What is the point of his being here, taking up space, breathing our air?
Is it to provide law enforcement with job security? Christopher Cerce not only has a three-page record full of encounters with the police, but has also done 18 months in prison for reckless operation of a motor vehicle and vehicular homicide.
Is it to, through the magic of capitalism, expand his community’s tax base by being employed and spending money with local merchants? Well, since Christopher Cerce is an “unemployed mechanic,” that’s out the window.
Is it to care for his children, the next generation of American citizens? Well, since Christopher Cerce has already killed one, that reason for existence doesn’t really apply either.
James Cerce, Christopher Cerce’s 9-month-old son, died due to injuries received after being violently shaken and struck on the head on the 17th of April, 2007.
A few days after he beat the crap out of the infant, Christopher noticed that the child was having problems breathing and wasn’t particularly responsive. In fact, the baby was kind of limp, really.
Instead of calling 911, or yelling for help, or doing whatever anyone with half a brain cell would do, he ran over to a nearby social club, leaving his 3-year-old daughter alone with the baby, and tried calling his girlfriend, Jenee Olson, at her workplace.
Collect.
Her workplace refused the calls, so Christopher ran back to the apartment, got some change, ran back to the club and made the call to his girlfriend again, telling her that their child wasn’t doing so well.
Jenee hung up and called 911 for him.
When officers arrived at the apartment, Christopher Cerce greeted them at the door while holding little James - unconscious - in one hand while smoking a cigarette in the other. Locking up the dog so the police could enter the apartment without being bit, Christopher let the officers walk in and check things out.
The apartment was, well, repulsive. There was dog shit in the baby’s bedroom, and the carpets reeked of dog pee. There were large piles of leftover, moldy food in the kitchen next to ashtrays overflowing with cigarette butts. Pornographic pictures cut out of magazines were taped to the bedroom that Christopher Cerce and Jenee Olson slept in.
Their three-year-old daughter was naked from the waist down, asleep on a mattress. Christopher assured the officers that leaving your daughter to roam around without any pants on is a fantastic way to toilet train them.
The officers disagreed, and once James Cerce was taken to the hospital, child services workers came over and had a talk with Christopher and his girlfriend. When they asked why he didn’t clean up after the dog, he told them that cleaning up poop made him sick. When the child services people told Christopher Cerce that the conditions in his apartment were unsuitable for children, he became a little upset. In his best Jerry Springer Show fashion, he announced, “Nobody’s taking my kids.”
Somehow, officers came across a bag of marijuana hidden under Christopher’s mattress, which gave them an easy reason to arrest him.
Doctors, examining Christopher Cerce’s kids after they were taken from him, found that there was bleeding in the baby’s brain, behind his retinas and in his stool. Baby James was put on a respirator and given the best of care, but died in June of 2007 from the injuries that his dad inflicted upon him.
Now, in the beginning, while police were asking him if he’d hit his boy, Christopher Cerce adamantly denied ever hitting the child. Once the doctors told the police that James had shaken baby syndrome, Christopher told them that he might have hit the baby on the back of the head with his right hand.
Softly, of course.
When doctors told the police that a single hit couldn’t possibly explain the extensive damage to little James, Christopher Cerce admitted that he had shaken the baby three times and yanked him around a little.
Then he told the police that he slammed James into his crib hard enough to cause him to bounce off the mattress.
Christopher Cerce was indicted for a charge of murder by a grand jury on the 31st of October, 2007.
He has insisted on his innocence.
Jenee Olson has defended her boyfriend, saying that he is a “good dad” and that although he had never managed to bond with baby James, and never held the child or comforted him in any way, Christopher is the way he is because his father had been murdered 20 years ago.
Christopher’s lawyer has asked for his release, mentioning that his client has never run from the law, has shown up for court in the past, and that the police search of Christopher’s apartment was irregular, because the marijuana wasn’t found until an hour after the officers arrived.
So basically, the best thing that can be said for Christopher Cerce is that he’s shown up for court appearances in the past.
Well, yay for him.
Yay.
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I am the aunt of Jenee and I am disturbed by this animal. Jenee growing up was a very lovable girl until she got involved with this idiot and she went downhill from there - even living out of a car for awhile. Someone should through Chris against a wall - he should not even be living. The mother should get some very serious help and should have no more children.I love my neice but she needs help and I am praying for her. Thank god the other child is not living with her.
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it’s called drugs
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all these false alligations against chris are completely rediculous..all the information that is given to the public is bullshit honestly..people need to first get their facts straight before they can say anything about who deserves to be in hell..and as for everyone else that thinks he doesnt deserve to be here then go f*** yourself becuase he was a good father and you need to get your facts straight!!!!!!!!!!
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MIKE–you need spell check or a higher level of education. What exactly makes a “good father”–is it the assault on his infant? Is it the filthy living conditions? Is it the drugs? I think he deserves to be here–just in leg restraints and cuffs so he can’t hurt anyone else.
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Hey angrier citizen, why don’t you mind your own business, and keep your opinion to yourself. You know nothing about the situation, other than what you hear on the news, which is a bunch of bullshit. If anyone needs a higher level of education, it’s you!!!! By the way, spell check doesn’t have anything to do with being a “good father”. I think you need to go back to school.
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christopher was a good father until his son came around. That boy didnt deserve what he got. Even if it was an “accident” no child deserves that. All that little boy wanted was a happy life. Nobody can explain why he didnt bond with his son but accident or not this went to far. You can blame drugs or whatever you want but the sad part of this is that a wonderful smiling little boy is now six feet under do to his father. All i can say is that all doctors and the medical examiner are not going to lie so u tell me what happened?
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This guy probably WAS a really great dad. Loving, kind, adoring.
Well, except for that nasty little episode where he beat his 9 month old around a little, caused bleeding in their brain, and ultimately caused them to die.
Or the part where he didn’t bother calling 911 or taking the baby to the hospital after that unfortunate ‘accident’.
Or the part where first he lied and denied he beat and killed his baby. And then admitted that he had hit the baby and bounced them into their crib. How exactly does one ‘bounce’ their baby into their crib?
Other than that, yes, this guy was a great dad.
The mom? She’s a great mom, too. Caring.
Well, caring about baby’s daddy, that is. Caring that she supports him and doesn’t want him to go to jail. Probably because she luuuuuuuvs him so much. So much that the fact that he killed their baby is just kind of a ‘non’ reason to kick his ass to the curb. Great moms always put their sex-life above the well-being of their children.
So, yeah. Both of them are actually really good parents.
Except for that whole niggling thing about killing their baby and all.
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I forgot to mention that they are both very clean, tidy people who provided their children with a very neat and healthy home to grow up in.
Well, other than all the dog feces, piss, pornographic art on the walls, mold, etc.
But other than that, yeah.
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and I thought my mom was a great parent taking me out of school to help her smuggle drugs across the Mexican border. I sure would’ve wanted these people as my mom and dad.
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glorybug,
I knew both of these parents and before u speak aabout things why dont u get your facts straight. The mother took very good care of her kids. I think if she knew something like this would happen to her son she would of left awhile ago. Did you live them? Did you know them? I for infact know that the mother worked her butt off and tried to keep the house up. It dosnt help when you have someone at home that dosnt work and cant clean up anything. If you could please not talk about the mother like that she tried very hard to support her children and man all I know, she asked for a little help from him and it was like pulling teeth. So instead of reading the paper and putting what u think you know on this get the facts sraight.
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if she did not know her baby was being abused then she was dumb…she should have noticed that somethin was not right unless she never paid any attention…and why didnt she kick his worthless ass out.if she had this would not have happened eather…
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some people fall in love and dont see things when they are in love. I was in a relationship like this and your blind to things. Men can be very controlling to us woman. To be honest I would think the doctors would of seen something with a newborn do to they are there every week. I would really not blame the mother in these situations maybe for staying with an asshole like that but I think she has been through enough. People dont see that part they are always quick to blame. this story has made me cherish my kids more and look at the relationships i get into because u never know when someone is going to snap. Maybe others can look at this story and maybe some girls will see what relatioship there in and get out before something like this happens. Sorry to the family that had to go through this.
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I think it is massively insulting to imply that mother’s can reasonably overlook abuse on their children because they are ‘in love’ with the abuser.
That insults women’s intelligence.
It also goes against logic. I am not with my ex-husbandm my boys’ father, specifically because I once found a hand-shaped mark on my oldest boy’s bottom, and then later saw finger-shaped bruises around his little arm.
People who put their children first will notice these things. And take their children away. People who put their sex-life first will notice these things…. but do nothing about it.
Love is one of the lousiest excuses for some of the most hateful things people can do. And it pisses me off, because that is clearly not love at all.
When you really love people, you do not want bad things to happen to them, and therefore you do not hurt them. I know that ruins the whole romantic aura, and makes love all boring and such- but it’s true.
If you like feeling all desperate and tortured and ‘in love’, help yourself. But leave your children out of it. Or better yet, don’t have any.
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OK, just to start I know first hand about what a waste of skin Christopher Cerce is. I was with his son as he fought to stay alive and as he lost that battle and took his last breaths. That poor little boy did not ask for Chris to be his father, he got him though and paid the ultimate price. Apparently Chris is also being told what is written on this page so here’s to you Chris. Going to hell would be too easy for you. I hope Bubba comes to see you for a date everynight and I can only pray that when you die someone will torture you as you tortured your son. Anyone that stands bye this baby killer should be in the same spot he is in. As far as I’m concerned, if you were’nt one of the people sitting in that room while his son was dying than your opion is worthless. I am so tired of hearing about poor Chris. Poor little Chrissy can’t get a job because his father died. Poor little Chrissy does drugs because his father died. Give me a brake, poor little Chrissy is lazy and thinks the world owes him something. How does that work Chris? Someone takes your father’s life so you being the big man that you are take your son’s? There’s a special place for you and I can only hope it finds you soon.
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To ‘Sad’-
I’m so glad Mommy had a job and worked hard. That’s so commendable.
But- trying to put all the blame on the POS she had a kid with isn’t reasonable. I’m guessing that if you knew he was a POS, certainly she did, too.
But, she still hooked up with him, had a child by him, lived with him, and allowed him to abuse their child.
Let’s just ignore all that pesky child-killer stuff, though, and focus on Mom for a minute. It’s all well and good to bitch about how the POS didn’t help cleaning the house. Lets imagine Mom had kicked POS to the curb. She, as the parent would still be obligated to keep her house clean. If the POS sat on his ass, didn’t clean, and made Mom work, she should have kicked his sorry ass out.
Fact is, whether or not POS helped clean, Mom obviously was not bothered by the cigarette butts, dog feces and moldy food enough to do something about it. My house is not spotless. Sometimes, having kids, it’s even messy. But not dirty. And I doubt I’d be able to go to sleep if there was dog urine and feces in my house.
Mom also apparently was not bothered by having pornographic images pasted on the walls of her bedroom, where her children could see them. I have seen lots of people’s bedrooms in my life, and I don’t recall seeing ANY that had porn stuck on their walls. Kind of says something about a person, y’know?
As far as the other child being found asleep with no pants/diaper on… that raises red flags, too. She needs to be checked for molestation by the POS. Both of my boy’s ped docs recommended potty training by keeping them (at home appropriately) without diapers, but both said boys are harder to potty train than girls, and that girls do not need to have their diapers removed. So the POS’s explanation for why the girl had no pants on fails. And needs to be looked into.
The little boy who up until recently lived behind us is now gone. Supposedly ’sent’ somewhere. He had the classic abusive stepdad thing going on and had been getting in a lot of trouble. I’d called the police on the stepdad twice, because of hearing the stepdad hitting and screaming at the boy. They did nothing, saying that as long as he suffered no bruises it wasn’t abuse. Even with his nasty homelife, he was a sweet kid, and loved being at our house because, as he said, nobody hits or yells at anybody.
My 9 year old told me yesterday that the boy’s mother was not a good mom. I asked, why? He said, because she never did anything. She never made the stepdad stop.
Exactly. I am tired of parents allowing their children to be abused just so they can stay in some pathetic relationship. Especially ones who have no job and do drugs. And yes, I AM going to be judgemental. Porn pics on your bedroom walls speaks volumes about what kind of people sleep there.
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And what a great person she is. I guess due to your situation we can all call you a bad mom according to your own standards. I am not saying chris is a good person he needs to rot in hell and then some. But i hate people who blame everyone instead of the man with blood on his hands. And chris get over yourself you are not the sun proof is in the autopsy. You did it and we hate you for it. You could have called any of us for help if you felt stressed. But no you killed wubba dubba. You pos.
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OK. It’s a little hard to believe that these folks were good parents based on the living conditions in which they were raising their kids. I’m pretty sure that part of being a good parent is doing all within your power to provide a safe, sanitary home in which your children may grow. This guy was unemployed! That place should’ve been immaculate! It’s the least, the very least, he could have done.
I have seen toxic relationships where one part of the couple would be a productive citizen outside of the influence of the other. I can see how this may be one of those cases. However, bad choices usually have bad consequences and the mother is just as culpable as he is, if for nothing else, for allowing her home to be what can only be described as squalor. I think almost everyone has been in a relationship at one time or another with someone who isn’t the best influence and I think all those who have been there can agree that they have to deal with the fall out when it all goes wrong. Hopefully this will be enough for her to get on the right track.
As it stands, this guy is a repulsive piece of trash and would be even if he hadn’t killed his infant son. I’m not sure what the attraction was for this woman, but one can only hope that she now sees him for what he is, a filthy, useless, lazy waste of space.
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Look i knew then personally my kids player with theirs i saw then almost everyday the reports are kids. There was no mold. No porn pictures they were drawings and the food was from lunch not moldy. The only squalor was the mess the police made flipped furniture holes in walks broken doors and more all caused by the people that you are getting false info from. She was a good mom all she did was take base of her children and clean. And glory you have no room you stayed with your baby daddy long enough for him to bruise your son so i guess by your standards your a bad mom too. I wouldn’t throw rocks in that glass box of yours. Chris showed no signs this blind sided all of family and friends. So to all who feel the need to bad mouth mom for thinking the kids would be safe with their father who was a stay home dad for over three years make sure you know then. That goes to family who doesn’t get along and pick us a phone but feels they KNOW HER.
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Sick of GloryBug-
I did not understand what your first post was about, so I will ignore it.
About your second post-
“And glory you have no room you stayed with your baby daddy long enough for him to bruise your son so i guess by your standards your a bad mom too.”s
Well, you got that wrong. Not only have I never had a ‘Baby-daddy’, I was married to my children’s other parent. I do not live in a community that uses slang like ‘baby-daddy’ at all.
I am puzzled as to why you think I should have had ESP and jumped boat BEFORE my ex-husband spanked my kid and left bruises. I can say that it’s not that he beat on him for hours— it’s that he whacked him on the ass one time hard enough to leave bruises.
At which point I told him he was not allowed to touch either of our boys again, and that I would be in charge of all discipline.
I do not believe that my ex-husband intended to hurt our son, but he was obvioulsy unaware of what would happen if a 6ft3 guy gets angry and spanks their child. He was quite aware afterwards when I told him that his swat caused bruising, and that the school or CPS could take our children away if they saw that. After that, I was the only person in charge of disciplining our children, and I do not discipline physically.
I do time-outs and removal of favourite toys for a day.
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“No porn pictures they were drawings”
So there is some difference between porn and drawings of porn? In my bedroom I have a mirror and paintings on the walls. No porn. No drawings of porn. The people who looked at that site specifically said there were porn ‘pictures’ on the walls, not ‘porn drawings’. No matter. Who in the world who has children would have porn drawings or pics in their master bedroom?
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The feces on the floors of the home? Just another conspiracy by the cops? The cigarette butts all over… just a frame-up? The moldy food, planted?
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According to you, the cops busted holes in the walls, overturned furniture and broke doors? Maybe the cops also had a huge conspiracy where they shit all over the place just so they could say the place was filthy? Maybe they also beat the shit out of the kid so they could frame their chosen target?
PUh-uh-leeze.
Maybe you do not consider a home filled with cigarette butts, mold, and feces on the floor to be an unhealthy place for children to live in. Kind of says something about you as a person. Those things were not reported by ‘kids’, they were reported by the officers who showed up. Oh, yeah, I forgot… you can’t trust police. They are always conspiring against pedophiles and murderers, right?
I am glad you don’t like me. If you liked me, it would probably mean that we shared opinions, which we obviously do not.
But, like most stories on this site, I am glad to see family/friends rallying to the perp’s defense, saying what a great guy/gal they are, even though they molested/abused/killed their children. Get in line. There’s more crazy people waiting in line to post.
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Look i knew then personally my kids player with theirs i saw then almost everyday the reports are kids. There was no mold. No porn pictures they were drawings and the food was from lunch not moldy. The only squalor was the mess the police made flipped furniture holes in walks broken doors and more all caused by the people that you are getting false info from. She was a good mom all she did was take base of her children and clean. And glory you have no room you stayed with your baby daddy long enough for him to bruise your son so i guess by your standards your a bad mom too. I wouldn’t throw rocks in that glass box of yours. Chris showed no signs this blind sided all of family and friends. So to all who feel the need to bad mouth mom for thinking the kids would be safe with their father who was a stay home dad for over three years make sure you know then. That goes to family who doesn’t get along and pick us a phone but feels they KNOW HER.
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Sick of GloryBug……Look i knew then personally my kids player with theirs i saw then almost everyday the reports are kids. There was no mold. No porn pictures they were drawings and the food was from lunch not moldy. The only squalor was the mess the police made flipped furniture holes in walks broken doors and more all caused by the people that you are getting false info from. She was a good mom all she did was take base of her children and clean. And glory you have no room you stayed with your baby daddy long enough for him to bruise your son so i guess by your standards your a bad mom too. I wouldn’t throw rocks in that glass box of yours. Chris showed no signs this blind sided all of family and friends. So to all who feel the need to bad mouth mom for thinking the kids would be safe with their father who was a stay home dad for over three years make sure you know then. That goes to family who doesn’t get along and pick us a phone but feels they KNOW HER.
What are you trying to say??????
are you drunk?
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Seriously…ARE you drunk? I could barely understand a thing you were trying to say. Youre an idiot. Go back to school for Godsake.
I agree completly with GloryBug. The condition the house was in along with the condtion the father was in {drugs} should have allerted the mother to realize that hes a dirt bag and to kick his ass to the curb. Youre friends with these kinds of people…what the hell does that say about YOU?! Get some new friends and stop acting like the mom had no part of this. Does SHE let her 3 year old run around naked? UNNACCEPTABLE!! Get a life. Seriously. There are PLENTY of places that the mother could have gotten help from if she was afraid to leave or whatever. Whatever the reason, your children COME FIRST!! NO MATTER WHAT!! And a good parent knows that!!! I have a 4 month old and if ANYONE including my husband {not that he would} ever touched him in a harmful way, they would be done. No questions asked. Get your head out of your ass and grow the F**K up!! No infant/child deserves to be abused to death!!
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Ok, enough is enough. I am tired of reading all this shit about Chris & the mother. I know both of them very well, and some of what “Sick of GloryBug” wrote is true, the apartment was not in the condition the police/news state it was in. And the so called “porn” that was on the wall, were drawings, as for the feces, dogs do tend to have accidents & sometimes you’re not able to clean it up right away. If that makes a “bad parent” then more than half the population are either a “bad parent” or “bad human”. As far as Chris being a good dad, he has always been a good dad, he’s the one that took care of his daughter a majority of the time, since the day she was born. Chris did have some emotional problems, that he was trying to deal with, one being the murder of his father. And, yes I know he’s not the only one out there that has had to deal with this type of situation, but he also didn’t have a mother. So, for those of you that know nothing about the situation or the things he’s had to deal with, you all need to shut the F*** UP & worry about your own life. Instead of believing everything you read in the newspapers or on this website (which is full of lies & bullshit!!!!! AND YES, HIS FAMILY IS STANDING BY HIM & THEY ALL LOVE HIM!!!!!
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OK…Some people have too much time on their hands and are getting rapped up in this website when it doesn’t have anything to do with them…(aka GloryBug, Manda, & I love GloryBug). I have known Chris and the mother for a long time. Yes, this is a very sad (to say the least) situation that occurred, but who the hell do some of you think you are judging others??? I don’t know any of you from a hole in the wall, and yet, I am not throwing in my opinions about you and what you said about your life. All I know that is
people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones…
There is nothing that anyone can do to change the past….believe me, if I could, I would….but that is impossible. NOBODY saw this coming. It stunned both friends & family. The mother did EVERYTHING she could for her children. She always put her children before herself. And the “resources” are not out there or as easy to get as you may think! So before you open your fat ass mouth…GloryBug…you need to think because we all can’t be as fortunate as you in life I guess!!!!
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Ok no one’s said this yet: If they were such great parents, how did they get in this situation? How did the cops get involved? Why didn’t he call the cops himself? Why didn’t he run to a neighbors house and ask for help?
If he was such a great parent, then he probably was a great person too? Man the goverment must’ve really been out to get this guy huh? with his whole pages of criminal activity and planting all the shit, literally, in the house. Hmmm sounds like the government is corrupt huh?
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I do have one more thing to say next to the Uniqua (I know I spelt that wrong, but you lifers will know what I’m talking about) this has to be the most illiterate group of friends of a POS.
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I have truly heard it all now. She was a good mother? Ummm..NOT. Good mothers don’t let their 3 year old girls lay around the house naked. They don’t let dogs shit and piss all over the house where there is a small baby. They don’t allow cigarette butts to pile up in a house where there are small children. Do they? Hey, I might be wrong about that but I don’t think so. Oh yeah, and good mothers don’t let stupid men stay around and kill their kids. I know that for a fact. I have been divorced with small children and I did not allow any guy I was dating or married to ever lay a hand on any of my kids. If they even raised their voices to MY children, they were out the door so fast their heads were spinning. Children come first, ladies!!!! No man is worth the lives of our little ones. One more thing, there are resources out there to help. Not many, but they are there. I know, I’ve been there and needed them.
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look, how can you people sit here and blame the mother who was at work for waht happened? in three years that man never laid a hand on those two children then unfortunatley he snapped one day. it is a terrible thing and i’m not trying to make light of it but how can a mother who is working control what he did while she was gone? does she have magical powers? wake up people! glory you say you had no idea of your ex doing that well how was she? he had never done that in the past. he watched there daughter everyday for three years while mom worked and nothing ever happened. second yes the police did rip that house apart and damaged it. no they didn’t set him up but reporters do this thing called exagerating to make it a more interesting and controversial story. which is exactly what happened. people like you feed into it yet know nothing about them. why? does it make you feel better? well i’m so happy that our pain makes you feel better about yourself. i hope nothing ever happens to you…. for then you would see what sick of glory bug means about cops and reporters. cops are not all bad. and i understand what they do. but there was no reason to leave the house the way they did. they destroyed property. also if the food wasn’t moldy when i went there the day after it happened how was it moldy that day? it was what the father had made for lunch. also the “porn” not such a great idea to hang his drawings BUT an adults bedroom is there own private place to do what they want. that doesnt make them bad, the children never went into their room. again not saying it was the greatest thing but it was their one room that was THEIRS and THEIRS only! get over it people. you are only making yourselves look like media crazed fools!
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and i hope you do respond to me to show how media crazed you are high and mighty glory bug! and i could care less if you like me or not, people like you are not worth the time or effort. just don’t go breaking that glass house you live in.
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I think its interesting that this site is called, people you’ll see in hell. in order to see people in hell don’t you have to be there in the first place? I’m not saying that these people on here haven’t done bad things, because its obvious that most of them have. what i am saying is, Judge not lest you be judged yourselves. and, in the words of someone much wiser than us all: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone”
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I hear hell has a nice visitors box. You know, so those of us who don’t kill, rape, maim or generally lower humanity’s success rate can point and laugh. I hear that there are plenty of stones for the throwin’ available at the concession stand.
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I really can’t stand how the whole “judge not lest you be judged yourselves” and “he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone” are so over used
we know they exist but someone in almost every post has to over use those. they start to lose their meaning because people throw them all over the place
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…angrier citizen… If you heard hell has a visitors box, then apparently you’ve been talking to the devil, hmmm.. why would that be? maybe because there’s already a spot there for you, outside the concession stand…. A REAL HOT SPOT!!! Like Megs said “Judge not lest you be judged”.. So, why don’t all of you MEDIA CRAZED ASSHOLES keep your opinions to yourselfs. Apparently none of you have anything better to do. No jobs? No life? and if you have kids, apparently your not taking care them.
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Brittany- you are so right. Some people think they have the market cornered on being able to quote bible verses. I wish those people could quote the law as easily.
Plus, I’ll bet 99% of them do not even know which bible verse they are quoting inaccurately over and over, ‘Matt 7:2-5′. Then they toss in some misquote along the lines of ‘don’t throw the first stone’, ‘John 8:1 - 11′…. and they ALWAYS leave off the ending which is where Jesus says, ‘Go, and sin no more’.
Not go and sin some more and be forgiven some more. Anyone who thinks the bible says not to judge, or that only Jesus or god are allowed to judge has not bothered to read the book at all, because it is quite clear throughout that god not only intends for people to judge each other, but often orders it. Funny how atheists and agnostics always seem to be more well-read regarding the bible than every jo-blow who claims to be xian.
For some reason, they also seem to think (when they’re throwing platitudes and bible verses around) that ‘People who live in glass houses should not throw stones’ is a bible verse as well.
I thought it was ‘People in glass houses need a lot of Windex’.
To ‘Sick of all this’- you wrote, ‘glory you say you had no idea of your ex doing that well how was she? he had never done that in the past.’
I never said that I had no idea that my ex had spanked my oldest hard enough to leave a bruise. That implies that my ex was abusing my child and I did not know. I knew immediately afterwards, because I pay close attention to bruises, cuts etc. on my children. I immediately said he was not allowed to spank him again. A while later, when he grabbed his arm hard enough to leave a mark I made the rule that he was not allowed to touch anyone when he was angry. Obviously he did not like this rule, thought I was spoiling our son, and it caused problems in our marriage. I was accused of choosing him over my ex. Which was true. But, it must have worked, since he has never done anything like that since, and my youngest has never been spanked/touched at all.
The difference between me and some of the women in these stories is that my ex has never been physically abusive towards me. I think he was too afraid to, lol! Other kinds of abuse- verbal, financial, psychological, yes. That was why it never had occurred to me that he might hurt one of our kids. I guess he didn’t know the rules applied towards them, too. Now he does.
I really think this is key. Almost every one of these stories has a woman who is being physically abused by a husband/boyfriend/penisoftheweek…. but they don’t think he’s going to hurt her children, too? I think that should be one of the first things people talk about in their relationship (before they jump into bed… so I guess talk about it in the bar beforehand?)- that you have zero tolerance for physical abuse. That just one push, one slap, one black eye means bye-bye and a friendly police visit. Set the rules up FIRST.
Here’s an idea- Do not waste your time loving someone who hurts you or your children. They sure aren’t loving you.
I do not believe for a second that this mother did not know what was going on, and that this was a one-time isolated freak episode of such extreme abuse as to cause what happened. Not likely at all. Seriously. If your ‘penis-of-the-month’ is beating on you, what do you think they’re going to do to your children when you aren’t there?
Study after study has shown how dangerous it is to allow some unrelated person to be allowed to discipline children who are not biologically theirs. The studies don’t look too good on allowing unrelated parties who are involved with the parent to even be trusted as caretakers at all.
I have known some good step-parents. They’ve taken care of their stepchildren like their own. But, they also had jobs, they did not live together before getting married, were not abusing their spouse, and they did not do drugs.
These kids stand no chance when you stack up all the risk factors their parent is bringing into their lives. Love your children FIRST. Love the penis second. It’s a no-brainer.
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BTW- yes, my bedroom is MY private space. When I am in it, and the door is closed.
All of the rest of the time it is not.
I would never want to have a bedroom that I could not have my parents stay over in, or a last minute out-of-town guest. I would not like to have to rush around getting all the porn off the walls, the cigarette butts out, and the dogshit out.
I am an artist also, and due to several years of nude figure drawing classes, have many paintings/drawings of nudes. I am going to guess that the ‘drawings’ described were not just nudes, but were actually porn. Big difference.
I allow my children in my bedroom. They sleep in there when they’re sick, to limit infecting anyone else. They also like to come in while I’m reading in the evenings and watch tv, and they often come in the mornings before school. If my door is shut, they have to knock. If it’s open, it’s fair game. There’s a good consequence for that. It seriously limits mommy having a bunch of loser one-night stands with people who do not know/love my children. I never have to worry that my children will stumble upon me doing anything that would freak them out. If or when I do eventually have another relationship, it will be with someone who I’m proud to have around my children, and then our bedroom will be ‘more’ private… but in a normal, healthy way. Not just private because I’m hiding my stash of porn, butts and dogshit.
If you like porn, great. Watch it in private and lock it up otherwise. Don’t put it on your walls and claim it’s ‘art’. Don’t call your ciggy butts ‘decorations’ or your dogshit ‘room fresheners’. And don’t let your partner beat you or your children.
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Love the penis? no thank you! Love your children, then yourself then I guess sexual organs. I’d prefer boobies to penis but oh well.
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Porn should be kept out of reach of children.
I’ll admit, my old apartment wasn’t kiddy safe, only because I had a stripper pole in the living room. However when there were kids there I did in fact have a kids fire truck and fire helmet and well they just used the stripper pole as a firemans pole. The stripper pole was only ever used once by someone other than kids. At the same time I didn’t have feces laying around, neither did I have porn. If anything the pole was a GREAT conversation piece and people usually didn’t believe that I had one.
Believe me I grew up in a household that could’ve made this website, except no one ever died. There was sex, syringes, boooze, drugs, blood; everything all over the place. Not the most ideal living situation for children growing up in and niether was this house.
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The bedroom is where the playing needs to happen, as well as the viewing, and swooning. Get the point?
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Well I guess glory bug lived with this couple because she seems to know everything that went on in this house. Congratulations for being a great detective. Like all others have said “if you dont know the facts stay the fuck out”. Well glory bug enjoy writing more comments on this couple that you have no clue about. Have a great night and enjoy reading.
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To GloryBug: I don’t know what you read earlier, but when I said that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, I never said that it’ a bible verse. I like to think of it as one of the golden rules (like treat others how you want to be treated) that is taught and modeled by adults for today’s youth…but shit…i guess not-especially by you! You have children but yet it doesn’t seem like you are a good role model for your children…sitting on the internet with nothing better to do than read and post more comments that show you are talking out of your ass. It really looks like you are taking care of your kids when you are sitting here talkin’ shit that you know nothing about!
You also stated that the first time you noticed abuse, because you look for bruises and cuts, etc. Well, I guess that first initial mishap wasn’t enough for you to kick his ass out…it took another mishap of a bruise on his harm…I think that maybe you should re-read some of your comments and take your own advice! You should put your children first, before penis!!! It’s been said over and over, there were no signs of abuse earlier with either child! You can say as much shit about the house as you want, but the truth is that everytime I was at the house, there were never dog shit on the floor. Cigarette butts were in ash trays, but NEVER overflowing! I never saw the bedroom, because that is a personal private area and how an adult wants their bedroom is their business…NOT FOR YOU TO JUDGE!
You sit here and talk like you lived in the apartment with them. You think you know what happened, but the reality is this-you weren’t there! You don’t know the mother, father, or anyone else involved in this unfortunate time.
You don’t know the heartache and pain that has been felt! You don’t know what the mother is going through; you don’t know what the extended family members are going through…so you seriously need to SHUT THE FUCK UP! Not a day goes by when I don’t think about those two children! Not a day goes by that I don’t think about the mother and how I support her in every way! She is so strong, I don’t know if I could be as strong as her in this situation…especailly when she’s getting shit upon by strangers who don’t know jack shit!
BTW: Not everyone goes to the bar and picks up a random penis to take home with them, so get your shit straight before you assume things because you’re making yourself look like an ass!
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I am writing this sitting here nodding my head i’m not even sure how i ended up on this site but i typed in his name and there he was.Chris deserves everything he gets.. Back in July 1997 that accident that took someone’s life was the life of my brother Bobby. Not only did he take away someone full of life and away from everyone who loved him. He also took a helpless little life away from family that loved him also.CHRIS needs to get life for all the pain he has caused my family and the baby’s family.I HOPE HE ROTTS IN JAIL and if you Chris’ Aunt visit him please tell him SALLY said she hope he gets what he has coming to him.. He will know who you are talking about.
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#1 I say this over, and over, and over: Message boards of any sort that have to do with crimes are NOT a healthy place for victims, victim’s family members, or family of the accused to hang out. Period. There are better ways to deal with grief.
#2 EVERYONE in prison, or accused of a crime always claim they are innocent. Some are, but the ones who aren’t clog the system and make it difficult for actual innocence to be proven for people that really are.
#3 Everyone knows that you call 911 first. He could have carried the baby and called sans change for the pay phone.
#4 I have a small child and USED to have an old cat. The cat was mad when the baby came and started crapping on the floor in revenge. The cat went away. I was not going to tolerate that sort of filth in my home with a baby.
#5 I don’t think the fact that a parent was murdered is any excuse for anyone to snap on their own kid. I know a woman whose mom was murdered when she was a little girl. She did have a drug problem but she took care of her own daughter and her daughter was always safe. The woman is better now, the kid is grown and they love each other. Her child was never abused or molested.
#6 I have done enough (small) bad things in my time I MIGHT go to Hell. If/when I do, I don’t want in the visitor’s box. I want an opportunity to help exact retribution on evil people that kill children, ect.
#7 I don’t think it is a wise decision to leave your kids with someone on drugs, that has serious emotional issues, or is an ex-con.
Maybe I read this article wrong, but I was under the presumption that the beating and the call for help were at least a day apart. And the baby’s mom didn’t notice anything weird? Like a lot of crying, or a loss of appetite? Did anyone ever hear of CYA? COVER YOUR ASS? There are charges that would stick if she admitted that she suspected something was wrong and didn’t get help for the baby.
The whole thing is very sad, and I think that society needs a way to vent off anger about crimes such as this, otherwise a lot of ppl would be out in the streets with guns exacting their own revenge.
Once again if anyone here is a survivor or relative of the accused or the victim, please, get real help now. Don’t waste time getting angry at things on the internet. There are a lot of support groups that can really help.
May you all find peace and joy once again.
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Well, Baddie makes many very good points.
“he watched there daughter everyday for three years while mom worked”
This. Perhaps he should have been working and contributing to the family instead. Then they could have hired a babysitter who wouldn’t knock the baby around and kill it.
I’m sorry that so many friends/family members are mad that I like this website and like to both post and read on it. I’m sure you’d like it better if only sympathetic people visited here, and wrote nice things like… I’m sure he was a great guy/she was a great mom. No doubt, they’re being framed. Having a rap-sheet a mile long, and having killed someone with vehicular manslaughter doesn’t make you a bad person. If you’ve had a rough life, it’s ok to break the law, use drugs, murder children.
I’m sure you’d like that better. Unfortunately, I am not into perp sympathy. I try to save my sympathy for victims.
“You also stated that the first time you noticed abuse…” You need to reread any post in which I have mentioned this. I did not say I noticed ‘abuse’. I specifically said that after my ex had given my oldest one whack on the bottom, I noticed it left a bruise. I was there when it happened, and it did not seem it had been that hard. I showed it to my ex and said- you obviously are not aware of how strong you are, so you cannot physically discipline him again. On the other occasion, he grabbed his arm, which left a bruise. That is when I started my current ‘No touching anyone when you’re angry’. That was 6 years ago, and it has never happened since. That is the key. It’s understandable that a person could unthinkingly do something ONCE- but not cool if it happens repeatedly, or if the other parent allows it to continue. Exaggerating my story to try to apply it to this one is pretty lame. I’ve known two different families where one of their children got their shoulder dislocated by the parent pulling too hard on their arm. It’s very common. But, that should only happen ONCE. Once you realize how much bigger you are as an adult, you have no reason to ever have it occur again. Even so, what they did also does not compare with beating your baby up, tossing them around and killing them. Sorry. Not the same.
“So before you open your fat ass mouth…GloryBug…you need to think because we all can’t be as fortunate as you in life I guess!!!!”
My birthmother had her first child at age 15. She never attended high school, and proceeded to get married 3 times, and have 4 children by the age of 21. She was a horrible, neglectful mother- abusive, neglectful, and with an attraction to men who were equally as abusive. She admits to choking me until I passed out, at age 3. I was bounced around in 4 different foster homes and a state-run group home before I was finally adopted out at age 6. My adopted family is very religious, even the adoptive brother that was on drugs and continuously attempted to molest me until I moved out at age 17. At 21 I was hit by a car that ran a stopsign and hit my motorcycle. I was in the hospital, in a body brace, and could not work for over a year. Because of that accident, I have spent the last 20 years in daily chronic pain. I have spent at least $20k on physical therapy. Soon after that, I developed Fibromyalgia, which in my case manifests in my bones and skin hurting almost contantly, and in having a permanent daily elevated body temperature. My biological father died of a heroin overdose. My biological little brother committed suicide 5 years ago on Thanksgiving day. During my first childbirth, the doctor did malpractice on me, which resulted in having to have 3 separate reconstruction surgeries over a 3 year period. My second son was delivered c-section, because having natural childbirth again would have killed me. Since then, I have been diagnosed with Chronic Epstein Barr, which is no piece of cake, as well as a Choroidal Melanoma (a tumour in the back of the eye socket). I am now presently trying to keep the house that I bought, worked for, and owned before I met my ex, as he wants me to be homeless.
Of course, during all that time, I have also had many, many wonderful things happen in my life, the best being having my two sons.
It is simplistic to think that the people who write on this board have had Cinderella lives. If you bother to actually read a lot of the posters, many have had very hard lives, and have experienced the kind of abuse themselves that they write to strongly against here. They’ve had shitty things happen to them, but they still managed to go to school, go to college, hold down jobs, fall in love, and not beat or kill their children.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I read/write here (and follow other blogs/news/hobbies) when my children are in bed. Because of my medical problems and pain issues, I can only sleep for a couple of hours at a time. In-between, I read, write, paint, write music, and come on boards like this. Why I write here, or when I write here shouldn’t really be anyone’s concern, since my children are very much alive, which some people’s aren’t.
Instead of trying to find ways to condemn people who write here who are against people who abuse/molest/kill, maybe you should spend more time wondering why some people are doing all that abusing/molesting/killing.
Just sayin.
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FIRST OF ALL WHO SAID CHRIS IS GUILTY!!!!!
APPARENTLY NONE OF YOU HAVE EVER HEARD OF “INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY”. All of you assume he’s guilty because of what writen on this website. Which DOES NOT have all the correct inforamtion or facts. Not sure where the false info came from but as far as what’s on this web site, it’s all a bunch of BULL SHIT…. So all you assholes just keep thinking what you want. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT ANY OF YOU THINK, HIS FAMILY LOVES HIM & IS STANDING BY HIS SIDE. SO YOU CAN ALL GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!
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suzan reply on March 3, 2008:
ok A.J….I for one will go on thinking what I want!!!!! You seem super smart!!!!!!
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Meaghan reply on March 3, 2008:
What, specifically, is false? Sometimes PYSIH does post inaccurate info, and if it’s pointed out to them, they correct it.
Was Chris not unemployed?
Did he not have an extensive criminal record?
Did he not admit to abusing the poor kid?
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#1- “A few days after he beat the crap out of the infant” #2, “Pornographic pictures cut out of magazines were taped to the bedroom that Christopher Cerce and Jenee Olson slept in” #3- “a bag of marijuana hidden under Christopher’s mattress” #4 “The apartment was, well, repulsive” WELL, #1- is a complete lie, #2- were drawings, “3- was not a bag of marijuana, it was a roach, #4- The only squalor was the mess the police made. Meaghan, these are just a few of the inaccurate/false information given/written by PYSIH. I’d like to know where they got their false information from? Furthermore they SHOULD NOT WRITE ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT. ESPECIALLY IF IT’S LIES……
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So, AJ, he didn’t beat the crap out this infant? OMG, who did it?!? Was it the lone gunman on the grassy knoll? Give me a freaking break. So, the cops and everybody else just made all this shit up. Riiiiggght. They do that ALL the damn time. I wish they wouldn’t do that and mislead us good citizens like that. Making us think somebody is guilty when they really aren’t. Shame on them. *gag
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A.J reply on March 4, 2008:
Kim, who the fuck are you to say he beat the crap out of the baby? You don’t know anything about what happened that day. So why don’t you mind own your fucking business, you DUMB BITCH!!!! Apparently you’ve never heard of “INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY”.
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Christopher Cerce was indicted for a charge of murder by a grand jury on the 31st of October, 2007.
Looks like “GUILTY” to me, dumbass!!! Obviously you don’t know much, either. And as for minding my business, when it’s in the news, it’s everybody’s business. DUMBER BITCH!!! hahahaha You silly fuckers crack me up.
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A.J reply on March 4, 2008:
Kim, YOUR THE DUMBASS, apparently you need look up what “indicted” means, since your such a dumb fuck, i’ll tell you what it means: indicted - is a formal CHARGE of having committed a criminal offense. IT’S NOT A GUILTY VERDICT…. BITCH!!!! Apparently you’ve never heard of a “TRIAL” either which Chris has not had yet, and when he does go to trial & the TRUTH comes out everyone will know who the “DUMB FUCKS REALLY ARE” You’ll be on the top of that list. Obviously, I know alot more than you!!!!!!! That’s means you’re the DUMBEST BITCH OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!
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Kim reply on March 4, 2008:
Yeah, well…it all means he’s going DOWN, so bite me, stupid. You crack me up. Hey y’all, look at all the attention I’m getting from A.J. He makes my day. I think I love him. hahahahha.
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Nebraska Mom reply on March 4, 2008:
OMG Kim~ really there tears in my eye now!!! hahahahahahaha!!!! I LOVE A.J! LOL!! you are too funny!
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Well A.J.~ It seems to me that Kim has “indicted” you as being the DUMBER Bitch! Maybe that has something to do with you coming to the defense of this POS! Here’s what I read…”Christopher told them (the police) that he might have hit the baby on the back of the head with his right hand….{no, no he changed his mind} ..”Christopher admitted that he had shaken the baby three times and yanked him around a little” {Oh but then changed his feable-assed mind again}…Then he told the police that he slammed James into his crib hard enough to cause him to bounce off the mattress.” Regardless of any of the 3 situations that REALLY happen, he’s a Piece Of SHIT! The question is..Why are you sticking up for a grown man who would do any of things things to a baby? Do YOU yourself think that this type of decipline is ok for a child? I DON’T!!! and newsflash, neither does any other NORMAL person! so therefore by sticking up for this POS and/or his ol’ lady makes YOU, A.J., THE DUMBEST BITCH OF ALL!!!!!!!! MORON!!!
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A.J reply on March 4, 2008:
Nebraska Mom,
Apparently you’re a DUMB FUCKING BITCH,
you have no clue as to what happened that day, but I do. So, you can go ahead & believe “all the bullshit written by PYSIH”.
DUMB ASS MORON BITCH!!!!!!!!!
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I guess since A.J. was there, maybe he should be “indicted” too. What do y’all think? If he was involved, we should put him on the Hell or not poll. What did you do, A.J.? Help this guy out? Hmm? Is that why you know so much about what went on? Oh wait, I bet you are taking this guy’s word that “he didn’t do nothin’ wrong”. Give me a break. And another thing, ANGER MANAGEMENT, dude. Sheesh. Mad much?
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Nebraska Mom reply on March 4, 2008:
My it was A.J who beat this poor defenseless little child. Maybe that’s how A.J is SOOOOOO SURE that he didn’t do it! hmmmm…..what a piece of work!
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Nebraska Mom reply on March 4, 2008:
or better yet, maybe it was pornographic etchings (drawings) of AJ that Christopher drew hanging on the bedroom walls! LOL! AJ sorry if your naked gross body isn’t what everyone else considers to be art worthy of scotch taping to the wall. hahahahahaha!!!
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what happened, did you run out of peanut butter to rub on your genitals for the opposum to lick off while you posed for the pictures, and you gat mad enough to start throwing a 9 month old little boy? huh AJ is that what happened??!! Here is an idea, GO BUY MORE PEANUT BUTTER!!! DUMB BITCH!!! :)
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Dayum, NM, you get ‘im girl!!! hahahhahaha Too damn funny!!!
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Nebraska Mom reply on March 4, 2008:
Kim~like that one? LOL I threw that in there just for you babe’. I think I’ll laugh for week over that. This dumbass thinks I’m dumb but with that comment I think I’m rather a genius! hahahahaha! OMG! I can’t stop laughing! PEANUT BUTTER! LOL!!!!!
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Thank you, Kim and Nebraska mom- I was in a shitty mood earlier due to a news report I read.
I thonk AJ’s new nickname should be ‘peanut butter balls’.
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AJ, since you have appointed yourself to be the honorary king of this story, and claim to know the POS perp…. please tell.
Babbling on and on about him saying that we don’t know him… enlighten us. What did he ever do to make this world a better place?
What exactly is the truth? Are all the police lying, and the DA, and the courts? If so, please spill.
This reminds me of something I’ve told my oldest son a couple of times in the last few weeks—-That if someone is bragging, or talking shit about someone else, call them on it. The liars will eventually say that no, they won’t prove what they are saying is the truth… because they ‘don’t have to prove it yo YOU’.
I have a hunch that if AJ was called to the mat, she/he would not be able to back up their claims… and would no doubt resort to saying.. I don’t have to prove it to YOU. I’m rubber, and you’re glue. Or something like that. A POS defending a POS- Wow, that’s unusual, eh?
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Off-topic, I wish admin would post the story about the marine who tossed a puppy off a cliff in Iraq. It’s pretty sick. Utube keeps getting the video deleted, and people keep posting it. The people who have commented on other boards are a motley bunch. Many of them are claiming ‘conspiracy theory’, saying that the puppy is either dead already or was just a stuffed toy animal.
Because lots of troops have little stuffed dog toys just laying around?
A lot of them claim it is a doctored video made to insult soldiers so that they lose face with other countries as well as our own. That it was all staged because of politics. Because that’s SO much more believable than asswipes getting a kick out of killing a puppy.
‘They obviously photoshopped the video, because troops in Iraq have state of the art recording facilities, right? That’s why some people think the yelping sounds are faked. They also claim the ‘doppler effect’ card.. (that a noise should decrease over a distance) when any noise has to reduce by over 75% in order for a human to recognize the difference. So, it’s not likely that the yelping is dubbed. Are all the dogs heard in the background fake, too?
‘It’s a toy/dead already’, ‘It’s a fake because the puppy looks stiff and doesn’t wiggle around’
The puppy is doing what all puppies do when grabbed by the scruff of the neck- Pull their bottom legs up and pull their front feet down. The way the pups legs and body react when thrown (floppy) doesn’t match a dead puppy or a stuffed animal.
“It doesn’t move/is stiff when being held.”
Typical for what a puppy or kitten will do when held by the scruff of the neck. Also, early in the video, the pup’s tongue can be seen, and then is retracted.
Google ‘David Motari’ to get all the details.
UTube and other websites have removed the link to the video, which I think is curious, since there are so many videos of animal cruelty allowed on them.
I am not pro-war, but it disturbs me when troops embarrass the United States, since they are kind of a representation of us as a whole. If our troops are being sent there, for reasons only really known by our government, I expect them to be treated well, and I expect their actions to be a reflection of the US in general.
Google the video unless you have a weak stomach.
I do wish admin would post on this story, because people should go to hell for abusing animals just as often as POSs that kill children.
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Off/off topic- NebraskaMom… I’m assuming you live in Nebraska? Because I have been working for years on my family history, and my biomom’s mother was born in NE. How hard would it be to get a birth certificate for her, as I’ve reached a block in my research. On the paternal side, I’ve traced it back to the 1500’s. On that side I am Pottowatomie Indian, Blackfoot indian (my great, great grandma was ‘Wah Thah Ah. Quah (Blackfoot)Also, French and Ukrainian.
I have not been so lucky on the other side. My biomom claims that we are Indian also on the other side- my guess is either Cherokee or Chickasaw. The family name I am looking for is pre-1840’s- Humphreys, Humpfries, Humpfrey. Many of them are on the Dawes roll, which is an Indian census. If you have any info about this family there, or know how I can get more info about them in Nebraska, please let me know.
Thanks.
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Thanks for throwing that one in for me, NM. I sat in my office laughing out loud. hahahahah. It was great. Oh, you are SO welcome, Glory. Sorry you were in a bad mood. Sounds like some shit to me. I don’t want to see that video. No thanks. I have puppies at home and that would probably make me cry. Yep, AJ is a weirdo, that’s for sure.
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