WOULDN’T DO. I wouldn’t have given birth in damn toilet. I wouldn’t have thrown my newborn baby in a garbage can, and I wouldn’t have lied to the police and paramedics about the location of the infant once I got caught.
You phony, hypocritical Christians make me want to puke. You know nothing about Jesus Christ or what he stood for. You just manipulate the scriptures to give yourselves permission to do what you want, and grant yourselves forgiveness whenever things go wrong. So don’t you dare try and preach to us about forgiveness and judging others, because I’ll have you dumb ass on a silver platter.
So please, by everything that’s holy, please shut the fuck up.
You can’t reason and fix stupid.
The whole ‘if she believes in Christ and asks to be forgiven, she is’ is why I left the church.
Ghandi is going to hell for not believing in Christ, but someone like Ted Bundy can ask forgiveness and go to heaven as long as he really means it? What if Osama was Christian, asked for Christ’s forgiveness, and felt really, really sorry for what he did? Could he get into heaven?
Of course he would. Would you expect anything less from an institution that, among other things, harboured nazis during and after WWII (as long as they accepted Christ and turned catholic) and helped them escape to South America? Why on earth would they deny a character like Osama heaven?
Wow. I am such a fan of ignorance.
a fan? honey, you have the market cornered.
-editor
That’s quite obvious.
I don’t understand why people are outraged at this. If she’d gone to an abortion clinic a week before, some “doctor” would have done worse to the baby. Does anyone know how a “late-term” abortion is done? Google that! Before the baby was born her mother had supposed constitutional right to kill her child but after the baby was born it’s murder!?!?! Make up your mind America that child was a human being deserving of the right to life, love and respect even before the baby’s murderishly selfish mother gave birth to him or her. Abortion is murder just as much as this person committed murder. Why do we think it’s different?
@ chelia
Did you really use this story as an opportunity to push an agenda? Am I seeing that right? It’s the sign of a sick mind that you’d use the death of a living, breathing infant, who only got to do those things long enough to drown in a fucking toilet, as a platform to launch an anti-abortion screed. What the fuck is wrong with you? You make me sick.
I fucking hate people like you. Not just for being horribly disgusting opportunists, but for also being as self-centered as to believe that your own personal feelings about the matter somehow create a gray area. There is none. Wholly irrespective of how any of us personally feel about it, abortion is legal. It was an option that this bitch could have taken had she not wanted the child, but she didn’t. For whatever assuredly selfish reason she had for doing it, she carried this kid to term. And even at the end, when taking advantage of the Safe Haven laws would have given her the out she desired, she decided instead that murdering her innocent NEWBORN baby was the way to go.
There’s the outrage, for you. And if that doesn’t make it clear enough for you, then I don’t really know how else to help you understand.
Oh, and by the way, I suggest that you read up on late-term abortion yourself. Maybe then you’d understand just how stupid it was of you to suggest that any doctor who values his or her livelihood would have performed an abortion a week before the baby was due to be born.
@ KGB 007
Oh, I get it. I initially believed that you post what you do because you’re a troll who thought that it wouldn’t get noticed if posted to ancient articles, but it’s becoming more and more clear to me that you’re actually just functionally retarded.
A couple of times a year the anti-abortion sect sets up shop at a busy intersection near where I live, graphic pictures and all. I hate having to avoid the intersection, but have managed well in the past. Today I was in a hurry and completely forgot they were going to be out there.
First, that was a fun conversation to have with my daughter. I try not to force a side on issues, as I want her to be able to choose freely in the future, but I said if I ever catch her on the side of the road with one of those pictures, I’ll kick her ass. It’s emotional manipulation, it shouldn’t be seen by children, and it’s an argument based in religious ideals, which, in this great country, isn’t the top priority, no matter what people think. If she’s pro-life later, fine by me, but she better not go trying to insert her feelings into a very personal decision someone else has to make.
Second, I always want to stage a counter protest. There are enough links on this site and others to victims of horrific child abuse, many of them infants. People succeed in closing clinics and limiting options for low-income women, and then you get asshats who kill their kids within months of giving birth. Why they don’t give them up is beyond me, but can you honestly look me in the eye and tell me what happened to this baby, or Benjamin Sargent, or baby Briana, and that’s just naming a fraction, is better than if they had just been aborted. Women are shamed into having their babies, or can’t obtain an abortion because ‘pro-lifers’ pass laws that makes it damn near impossible to get one, and they have babies they don’t want, and if they don’t give it up for adoption something bad happens. Why they don’t give it up is beyond me, but let me tell you, as an outsider looking in, our adoption system is fucked up to the max. Several stories I’ve read involved foster parents or adoptive parents, so just because you’re willing to take someone elses’ kid into your home doesn’t mean you’re willing to treat it right. Babies are desired, but if it’s not snatched up as an infant, good luck getting it adopted. Or if it’s a minority. Especially if it’s disabled. I have known many, many pro-life families, only one of whom put their money where their mouth was and actually adopted a child, and they went over seas for it, and it was only because they couldn’t have one of their own. I think it’s about 25 families, 1 adopted child.
Pro-lifers care about getting it out of the womb, but many of them are the same people who advocate cutting welfare programs, education, child care assistance, and are pissed when the president dares to try to force companies to offer birth control so women can make more responsible decisions about when to have a child. I might be wrong, but to me this reads ‘I care about you until you’re out of the that. After that, fuck off.’
Wow, I fucked up that last line. I meant ‘out of the womb’. Don’t know what I was thinking typing.
Oh, and before someone asks, my husband and I would love to adopt a child, as would a good friend of ours, and because we all have backgrounds with children with special needs, we’d all be willing to adopt a child with special needs. The cost is prohibitive. However, I grew up in a well-to-do area. Many of those families who were pro-life but didn’t adopt could have easily afforded to (and I’m not speculating, unless I was wrong about buying their kids new Mercedes meaning they had money).
“…just because you’re willing to take someone elses’ kid into your home doesn’t mean you’re willing to treat it right.”
Having done a stint in foster care myself, I can say first-hand that you’re not wrong about that. Out of the several homes I was placed in over a 7 year period, only one family actually gave a shit about the kids they fostered. The rest were just in it for the money, because taking care of a foster child nets you a nice fat government check every month.
One foster parent in particular was truly evil. I don’t really want to go into the specifics of it since the memories are still painful even 20 some odd years later, but I endured prolonged severe mental and emotional abuse while I was living there. Abuse that CPS saw fit to do nothing about.
That all having been said, good people are out there. The system is just in need of quite a huge overhaul in order to help weed the shit-stains out.
Unfortunately for all the children involved, services meant to protect them seem to be increasingly viewed as a place where money can be cut, instead of a place where it’s probably not a good idea to try to run on bare-bones, overworked staff. And too many asshats see it as a bit of extra monthly income.
There are wonderful foster parents out there. I have met a woman who took active roles in her foster children’s lives, going to parent/teacher conferences, spending some of her own money to take them to tutoring centers to help them catch up, making it a point to spend at least one night a week out doing something with them in the community. If only they could all be like that.
I’m sorry you had difficulties. And, working with kids, I saw a lot of foster parents who didn’t give a rat’s behind, a couple who said ‘he’s not ours, he’s the state’s, take your concerns about his behavior up with them’. I’ve also seen wonderful parents and stepparents, and some really, really shitty ones. I used to be pro-life, not waving signs or standing outside clinics pro-life, but pro-life nonetheless, but after I’ve seen unwanted babies pawned off on whoever is willing to take them for a couple days by parents who would rather go party than care for their kids, or reading stories about kids who have been killed because the bitch and bastard who made them give less of a fuck about them than most people care about their dogs, I’d rather abortion be legal and the process as quick as possible. I’ll admit the Benjamin Sargent case has a lot to do with my shift in attitude, I drove by that house almost every fucking day, and I can’t believe that people would rather that sweet little angel be born into this world to have what happened to him happen than have been aborted. Peoria had a clinic, there were more often than not protesters outside, and it made me uncomfortable to drive past it even when I wasn’t pregnant, I can’t imagine having to walk in with those people around. Shame is one of their greatest tactics. Very few people are happy to be going into a clinic, most have thought about it for days, maybe weeks, and it’s a heart wrenching decision for most women who get an abortion, but they are portrayed as sluts who are frequent fliers at the clinic because, hey, it’s easier than remembering to take a pill or put on a condom.
To paraphrase the Everlast song, you don’t know someone until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes. I briefly considered abortion when my husband and I both lost our jobs about a week before I found out I was pregnant. If it weren’t for a family willing to help out financially, I might have gone through with it. I love my daughter, but no one was going to hire a pregnant lady, and we needed two incomes, and no jobs= no health insurance. Luckily I got the monetary help, and I have a beautiful daughter to show for it, but I can see where the decision could have gone the other way.
“Why do we think it’s different?”
because most of us aren’t retarded.
I is not b retahrted yo! I is publik edumikated by da publik yo! y fo u b dissin on dat biatch yo
sad thing? I understood that.
fuck.
u iz b edumikated 2?
Travis, do you spend much time on Facebook? Because I’ve seen a shitload of people who talk like that on there, and I think that site is conditioning us to understand even the stupidest internet-speak.
Nah, I never really got into the whole facebook/myspace/twitter thing. Had one a long time ago, but it bored be and was deleted.
But, I’m fluent in dumbfuck, Most of my friends my last year in high school talked exactly like that, if you’d pepper in a few “real talk”‘s or “son’s” and pretty much my entire family on my dad’s side are worthless drug addicts, so I’ve picked up a few phrases here and there
I think texts and Twitter are the worst thing to happen to the English language in recent history. They both force people to share their thoughts in 140 or 150 characters or less, which has bred ‘txt speak’, which dumbs down the language into the shortest possible form and totally obliterates spelling and grammar. And because this has become the preferred form of communication for the younger generation, and those who want to be considered hip or with it or whatever, the kind of ignorant speech is going to become the norm before we can stop it.
y fo u b dissin da poo man?
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Please leave yer politics at the freaking door. In case you have a hard time understanding because you spent your childhood licking windows, this is a site that supports victims. First foremost and completely. Should you not understand that please go back to your first love of licking windows and smearing your poo on the walls.
What an idiot. She could’ve just given her up for adoption.
This is no different than what abortion clinics do.
Really? I mean seriously? Yer on crack are you not? Or maybe you dumped a load in the middle of yer living room and decided to sniff that for a few hours? People like you do get high on the smell of their own shit. Scientific proven fact!
When you do grow up please come back and post again. Until then take yer political agenda and piss the fuck off.
FAIL.
Abortion clinics are giant public restrooms? Are they at least nice ones, or are they like the giant troughs people have to piss in at Wrigley Field?
What people are forgetting is that this bitch murdered a full term baby left it to drown down the toilet. Abortion is carried out up until 14-16 weeks and upto 24 weeks under very exceptionably circumstances i.e deformed and genetically inherited diseases where if the child were to be born would have no quality of life. So there’s a difference she murdered a full term healthy baby you cannot compare that to an aborted foetus, thats like comparing a flame to a flamethrower. She’s a murdering bastard who only thought about herself and her career. And for all you people saying she made a mistake, entering the wrong pin number is a mistake or adding too much salt is a mistake. She opened her legs so i’ve got no sympathy for this worthless piece of shit, and i hope her womb dries up and she has no career because she doesn’t deserve one for being a selfish bastard.
Exactly. Why the fuck carry it to term to kill it?
Because she is a selfish whore who only saw her child as a parasite out to destroy her life as she saw it. Sadly she didn’t see that she was leading a normal lame life anyway.
I am neither for or against abortion. I see it as a very serious personal decision that should be between 2 people. My opinion one way or another should never weigh in on that decision, unless I am asked for it.
I have only been asked once in my life.
Have a nice day everyone. I’m on my way to out of the office for a few days for a job.
That’s pretty much how I feel about it, Mulch. It’s not a decision that folks should be making for other people, that much is for certain.