They certainly weren’t the first.
For example:
On the 21st of May, 1924, University students Leopold and Loeb murdered 14-year-old Bobby Franks for the hell of it. They were both imprisoned for life.
On the 12th of February, 1993, Robert Thompson and Jon Venables killed toddler James Bulger. For this they were each given a ten year prison sentence.
In March of 1994, Lawrence Colwell Jr. strangled an elderly tourist in Las Vegas, Nevada and was eventually executed.
On the 27th of May, 1996, Tony Amati, Edward James and Troy Sampson murdered three people in Las Vegas.
On the 19th of April, 1997, for a thrill, 18-year-old Thomas Koskovich and 17-year-old Jayson Vreeland lured pizza delivery personnel, Jeremy Giordano and Giorgio Gallara, to a remote area to murder them.
In 1999, Alfred Brissette and Marc Girard, of Woonsocket, Rhode Island conspired to kill a 30-year-old woman to “see what it would be like.”
And, as time marches on and both Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz fade into obscurity and become footnotes themselves, they won’t be the last murdering bastards to kill for the fun of it.
In the meantime, Jean Pierre Orlewicz and Alexander Letkemann will enjoy their day in the sun for what they did.
There might have been a few reasons for someone to kill 26-year-old Daniel Sorenson. He was a registered sex offender in both Michigan and Illinois, and he made it a habit to owe people money. Now you might say, “Hey, he was a registered sex offender! String him up!” but Sorenson really didn’t do much to get on that registry, unless you count having a 14-year-old girlfriend when you’re 17 as a major crime.
Of course, Alexander and Jean Pierre didn’t plan their killing because of Daniel Sorenson’s history. They didn’t do it because he owed Orlewicz $400. No, Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz spread a tarp on the floor of a garage owned by Orlewicz’s grandfather and collected the tools required to brutally murder someone just for the hell of it.
With a quick call and an invitation for Daniel Sorenson to come over, their trap was set.
The plan was actually a pretty good one, really. I mean in the cold-blooded murder plan sense.
As Daniel Sorenson walked through the door to the garage, Jean Pierre Orlewicz began stabbing him in the back, over and over. As Daniel collapsed to the ground, Letkemann closed the door in order to keep the sound of a man noisily dying from alerting anyone.
As Daniel’s life bled out all over the tarp, JP Orlewicz grabbed a handy hacksaw and went to work, sawing through Daniel’s neck and removing his head. That done, the pair applied a blowtorch to Daniel’s hands and feet in an attempt to eliminate the chance police would be able to find out who the corpse was through the use of fingerprints.
Wrapping the body up in the tarp, Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz put the grisly package into the back of a pickup truck and drove off.
Daniel Sorenson’s body was dumped on the ground and set on fire at a construction site located on a cul-de-sac.
His head was dropped into a local river.
Daniel’s torso was found by a utility crew the next day and for a little while at least, the authorities were stumped. There isn’t much evidence you can get from a soggy head.
The perfect crime, it would seem.
And if Daniel Sorenson hadn’t told friends that the pair had invited him over to see them, they might have gotten away with it too.
Too bad for them that he did, I suppose.
The trail led directly to Jean Pierre’s house, where the knife Jean Pierre used on Daniel’s back was found. Both Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz were arrested and interrogated
Alexander Letkemann broke first, told the authorities where Daniel’s head could be found, and it was all over.
Alexander Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz have both been charged with first-degree premeditated murder, felony murder and mutilation of a corpse. For the benefit of those of you in the stands, that’s a mandatory life sentence, a mandatory life sentence and a possible 10 years.
For those of you who like this kind of thing, here’s Alexander Letkemann’s MySpace page, and here’s Jean Pierre Orlewicz’s MySpace page.
Find out more about these two and people like them by using an online background check service like the one People You’ll See In Hell uses. One payment of $29 and you’ll get three years of access to their database. Learn the truth about who you know.
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alex is 18, not 17.
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Amanda reply on April 10, 2008:
Um…JP’s really hot.
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Bethany reply on April 10, 2008:
Um…so is hell you insensitive bitch.
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ERRRRRRRRRRR reply on April 11, 2008:
There’s obviously something wrong with you if you think a cold blooded killer is hot maybe you should talk to someone!
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kk reply on May 13, 2008:
your a stupid whore
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dan smith reply on April 12, 2008:
my gut feeling after watching this trial for two days is that it is ‘NOT A TEEN THRILL KILL’ and now i will explain my opinion.the size and age difference between dan and jp,what is a heavy an dbig, strong bouncer doing hanging around with teenagers waving a gun in their face to extort money supposed to mean? dan was a sex offendor ,proven once by law,so was he only a sex offendor for girls only or for the handsome jp as well? i think th eboys and girls have to all be re-questioned in private by experts to find the basis of th eanger and hatred in jp.
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Copy that. Changed, and thank you.
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I don’t mean to be rude, but my friend is friends with Alex, and my boyfriend was best friends with him for five years (although has not talked to him in a litle over a year), and JP went to my school. ALthough the news has some of it correct, a lot of it as been exaggerated.
JP did all of the killing. He was alone when he lured Daniel into the garage, alone when he killed him, and then called Alex for help when his puny ass couldn’t move the body.
Do I think it’s wrong? Yeah.
Regardless of how good of friends I was with a person, I wouldn’t help them move a friggin body.
But anyways, it just bugs me how much the media is making Alex sound as morbid as JP. My friend rode JP’s bus the morning he got arrested, and he was bragging about killing the guy.
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Allie reply on April 9, 2008:
Sorry but I am watching the trial right now & Alex is testifying to something totally different. He was there when the murder occurred.
And Alex knew it was planned for that day, he agreed to help JP because he owed JP $100 — and JP offered up a way to expunge the debt by helping him w/the murder and dispose of the body.
I am hearing it from the horses mouth right now, so give it up!
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Anna reply on April 9, 2008:
2nd that!!!
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DomesGoddess reply on April 14, 2008:
You’re right dear - Alex is just JP’s goofy idiot murdering sidekick - I am sure he is a really swell kid -
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Not for you to know reply on April 16, 2008:
who ever the hell you r need to shut your fucking mouth before I find you and shut it for you and your friend who rode his bus!
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Max The Cat reply on April 16, 2008:
Hey toughguy, have you seen this bit of video?
http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/15903586/index.html
Seems like JP lost HIS voice recently..
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I’m sorry Amanda, you seem to have me confused with someone who gives a crap. Even if what you say is true, he still willing became an accomplice to murder by helping dispose of the body and not reporting it to the police.
And if the media is right, well then he helped kill and that’s even worse. Granted, I’ll admit the media tends to blow things out of proportion for shock value and ratings, but also those whom are connected to events in any way tend to tell things from a very biased point of view, so the two sorta cancel each other out in the end there.
Not to mention, to be perfectly honest I really don’t know who you are, you could be anyone claiming to have known the people involved, you could even be my next door neighbor for all I know, so I’m more inclined to believe the media, sorry that’s just the way it is.
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If you read their myspace pages, they both claim to be atheists. As far as I’m concerned, it’s the parents fault, too. No solid social and moral upbringing at all. And living in a nice neighborhood and having material things don’t count as a “good upbringing.” These parents need to pay more attention to their kids’ lives and get involved — I don’t mean taking them to their soccer and football practice.
Just my two cents.
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Chad reply on April 9, 2008:
Riiiiight. It’s because they’re atheists. Nevermind the woman who dismembered her children because god told her to. Or the other woman who drowned all 5 of her children (each with bible-themed names) because god told her to. No, religious people never do bad things. Ass-rape me on the altar if I’m lyin’. Atheists commit BY FAR less crimes inproportion to their total population than Christians do. So you can drop that moral high horse crap right now. The numbers don’t agree.
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ERRRRRRRRRRR reply on April 11, 2008:
No, never do? If you want to sound credible or intelligent you missed it buddy. I don’t agree with bible thumpers or atheists. But if you want to make a point you need to at least be able to correctly use the english language!!!
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sp reply on April 11, 2008:
Yeah, because every child that is brought up well by the parents turns out perfect! HOW STUPID!!!! To blame the parents is such a cop out! Kids need to own what they have done. IT IS NOT THE PARENTS FAULT. It sounds like you don’t have kids, but if you do, you should know that even when they are very young, they don’t do what you want them to. You can’t make their decisions for them, you raise them the best that you know how, and hope they will make wise decisions.
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Amanda reply on May 4, 2008:
I second this!!!! Well said, SP.
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Dude I knew Alex and JP. And I am still unsure weather they did it or not. But on FOX 2 NEWS ((tonight)) there was something about a bunch of friends of mine…Murder House Records.. and I would just like to know how the hell can they even attempt to blame it on music? This is all just very stressful for me and i think alot of what the news has said is a bunch of bullshit and lies.
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Well the fact that it’s FOX news should be a clue right there…
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quoting sugarplum
“If you read their myspace pages, they both claim to be atheists.”
What does that have to do with anything? i’m an atheist, but i’m sure no cold-blooded killer and have a good moral upbringing (curtousy of my also atheist mother).
moral question here, if your best friend kills someone and asks you for help, would you do it?
i’m not sure i’d say no to be honest, friendship is one of the most important things in life for me and i can’t really answer how far i’d go in the name of friendship. if only JP did the killing, i’d say he deserves a life sentence (or even the death penalty if you ask me). If all Alex did was help his friend, he still deserves jailtime in my humble opinion, but not a long sentence.
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anon reply on April 9, 2008:
Ok so let me get this straight, you have a moral upbringing and your consider yourself to have good morals yet you would possibly help your best friend kill someone because they are your best friend. I think that makes you immoral and the fact that you claim to be moral despite being atheist is not supported by the fact that you said you would possibly help your best friend take someone else’s life, or help them after they had taken someone’s life. Perhaps you can clarify how you are still a moral person even though you admit that you would at least be an accomplice to murder because your post actually supports sugarplum’s statements that atheists are immoral.
Furthermore, the reason Alex should get a long sentence even “if all alex did was help a friend” is because he could have saved the life of the person his friend was trying to kill AND he could have saved his friend from life in prison or the death penalty by preventing him from taking someone else’s life.
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Sarah reply on May 25, 2008:
DuelDenz,
You are an idiot! You have a good moral upbringing and think you are a moral person yet you would help your best friend kill someone just because they are your friend?
Are you kidding me?
What type of person would even think about helping someone else murder someone?
Letkemann is going to PRISON– maximum security prison for at least 20 years.. maybe up to 30 yrs. He will be 38 yrs old-48 yrs old and missing out on the best years of his life.
Now would you seriously take another humans life and devastate the victim’s family, like Dan Sorensen’s parents have been devastated… just because your psychotic friend wants help?
In my opinion, you should be locked up NOW because it sounds like you are the type that will commit a crime sooner or later.
I come on here amazed at the stories and the evils people do, but every once in awhile a moron will post backing up the murderer/accomplice .. what the hell is wrong with people?
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I think that both of these KIDS are sick. And I agree that it’s probably the parents fault for not bringing them up right. I’m from NY and we got better things to do than to do crazy evil shit for fun. And for all of you defending these peices of shit- get it together! How you gonna pray for someone that doesn’t even believe in GOD? And being an atheist has everything to do with it, if you dont believe in God you dont have God to protect you when the Devil comes for you. Hence what happened in this case. Wake up people!!!
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Jason reply on March 24, 2008:
In no way does God or the Devil impinge on free will. Look carefully for chapter and verse to support what you say. Misrepresenting God, and thereby maligning God’s name, is often as big a sin as failing to acknowledge him.
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I’d like to touch on DualDenz. Really, it’s true, friendship is a bond that doesn’t break easily if it’s deep. that being said, the way we all read this shit, we probably could cover it up by knowing what not to do like braggin on the bus and shit. Come on people! If you’re going to kill someone, don’t let yourself get caught that easily.
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It’s just a shame that it takes a young man’s death to wake up some of the burbs and realize that stuff like this happens everywhere!!!
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OK… first of all, i just wanted to say that if these two do get conviced, they will be eaten alive in prison! LOOK AT THEM!! hahahaa did you see this jean pierre KID? He looks like a little bitch, and he definatey will become someones bitch soon… Karma sucker!! I also do not think Atheism has anything to do with it… Religion has no bearing on the person you are, it can only bring you so far. If religion could really save people then how do you explain all those sick priests raping little kids? Don’t get me wrong, I am a Christian but I also know plenty of “God fearing Christians” who are real pieces of shit so that means nothing… it probably is partially the parents fault but not due to religion… my heart goes out to the victims family… and a middle finger goes out to the two little bitches who are heading for a life sentence…they should just hang themselves now and do us all a favor.. stop wasting our oxygen… PS i hope the victims family members can see these two so they can get the ass whooping they deserve!!
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Quoting DualDenz: “What does that have to do with anything? i’m an atheist, but i’m sure no cold-blooded killer and have a good moral upbringing (curtousy of my also atheist mother).
“moral question here, if your best friend kills someone and asks you for help, would you do it?
i’m not sure i’d say no to be honest, friendship is one of the most important things in life for me and i can’t really answer how far i’d go in the name of friendship.”
First off, DualDenz, in answer to your question NO!! I would never help someone who killed a human being. And your not sure how far you would go in “the name of friendship,” is horrifying. If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments, Thou Shall not Kill — without any exceptions, including friendship. Unfortunately, it’s a lot of people in this world that thinks exactly like you and that’s why we have these non-feeling, anti-social, no morals, atheists, everybody’s gay, everybody’s on some type of drugs, unproductive in society zombies walking around today.
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rb reply on April 9, 2008:
Attributing anyone’s lack of a socially acceptable moral system to being an atheist is a cop out. Your statement, “If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments,” is horribly ignorant. It suggests that anyone without knowledge of the Ten Commandments is an atheist, which is absurd. There are many religions and ways of living that are highly moral outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
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anon reply on April 9, 2008:
the statement “If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments” doesn’t mean that someone who doesn’t know the Ten Commandments is an atheist, it means that because this particular person is an atheist, they may not be familiar with the Ten Commandments. Yes, there are other religions that are highly moral outside of the judeo-christian tradition; however, DuelDenz claims to be a moral atheist but then goes on to say that they would kill someone because their friend asked them to, which is immoral. This post doesn’t seem to be an attack on atheists in general, but the atheist who disagreed with sugarplum’s original comment about atheists proves to be immoral and supports sugarplum’s original statement that atheists are immoral. Dueldenz was using herself as a model of who atheists are and how they can be moral people, yet admits that he/she would commit an immoral act in the name of friendship.
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rb reply on April 10, 2008:
Formal logic says this, according to her statement:
If Not Atheist –> Then Know About 10 Commandments
If Not Know About 10 Commandments –> Then Atheist
All I did was form the contrapositive of an absolute conditional. It may not have been what she meant to say, but it is EXACTLY what she did say.
I understand the argument just fine, thanks.
rb reply on April 10, 2008:
I don’t mean to pick on anybody, and I certainly don’t want to come off as defending murder. I just don’t think it is appropriate to make gross generalizations about the public to make a point, or to imply that their particular interpretation of the Christian faith is a universal truth. As I said before (in another post), there is no way that I would help a friend in this situation, and I would personally feel responsible if I allowed something like this to happen if I had prior knowledge.
Chad reply on April 9, 2008:
“Thou Shall not Kill — without any exceptions” is bullshit. How about self defense? What about every war that’s been fought in the name of God? What about all the killing that God commands in your bible? What about the death penalty? Contradictions upon contradictions in service of a make-believe diety. Atheists make up over 10% of society and less than 2% of prison populations. That means we commit far fewer crimes than our religious counterparts. In other words, suck it.
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anon reply on April 9, 2008:
atheists commit far fewer crimes because they are a smaller part of the population. to support your argument, instead of supplying stats about the percent of society that atheists make up and the percent of prison populations the account for, how about giving the percent of Christians that commit crimes and the percent of atheists that commit crimes? That way you would be accounting for the difference in population and you would be able to report stats about Christians and Atheists on an even playing field. THEN if the percent of atheists who commit crimes is lower, you could correctly argue that atheists, as an individual population, commit far few crimes than their religious counterparts. The way your argument stands, atheists, as a minority in a larger group, account for a small portion of the crimes committed by the entire group which is to be expected because they are only a small part of a large group. Gives stats that say: of A amount of Christians in this country, B% of them commit crimes while of X amount of atheists Z% of them commit crimes. If Z% ( %of atheists committing crimes) is lower than B% (percent of Christians committing crimes) then you statement that atheists commit far fewer crimes than their religious counterparts would be true, otherwise you are just spouting off stats that don’t really support your argument.
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toxiclullaby reply on April 12, 2008:
no, sorry anon, Chad’s math is correct. by saying that atheists make up 10% of the overall population, he IS accounting for the fact there are fewer atheists. you can actually use his numbers to find the percentages you say he didn’t provide.
think about it using real numbers ~
1) there are about 300 million total people in this country. if Chad’s numbers are correct, 30 million of those are atheists.
2) about 2.5 million of all people are in prison. If Chad’s figures are correct (2% v. 98%), 50,000 of those are atheists and 2.45 million non-atheists.
Take those numbers and re-apply them to the overall population.
So we’ve got 50,000 atheists in prison out of 30 million atheists total (i.e., 0.17% of all atheists are in prison)
And we’ve got 2,450,000 non-atheists in prison out of 270 million non-atheists total (i.e., 0.91% of all non-atheists are in prison).
i’m not saying chad’s numbers are correct (i don’t know), but they do support his argument.
one thing to keep in mind, however, is that many self-described atheists become religious in prison, whether they are born-again christians or devout muslims.
it would be more telling if we had the percentages of people who were atheist at the time they committed the crime.
Amen Sugarplum! I think any “friend” that goes along and helps cover something as sick as this up deserves just as much punishment. If one of my best friends killed anyone, not only would I not help them with it but I’d turn them into the cops. How can anyone say they are raised with “morals” yet agree, without even thinking twice, about helping covering up a crime scene? That is absurd. Newsflash- Morals means knowing the difference between right and wrong. Its clearly not right to harm anyone…
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rb reply on April 9, 2008:
This, I agree with. I expect that it is morally wrong to not talk your friend out of committing murder, or at least tell authorities of his plan. I feel that in knowledge of intent constitutes at least some degree of moral culpability.
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does anyone know what are their myspace page url’s are..i was trying to look them up and couldn’t find them..
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They’re at the very bottom of the article.
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@Sugarmplum
Your statement is highly biased and quite frankly ignorant. Who says that he doesn’t know about the ten commandments? But because he is an athiest do they really hold the same sway over him as they do to you?
Take me for example, I’m an agnostic myself but I know plenty about the subject all the same.
So, I don’t wish to sound like I’m attacking you or anything, but wake up please. First off, this wasn’t mean to become a religious debate so don’t bother trying to turn it into one, secondly you’re speaking from your particular paradigm, but I’m not going to go any further with that for the sake of my laziness than saying context shapes content.
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rb reply on April 9, 2008:
zing!
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anon reply on April 9, 2008:
I agree that the ten commandments probably do not have the same sway over a religious person/christian that they do over a non-religious person but wasn’t that the point of sugarplum making that statement? The way I read it was: you may not know about the ten commandments b/c you are an atheist and it wouldn’t be important for you to learn such moral laws as thou shalt not kill b/c atheists don’t believe in God and probably aren’t concerned with what he may or may not have commanded.
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quoting Sugarplum
“…… everybody’s gay, everybody’s on some type of drugs, unproductive in society zombies walking around today”
what does gay have to do with anything? I myself am straight and a Christian but I don’t think Gay has anything to do with this and I also think that is very ignorant to think that way. I am not attacking you so don’t take it like that. I just wanted to give you some food for thought … how many violent gay men do you read about on websites like this(not including sick pedophiles who will f*** anything that hasn’t hit puberty)… EXACTLY, thanks
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that’s beyond ignorant. Hell, I’m gay and I spoke pot, but I’m not going to go kill someone. Man, that’s fucked up. It goes back to what I said about that 13 year-old about America defaulting to the racial roots. It works the same way with the homophobic way.
Ok, yeah I looked at Alex’s myspace and yeah, he looks a lil fruity, but doesn’t mean that that was the reason he killed the guy. NO, I’m NOT defending them, I’m just saying that if everyone who was gay started killing people, we’d have a HUGE problem, because there’s a lot of gay people roaming the streets.
As far as drugs being a reason, hell yeah. Drugs can and will lead people to do some crazy shit. It all falls into a category of how long and much you’ve used. Hell, I had sex with a guy while high on speed when I was younger. It makes you do crazy shit. As for if I would ever kill someone on drugs, nah. I’d want a clear mindset so that I could focus and clean my tracks.
I’m not going to kill someone and hacksaw their body into lil pieces.
Mind you, drugs do make sex a lot better sometimes, so that combo is good.
Anyways, if you’re going to say that being gay leads to murder than you’re retarded. The bad kind.
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OH MY GOODNESS!!! Everyone who has responded to my post with the exception of Brianna is illiterate. Why don’t you read my post again and stop picking out the portions you want to attack — that is, being gay and an atheist. That’s not what I was saying!! I’m talking about society as a whole. I never once said in my post that gays were murderers. It’s ironic, though, that those two things, being gay and an atheist, were defended. All you did was solidified what I’m talking about. No one ever want to make it a religious issue. But let me tell you something, 20 years ago when parents were spending quality time with their kids, going to church, were taught integrity and morals, you may have had a few bad apples, but the majority of people were good people. Not anymore. We have, like I said before, a bunch of zombies walking around. They have no direction, no jobs, quitting school, everybody has ADHD, everyone is Bipolar, on some sort of drugs to be able to “cope” with everyday life. Taking vicodin, oxycotin, marijuana, heorin, freak’in cough syrup — anything. And these are your young people. Why!!! No, I’m far from ignorant. People just don’t like to hear the truth when it’s told. Oh, yeah, and back to the gay issue. It is a problem when at my daughter’s high school everybody is claiming to be homosexuals or a lesbians — at 15 years old! So, yes, again, no direction at home. I’m not trying to offend anybody. I’m just stating the facts. Oh, and by the way I might as well add this in too — this epidemic is not limited to any one race.
Again, my two cents worth.
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all i know is right now they’re both getting their smooth, virgin, tight, young, teenage boybutts plugged reeeeal good!!! and i’m sure their dance cards get filled EVERY night!
(hey no cuttin in line Bubba - it’s MY turn next!)
right about now dem boys gotta be wishin they’d thought this thru just a little better.
(gawd, that’s gotta hurt!!!)
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Come on now. These two boys did the worst thing possible. MURDER. “Whether they did it alone or just helped put the body into a truck.” This Man DAN did not deserve such an awful way to die. Taking a life is not right! any way you look At it. They are both going to have to PAY and thats a fact.Atheist or Catholic they will pay for there crime either now or later. So sad to see young men with such great possibilities throw there lives away like this!
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you don’t personally know either of these boys, and what they did was wrong, horribly wrong, but let them get their day in court before you string them up. I know JP Orlewicz, and he is a nice guy. He is assumed to have committed murder, but i will not say anything bad about them until justice is served. I had hoped others would do the same, but i guess everyone is too much of an asshole.
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Ok How in the heck did JP do this on his own. Daniel was a big guy and worked as a bouncer. Lil ole JP had help thats how. I believe Alex had more to do with this thing than being a bystander. And WAKE UP Mr. & Mrs. L. your son is no angel.
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Dude.
Alex isn’t capable of this. From what I hear, he was threatened by JP, and for the record…
If someone with a head in a tupperwear container tells me “Help me move the stiff or I’ll kill you” I’m fuckin’ helping them.
JP is a little shit and deserves whatever he gets, Alex is just caught in the middle of this and I can’t stand the media calling him a cold-blooded bastard. He was a great guy and would never do this.
So Anon, burn in hell you slimy sack of shit.
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this site first of all is a giant pile of shit. fuck you if you think you know these people’s hearts. you don’t know crap about who is going to hell and who isn’t. you know NOTHING about this story, so stop posting shit you don’t know anything about.
alex is a great guy, and if you did know anything, you’d know that alex would NEVER do this in free will.
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anon reply on April 9, 2008:
Alex testified today that he did help jp of his own freewill, so perhaps you should ask yourself if you really know his heart. If he is a “great guy”, would he have really helped to do all of the horrible things that he admitted to doing today? He is no longer under the control of JP and has the freedom to tell the truth about what happened yet he didn’t blame everything on JP, he admitted that he had a part in committing the crime. If you think “Alex is a great guy” and “would never do this in his free will,” then “you know Nothing about this story, so stop posting shit you don’t know anything about.”
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We’re discussing two “kids”, depending on how you want to view them, who have not yet been convicted by a jury. Yes, the evidence against them is not in their favor, and it doesn’t look good for them. Am I the only person who truly hopes they ARE innocent? The chances–unlikely, but still…We have to give them their “innocent until proven guilty moment.” Secondly, could we not attack their friends who are here defending them? Imagine if your family or friend was accused of something like this. No matter how sick the accusation, it would be difficult to turn on them immediately or accept what people are saying about them, even if it was true. Thirdly, those of you who are hoping to see these young men raped, beaten or tortured? You are exactly the type of people who would cover a garage with a tarp and hack someone up “just for the hell of it”. You deserve to be in hell just as much as them.
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wow, i can’t believe i missed all the other replies, good things there was an update :)
@sugarplum.
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First off, DualDenz, in answer to your question NO!! I would never help someone who killed a human being. And your not sure how far you would go in “the name of friendship,†is horrifying. If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments, Thou Shall not Kill — without any exceptions, including friendship. Unfortunately, it’s a lot of people in this world that thinks exactly like you and that’s why we have these non-feeling, anti-social, no morals, atheists, everybody’s gay, everybody’s on some type of drugs, unproductive in society zombies walking around today.
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Sweet mother of god, i’ve never before seen a piece of my text taken so badly out of context and sprinkled with the gross bigotry you’re displaying here.
1: mine was a moral QUESTION, how far would you go in the name of friendship? you know what? none of my friends are likely to ever kill anyone, so i wont ever be in that situation. you know why that is? because all of my friends share my basic understanding of right and wrong.
2: for the record, i’m from a religious background and have read large parts of the bible, i’m quite familliar with the ten commandments.
3: so many people like me?
non-feeling? derrived from my posts here? oh please.
anti-social? i’ve been told one of my major faults is actually being too social and not taking care of number one first. Hillarious i must admit :)
no morals? HA! i know right from wrong quite well (that’s not to say i never do anything wrong, i’m only human).
atheist? come on, you can do better then that can’t you? so that would mean that anyone who doesn’t believe in god is a bad person?
everybdoy’s gay? i’m straight actually, but have no problem with gays.
evertbody’s on some kind of drugs. Ouch, you got me there, i smoke pot *oops* (oh btw, that’s quite legal here).
unproductive in society zombies walking around today. I work 40 hours a week, doing IT for a major construction company here in Holland. i’d say i’m quite productive to be honest. but hey, year review is coming up, i’ll come back to this on when i’ve received mine and will let you know what my boss thinks about my productivity.
Now don’t say i’m only taking out the bits i want to respond too, i quoted the whole thing and answered every piece of it.
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Bottom line: these boys are in serious trouble. No argument.
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Everyone has this story ALL wrong.
& condiering theres a gag order none of you stupid fucks should be talking about it. I am friends with alex’s girlfriend and his friends Jess and Sean. All of you are WRONG. Alex knew JP was going to kill Dan, so he agreed he’d just help drive and move it because he owed JP $100 and JP said that he’d forget about it if he helped him. Then lured dan into the garage and JP slit Dan’s throat when dan asked “why?” JP just answered “Just let it take over” You can read parts of Alex’s statement and izzy’s testimony stating that it was JP who admitted to the stabbing and beheading. Alex was in the garage when it all occured but he did not watch or take part of any mutilation. Alex is a good person, so all you can fuck off and get your shit straight!
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YEAH & JP HAD A HANDGUN WHICH IS ALSO A FACT YOU IDIOTS NEED TO HAVE RELIABLE SOURCES CAUSE THESE STORIES ARE UNSENSIBLE AND RIDICULOUS! JP also knew where Alex lived, if a person is capable of destorying a person like then, then you know if you were in the situation you’d listen and do what your told. Alex was in shock, I’d do the same for my own safety and my friends and family. All of you are human too, think like one!
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Kenda reply on April 8, 2008:
First of to “Wow your all stupid”. Shut the fuck up. Who are you to tell everyone else that Alex is a good person? What good person would assist a murderer to dispose of a body? Burn a body? I know that a “GOOD” person would have NOT BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Now if he didnt help him murder the person fine, he still deserves a punishment. If children like this were taught at a young age what should happen to people that do these things they would have thought twice about it. Bring back the lynch in Town Square and forget about all the wasted time and money on this bulshit self defense hang the little abomination (JP). Better yet his mom should have used a coat hanger when she found out she was pregnant. I strongly stand in favor of the death sentance for any sick bastards like this.
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Let me make sure I understand you “wow”. Alex knew that JP was planning on committing a murder, agreed to go with him, helped dispose of “it”, accepted credit for a debt of 100 whole dollars as payment for his trouble and I’m supposed to believe that he is a “good guy” and simply “caught in the middle”? I’m having a hard time with that. You see, where I’m from “good guys” generally tend to try and prevent this sort of situation rather than aid and abet a crime. I get that he may have been scared, but are you seriously telling us that there was no way he could have gotten away for 30 seconds to alert law enforcement or warn Dan what was about to go down? I just can’t buy that and if the case makes it in front of a jury, I’m pretty sure they won’t buy it either. Also, as a sidebar, gag orders only apply to the trial participants and not the public at large with no affiliation with the case.
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Wow what a pair of winners. I am sure they had no problem getting dates to the school prom. Any parent would be proud to have their daughters bring home one of these fine upstanding young men. Myself, I would get the creeps just looking at them if I sat beside them in a bus. Jean Pierre photo makes him look like a stoner (maybe he was under the influence) when he committed the crime. Alexander James, on the other hand, has a smirk on his face that just begs to be wiped off.
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wow. These two guys are capable for killing someone? Oh boy now Ive seen everything
lol
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People get Atheism mixed up with Satan worship. Being an atheist does not mean you want to hurt people. And if you think that. you are whats wrong with this country. Religious ignorance and intolerance. Stop being so closed minded about religion.
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if anyone has ever even spoken to alex once knows that he wouldent hurt a fly. alex was the most peaceful kid i knew and he would never do this. the word “hate” never has came out of this kids mouth.
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I work with the victims Mom and have to say that I am disappointed at the lack of sensitivity. I can’t even imagine going through this, and the focus should be on them finding peace in the mist of their pain and hope in their sorrow and loss not reading the opinions of people who have no clue what really happened. Only God knows the truth and I hope that justice is served on behalf of Daniel Sorenson and his family! Whatever your beliefs are just know that the victims family is listening and watching so be careful and thoughtful in what you say. If you were in their shoes what would you want to read and hear about?
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Everything that Hopps said is true, you are all debating about a pile of steaming horseshit on this forum. The fact of the matter is, when I heard this story, I prayed for justice of the victim’s family. There is no way in hell these kids are not going to feel this, no jury in the world would not convict these fucks, especially from everything that is being said by people who supposedly know them. Everything, that is being said, makes them look more incriminating. It doesn’t matter if you personally liked these kids, your opinion is not worth an innocent life. And many of you will argue that one of the accused is actually innocent themselves. Well, all I can say is, someone in this case is going to end up with a herpeAIDS cock tearing up their butthole resulting in a grusome semen filled death in a cold sterile environment, and it’s going to be tht JP kid.
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…and possibly that Alex kid.
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Someone please help me out here. Are the pics in the article the perps mugshots for THIS crime?
If so, please take a look at the expressions on both of the boy’s faces. Are these the expressions you’d expect from someone who just murdered someone and inconveniently got caught? Or, who might have done it, but it was a misunderstanding or an accident?
Do the pics look like mugshots of kids who have unjustly been arrested for a brutal murder, but are innocent and don’t understand why they’re having their pic taken? If only one of the boys is innocent, and the other was a mean old bully who just forced the other to watch the murder, can you see by expression which kid is guilty and which is innocent?
I have said it before- take a good look into the accused’s eyes. Examine the expression on their face. There’s more info there than you’d imagine if you take the time to look for it.
I’ve noticed that this case, like many others, posts the pics of the alleged perps on the same page, but not very often of the victim. I would rather remember the different cases by my memory of the victim’s pic than that of the POS that has killed them. The victim needs to be remembered, not the perp.
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Forgot to say-
while it’s obvious that both of these kids are higher than a kite, once you realize that, you can overlook it and get to the real expressions behind their shit-faced looks.
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I can see a teenager going for a thrill kill just from reading some of the (pro killer/accomplice) posts posted by other fucking teens. Ever thought of killing yourselves? Fucking scums.
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Did any of you see the live preliminary on the web, It was broadcast live.There were 2 witnesses that identified the two being there in the store, (ACO hardware) a few days before the murder. Letkemann looking at hacksaws,in the tool aisle,was identified by the store manager and JP buying Drano, then coming back a few hours later getting more drano (seen by the store cashier)They used Drano to clean up the blood.This proves pre meditation.
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drano takes out blood? hmm that must’ve been researched.
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Alright, Y’all don’t know shit, I know Alex first hand, we were together damn near close to a year, his parents, Pete and Diane know that Alex is no angel, but then again who is? But they do know, as well of the rest of Alex’s friends, that he is a wonderful person, no violent tendencies what so ever, if we got into an argument, it was because of me and he wouldn’t even raise his voice to me, and when it comes to JP I knew him, we all did, but not well, he’d only been around for the past few months, so anyone who thinks that JP and Alex were best friends or some shit like that are completely WRONG! They hardly even spoke to eachother. JP did have some problems, I can’t go into because like I said I didn’t know him that well, but Alex… wow where do I even start? He’s one of the best people I know, he’d go out of his way to help someone with the littlist issue, cutting grass for Sean’s mom because they don’t own a lawn mower in 90 degree whether, spending his last dime on gas to take me home(I live about 20 miles away from all of my friends) and just always there to help, and his parents did raise him up christian, he went to church every sunday and went on retreats with kids his age when he was younger, but as he got older and became more knowledgeable he realized that it was all hypocricy. So don’t be talkin shit when you don’t know a damn thing about whats going on and what kind of person Alex truly is.
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so yet another Christian innocently blamed…oh wait he woke up from Christianity. So it’s just another good guy who would do no harm with no violent tendencies at the wrong place at the wrong time. hmmm interesting.
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He sounds like a great guy who would do anything for anyone. Very giving.
The kind of guy who would give you the shirt off your back, or help you dispose of a corpse.
Funny how so many xians are accused/convicted and go to jail for crimes they are innocent of. IYKWIM. The way I see it, it saves them the trouble of having to convert when their parole hearings come up.
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ok you’ve said IYKWIM a few times what does that mean?
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anon reply on April 9, 2008:
perhaps: if you know what i mean
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Ok folks!!!
The trial will start on April 7, 2008
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I’m not saying he’s innocently being blamed, I’m just clarifying the whole religion issuse. Also, nobody took JP seriously, so yes Alex was there, he’s admitted that, but I bet my life that Alex didn’t believe that JP was actually going to go through with it, for starters compare JP’s size to Dan, and no one ever saw JP show his physical strength, so just by looks, it doesn’t seem possible, obviously it was, but at first glance..? and then there’s the whole not knowing that JP has no morals, I can’t say that as a fact, it’s not like I did a psycoanalist on him, but to do that, and then look at him in court with out the tiniest shred of remorse on his face, seems to me that he doesn’t
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Sarah reply on May 25, 2008:
Katie, I just want to say that I believe you and I believe Alex. I watched him testify and I do not believe he believed JP was actually going to go through with it. JP had said he was going to kill someone to many people (alex mullins, levi webb, sean, Izzy Ayyash, letkemann) and nobody seemed to believe him.
Even JP’s own testimony expunged Alex of participating in any of the killing or dismemberment.. JP said that Alex just “stood there like a deer in the headlights” and that Alex was “shocked” –even though JP claimed self-defense, I still believe that part of his testimony.
I think that Alex Letkemann should get some punishment but 20-30 years in prison is quite harsh, as I truly do NOT believe that he is a danger to society, nor do I believe the he truly believed JP was serious, ..plus, even by JP’s own admission— Alex never took part in ANY of the mutilation/murder.
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laurinshea reply on June 24, 2008:
Sarah, but he did (admittedly), take part in the premeditation of murder as well as concealing evidence. He went to a store, helped pick out “murder weapons”, and still went ahead to the home of “JP”. 20-30 years, in my own opinion, is not “quite harsh.” I’m sure that he knew what the consequences for his actions were, and he obviously willingly accepted them when he agreed to “help” his friend commit murder.
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Brittany- sorry. Once again I just assumed everybody knew the shorthand.
So- IYKWIM is short for ‘If you know what I mean’. And though you did not ask, I should probably say that on the thread of the old guy who shot 2 ‘robbers’ in the back, when I call him ‘Mr. SFAQL’ it means ‘Shoot first, ask questions later’. Sorry for the confusion.
As far as these 2 POS- I don’t really care if the ‘wingman’ didn’t attack and kill the guy himself…. the fact that he willingly participated in bagging up and disposing of someone’s body is really no lesser offence. I mean, really. If your new BFF asked you to physically pick up and dispose of a human body that had been butchered, torched, decapitated, etc., how many of you would say- um, no thanks. I need to wash my cat.
At a certain point there is no difference to the degree of involvement in murders. Oh, well yeah, I raped her, but I didn’t stab her, but I helped bury her…..
Puhleeese.
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Sorry to say , even though Alex didn’t commit the actual murder,He was there and helped with the clean up and disposal of the body. He will unfortunately get the same sentence as JP.Also, He was seen by the store manager At ACO hardware looking at hacksaws before the murder, This will not help his case, as it will look like premeditation to a jury.
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Glorybug, the average online junkie would know the ’shorthand’ that is univesally used, like WTF?, LOL, IKD, BRB, etc. The ones you mentioned seem to be nothing more than you being a smartass.
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at least she’s more litterate then most of the people who write on here whether it’s short hand or not.
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I like that GloryBug is a smartass. hahahahha. She cracks me up. AND literate. Makes for pretty interesting reading if you ask me. I get a big kick out of reading these posts. And the people that defend idiots like these two…well, can’t say much to them except WAKE THE HELL UP!!!
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huh? kim, what do these two idiots have anything to do with what we’re discussing here?
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correction: IKD = IDK
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i knew sorenson, talked to him on a fairly regular basis too (monthy). im glad these two POSes get what they deserve.. too bad executions are illegal in michigan
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Yeah, this article is really inaccurate. Alex wasn’t even there for the killing. He showed up later. The reason he “cracked” for the police was because his sentence should have been much less than that of Jean’s.
Yes, I know this because I went to school with Alex and I knew him really well. I also knew his family and they were all good people. Alex would never kill anybody. He would never even help anyone kill somebody. Jean was the psychopath, and he only called Alex over (who had no idea what he was about to get involved with) so that he had a pal to accompany his cowardly ass to prison.
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“Newsflash- Morals means knowing the difference between right and wrong. Its clearly not right to harm anyone…”
Good thing you weren’t in charge of the Normandy Invasion. Pretty sure asking the Germans over for tea and crumpets was a lost cause.
Once you reach a 5 or 6 in Kohlberg’s Moral Hierarchy, there is no such thing as a moral absolute.
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Harpy Lady reply on April 9, 2008:
“Good thing you weren’t in charge of the Normandy Invasion. Pretty sure asking the Germans over for tea and crumpets was a lost cause.”
Thank you for making my morning so much brighter. I haven’t laughed that hard in awhile. =)
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Hmmm
Loooks like alex has pleaded GUILTY to 2nd degree murder.This will only save his butt for a few years, you all see …he was more involved than we all thought.He will be an old man when he sees the light of day again
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I say these guys deserve Hell…….On EARTH!
More specifically I cant wait for JP to get the Shit raped out of his ass in prison.If here my cellmate I would fuck him till he started shitting blood.
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This trial is being live streamed on the net and played on a cable channel. It’s so sick and depraved, I can’t believe I am watching this.
And Jean-Pierre looks so clean cut & innocent, .. What a sick, twisted POS.
I hope he gets life in prison w/no parole. If a lot of serial killers start off by killing animals as teens…. Can we safely assume that someone who plans a murder, mutilates the body and then dumps the body parts in two separate locations is a very dangerous person to have back out on the streets at ANY point?
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Anton reply on April 8, 2008:
You’re right Allie, JP DOES look pretty innocent and babyfaced. What I hope & pray is that JP in particular will Not be elligible for protective custody. I think that a lifetime of assrape is a much more fitting punishment for JP than death row. I mean seriously-he’s Gonna get RAPED! There’s no doubt about it! =)
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God doesn’t care about the man with the sawed-off head. I mean, he was watching and didn’t stop it. To me, silence is approbation and goddammit, God was silent in both action and sentiment, so he obviously didn’t mind. Why should you?
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I’ve been listening to the testemoney durring the trial and these guys are sick! I say execute Jean Pierre and life for Alexander
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Anton reply on April 9, 2008:
Why not make them Bubba’s Bitches? Wouldnt that be a Much Worse punishment than exectution? WHY am I the only one who thought of this??
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Isn’t this a hate crime? Two Jews killing a goy? If it was two goys killing a Jew, you know it would be called a hate crime.
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Isn’t this a hate crime? Two Jews killing a goy?
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Ha, ha wait til the niggers get a hold of these two jewboys.
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Since when is JP Orlewicz a JEW? You people do realize thats a POLISH Surname and not a jewish surname.
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I’ve learned so much from this site. For example, I’m learned that almost every time, innocent people get charged for crimes they couldn’t have committed.
And, while the proof of their innocence never seems to surface, they do all seem to have the temdency to plead guilty to the crimes they aren’t guilty of, and to provide really graphic details of how they ‘didn’t’ do it.
It makes me sad that we’re sending so many innocent murderers and child-abusers to prison. We really should let them all go and incarcerate all those nasty pot-smokers who are really causing all the damage in our society.
See? I’ve learned so much already!
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Seth- thanks for that comment. I was also under the impression that the ‘icz’ was most likely Polish. No doubt there are plenty of Polish-haters, too. I’m no genealogy psychic, but I’d assume a surname ending in ’son’ is some sort of Scandinavian name?
So it could have been that a Jewish person and a Polish person killed a Scandinavian person. But I could be wrong, and they could be adopted. So we should probably stick with something more scientific, by just guessing their nationality by their looks.
I’m not too keen on all the ‘hate crime’ shit. Seems to me it’s pretty hateful killing anyone. And if those are going to fly, then every time a man kills a woman- especially if he’s killed or attacked one before- slap another 50 years on him- it’s a hate crime!
Two people who commit the same crime should get the same sentence, no matter if they had a person gripe against some group the victim belonged to. One victims’ death isn’t more valuable just because they were hated more, is it? Just make all the sentences longer- or shorter… as in the DP.
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Only in America …
You, lucky people! Being the nursery to such deviant morons. How does that feel ?
I’ll tell you how it makes me feel. I feel like on these cold winter nights when blizzard’s hitting outside, and I cuddle under my blanket thinking how lucky I am not to be out in the cold.
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Dr Who : I believe the plural of “goy” is “goyim”.
Anyway.
Speaking of “Jews, Polish, and other related hatred issues”. I’m surprised nobody has yet caught on the fact that “Jean Pierre” is a French name.
Hell and damnation ! French, you said ??!? . God damn those friggin stinky cheese-eating surrender monkeys who hate America. Surely JP’s mum didn’t shave her armpits, which messed up the kid’s brains. He should get capital pun just for being French.
Wait a minute… Jew, you said ?!!?? French AND Jewish !??! Oh Lord, he wouldn’t be gay by any chance ? He must be, as all these french pansies are. That’s why we saved their dirty asses back in ‘44.
KILL HIM !! No need for a trial !!
… I’m surprised nobody caught on that. Such a sweet old American classic…
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wish we could watch them fry
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Can you only be convicted of a hate crime if your white? All the cases I’ve heard of involve the attackers being white, has anyone heard of a case where the attacker was a different race and was convicted of a hate crime.
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I think Alex had way more to do with this than he has testified to. He has turned on his friend and is trying to save his own a$$. Fact remains: no one will ever know what TRULY happened except the 3 people there that day. How do we know that Dan didnt figure out what they were thinking of doing, got pissed and it DID end up being self defense. I think that Alex knew there was no chance of anyone believing it and decided that its every man for himself. He just flipped first and left J.P hanging. Not saying it wasnt WRONG. Just saying there is more that we will never know, regardless of evidence, good investigation, etc.
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This is the problem I have with all this. I’ve looked at Alex’s myspace page and I see a completely different person than the picture at the top of this page or in trial. He was the cool hippy kid that tried to be different and this is what he became. There is now a blank absence in his eyes that makes me know that they’ve seen something grim and something died in him. Whether or not he brutally killed a man, I don’t know, but something changed in him!!! You can tell from the old pictures of him.
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