How Would You Handle Joseph Dills?
Is there such a thing as a child that comes out of the womb so twisted that they can’t be helped?
Is there such a thing as a “bad seed?”
Thomas Dills and his wife Bunny Dills say that their 13-year-old son, Joseph Dills, fits that description.
The Dills family claim that they live in a state of fear of their son, who, they say, exhibits uncontrollably violent tantrums and displays behavior that would seem to indicate a serious mental problem that the Dills family just can’t handle themselves.
For those of you with little background in psychology, we’ve collected a list of a few indicators that, if displayed in childhood behavior, suggest a child might develop or already be afflicted with psychopathy.
Here’s a few:
- Aggression, but not necessarily physical aggression. Sometimes the aggression manifests itself in subtle ways, such as getting other kids in trouble or systematically torturing others mentally.
- Extreme and casual cruelty to weaker individuals – especially animals and younger siblings.
- A tendency to lying that goes beyond the normal childhood desire to avoid punishment. Lies with such a twisted and convoluted layout that it’s almost impossible to know what is true and what isn’t.
- Vandalism, fire setting and otherwise completely disregarding the possessions and lives of others.
- Bed wetting over a lengthy period of time, past the years that the child is in preschool, that isn’t caused by a medical problem.
Joseph Dills has been charged with assault twice so far, the first time being when he was nine years old and hit a teacher. Joseph has also recently attacked daycare workers as well as been involved in several fights on the school bus.
According to his mother, Bunny Dills, Joseph Dills has killed several animals.
Early in 2007, Joseph Dills stayed at a residential mental health center for five and a half months until his parents’ insurance stopped paying for it.
In October of 2007, while talking with a psychologist, Joseph mentioned that he had a plan to kill both his parents and his 15-year-old brother. This alarmed the court-ordered psychologist, who wrote a letter to the court and recommended that Joseph not be allowed back into his family’s house.
On the fourth of November, 2007, after an especially violent episode with their son, the Dills, as they have had to do several times before, called the police to handle it. The police dealt with Joseph Dills by taking him to a community mental health center, as they had done several times before.
After spending five days in the mental health center, workers there, as they have several times before, called Thomas Dills and told him to pick Joseph Dills up and take him home.
This time, however, Thomas Dills said no. He considered his son too dangerous to come home and, unwilling to put the rest of his family at risk any longer, Thomas Dills has stated that he will not let Joseph Dills come back home.
On the ninth of November, Thomas Dills was summoned to court and charged with child abandonment. After explaining his decision, Thomas was told there would be a hearing on the situation in December of 2007.
Joseph Dills, in the meantime, will remain with the Department of Families and Children.
The question remains. Is this the best that our society can do for Joseph Dills and the rest of the Dills family? Is this the best we can do to protect ourselves?
Do we have to let Joseph Dills roam free among us until he’s inevitably caught doing something horrible to an innocent?
Is this the best treatment the state of Florida can give to a troubled 13-year-old?
Will we lock up a father whose desire to protect the rest of his family has led him to abandon one of them?
How do you handle a young boy who seems destined for evil?
How would you handle Joseph Dills if he was your son?
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This family has been dealt a most difficult hand. Kudos to the father for trying to deal with it by getting help for his son. It is sad that the corrupt and greedy healthcare/insurance system is more concerned with cash than care. We let illegal aliens receive free care, but this family is left out in the cold. Mental health facilities are as necessary as any other medical facility, more so in some cases, and need to be made available for free in these cases. I, myself, wouldn’t mind seeing my tax money used to keep this family, and others like them, safe.
It’s too bad you can’t physically beat the bad out of him. It sounds like he needs a good old fashioned beating… and I’m not talking about just a spanking.
As much as I hate to say it, sometimes those that prey on the weak need to have a bigger person put them in their place, so to speak.
Shannon,…I know you are frustrated and mean well, but I think Skeet is right…This is an extremely serious case where beatings would not help….there is no treatment, cure, nor understanding of psychopathology right now….no society has the answers….my husband has a nephew who is definitely a young psychopath (ironically, I have several University degrees in psychology)….my husband’s sister and his parents (the boy’s grandparents) are all in denial and have chosen to protect him. He is only 9 years old, (unfortunately huge for his age), but has seriously injured both of my in-laws, several schoolmates, and killed several pets that his mother keeps replacing for him. He has also tried to harm my youngest daughter who is 3 years younger than him. Needless to say, as he got older family relations got impossible…once he told my husband he will kill him one day. My husband and I have severed all connections with the family, we have moved to another continent and will never have anything to do with that side of the family again, (we made this decision to protect our own children). Luckily, we are both well paid university graduates with terrific careers and could afford to move anywhere in the world, not a realistic option for everyone….and what if the violent psychopath is your own child?… I feel great sadness for people who must deal with these dangerous psychopaths in their families, there really is no substantial help from anywhere. ….just as an interesting aside, my older daughter (15) claims she will never have children of her own because she is afraid that there are genetic possibilities that her child might be like her cousin….the damage that mental disease causes is indeed painful and far-reaching….I CAN ONLY WISH THE BEST OF LUCK TO THIS UNFORTUNATE FAMILY AND HOPEFULLY SOME HELP…BUT WHERE TO GET HELP IN SUCH CASES I HAVE NO IDEA.
Respectfully disagreeing with the previous comment. I don’t think beating is going to solve this problem. The child has serious psychological problems, the kind that the mental health professionals have no real cure for. He’s broken and we don’t have a fix. He needs to stay locked up. I hope the father’s abandonment case is assigned to a right-thinking judge who gets it. I hope the DFC doesn’t put Joseph into some unsuspecting foster family. The boy’s life is tragic. Any freedom for him is likely to result in tragedy for those around him.
its pretty sad that the father gets introuble for trying to protec his family.that just is so not right!!and like skeet said…a beating is not the answer.it would actualy make the parents no better then him.
The harsh reality is that there are just some people that you can’t fix. No matter how many apologies they make (if any), no matter how many councilors they see, no matter what therapy they receive they will not change, it’s just ingrained into their psyche for whatever reason. Most unfortunate.
so the kid’s 13 years old? he’d have to be coming at me with something like a gun or a chainsaw if he had *any* intention of killing me, otherwise i’d probably grab him by the neck, slap him upside the head and throw him into his room. i may be naive on this one, but how hard can it be to physically and mentally beat a 13 year old kid?
Well, the parents don’t exactly look like spring chickens, and some people don’t naturally respond well to violence. They freeze.
Even if the parents were both commandos, the child could always wait until they were asleep, grab a knife from the kitchen and go to town. That’s what Jasmine Richardson did, after all.
sounds like the kid has some serious mental health problems and is an imminent danger to everyone around him.
he needs to be diagnosed and cared for in the way you would with anyone else with a serious illness and not put in a situation where his illness is going to cause harm to either himself or those around him. releasing him to his family or ‘the community’ would be irresponsible and unfair to a very ill individual.
The sad truth to this matter is that this kid most likely will be released and we will be blogging about the murder spree he went on some day…. i say lock him up and throw away the key NOW, i mean c’mon, his own father doesnt want him in the house!! anyone who has ever studied criminal behavior knows that the very FIRST sign to being a sociopath is toturing or hurting small animals… according to this he has already done that… how long until he decides to torture someones kid? i know it sounds horrible but I agree with Shannon… maybe while he is being held in juvi some bigger kid will beat the crap outta him and he won’t be so quick to want to hurt other people and his family(prob. the only people who even care if hes alive)… think about it… some people just cannot be fixed… period!
Personally I don’t believe him recieving any beatings will ‘fix’ him, or make him any less inclined to cause harm. In fact I believe it would do quite the contrary, make him angrier, specifically at whomever did the beating (and in a sense that would be justified anger).
Two wrongs don’t make a right, though three lefts do. Only problem is we haven’t quite figured out how to do that second part yet. ;)
With respect to “he’d have to be coming at me with something like a gun or a chainsaw if he had *any* intention of killing me”……He certainly wouldnt be the first troubled youth capable of killing his entire family, nor the youngest.
Why do we have to stand by and watch behaviors that are obviously unhealthly to not only materialize but pick up motion as he grows before we will do anything?
Honestly, in case like these I have strong questions over the mother’s role in this. Is she overbearing and belittling? Is she unattached emotionally to her child? Answers to those questions withstanding this young man desperately needs someone that can show him a road map out of this evil snare he is trapped in mentally as only he can change his thoughts and patterns.
Abondment and state care which believe me is no pinic for the best of children let alone ones with these types of issues will only escalate this childs phycological trauma into an even more mentally deficient and corrupt adult if not addressed by him through a good caring doctor. Again, this doctor cannot change this child only he can.
Having said that, I go back to my previous point. With all of our technologies and advances we still have no understanding or even acknowledgement of “cures” for these inflication and cannot afford to waste a single second misguessing our intuitions about what a child is capable of. His issues must be immediately noticed and addressed if there is any hope of peace for this family or this young troubled soul. A good old fashioned steady ass whipping for bad behavior never hurt anyone as the previous commentor pointing out however with a child this filled with anger ..and thats what it boils down to …unadulterated frustration and anger if you didnt start the discpline when he was young now you are dealing with the consequences. You cannot provide consistent discipline retro actively.
I say the state is all more than willing to come in and meddle when there is a percieved child abuse, burdening the monetary costs for the investigation, housing and board for the duration of the case on itself, why should they not be liable to assist abused parents in a similiar manner with a regard to counseling for both the boy and parents required and unite this family into a cohesive unit? Or do they even want that? Is it easier for them to play scared of a child than to continuing with the molding of this child as they have been up to this point as child rearing certainly doesnt stop at 18 or from ifractions of authority on the part of the youth. If it did all parents would abandon their unruly teenager (oxymoron). – That is all – lisa
Seriously? The kid has announced that he intends to kill them and they’re charging the DAD for not wanting him in the house? I think this is the most unbelievable thing I have ever heard. They are going to ignore the situation until someone ends up dead.
I have an emotinally troubled son (at seven, already a sturdy 85 pounds) who’s merely moody, suicidal at times, unreasonable, short-tempered, irritable and at times just a *bit* violent (may lash out with a slap or punch once in a long while). He’s bipolar, which can be treated, and he gets meds. He has counselors and a supportive team at school. And at times, I can barely handle him. Given how scary it can be just to deal with my smaller, less-cunning and non-sociopathic son, I completely understand why the Dills must cut the strings for now (or maybe forever). It’s tragic, but for heaven’s sake, it’s not something they chose.
Oh, and by the way, for the armchair psychiatrist who think the parents caused this, read up on sociopathy and you’ll see how unfair your comments are. Sadly, it seems to be a biological disorder. No amount of love, care, consistency or affection can fix it.
I do believe in some people being born ‘bad’. People like Adolf Hitler, Richard Speck, John Wayne Gacy … et al. Not all serial killers, rapists, child molesters come from broken or dysfunctional homes. Many come from decent famiies with loving, caring parents. To some killing other humans have no more significance to them than if they had stepped on a worm. In opposite to this are people who have gone through many horrors, trials and tribulations in their life only to come out stronger and with more faith than they should ever have.
Years ago, there were state mental hospitals that dealt with people like this boy. He would have been commited to the state hospital and probably evaluated as “criminally insane” and would have been kept there on a long term, probably permanent basis. In the early 1970′s those hospitals were done away with in favor of “community care” – which is appropriate for some mentally ill people but not for the criminally insane. Nowadays, what seems to happen is there is no help for the families once the money runs out – until the boy actually commits a horrible crime of violence. Only after an atrocity has been commited – THEN the govt will institutionalize him. Not fair, not right, not humane to the family nor even to the mentally ill child. But this boy needs to be treated in-patient – he is danger to others, which used to the criteria for institutionalization.
Ummmm….no. That’s in response to you, by the way, notmjust using your name to get attention and in reference to your comment about state mental hospitals. My state still has one and it’s been around since the 1800′s and didn’t go anywhere in the 70′s.
I don’t know about their state, but here they could bring their child in if he’s a danger to himself or others. The doctors have 72 hours (excluding weekends and holidays) to make an initial determination. They then go before a court. If the hospital feels the person needs help or if they need more time for tests, the court can order a 14 day hold. At the end of the 14 days, back to court to determine if person needs to remain committed. As far as cost, the patient, if an adult or the parents, if a juvenile, are responsible. However, “If they are unable to pay or payment would be a substantial hardship on the patient or his family, the county must bear the costs. Not a bad system, all in all and the repeated court appearances help keep “involuntary commitments of convenience” from happening.
In defense of the Dills, Tom divorced his pshchopath wife over 5years ago and spent the last 5 years trying to gain custody of the boys. She would not allow any communications between father and sons. Due to “Mothers Rights” they would not give Tom custody. Only after she did mega mental damage to this child and the state of New Mexico revomed him from her custody, did Tom get sited for Abandonment of his son. He was told he had to come pick his son up in New Mexico and he brought him to Florida with much glee. After all, it was what he had tried for all along. When he got the boys, then the dragon reared its ugly head. They were defenseless as to how to handle the situation. The child was in therapy, obviously needed from the abuse that the Xwife put the child through. Therapy at that point was not helping. He was getting worse. Tom Dills had worked for me for the last 4 years. He is the most even tempered man, and Bunny is such a sweet and loving person. Even they could not help this broken child. My heart goes out to them. Do you think this was an EASY decision for a father to make? Make no mistake, Tom would lovingly welcome his son home again if he knew that the violent issures were fixed. .
I just had to snicker at “much glee”. heheheheh. Sorry, Cindy! That just struck me as funny. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t an easy decision for a father, or any parent for that matter. I have a son who has a REALLY bad temper and even though it broke my heart, I had to call the police on him once and then had to send him to live with his dad. He was already bigger than me, so I was afraid that if we got into a physical fight he might hurt me or his little sisiter. He had locked himself in his bedroom, stabbed holes in the walls with a knife and threatened to slash my tires. Then he disconnected the phone when I called 911. The policeman came anyway and he sat my son in a chair, told him that he better not EVER have to come back to our house because he threatened his mother and told them that he was a very lucky young man that his mother didn’t beat the crap out of him. hahhahahah. I loved that cop!! Anyway, after that I sent the boy to live with his dad and they have gotten in to many physical fights. My son is 21 now and finally he got his temper under control. Sad how kids have to deal with so much that ultimately, they are UNABLE to deal with it and they snap. Hope this boy gets the help he needs.
Kick his ass
It would be a hard decision either way. I feel bad for the child as well. I know that he is being a threat to others around him but he is going through puberty and is ultimately unsure of himself. I would hate to be the mother of this boy and have to make a decision as to which son I protect; the innocent one or the one that is emotionally needy. I don’t think that the state has a place in this argument though. The boy is being beaten and mothers all of the time abandon children that are just babies. Sometimes the state tries to have too much power.
I say good for the parents for not taking back a child whom they cannot handle. Obviously, this child has some serious, serious issues and they need to be addressed by professionals. There is not good answer for this one, but I do not think that the father should be penalized for refusing to allow that child back into the home.
What about a good old fashion biblical stoning?
Ever see Die Hard 3? Dress that kid up in an “I hate n*****s” shirt and kick his ass out of the car in Harlem or Compton.
Or Safe Haven this little bastard at the nearest hospital.
you know guys, sometimes it’s VERY hard to approve certain comments, but i’m learning what freedom of speech really means and why it’s such a precious thing. more than ever, i would lay my life down for this simple concept, even if it means i’m laying it down for the likes of allah fubar. maybe if he thought of that, and all the men and women who have already given their lives, it wouldn’t be so easy for him to drop the word n****r everywhere just because he thinks it’s funny.
-editor
my brother was like that, threatened to slit my step-sisters throats with a butcher knife and told the cops that they couldnt do a damn thing to him. my brother has been in juvie, counseling, kicked out of school, robbed stores, and has no remorse. sometimes there is no fixing children, especially when its biologically passed down (our mom is a sociopath and our dad is bipolar: i was called passive-aggressive) . its better for the parents and other children if he is not around until he learns to control himself. my brother is better, but has distanced himself from most of the family. my mother attempted to get him help but the first juvenile facility she took him to said they wouldnt take him until he hurt himself or someone else
I think it is very sad for the parents to be facing the guilt they are most likely facing of failing their son in some way. I couldn’t even imagine the heart-wrenching feelings they flip flop between. On one hand, you want to love your child, no matter what they do. On the other, you wish he was never born or you did something differently.
What I find VERY interesting about this story is how we all sit here now and sympathize with the ordeal the parents must be going through. If this story didn’t exist, and we never heard of Joseph Dills until a few years from now, AFTER he went on a murder spree and brutally wiped out half of a college campus’ female student body, but only after sexually abusing them in ways unimaginable to most, we would be sitting here wondering how horrid his parents must have been when he was a child. What atrocious beatings they must have inflicted on him during his innocent youth and/or the mental abuse he must have suffered. We probably would assume that some Uncle or priest must have forced him into devient, sexual acts. If his family members came on here and professed their condolences to their sons victims, we’d tell them to rot in hell for their part in creating an evil monster and that they don’t deserve anyone’s forgiveness. Think about it, most people would. We always seem to think the evil is rooted in the raising of the child – and most times it is. I just thought that I would point this out to everyone. You can disagree if you’d like, but it’s people like this that always make me feel some compasion for the “bad guys” side. I don’t believe that all monsters are created, some are just born.
This family is lucky about one thing. They are strong enough to turn on their son now, in the hopes that help will be found for him. In 10 years from now, they will have proof that they tried.
I personally would find out information about a boot camp of some sort. The father shouldn’t be charged in my opinion. My husbands step brother was scratch that, is a psychopath. He abused my husband daily when they were growing up, and his parents didn’t believe him, didn’t think he could do the things my hubby said. His step brother knows what to say, and how to say it in any situation. He is a lying, cheating, stealing and manipulative asshole. He has a 5 year old son he’s only seen probably a total of 10 times, none of which have been in the last 4 years. Brandon has been in and out of jail, used to hit my husband “jokingly” even as to slicing his arm with a machete (as adults). We had to live with him for about 5 months, and it was terrible. Jail seemed to be the only thing that would set him straight but only temporarily. I really think if he does hard time that it could set him straight. I think this boy needs to be locked up for awhile to understand the privilege of being “free”. He might even need tranqs to help him who knows. sad fucked up situation here.
I remember when I was about 16 and my younger brother was 12. He pulled the fire alarm at school and that set in motion a string of events that weren’t especially nice. He had to get counseling and our family was evaluated. My brothers physician said he was severely ADHD and needed immediate medicating- my dad refused and said that his problems weren’t so bad that a good old fashioned ass whoopin wouldn’t set him straight. We were never spanked ever- but just the thought that it could happen was enough to scare my brother to behave. I know this isn’t appropriate for this case, but my dad made a good point when he said there weren’t so many out of control kids back in his day when parents ran the house and punishments were doled out accordingly. In these days where a child would dare call 911 on their parents falsely, I don’t think there is a right answer because, honestly, you’re damned if you and you’re damned if you dont.
I am curious about the bio mother that was mentioned by dad’s employer in an earlier posting, what kind of abuse did she put the kids through and what are her mental issues, if we knew more about her maybe it would show an inherited chemical imbalance or condition such as bi-polar which could possibly be treated. Dad does not deserve jail at all, and the kid is going to need a lot more help than a parent could give him, maybe a secure group home or a Boys Town environment
Yes im the step-mother of this child who stared having problems at a very young age… his mother took him and his brother and ran with them for 4 1/2 years telling lies as she went saying she was hiding from TOM their father because of domsetic abuse…. but in truth she was the one with the records for all of the abuse battery.. since this blogg started the STATE of Florida DCF and Brevard CBC.. Have given Joseph back to the abusive Mother Karen… since 2008 he has been arrested 3 times for abuse to others. Nov. 25 he and his stepfather got into a fight and Joseph stabbed Pat with a bathroom Doorhandle, Pat hit Joseph with a skillet. Florida DCF has contacted US about Joseph telling us he has been acting out and and Tom had to go to court thanksgiving morning to a hearing about Joseph being taken from his unfit mother….. well we told them she was unfit and so did the court papers we had from an orange county court Judge who ordered supervised visits for Karen and Joseph only…. But Florida DCF didnt Listen then either and gave the child back to that mentally ill woman.. whats it going to take JOSEPH DILLS to actually KILL someone Before they listen to the Father & Stepmother of this child .. He needs help longterm help…Our insurance paid all they would.. thats why we signed over Joseph to the Florida DCF becaues they said they would get him HELP… Please if anyone out there can help let us KNOW!!!!!!
I’m sorry to hear about all your troubles Mrs. Dills. Unfortunately you appear to be getting the typical treatment most people get from every State’s DCF. No one who works there really wants to do their jobs, everyone complains about being overworked and underpaid, and nothing really happens until a child dies, disappears or kills someone. It’s sad, really, that so few DCF employees treat their job like the calling that it truly is. Joseph appears to have been a victim all his life, a victim of his mother, a victim of a piss-poor heath care system, and now a victim of a child welfare system that has wiped all the humanity from the process.
I can only imagine your frustration, and I wish I had some answers for you. All we can offer you is a place to vent your anger, and a bunch of people who are very sympathetic to what you and your husband, and Joseph as well, are going through.
Why don’t you tell them how much you have ***** this child ********* and **********. How about the time you gave him a ******** of ***** *** try to kill him and luckily after you drop him off at Crosswinds the nurse realized something was wrong and rush him to the hospital. He has ***** on his back from you. You feed him nothing but peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Yes for breaksfast lunch and dinner. You have not only ******* him but was ******* *** ***** on *** of your customers. Luckily for you ***** ***** and you can afford **** ******* to get you *** ** ********.
So really think about how much you have done to this child and maybe you will get the help you need so much!!!
Slander & Unsubstantiated Accusations Removed By Editor
Oh no, not on my website – I’m going to remove the worst of your unsupported accusations until you can offer some kind of verifiable proof. You know, DCF records, police reports, court records, that sort of proof.
What I’m not going to do is allow you to attack these people with whatever comes into your head. So either put up or shut up.
I have the proof from her overdosing Joseph medical records do not lie. Joseph still has scar on his back where she beat him with a pipe. The whole incident at Corey Bell was recorded it clearly shows Bunnie pulling out another peanut butter sandwich and saying this is your dinner. just think how much she has done and not just to Joseph she been arrested for assault for attacking a customer in her shop. the activities that joseph has seen in your house is sick. it is already to be bi sexual but a child should not be exposed to it. Keep your sex toys in your bedroom. My daughter even told me this and she is 26 years old. We need to work together and get him the help he needs so much instead of name calling and trying you best to avoid child support work with me and get him the help the court ordered you to help with medical expense but you still refuse to help me at all
just rember who raised your children you did not that says alot.
You can just blurred out my comments but we all know the true.
Well I did some checking too mom, and you’re about to lose custody of Joseph again, are you not? The state is about to take him away from you, isn’t that true? And the reason Dad and stepmom gave up custody really was strictly so Joseph could get help through the state, because their insurance had run out, and the state turned around and screwed them.
Hospital records don’t prove who was responsible or how the overdose occurred. For all we know, P & J is the only food Joseph would eat. You haven’t proved anything.
I don’t know if you are who you say you are, but I’m replying for the sake of Joseph and the family who does care about him. If you are BioMom, I don’t like you. You’re a liar at best, and more likely a lot of crazy. Stop coming here and trashing Dad and stepmom. I’ll just start deleting the worst lies and trashing the rest with the truth.
Well now we know where the kid got the crazy from. Lady you need to do everybody a favor and not be around children and let that kid be taken by the state. You’re no help to him, you don’t even appear to be any help to yourself. You lost control of him at a young age, reacted poorly to his behavioral issues, are blaming other people, and nothing will ever get better because you’re a huge speed bump to the process.
Hi
I bio mom sister. Do you know she has 5 children and only joseph has behavior problems. All of her shildren are employed never been arrested and have a very good life. What doo you accounted that to. Yes, Karen is sick not mental she needs a liver transplant. Do you know what her ex husband has done to her.
I have Joseph over for dinner and He eats anything I fix. The Peanut and Jelly was for punishment. Stop trashing my sister and get your facts straight
“I bio mom sister. Do you know she has 5 children and only joseph has behavior problems. All of her shildren are employed never been arrested and have a very good life. What doo you accounted that to.”
An as yet undiagnosed disease of Joseph’s brain. What’s your point? Are you insinuating that it’s the Dills’ fault that Joseph acts out? Because if you are, you even more ignorant than your sister.
“Yes, Karen is sick not mental she needs a liver transplant. Do you know what her ex husband has done to her.”
Who cares? The ex-husband is ancient history, and liver disease at such a young age says alcoholism or hepatitis to me. People don’t usually contract hepatitis from clean living and going to church on Sunday.