Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz
They certainly weren’t the first.
For example:
On the 21st of May, 1924, University students Leopold and Loeb murdered 14-year-old Bobby Franks for the hell of it. They were both imprisoned for life.
On the 12th of February, 1993, Robert Thompson and Jon Venables killed toddler James Bulger. For this they were each given a ten year prison sentence.
In March of 1994, Lawrence Colwell Jr. strangled an elderly tourist in Las Vegas, Nevada and was eventually executed.
On the 27th of May, 1996, Tony Amati, Edward James and Troy Sampson murdered three people in Las Vegas.
On the 19th of April, 1997, for a thrill, 18-year-old Thomas Koskovich and 17-year-old Jayson Vreeland lured pizza delivery personnel, Jeremy Giordano and Giorgio Gallara, to a remote area to murder them.
In 1999, Alfred Brissette and Marc Girard, of Woonsocket, Rhode Island conspired to kill a 30-year-old woman to “see what it would be like.”
And, as time marches on and both Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz fade into obscurity and become footnotes themselves, they won’t be the last murdering bastards to kill for the fun of it.
In the meantime, Jean Pierre Orlewicz and Alexander Letkemann will enjoy their day in the sun for what they did.
There might have been a few reasons for someone to kill 26-year-old Daniel Sorenson. He was a registered sex offender in both Michigan and Illinois, and he made it a habit to owe people money. Now you might say, “Hey, he was a registered sex offender! String him up!” but Sorenson really didn’t do much to get on that registry, unless you count having a 14-year-old girlfriend when you’re 17 as a major crime.
Of course, Alexander and Jean Pierre didn’t plan their killing because of Daniel Sorenson’s history. They didn’t do it because he owed Orlewicz $400. No, Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz spread a tarp on the floor of a garage owned by Orlewicz’s grandfather and collected the tools required to brutally murder someone just for the hell of it.
With a quick call and an invitation for Daniel Sorenson to come over, their trap was set.
The plan was actually a pretty good one, really. I mean in the cold-blooded murder plan sense.
As Daniel Sorenson walked through the door to the garage, Jean Pierre Orlewicz began stabbing him in the back, over and over. As Daniel collapsed to the ground, Letkemann closed the door in order to keep the sound of a man noisily dying from alerting anyone.
As Daniel’s life bled out all over the tarp, JP Orlewicz grabbed a handy hacksaw and went to work, sawing through Daniel’s neck and removing his head. That done, the pair applied a blowtorch to Daniel’s hands and feet in an attempt to eliminate the chance police would be able to find out who the corpse was through the use of fingerprints.
Wrapping the body up in the tarp, Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz put the grisly package into the back of a pickup truck and drove off.
Daniel Sorenson’s body was dumped on the ground and set on fire at a construction site located on a cul-de-sac.
His head was dropped into a local river.
Daniel’s torso was found by a utility crew the next day and for a little while at least, the authorities were stumped. There isn’t much evidence you can get from a soggy head.
The perfect crime, it would seem.
And if Daniel Sorenson hadn’t told friends that the pair had invited him over to see them, they might have gotten away with it too.
Too bad for them that he did, I suppose.
The trail led directly to Jean Pierre’s house, where the knife Jean Pierre used on Daniel’s back was found. Both Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz were arrested and interrogated
Alexander Letkemann broke first, told the authorities where Daniel’s head could be found, and it was all over.
Alexander Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz have both been charged with first-degree premeditated murder, felony murder and mutilation of a corpse. For the benefit of those of you in the stands, that’s a mandatory life sentence, a mandatory life sentence and a possible 10 years.
For those of you who like this kind of thing, here’s Alexander Letkemann’s MySpace page, and here’s Jean Pierre Orlewicz’s MySpace page.
Do Alexander James Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz deserve Hell?
- Yes (80.0%, 1,734 Votes)
- No (20.0%, 444 Votes)
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alex is 18, not 17.
Um…JP’s really hot.
Um…so is hell you insensitive bitch.
Ok listen you little faggots, for one., I’m not a whore :P
and 2, Jean’s not a “cold blooded killer”, you don’t know him, I do, he was my brothers friend forever, so stfu becus you can all go to Hell.
There’s obviously something wrong with you if you think a cold blooded killer is hot maybe you should talk to someone!
So sh’s mostlikely incredibly fat and has a face full of zits and can’t find anything else to crawl up between her fat smelly legs.
your a stupid whore
I think Amanda needs to find herself some better friends…..
my gut feeling after watching this trial for two days is that it is ‘NOT A TEEN THRILL KILL’ and now i will explain my opinion.the size and age difference between dan and jp,what is a heavy an dbig, strong bouncer doing hanging around with teenagers waving a gun in their face to extort money supposed to mean? dan was a sex offendor ,proven once by law,so was he only a sex offendor for girls only or for the handsome jp as well? i think th eboys and girls have to all be re-questioned in private by experts to find the basis of th eanger and hatred in jp.
too bad they didn’t invite you over.
Copy that. Changed, and thank you.
I don’t mean to be rude, but my friend is friends with Alex, and my boyfriend was best friends with him for five years (although has not talked to him in a litle over a year), and JP went to my school. ALthough the news has some of it correct, a lot of it as been exaggerated.
JP did all of the killing. He was alone when he lured Daniel into the garage, alone when he killed him, and then called Alex for help when his puny ass couldn’t move the body.
Do I think it’s wrong? Yeah.
Regardless of how good of friends I was with a person, I wouldn’t help them move a friggin body.
But anyways, it just bugs me how much the media is making Alex sound as morbid as JP. My friend rode JP’s bus the morning he got arrested, and he was bragging about killing the guy.
Sorry but I am watching the trial right now & Alex is testifying to something totally different. He was there when the murder occurred.
And Alex knew it was planned for that day, he agreed to help JP because he owed JP $100 — and JP offered up a way to expunge the debt by helping him w/the murder and dispose of the body.
I am hearing it from the horses mouth right now, so give it up!
2nd that!!!
You’re right dear – Alex is just JP’s goofy idiot murdering sidekick – I am sure he is a really swell kid -
who ever the hell you r need to shut your fucking mouth before I find you and shut it for you and your friend who rode his bus!
Hey toughguy, have you seen this bit of video?
http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/15903586/index.html
Seems like JP lost HIS voice recently..
What are you f*cking stupid? You’re so full of yourself. Keep telling yourself that Alex is innocent. He did bad sh*t. And if he had any intelligent mind in him, he would have reported JP to the police. No matter how many times you tell yourself that Alex is innocent. He isn’t. So stop fooling yourself and acting like a stupid kid and think for yourself you tool.
I’m sorry Amanda, you seem to have me confused with someone who gives a crap. Even if what you say is true, he still willing became an accomplice to murder by helping dispose of the body and not reporting it to the police.
And if the media is right, well then he helped kill and that’s even worse. Granted, I’ll admit the media tends to blow things out of proportion for shock value and ratings, but also those whom are connected to events in any way tend to tell things from a very biased point of view, so the two sorta cancel each other out in the end there.
Not to mention, to be perfectly honest I really don’t know who you are, you could be anyone claiming to have known the people involved, you could even be my next door neighbor for all I know, so I’m more inclined to believe the media, sorry that’s just the way it is.
If you read their myspace pages, they both claim to be atheists. As far as I’m concerned, it’s the parents fault, too. No solid social and moral upbringing at all. And living in a nice neighborhood and having material things don’t count as a “good upbringing.” These parents need to pay more attention to their kids’ lives and get involved — I don’t mean taking them to their soccer and football practice.
Just my two cents.
Riiiiight. It’s because they’re atheists. Nevermind the woman who dismembered her children because god told her to. Or the other woman who drowned all 5 of her children (each with bible-themed names) because god told her to. No, religious people never do bad things. Ass-rape me on the altar if I’m lyin’. Atheists commit BY FAR less crimes inproportion to their total population than Christians do. So you can drop that moral high horse crap right now. The numbers don’t agree.
No, never do? If you want to sound credible or intelligent you missed it buddy. I don’t agree with bible thumpers or atheists. But if you want to make a point you need to at least be able to correctly use the english language!!!
Yeah, because every child that is brought up well by the parents turns out perfect! HOW STUPID!!!! To blame the parents is such a cop out! Kids need to own what they have done. IT IS NOT THE PARENTS FAULT. It sounds like you don’t have kids, but if you do, you should know that even when they are very young, they don’t do what you want them to. You can’t make their decisions for them, you raise them the best that you know how, and hope they will make wise decisions.
I second this!!!! Well said, SP.
Dude I knew Alex and JP. And I am still unsure weather they did it or not. But on FOX 2 NEWS ((tonight)) there was something about a bunch of friends of mine…Murder House Records.. and I would just like to know how the hell can they even attempt to blame it on music? This is all just very stressful for me and i think alot of what the news has said is a bunch of bullshit and lies.
Well the fact that it’s FOX news should be a clue right there…
quoting sugarplum
“If you read their myspace pages, they both claim to be atheists.”
What does that have to do with anything? i’m an atheist, but i’m sure no cold-blooded killer and have a good moral upbringing (curtousy of my also atheist mother).
moral question here, if your best friend kills someone and asks you for help, would you do it?
i’m not sure i’d say no to be honest, friendship is one of the most important things in life for me and i can’t really answer how far i’d go in the name of friendship. if only JP did the killing, i’d say he deserves a life sentence (or even the death penalty if you ask me). If all Alex did was help his friend, he still deserves jailtime in my humble opinion, but not a long sentence.
Ok so let me get this straight, you have a moral upbringing and your consider yourself to have good morals yet you would possibly help your best friend kill someone because they are your best friend. I think that makes you immoral and the fact that you claim to be moral despite being atheist is not supported by the fact that you said you would possibly help your best friend take someone else’s life, or help them after they had taken someone’s life. Perhaps you can clarify how you are still a moral person even though you admit that you would at least be an accomplice to murder because your post actually supports sugarplum’s statements that atheists are immoral.
Furthermore, the reason Alex should get a long sentence even “if all alex did was help a friend” is because he could have saved the life of the person his friend was trying to kill AND he could have saved his friend from life in prison or the death penalty by preventing him from taking someone else’s life.
DuelDenz,
You are an idiot! You have a good moral upbringing and think you are a moral person yet you would help your best friend kill someone just because they are your friend?
Are you kidding me?
What type of person would even think about helping someone else murder someone?
Letkemann is going to PRISON– maximum security prison for at least 20 years.. maybe up to 30 yrs. He will be 38 yrs old-48 yrs old and missing out on the best years of his life.
Now would you seriously take another humans life and devastate the victim’s family, like Dan Sorensen’s parents have been devastated… just because your psychotic friend wants help?
In my opinion, you should be locked up NOW because it sounds like you are the type that will commit a crime sooner or later.
I come on here amazed at the stories and the evils people do, but every once in awhile a moron will post backing up the murderer/accomplice .. what the hell is wrong with people?
I think that both of these KIDS are sick. And I agree that it’s probably the parents fault for not bringing them up right. I’m from NY and we got better things to do than to do crazy evil shit for fun. And for all of you defending these peices of shit- get it together! How you gonna pray for someone that doesn’t even believe in GOD? And being an atheist has everything to do with it, if you dont believe in God you dont have God to protect you when the Devil comes for you. Hence what happened in this case. Wake up people!!!
In no way does God or the Devil impinge on free will. Look carefully for chapter and verse to support what you say. Misrepresenting God, and thereby maligning God’s name, is often as big a sin as failing to acknowledge him.
I’d like to touch on DualDenz. Really, it’s true, friendship is a bond that doesn’t break easily if it’s deep. that being said, the way we all read this shit, we probably could cover it up by knowing what not to do like braggin on the bus and shit. Come on people! If you’re going to kill someone, don’t let yourself get caught that easily.
It’s just a shame that it takes a young man’s death to wake up some of the burbs and realize that stuff like this happens everywhere!!!
OK… first of all, i just wanted to say that if these two do get conviced, they will be eaten alive in prison! LOOK AT THEM!! hahahaa did you see this jean pierre KID? He looks like a little bitch, and he definatey will become someones bitch soon… Karma sucker!! I also do not think Atheism has anything to do with it… Religion has no bearing on the person you are, it can only bring you so far. If religion could really save people then how do you explain all those sick priests raping little kids? Don’t get me wrong, I am a Christian but I also know plenty of “God fearing Christians” who are real pieces of shit so that means nothing… it probably is partially the parents fault but not due to religion… my heart goes out to the victims family… and a middle finger goes out to the two little bitches who are heading for a life sentence…they should just hang themselves now and do us all a favor.. stop wasting our oxygen… PS i hope the victims family members can see these two so they can get the ass whooping they deserve!!
Quoting DualDenz: “What does that have to do with anything? i’m an atheist, but i’m sure no cold-blooded killer and have a good moral upbringing (curtousy of my also atheist mother).
“moral question here, if your best friend kills someone and asks you for help, would you do it?
i’m not sure i’d say no to be honest, friendship is one of the most important things in life for me and i can’t really answer how far i’d go in the name of friendship.”
First off, DualDenz, in answer to your question NO!! I would never help someone who killed a human being. And your not sure how far you would go in “the name of friendship,” is horrifying. If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments, Thou Shall not Kill — without any exceptions, including friendship. Unfortunately, it’s a lot of people in this world that thinks exactly like you and that’s why we have these non-feeling, anti-social, no morals, atheists, everybody’s gay, everybody’s on some type of drugs, unproductive in society zombies walking around today.
Attributing anyone’s lack of a socially acceptable moral system to being an atheist is a cop out. Your statement, “If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments,” is horribly ignorant. It suggests that anyone without knowledge of the Ten Commandments is an atheist, which is absurd. There are many religions and ways of living that are highly moral outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
the statement “If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments” doesn’t mean that someone who doesn’t know the Ten Commandments is an atheist, it means that because this particular person is an atheist, they may not be familiar with the Ten Commandments. Yes, there are other religions that are highly moral outside of the judeo-christian tradition; however, DuelDenz claims to be a moral atheist but then goes on to say that they would kill someone because their friend asked them to, which is immoral. This post doesn’t seem to be an attack on atheists in general, but the atheist who disagreed with sugarplum’s original comment about atheists proves to be immoral and supports sugarplum’s original statement that atheists are immoral. Dueldenz was using herself as a model of who atheists are and how they can be moral people, yet admits that he/she would commit an immoral act in the name of friendship.
Formal logic says this, according to her statement:
If Not Atheist –> Then Know About 10 Commandments
If Not Know About 10 Commandments –> Then Atheist
All I did was form the contrapositive of an absolute conditional. It may not have been what she meant to say, but it is EXACTLY what she did say.
I understand the argument just fine, thanks.
I don’t mean to pick on anybody, and I certainly don’t want to come off as defending murder. I just don’t think it is appropriate to make gross generalizations about the public to make a point, or to imply that their particular interpretation of the Christian faith is a universal truth. As I said before (in another post), there is no way that I would help a friend in this situation, and I would personally feel responsible if I allowed something like this to happen if I had prior knowledge.
“Thou Shall not Kill — without any exceptions” is bullshit. How about self defense? What about every war that’s been fought in the name of God? What about all the killing that God commands in your bible? What about the death penalty? Contradictions upon contradictions in service of a make-believe diety. Atheists make up over 10% of society and less than 2% of prison populations. That means we commit far fewer crimes than our religious counterparts. In other words, suck it.
atheists commit far fewer crimes because they are a smaller part of the population. to support your argument, instead of supplying stats about the percent of society that atheists make up and the percent of prison populations the account for, how about giving the percent of Christians that commit crimes and the percent of atheists that commit crimes? That way you would be accounting for the difference in population and you would be able to report stats about Christians and Atheists on an even playing field. THEN if the percent of atheists who commit crimes is lower, you could correctly argue that atheists, as an individual population, commit far few crimes than their religious counterparts. The way your argument stands, atheists, as a minority in a larger group, account for a small portion of the crimes committed by the entire group which is to be expected because they are only a small part of a large group. Gives stats that say: of A amount of Christians in this country, B% of them commit crimes while of X amount of atheists Z% of them commit crimes. If Z% ( %of atheists committing crimes) is lower than B% (percent of Christians committing crimes) then you statement that atheists commit far fewer crimes than their religious counterparts would be true, otherwise you are just spouting off stats that don’t really support your argument.
no, sorry anon, Chad’s math is correct. by saying that atheists make up 10% of the overall population, he IS accounting for the fact there are fewer atheists. you can actually use his numbers to find the percentages you say he didn’t provide.
think about it using real numbers ~
1) there are about 300 million total people in this country. if Chad’s numbers are correct, 30 million of those are atheists.
2) about 2.5 million of all people are in prison. If Chad’s figures are correct (2% v. 98%), 50,000 of those are atheists and 2.45 million non-atheists.
Take those numbers and re-apply them to the overall population.
So we’ve got 50,000 atheists in prison out of 30 million atheists total (i.e., 0.17% of all atheists are in prison)
And we’ve got 2,450,000 non-atheists in prison out of 270 million non-atheists total (i.e., 0.91% of all non-atheists are in prison).
i’m not saying chad’s numbers are correct (i don’t know), but they do support his argument.
one thing to keep in mind, however, is that many self-described atheists become religious in prison, whether they are born-again christians or devout muslims.
it would be more telling if we had the percentages of people who were atheist at the time they committed the crime.
Amen Sugarplum! I think any “friend” that goes along and helps cover something as sick as this up deserves just as much punishment. If one of my best friends killed anyone, not only would I not help them with it but I’d turn them into the cops. How can anyone say they are raised with “morals” yet agree, without even thinking twice, about helping covering up a crime scene? That is absurd. Newsflash- Morals means knowing the difference between right and wrong. Its clearly not right to harm anyone…
This, I agree with. I expect that it is morally wrong to not talk your friend out of committing murder, or at least tell authorities of his plan. I feel that in knowledge of intent constitutes at least some degree of moral culpability.
does anyone know what are their myspace page url’s are..i was trying to look them up and couldn’t find them..
They’re at the very bottom of the article.
@Sugarmplum
Your statement is highly biased and quite frankly ignorant. Who says that he doesn’t know about the ten commandments? But because he is an athiest do they really hold the same sway over him as they do to you?
Take me for example, I’m an agnostic myself but I know plenty about the subject all the same.
So, I don’t wish to sound like I’m attacking you or anything, but wake up please. First off, this wasn’t mean to become a religious debate so don’t bother trying to turn it into one, secondly you’re speaking from your particular paradigm, but I’m not going to go any further with that for the sake of my laziness than saying context shapes content.
zing!
I agree that the ten commandments probably do not have the same sway over a religious person/christian that they do over a non-religious person but wasn’t that the point of sugarplum making that statement? The way I read it was: you may not know about the ten commandments b/c you are an atheist and it wouldn’t be important for you to learn such moral laws as thou shalt not kill b/c atheists don’t believe in God and probably aren’t concerned with what he may or may not have commanded.
quoting Sugarplum
“…… everybody’s gay, everybody’s on some type of drugs, unproductive in society zombies walking around today”
what does gay have to do with anything? I myself am straight and a Christian but I don’t think Gay has anything to do with this and I also think that is very ignorant to think that way. I am not attacking you so don’t take it like that. I just wanted to give you some food for thought … how many violent gay men do you read about on websites like this(not including sick pedophiles who will f*** anything that hasn’t hit puberty)… EXACTLY, thanks
that’s beyond ignorant. Hell, I’m gay and I spoke pot, but I’m not going to go kill someone. Man, that’s fucked up. It goes back to what I said about that 13 year-old about America defaulting to the racial roots. It works the same way with the homophobic way.
Ok, yeah I looked at Alex’s myspace and yeah, he looks a lil fruity, but doesn’t mean that that was the reason he killed the guy. NO, I’m NOT defending them, I’m just saying that if everyone who was gay started killing people, we’d have a HUGE problem, because there’s a lot of gay people roaming the streets.
As far as drugs being a reason, hell yeah. Drugs can and will lead people to do some crazy shit. It all falls into a category of how long and much you’ve used. Hell, I had sex with a guy while high on speed when I was younger. It makes you do crazy shit. As for if I would ever kill someone on drugs, nah. I’d want a clear mindset so that I could focus and clean my tracks.
I’m not going to kill someone and hacksaw their body into lil pieces.
Mind you, drugs do make sex a lot better sometimes, so that combo is good.
Anyways, if you’re going to say that being gay leads to murder than you’re retarded. The bad kind.
OH MY GOODNESS!!! Everyone who has responded to my post with the exception of Brianna is illiterate. Why don’t you read my post again and stop picking out the portions you want to attack — that is, being gay and an atheist. That’s not what I was saying!! I’m talking about society as a whole. I never once said in my post that gays were murderers. It’s ironic, though, that those two things, being gay and an atheist, were defended. All you did was solidified what I’m talking about. No one ever want to make it a religious issue. But let me tell you something, 20 years ago when parents were spending quality time with their kids, going to church, were taught integrity and morals, you may have had a few bad apples, but the majority of people were good people. Not anymore. We have, like I said before, a bunch of zombies walking around. They have no direction, no jobs, quitting school, everybody has ADHD, everyone is Bipolar, on some sort of drugs to be able to “cope” with everyday life. Taking vicodin, oxycotin, marijuana, heorin, freak’in cough syrup — anything. And these are your young people. Why!!! No, I’m far from ignorant. People just don’t like to hear the truth when it’s told. Oh, yeah, and back to the gay issue. It is a problem when at my daughter’s high school everybody is claiming to be homosexuals or a lesbians — at 15 years old! So, yes, again, no direction at home. I’m not trying to offend anybody. I’m just stating the facts. Oh, and by the way I might as well add this in too — this epidemic is not limited to any one race.
Again, my two cents worth.
all i know is right now they’re both getting their smooth, virgin, tight, young, teenage boybutts plugged reeeeal good!!! and i’m sure their dance cards get filled EVERY night!
(hey no cuttin in line Bubba – it’s MY turn next!)
right about now dem boys gotta be wishin they’d thought this thru just a little better.
(gawd, that’s gotta hurt!!!)
Come on now. These two boys did the worst thing possible. MURDER. “Whether they did it alone or just helped put the body into a truck.” This Man DAN did not deserve such an awful way to die. Taking a life is not right! any way you look At it. They are both going to have to PAY and thats a fact.Atheist or Catholic they will pay for there crime either now or later. So sad to see young men with such great possibilities throw there lives away like this!
you don’t personally know either of these boys, and what they did was wrong, horribly wrong, but let them get their day in court before you string them up. I know JP Orlewicz, and he is a nice guy. He is assumed to have committed murder, but i will not say anything bad about them until justice is served. I had hoped others would do the same, but i guess everyone is too much of an asshole.
Ok How in the heck did JP do this on his own. Daniel was a big guy and worked as a bouncer. Lil ole JP had help thats how. I believe Alex had more to do with this thing than being a bystander. And WAKE UP Mr. & Mrs. L. your son is no angel.
Dude.
Alex isn’t capable of this. From what I hear, he was threatened by JP, and for the record…
If someone with a head in a tupperwear container tells me “Help me move the stiff or I’ll kill you” I’m fuckin’ helping them.
JP is a little shit and deserves whatever he gets, Alex is just caught in the middle of this and I can’t stand the media calling him a cold-blooded bastard. He was a great guy and would never do this.
So Anon, burn in hell you slimy sack of shit.
this site first of all is a giant pile of shit. fuck you if you think you know these people’s hearts. you don’t know crap about who is going to hell and who isn’t. you know NOTHING about this story, so stop posting shit you don’t know anything about.
alex is a great guy, and if you did know anything, you’d know that alex would NEVER do this in free will.
Alex testified today that he did help jp of his own freewill, so perhaps you should ask yourself if you really know his heart. If he is a “great guy”, would he have really helped to do all of the horrible things that he admitted to doing today? He is no longer under the control of JP and has the freedom to tell the truth about what happened yet he didn’t blame everything on JP, he admitted that he had a part in committing the crime. If you think “Alex is a great guy” and “would never do this in his free will,” then “you know Nothing about this story, so stop posting shit you don’t know anything about.”
We’re discussing two “kids”, depending on how you want to view them, who have not yet been convicted by a jury. Yes, the evidence against them is not in their favor, and it doesn’t look good for them. Am I the only person who truly hopes they ARE innocent? The chances–unlikely, but still…We have to give them their “innocent until proven guilty moment.” Secondly, could we not attack their friends who are here defending them? Imagine if your family or friend was accused of something like this. No matter how sick the accusation, it would be difficult to turn on them immediately or accept what people are saying about them, even if it was true. Thirdly, those of you who are hoping to see these young men raped, beaten or tortured? You are exactly the type of people who would cover a garage with a tarp and hack someone up “just for the hell of it”. You deserve to be in hell just as much as them.
wow, i can’t believe i missed all the other replies, good things there was an update :)
@sugarplum.
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First off, DualDenz, in answer to your question NO!! I would never help someone who killed a human being. And your not sure how far you would go in “the name of friendship,†is horrifying. If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments, Thou Shall not Kill — without any exceptions, including friendship. Unfortunately, it’s a lot of people in this world that thinks exactly like you and that’s why we have these non-feeling, anti-social, no morals, atheists, everybody’s gay, everybody’s on some type of drugs, unproductive in society zombies walking around today.
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Sweet mother of god, i’ve never before seen a piece of my text taken so badly out of context and sprinkled with the gross bigotry you’re displaying here.
1: mine was a moral QUESTION, how far would you go in the name of friendship? you know what? none of my friends are likely to ever kill anyone, so i wont ever be in that situation. you know why that is? because all of my friends share my basic understanding of right and wrong.
2: for the record, i’m from a religious background and have read large parts of the bible, i’m quite familliar with the ten commandments.
3: so many people like me?
non-feeling? derrived from my posts here? oh please.
anti-social? i’ve been told one of my major faults is actually being too social and not taking care of number one first. Hillarious i must admit :)
no morals? HA! i know right from wrong quite well (that’s not to say i never do anything wrong, i’m only human).
atheist? come on, you can do better then that can’t you? so that would mean that anyone who doesn’t believe in god is a bad person?
everybdoy’s gay? i’m straight actually, but have no problem with gays.
evertbody’s on some kind of drugs. Ouch, you got me there, i smoke pot *oops* (oh btw, that’s quite legal here).
unproductive in society zombies walking around today. I work 40 hours a week, doing IT for a major construction company here in Holland. i’d say i’m quite productive to be honest. but hey, year review is coming up, i’ll come back to this on when i’ve received mine and will let you know what my boss thinks about my productivity.
Now don’t say i’m only taking out the bits i want to respond too, i quoted the whole thing and answered every piece of it.
Bottom line: these boys are in serious trouble. No argument.
Everyone has this story ALL wrong.
& condiering theres a gag order none of you stupid fucks should be talking about it. I am friends with alex’s girlfriend and his friends Jess and Sean. All of you are WRONG. Alex knew JP was going to kill Dan, so he agreed he’d just help drive and move it because he owed JP $100 and JP said that he’d forget about it if he helped him. Then lured dan into the garage and JP slit Dan’s throat when dan asked “why?” JP just answered “Just let it take over” You can read parts of Alex’s statement and izzy’s testimony stating that it was JP who admitted to the stabbing and beheading. Alex was in the garage when it all occured but he did not watch or take part of any mutilation. Alex is a good person, so all you can fuck off and get your shit straight!
YEAH & JP HAD A HANDGUN WHICH IS ALSO A FACT YOU IDIOTS NEED TO HAVE RELIABLE SOURCES CAUSE THESE STORIES ARE UNSENSIBLE AND RIDICULOUS! JP also knew where Alex lived, if a person is capable of destorying a person like then, then you know if you were in the situation you’d listen and do what your told. Alex was in shock, I’d do the same for my own safety and my friends and family. All of you are human too, think like one!
First of to “Wow your all stupid”. Shut the fuck up. Who are you to tell everyone else that Alex is a good person? What good person would assist a murderer to dispose of a body? Burn a body? I know that a “GOOD” person would have NOT BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Now if he didnt help him murder the person fine, he still deserves a punishment. If children like this were taught at a young age what should happen to people that do these things they would have thought twice about it. Bring back the lynch in Town Square and forget about all the wasted time and money on this bulshit self defense hang the little abomination (JP). Better yet his mom should have used a coat hanger when she found out she was pregnant. I strongly stand in favor of the death sentance for any sick bastards like this.
Let me make sure I understand you “wow”. Alex knew that JP was planning on committing a murder, agreed to go with him, helped dispose of “it”, accepted credit for a debt of 100 whole dollars as payment for his trouble and I’m supposed to believe that he is a “good guy” and simply “caught in the middle”? I’m having a hard time with that. You see, where I’m from “good guys” generally tend to try and prevent this sort of situation rather than aid and abet a crime. I get that he may have been scared, but are you seriously telling us that there was no way he could have gotten away for 30 seconds to alert law enforcement or warn Dan what was about to go down? I just can’t buy that and if the case makes it in front of a jury, I’m pretty sure they won’t buy it either. Also, as a sidebar, gag orders only apply to the trial participants and not the public at large with no affiliation with the case.
Wow what a pair of winners. I am sure they had no problem getting dates to the school prom. Any parent would be proud to have their daughters bring home one of these fine upstanding young men. Myself, I would get the creeps just looking at them if I sat beside them in a bus. Jean Pierre photo makes him look like a stoner (maybe he was under the influence) when he committed the crime. Alexander James, on the other hand, has a smirk on his face that just begs to be wiped off.
wow. These two guys are capable for killing someone? Oh boy now Ive seen everything
lol
People get Atheism mixed up with Satan worship. Being an atheist does not mean you want to hurt people. And if you think that. you are whats wrong with this country. Religious ignorance and intolerance. Stop being so closed minded about religion.
if anyone has ever even spoken to alex once knows that he wouldent hurt a fly. alex was the most peaceful kid i knew and he would never do this. the word “hate” never has came out of this kids mouth.
I work with the victims Mom and have to say that I am disappointed at the lack of sensitivity. I can’t even imagine going through this, and the focus should be on them finding peace in the mist of their pain and hope in their sorrow and loss not reading the opinions of people who have no clue what really happened. Only God knows the truth and I hope that justice is served on behalf of Daniel Sorenson and his family! Whatever your beliefs are just know that the victims family is listening and watching so be careful and thoughtful in what you say. If you were in their shoes what would you want to read and hear about?
Everything that Hopps said is true, you are all debating about a pile of steaming horseshit on this forum. The fact of the matter is, when I heard this story, I prayed for justice of the victim’s family. There is no way in hell these kids are not going to feel this, no jury in the world would not convict these fucks, especially from everything that is being said by people who supposedly know them. Everything, that is being said, makes them look more incriminating. It doesn’t matter if you personally liked these kids, your opinion is not worth an innocent life. And many of you will argue that one of the accused is actually innocent themselves. Well, all I can say is, someone in this case is going to end up with a herpeAIDS cock tearing up their butthole resulting in a grusome semen filled death in a cold sterile environment, and it’s going to be tht JP kid.
…and possibly that Alex kid.
Someone please help me out here. Are the pics in the article the perps mugshots for THIS crime?
If so, please take a look at the expressions on both of the boy’s faces. Are these the expressions you’d expect from someone who just murdered someone and inconveniently got caught? Or, who might have done it, but it was a misunderstanding or an accident?
Do the pics look like mugshots of kids who have unjustly been arrested for a brutal murder, but are innocent and don’t understand why they’re having their pic taken? If only one of the boys is innocent, and the other was a mean old bully who just forced the other to watch the murder, can you see by expression which kid is guilty and which is innocent?
I have said it before- take a good look into the accused’s eyes. Examine the expression on their face. There’s more info there than you’d imagine if you take the time to look for it.
I’ve noticed that this case, like many others, posts the pics of the alleged perps on the same page, but not very often of the victim. I would rather remember the different cases by my memory of the victim’s pic than that of the POS that has killed them. The victim needs to be remembered, not the perp.
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Forgot to say-
while it’s obvious that both of these kids are higher than a kite, once you realize that, you can overlook it and get to the real expressions behind their shit-faced looks.
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I can see a teenager going for a thrill kill just from reading some of the (pro killer/accomplice) posts posted by other fucking teens. Ever thought of killing yourselves? Fucking scums.
Did any of you see the live preliminary on the web, It was broadcast live.There were 2 witnesses that identified the two being there in the store, (ACO hardware) a few days before the murder. Letkemann looking at hacksaws,in the tool aisle,was identified by the store manager and JP buying Drano, then coming back a few hours later getting more drano (seen by the store cashier)They used Drano to clean up the blood.This proves pre meditation.
drano takes out blood? hmm that must’ve been researched.
Alright, Y’all don’t know shit, I know Alex first hand, we were together damn near close to a year, his parents, Pete and Diane know that Alex is no angel, but then again who is? But they do know, as well of the rest of Alex’s friends, that he is a wonderful person, no violent tendencies what so ever, if we got into an argument, it was because of me and he wouldn’t even raise his voice to me, and when it comes to JP I knew him, we all did, but not well, he’d only been around for the past few months, so anyone who thinks that JP and Alex were best friends or some shit like that are completely WRONG! They hardly even spoke to eachother. JP did have some problems, I can’t go into because like I said I didn’t know him that well, but Alex… wow where do I even start? He’s one of the best people I know, he’d go out of his way to help someone with the littlist issue, cutting grass for Sean’s mom because they don’t own a lawn mower in 90 degree whether, spending his last dime on gas to take me home(I live about 20 miles away from all of my friends) and just always there to help, and his parents did raise him up christian, he went to church every sunday and went on retreats with kids his age when he was younger, but as he got older and became more knowledgeable he realized that it was all hypocricy. So don’t be talkin shit when you don’t know a damn thing about whats going on and what kind of person Alex truly is.
so yet another Christian innocently blamed…oh wait he woke up from Christianity. So it’s just another good guy who would do no harm with no violent tendencies at the wrong place at the wrong time. hmmm interesting.
He sounds like a great guy who would do anything for anyone. Very giving.
The kind of guy who would give you the shirt off your back, or help you dispose of a corpse.
Funny how so many xians are accused/convicted and go to jail for crimes they are innocent of. IYKWIM. The way I see it, it saves them the trouble of having to convert when their parole hearings come up.
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ok you’ve said IYKWIM a few times what does that mean?
perhaps: if you know what i mean
Ok folks!!!
The trial will start on April 7, 2008
I’m not saying he’s innocently being blamed, I’m just clarifying the whole religion issuse. Also, nobody took JP seriously, so yes Alex was there, he’s admitted that, but I bet my life that Alex didn’t believe that JP was actually going to go through with it, for starters compare JP’s size to Dan, and no one ever saw JP show his physical strength, so just by looks, it doesn’t seem possible, obviously it was, but at first glance..? and then there’s the whole not knowing that JP has no morals, I can’t say that as a fact, it’s not like I did a psycoanalist on him, but to do that, and then look at him in court with out the tiniest shred of remorse on his face, seems to me that he doesn’t
Katie, I just want to say that I believe you and I believe Alex. I watched him testify and I do not believe he believed JP was actually going to go through with it. JP had said he was going to kill someone to many people (alex mullins, levi webb, sean, Izzy Ayyash, letkemann) and nobody seemed to believe him.
Even JP’s own testimony expunged Alex of participating in any of the killing or dismemberment.. JP said that Alex just “stood there like a deer in the headlights” and that Alex was “shocked” –even though JP claimed self-defense, I still believe that part of his testimony.
I think that Alex Letkemann should get some punishment but 20-30 years in prison is quite harsh, as I truly do NOT believe that he is a danger to society, nor do I believe the he truly believed JP was serious, ..plus, even by JP’s own admission— Alex never took part in ANY of the mutilation/murder.
Sarah, but he did (admittedly), take part in the premeditation of murder as well as concealing evidence. He went to a store, helped pick out “murder weapons”, and still went ahead to the home of “JP”. 20-30 years, in my own opinion, is not “quite harsh.” I’m sure that he knew what the consequences for his actions were, and he obviously willingly accepted them when he agreed to “help” his friend commit murder.
Brittany- sorry. Once again I just assumed everybody knew the shorthand.
So- IYKWIM is short for ‘If you know what I mean’. And though you did not ask, I should probably say that on the thread of the old guy who shot 2 ‘robbers’ in the back, when I call him ‘Mr. SFAQL’ it means ‘Shoot first, ask questions later’. Sorry for the confusion.
As far as these 2 POS- I don’t really care if the ‘wingman’ didn’t attack and kill the guy himself…. the fact that he willingly participated in bagging up and disposing of someone’s body is really no lesser offence. I mean, really. If your new BFF asked you to physically pick up and dispose of a human body that had been butchered, torched, decapitated, etc., how many of you would say- um, no thanks. I need to wash my cat.
At a certain point there is no difference to the degree of involvement in murders. Oh, well yeah, I raped her, but I didn’t stab her, but I helped bury her…..
Puhleeese.
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Sorry to say , even though Alex didn’t commit the actual murder,He was there and helped with the clean up and disposal of the body. He will unfortunately get the same sentence as JP.Also, He was seen by the store manager At ACO hardware looking at hacksaws before the murder, This will not help his case, as it will look like premeditation to a jury.
Glorybug, the average online junkie would know the ’shorthand’ that is univesally used, like WTF?, LOL, IKD, BRB, etc. The ones you mentioned seem to be nothing more than you being a smartass.
at least she’s more litterate then most of the people who write on here whether it’s short hand or not.
I like that GloryBug is a smartass. hahahahha. She cracks me up. AND literate. Makes for pretty interesting reading if you ask me. I get a big kick out of reading these posts. And the people that defend idiots like these two…well, can’t say much to them except WAKE THE HELL UP!!!
huh? kim, what do these two idiots have anything to do with what we’re discussing here?
correction: IKD = IDK
i knew sorenson, talked to him on a fairly regular basis too (monthy). im glad these two POSes get what they deserve.. too bad executions are illegal in michigan
Yeah, this article is really inaccurate. Alex wasn’t even there for the killing. He showed up later. The reason he “cracked” for the police was because his sentence should have been much less than that of Jean’s.
Yes, I know this because I went to school with Alex and I knew him really well. I also knew his family and they were all good people. Alex would never kill anybody. He would never even help anyone kill somebody. Jean was the psychopath, and he only called Alex over (who had no idea what he was about to get involved with) so that he had a pal to accompany his cowardly ass to prison.
“Newsflash- Morals means knowing the difference between right and wrong. Its clearly not right to harm anyone…”
Good thing you weren’t in charge of the Normandy Invasion. Pretty sure asking the Germans over for tea and crumpets was a lost cause.
Once you reach a 5 or 6 in Kohlberg’s Moral Hierarchy, there is no such thing as a moral absolute.
“Good thing you weren’t in charge of the Normandy Invasion. Pretty sure asking the Germans over for tea and crumpets was a lost cause.”
Thank you for making my morning so much brighter. I haven’t laughed that hard in awhile. =)
Hmmm
Loooks like alex has pleaded GUILTY to 2nd degree murder.This will only save his butt for a few years, you all see …he was more involved than we all thought.He will be an old man when he sees the light of day again
I say these guys deserve Hell…….On EARTH!
More specifically I cant wait for JP to get the Shit raped out of his ass in prison.If here my cellmate I would fuck him till he started shitting blood.
This trial is being live streamed on the net and played on a cable channel. It’s so sick and depraved, I can’t believe I am watching this.
And Jean-Pierre looks so clean cut & innocent, .. What a sick, twisted POS.
I hope he gets life in prison w/no parole. If a lot of serial killers start off by killing animals as teens…. Can we safely assume that someone who plans a murder, mutilates the body and then dumps the body parts in two separate locations is a very dangerous person to have back out on the streets at ANY point?
You’re right Allie, JP DOES look pretty innocent and babyfaced. What I hope & pray is that JP in particular will Not be elligible for protective custody. I think that a lifetime of assrape is a much more fitting punishment for JP than death row. I mean seriously-he’s Gonna get RAPED! There’s no doubt about it! =)
God doesn’t care about the man with the sawed-off head. I mean, he was watching and didn’t stop it. To me, silence is approbation and goddammit, God was silent in both action and sentiment, so he obviously didn’t mind. Why should you?
I’ve been listening to the testemoney durring the trial and these guys are sick! I say execute Jean Pierre and life for Alexander
Why not make them Bubba’s Bitches? Wouldnt that be a Much Worse punishment than exectution? WHY am I the only one who thought of this??
Isn’t this a hate crime? Two Jews killing a goy? If it was two goys killing a Jew, you know it would be called a hate crime.
Isn’t this a hate crime? Two Jews killing a goy?
Ha, ha wait til the niggers get a hold of these two jewboys.
Since when is JP Orlewicz a JEW? You people do realize thats a POLISH Surname and not a jewish surname.
I’ve learned so much from this site. For example, I’m learned that almost every time, innocent people get charged for crimes they couldn’t have committed.
And, while the proof of their innocence never seems to surface, they do all seem to have the temdency to plead guilty to the crimes they aren’t guilty of, and to provide really graphic details of how they ‘didn’t’ do it.
It makes me sad that we’re sending so many innocent murderers and child-abusers to prison. We really should let them all go and incarcerate all those nasty pot-smokers who are really causing all the damage in our society.
See? I’ve learned so much already!
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Seth- thanks for that comment. I was also under the impression that the ‘icz’ was most likely Polish. No doubt there are plenty of Polish-haters, too. I’m no genealogy psychic, but I’d assume a surname ending in ’son’ is some sort of Scandinavian name?
So it could have been that a Jewish person and a Polish person killed a Scandinavian person. But I could be wrong, and they could be adopted. So we should probably stick with something more scientific, by just guessing their nationality by their looks.
I’m not too keen on all the ‘hate crime’ shit. Seems to me it’s pretty hateful killing anyone. And if those are going to fly, then every time a man kills a woman- especially if he’s killed or attacked one before- slap another 50 years on him- it’s a hate crime!
Two people who commit the same crime should get the same sentence, no matter if they had a person gripe against some group the victim belonged to. One victims’ death isn’t more valuable just because they were hated more, is it? Just make all the sentences longer- or shorter… as in the DP.
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Only in America …
You, lucky people! Being the nursery to such deviant morons. How does that feel ?
I’ll tell you how it makes me feel. I feel like on these cold winter nights when blizzard’s hitting outside, and I cuddle under my blanket thinking how lucky I am not to be out in the cold.
Dr Who : I believe the plural of “goy” is “goyim”.
Anyway.
Speaking of “Jews, Polish, and other related hatred issues”. I’m surprised nobody has yet caught on the fact that “Jean Pierre” is a French name.
Hell and damnation ! French, you said ??!? . God damn those friggin stinky cheese-eating surrender monkeys who hate America. Surely JP’s mum didn’t shave her armpits, which messed up the kid’s brains. He should get capital pun just for being French.
Wait a minute… Jew, you said ?!!?? French AND Jewish !??! Oh Lord, he wouldn’t be gay by any chance ? He must be, as all these french pansies are. That’s why we saved their dirty asses back in ‘44.
KILL HIM !! No need for a trial !!
… I’m surprised nobody caught on that. Such a sweet old American classic…
wish we could watch them fry
Can you only be convicted of a hate crime if your white? All the cases I’ve heard of involve the attackers being white, has anyone heard of a case where the attacker was a different race and was convicted of a hate crime.
I think Alex had way more to do with this than he has testified to. He has turned on his friend and is trying to save his own a$$. Fact remains: no one will ever know what TRULY happened except the 3 people there that day. How do we know that Dan didnt figure out what they were thinking of doing, got pissed and it DID end up being self defense. I think that Alex knew there was no chance of anyone believing it and decided that its every man for himself. He just flipped first and left J.P hanging. Not saying it wasnt WRONG. Just saying there is more that we will never know, regardless of evidence, good investigation, etc.
This is the problem I have with all this. I’ve looked at Alex’s myspace page and I see a completely different person than the picture at the top of this page or in trial. He was the cool hippy kid that tried to be different and this is what he became. There is now a blank absence in his eyes that makes me know that they’ve seen something grim and something died in him. Whether or not he brutally killed a man, I don’t know, but something changed in him!!! You can tell from the old pictures of him.
Why is it that these kids are demonized for one murder, yet people like the Columbine shooters are praised all over the web? Is murder OK in some circumstances, but not in others? JP is no monster, he’s a kid with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex and a lot of mental issues.
My god. Its like everyone on this page has lost their minds. It has NOTHING to do with religious affiliation, whether you’re atheist, agnostic, or a deeply devout Christian. It also has nothing to do with the parents. The most a parent can do for their child is provide for them, and give them the love and support that they need. These are two DEEPLY disturbed individuals. To commit a crime such as they did, something must be wrong in their minds. Sociopaths like Jeffrey Dahmer did things like this. Its just that it took him awhile to get caught. Do you not think that these people pose an immeasurable threat to society??? That’s the plain truth of it. They should be locked away for that simple fact. This statistics argument that you’re all throwing around is inane and really, all you need to do is understand the simple fact that the United States does not need these kids walking around asking themselves who they’re going to kill next. MANDATORY life in prison…thank you United States Justice System.
What happened to all of Alex’s friends? Where did you go? Tell me again about what a great guy he is.
Then again, he DID owe $100. What’s a kid to do? I guess being an accomplice in murder is the only way out.
This testimony is hard to stomach.
WHY are you people so focused on the ethnicities and religious backgrounds of the killers and their victim? WHY cant we talk about the Prison Rape they’ll face in the slammer! Its a MUCH more pleasant thought you know ;-)
These two perpetrators could be examined by a battalion of psychologists and psychiatrists and a multitude of hypotheses could be suggested for their criminal behavior — not to mention (but I will) the rationalizations of their families, friends, and other apologists. The state of the art of practitioners of these “sciences” of psychiatry and psychology is that their ability to predict future criminal behavior is pretty questionable, but these practitioners are very skilled in after-the-fact guesses that cannot be proven. They and we can talk about parental upbringing or lack thereof, the presence of psychopathy, religion, you name it. After all is said and done, what can be and is being proven is that these two scum bags participated in a heinous act for which they should be deprived of any normalcy in their lives. Neither is fit to be in the outside world.
you fucking bible humping pricks make me sick. go read your science fiction novel bible and go waste your life away praying to nothing. dumb fucks
I dont think you should assume things about the situation unless you were actually there. maybe these guys reallly did feel that their lives were threatened, Im not sure, but when put in crazy situations it’s amazing what the human mind decides to do…especially a growing 17 year old mind. you have to remember that at one point they were random people like you and I and for anyone to pass judgment on them and say they deserve to go to hell is ridiculously hipocritcal because it’s not really for us to judge.
J P seems somewhat believable to me.
It is my position that no person on this earth, has the power to decide who will go to hell.It is not a power ,”THANK GOD” that anyone can decide. We ont know what really happened in that garage.There was only 1 adult and 2 children there.Why was an adult sex offender in the company of the 2 boys?If he was the type to wave a gun in the faces of 2 boys, what did he think was going to happen.There was malice intended from square one.A person who waves a gun in the face of 2 minor boys,needs to remain incarcerated.Why was he allowed to hang out with children? Where was the parents in all of this? A person has the right to defend themselves. The law states that self-defense, a person must believe their life is in danger,and they are about to be killed. If someone is waving and pointing a gun at you, would you not think this? If someone is pointing a loaded gun at me, I would and anyone would come to the conculsion that their life was in danger. People dont go around pointing guns in people’s faces unless they intned on malice. Yes Mr.Orlewicz may have went to far. But how many times does a person encounter a gun being pointed at them? I ont condone what he did, but I believe he panicked. He is young, this guy has threatened him in the past, and probably saved his and his friends life. The fault of Mr.Sorenson’s death is his own.What good could he of thought would come out of pointing a gun at someone? It only takes common sense to see the outcome of it. That man should of never been allowed around these boys, or any children. The blame lies with the deceased. The 2 boys are the real victims. This man put them in a position that will destroy all of their lives. If any of them deserves hell,its him and him only!
I just find your comment very uninformed and based solely off of what you have heard from the testimony. Did you forget that this man was in this garage because he was called over to the home and led there? Please take a moment to realize that these two “boys” (Even though they were both 18 years old and considered ADULTS) planned this out before he was even phoned to come over. Are you saying that the tarp laying on the floor and the “murder weapons” were just conveniently there whenever the VICTIM (lets not forget that he is the one that had his life taken) pulled out his gun and started casually waving it in their faces? See it from his perspective. You realize what’s about to happen, and what you’ve just stepped into, and you think oh God, what do I do now? To quote your very self “A person has the right to defend themselves. The law states that self-defense, a person must believe their life is in danger,and they are about to be killed.” Even if the way you recited it is how it actually happened, I know if someone had a gun in my face, and my only option was kill or be killed, I would have done the necessary, been VERY disturbed by it, and called the police. What did these boys do? Instead, they went ahead with mutilating the body by severing the head ,and disposing of it. If you’re not guilty, you don’t hide evidence. That should be simple enough for anyone to understand. Ask yourself this, if someone attacked you, and yo killed them in “self-defense”, would you stoically dispose of the body, or call for help? Think about that one for a while.
Everybody needs to stop jumping to conclusions! JP is not a murderer and he sure as hell does not deserve hell. All you people out there need to get your facts straight. Understand before you open your mouths! It was self defense. JP was defending himself and his friend… Alex L. and Adam D. Sorenson was planning to “threaten to kill” Adam D. for money with JP and Alex L. JP realized that Sorenson was going to take it too far. Sorenson turned on JP and Alex L. Sorenson took out his gun and pointed it at Alex and at JP, told JP to get in the corner with Alex and stop screwing him around. Alex like a little B**** stood there with Sorenson pointing a gun in his face and didn’t do S*** while JP found a way to disarm Sorenson with a knife that was sitting on a work bench in his grandfather’s garage. JP defended himself as well as his friend, Alex. L. Keep in mind JP is about 5′9-5′10 and 150lbs (pounds) while Sorenson stands 6′1-6′2 and 250lbs (pounds) plus.
One stab is not going to kill a man that big! JP was in a struggle with Sorenson! It was eiather JP and Alex stand there with a gun in his face with Dan Sorenson raging or JP do something about it and he did something about it! And now he is a “thrill kill” suspect because he defended himself! Everybody has to open there mouth when they don’t even know what happened. This is what happened people! Put in the same predictament I would defend myself too and so would you not unless your like Alex L. who is going to go grovel in a corner and twirl his hair with a raging gunman holding a gun in his face! Learn the facts people and watch the trial. JP is not a murderer. Sorenson so far has been catagorized as acting like “the boss” acting like he’s included in the mafia… It’s all in the trial. Even his girfriend on trial defined him as an “intimidating man and scary.” He had sex with a minor… he acted like he was from the mafia, carried guns on him, hung out with minors and bought them beer and got them weed… What king of 26 year old man hangs with minors and sells them drugs? Think about that. And says he’s got mafia cousins and that he had to go to Italy to “do business”. It’s all in the trial if you watch it…. Even a women who knew Sorenson came up and testafied he acted like he was the boss. Sorenson to me sounds like he was living in a fantasy world like he’s in the mafia…
86, if it was self-defense, can you explain to me why it was necessary for J.P. to cut the man’s head off? He wasn’t dead enough from the slitted throat and numerous stab wounds? Come on, get real. You put forth numerous paper-thin excuses for J. P.’s criminal behavior when, clearly, the man is a seriously warped psychopath who likely pre-planned the heinous execution along with the collaterals of beheading and torching the fingers.
But, there’s no further need to debate with you because all of the paper-thin excuses you or his attorney can muster will have zero impact. J.P. is going to prison for the rest of his warped life, and I, for one, couldn’t be more pleased. I’ll sleep a little bit better at night knowing that this societal aberration, this human stain, is locked up tight.
Answer me as you like, but, when the verdict comes in, that will tell the real tale. Let’s just wait and see.
J.P. wanted to hide the body fearing reprisals from Sorenson’s mafia-connected friends and family. The bullshit gets deeper and deeper!
ok to the ppl who r defending jp…what is the deal with that?
if he had done this to some1 u loved ud b all about hell nd being against him…
he knew the whole time wut he was doing…if he cn sit there nd saw his head off…then hes a murder nd he deseves to b treated like one…
regardless of him being atheist or not…
even if he was christian or ne other form of reliogion it still wouldnt b rite…
how can u sit her nd say it was self defense????????????
u cnt tell me that at all…so get off ur high nd smell teh roses hes guilty nd thats that…
dnt drp the soap… =]
This is sad. In every way possible. Take it from someone who has had an up front first hand expierence with this case. It’s not all the media says it is. You go one day to a trial and your whole outlook will change on it. This is terriable. personally i feel bad for every single person involved. Including JP. yeah sounds crazy but i do. He has issues and problems. i feel bad for anyone who could do that. and i also feel bad for anyone who has done something so stupid that they spent thier 18th birthday in Jail. I sure do hope i am doing something much more exciting than that. I know my dreams on my 18th birthday do not include prison. Nor for my 21st or life. I know that the friends and families of both parties are very upset by this whole thing. Yeah it is easy to take sides when you only have what the media says. But i go to school where he went and i talk to his freinds. This is upsetting! This is so wrong in so many different ways! I am very distraught by all of this and cannot get it out of my mind. I really do no care waht anyone has to say in a comment back to this because, personally i have been to the trials and i have talked with many different people including JP’s friends parents and Dans friends and parents. This is a terriable terriable situation and everyone involved i feel sympathy for.
this is one of the saddest things i ever watch, i watched in disbelief as this stupid 18 year old sociopath sat there and lied his ass off! it was kinda sad how ovious his lies are, everyone can see it! hope the jury is smart…. he will rot in hell
I’ve taken this last half hour and read this blog. One thing that stands out is the anger and hate I felt reading these blogs. You can defend your opinion with out lashing out! This whole story is sad for all parties involved.I was sorry to hear that they were both atheaists. I’m sure that Alex and JP will be “born again” within the next few years. May God be with them. And also to the parents of the victim. No one wins….
What is wrong with expressing anger and hate toward an abomination who richly deserves both and more? What is wrong with lashing out against an aberration, a vermin, a festering societal disease, and evil personified? There is a time for sadness, but the current situation and impending fate of Alex and J.P. doesn’t come close to warranting it. Locking these scum bags up for their lives makes society a winner.
i agree, what we dont need is another criminal loose on the streets. i hope he never sees the outside world again
Guilty on all counts. Life in prison with no possibility of parole.
when is the verdict?? its easy to see right through a lie and thats why these kids will only see a small jail cell for the rest of there lives. this guy had a gun but yet no shots fired.
Alot of people do not understand all the facts in this case. I’ve watched almost all of the testimonies in this trial. This kids are stupid. JP is facing life in prison and he wont even admit that Dan is a drug dealer. It is obvious that JP was buying drugs from Dan and selling to all his friends. Why don’t they attack Dan’s character using that as the basis?? That would be the way to go.
As for Alex, this kid is a complete moron. All he had to do was say he didnt know anything was going to happen and that he was threatened by JP so he was forced to help. That’s it, thats all he had to say and with his cooperation he could have gone free completely. Big mistake by admitting he was willingly there and willingly helped him. Alex admitted he was there because he owed JP 100 dollars. Why would you ever admit that? It’s obvious JP was a dealer (dan was the source) and Alex owed him money because he bought from JP.
Also, there is no question in my mind that JP told Alex the reason he was killing Dan when he asked him for his help. Alex MUST have asked JP why he planned on killing Dan, you dont just know about something like a potential murder and not ask WHY? I’m sure it was over money JP didn’t want to pay back to Dan (probably around 3 grand) These kids made a huge mistake by not getting their stories together.
JP was just found guilty, and he obviously was in fact guilty. His testimony only doomed him if anything. Self-defense was completely bogus unless Alex and JP agreed on their story. There are many details we will never know, but i just dont understand why JP and Alex continued to hold back about Dan, they clearly have nothing more to lose.
Isnt it obvious Dan was a dealer and he sold to JP, who in turn sold to all his friends. That is why Alex owed JP 100 dollars, thats why JP owed Dan money, thats why the Adam was being lured there because he owed JP 500 dollars. Yeah im sure he stole that $500 from JP’s parents, yeah right. It was drug money plain and simple. Why dont these kids admit that?
You say a lot of people don’t understand the facts in this case and then you go on to spout your theories! What was proven to a jury of J.P.’s peers is that he cold-bloodedly murdered Sorenson. The result is a sentence of life in prison with no possibility of parole.
They’ll be plenty of after-the-fact analyses and likely even books written about it. I’m just fine with J.P. and Alex being locked up.
Your hypo criticism shocks me. First you speak of how Alex should have just lied, saying that he should have just said that he had no idea what was going on, and he would have gotten away free! (Which is entirely incorrect and you obviously have no knowledge of how the law works.) Then you go on to preach about how these kids were dealing drugs and that was the basis for all of this, and yadda yadda, “Why don’t these kids just admit that?” Please don’t speak if all you feel like doing is further criticizing the victim in this case, and have nothing intelligent to offer to this page.
Supporting murder and damning a VICTIMS character doesn’t help anyones views towards you.
This is insane.
Does self defense mean anything to anyone anymore?
The bullshit self-defense cop-out was transparent
and the insanity would have been for the jury to buy into it. The narcissistic, antisocial scum bag got exactly what he deserved. Moan and groan and talk about the insanity of it all, but off to prison for the rest of his life he goes.
guilty!!!!!!!! hell yeah! and thats how its done!
Just in case anyone wants to enjoy the experience of the jury’s verdict, here’s a link to a 5+ minute video of the reading.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/15903586/index.html
JP looks like he wants his mommy really, really bad…..
i watched this trial…….
nd lemme tell u…jp showed no emotion at all the whole trial….so i guees u can say that revenge is a sweet excape…
jp deserves all the punishment they cn dish out to him…he knew wut he was doing the whole time..nd i hope that he sits in that jail cell nd rotts in hell….
nd i hope that he finds a new way to “defend”himself cuz hes gna need it where hes goin… =]
high five to the jury….
nd kudos to the ppl who testified against him…
im out… kat
So, I know this is old news and stuff…. but just a couple things:
(1) Your vehemence frightens me. Yes, we’re all angry about this to some degree or another, but the utter zeal with which you express your opinions here and in previous posts is frightening.
(2) This is not a text message. For those of us who grew up reading books, newspapers and other forms of printed media, it is painful to read “txtspk” or whatever. Most of the time, when I see numbers replacing full words, I won’t even give the message the time of day. In your case, however, I did. I don’t know why.
(3) The word “and” begins with a letter “a”. It is not “cool” or “stylin’” to drop the “a.” Rather, it makes you look illiterate and distracts your reader from the point you are trying to make. It discredits you. The same can be said for “can,” “people,” and “what”… shortening words makes you look dumb. Just so you know.
Now…. let me translate the previous message for you, so you can better understand it. (No need to thank me, I’m just being courteous)
(1) ur angr skers me. Ya, we all md bout this 2 sum pt, bt u b 2 xitd. (2) dis no txt. 4 us smrt ppl it hurtz.
(3) da wurd “and” strts w “a”. it not “kool” or “stylin’” 2 drp da “a.” it mks u luk dum. Jus sos u no.
Someone thought J.P. was hot? Good gods, he looks like Mr. Bean on drugs.
Have fun rotting in jail for the rest of your life and being some big black dudes wife. dont drop the soap!
JP is totally hot, i’d totally bang him.
THANK YOU
dan was 26 hanging out with kids.he was a sex offender.why not get rid of 3 scumbags like we did
He was convicted of being 17 while he had sex with a 14 year old girl. Not exactly Diddler Of The Year material.
Hey, Sorenson had issues no doubt. I don’t think we would have been buddies. Even his folks (who may be the classiest people on Earth. This whole nightmare was almost worth that 2 or 3 minute interview with them after the verdict) admitted he had problems. But no one deserves to die like that, not even JP.
ummmm,i dont think any of u people that are saying they should go to hell are any better than them you guys are judging and u have no right to judge anyone the only person who will say if they go to hell or not is god himself …im not saying what they did was right but we are not to say who is and who isnt so they are going to jail for rest of there life let them be….just becasue someone thinks they are cute does not mean they are sick in the head judging again but oh well god will take care of those one day
i think the whole thing is crazy as hell. I also beleive that dan had more in this than what was said he was supposed to be this really bad ass dude hanging with teens. I know jp is guilty. I really think that dan did turn on them and jp did defend himself and alex but he took it to far and really fucked up their lives. I dont beleive that they planned this at all to kill dan i think scaring adam was the main plan and dan went nuts on the two..
then why did Alex lie? if j.p savrd his life, he would be greatful!!! just another huge hole in jps story!
So many good, well thought comments. Mikey in particular.
Whoever mentioned Mr. Bean owes me a new keyboard, since you almost made me blow ice water out my nose.
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jp is so HOTT, why the fuck is the jury so ffffffffff cold minded. he is only 17 year old. unfair justice was done to him.
you are a dumb bastard
BULLSHIT preya, but JP is Hott. Given that AND what he did I think he’s surely destined to Be Bubba’s BITCH in the Slammer! I cant say the enough:
HE GONNA GIT RAPED!!
So basically your argument is that as long as i am…hot…then i can stab someone to death, cut off their head and try to hide all evidence of doing it?
Cool…i got some ex’s i want to hunt down then;p
chyea… too bad ur ugly as fuck….
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danny: chyea….too bad your are stupid as fuck.
i know jp. i wont stick up for him, or defend him. but i will miss him for a while.
I think JP is a hot little bitch and I would love to bang him in jail or anywhere for that matter
Canadians are fucking sick bastards
FUCK THAT Brian! If JP were MY cellmate you can bet your bottom dollar Id make him my BITCH!
Well looks like Alex will be doing 20 to 30 and all for a 100.00 loan from JP. Sad… Also I do feel horrible for JP’s family… God be with them !!!
If JP’s, Dans or Alex’s
family read this blog, please know that there are some of us out here that are praying for your familys. My heart goes out to you!
Maybe JP and Alex’s family shouldve taught them better: that if they do something like this they’ll goto the slammer and spend the rest of their miserable lives as Bubba’s Bitch.
HELL YEAH!
As a requirement, JP must wear a black, crotch-less latex body suit, equipped with a black latex gas mask hood.
In the heat of day, he must run laps around the penitentiary courtyard until he passes out.
While he is unconscious – the first ten convicts that get to him can rape him silly.
Put some smelling salts under his gas mask and then let the games begin.
I hardly think this is JP’s or Alex’s familys fault. Maybe if Dan wasn’t a 26 year old “man” showing his ass for a bunch for 17 and 18 year olds, maybe if Dan didn’t wave a gun so freely, maybe if wasn’t a bold faced lair, maybe none of this would’ve happened. Maybe
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It doesn’t matter if the dude was showing his ass. They had no right to kill him.
Okay, what would you do if you were a 17 year old boy at 5′ 10″, 170lbs. and a grown man over six foot, 250lbs, who previously told you that he’d kill all the people you loved most, had strong connections in the mob, and was involved with a gross amount of criminal activty, was waving a loaded gun at you and your friend while having a temper tantrum because he couldn’t extort someone? I’d hope you wouldn’t just stand there….
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Sorry, Amanda, my comment went to the bottom. I just wanted to point out that homeboy was invited to come to the grandfather’s home by JP and/or Alex. If I was scared of someone, I wouldnt invite them over for tea and crumpets. So, they must have not been that afraid of him. They planned what they did.
When someone scares me, I want nothing to do with them. I would have not invited dude to my house in the first place, so the self defense argument is a moot point.
i don’t think they were afraid of him as much as they were intimidated by him. the only reason to be around him was he bought alcohol for us and had good drug hookups. Oh, and he was always down for a fight. And it’s not like he was invited over to hang out, he was there to scare the hell out of Adam Dewy to get the money Adam stole JP’s parents, the money Dan owed JP, and a little extra for himself.
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fuck you JP i hope you get raped and beaten everyday for the rest of your life. Thats what you deserve you sick fuck. Oh yeah, have fun.
Oh, he will have fun, yes.
When he passes out, they will use him as a rag doll.
I don’t want smelling salts. I want him to be noodles…their little sex toy.
You know, it is quite possible that the families of those boys may read these comments, I personally feel compelled to say I feel sorry for everyone involved here.
To me, the bottom line is that something else was going on in JP’s mind to make him decide to kill Dan Sorensen. It’s sad that it happened, but I can’t believe it was only to see the man die. I believe that he was an intimidating presence. He was a lot bigger than most of the kids he hung around with. He was also a lot older. He was lying about his involvement in organized crime, he carried weapons, he provided drugs and alcohol, and he also had a history of violence which the jury should have been told about. No matter what you say, it was relevant that the guy was hit with more than one restraining order for the same things he was allegedly doing in this case. Now, all this doesn’t lessen the grief his parents feel and they will always remember their son’s good qualities, which I am sure he had a lot of. The fact remains, there were circumstances we never heard about without being involved in the lives of these kids.
Alex Letkemann was only 18 when this happened. His mind was not fully prepared to deal with the actions going on. JP said that he looked to Alex for help and saw him freaking out, “like a deer in the headlights”. He was pulling his hair out and yelling. I believe that. From what I have read here, Alex was a good guy and very friendly. His life wasn’t about hatred, he was searching for his place in the world. My theory is that JP ended up deciding he had to do what he had to do and he asked Alex for help. Alex saw the chance to erase his debt and that’s all he was thinking about. He admitted it was a gross lack of judgment that made him get into this. Alex was in the garage not helping, according to JP’s testimony. He sees the knife wounds bring down this bull of a man and he couldn’t believe his eyes. He wwas so shocked, he could only pull his at hair and freak out. It must have been so traumatic! He went outside and vomitted. He needed to get some fresh air, oxygen not full of the smell of human blood and death. He may have heard this was going to happen before he got there, but I am sure that no matter how prepared I am, seeeing the horor of such a death scene in real life (all the senses experiencing another person’s death) would leave me in shock. The main reason I believe Alex so completely is because he had a similar reaction when they returned him to the garage and he was sickened by just the memory of it. That to me is the sign of a person with truth. I feel very sorry for Alex because he was just a teenager doing what tenagers do and he made a serious judgment error. There may have been intimidation from Dan Sorensen and there may have been cold blooded thrill kill desire in JP Orlewicz, but Alex Letkemann was there in innocence. I think he made the plea deal so he could get a period of freedom to make something from his life at least in the 2nd half of his adulthood. I for one hope he is given the chance to obtain his GED and a degree so that his life will have a firm foundation. I believe he can make a positive impact on the world and I don’t think wishing him the horror of rape or other violence in prison will do any good. I believe his friends and I believe he’s the kid in that myspace page, not the one in that garage those 2 days last November. I believe his guilt and remorse led him to confess to police and to take them to the crime scenes. I believe he lied because he wasn’t sure what could happen to him if he told the complete truth. He just had a fear of being punished. I believe he knew this was what JP planned to do, but I also believe he couldn’t believe his eyes when he saw it happening. I believe he is very sad and remorseful for being there and not stopping it. I believe that when the judge asked for an answer as to why he didn’t stop it, there were no words to describe his reaction, but he witnessed a death and that has impact on someone with a heart, like Alex Letkemann.
As for JP, I am wondering how he could go through that trial and the descriptions of his actions without any emotion at all. As the commentators and prosecutors said, it was like he was ordering at the Taco Bell (BTW when Alex was testifying, he said that when they went to Taco Bell he was unable to eat his food, while JP ate all of his meal). JP comes across as a seriously hateful person. His myspace page is creepy. He seems to be very cold and not at all friendly or loving towaard others. His treatment of his parents in those phone calls was exactly how teenagers talk to their parents, except that his voice was full of anger and frustration, his word choices were quite disrespectful and full of expletives but not unlike the typical rants of a kid who feels trapped and frustrated.
The prosecutor in this case made several statements in which he portrayed Alex Letkemann as playing with his hair as JP did the killing. That isn’t accurate. If his case is strong enough to get a conviction, he shouldn’t have had to resort to making a joke of Alex’s horror at the sights and smells of that scene.
INow that the trial is over, we know JP is going to prison for life and Alex is for 20-30 years. I am not hoping either of them is raped or tortured or jaded by life behind bars. I will continue to pray for their souls and for God’s forgiveness on them. I will also pray for the Letkemann and Orlewicz families as they cope with this experience.
Just as Jeffrey Dahmer’s parents were accused of raising a monster, I get the impression that these two boys were raised by loving parents. It is not their fault their sons got involved in this enterprise.
Well, I’ll read your responses if any, but please make them sound and intelligent. Thx, Rob R
Your blurb is so disblurbing.
I’m not sure how that sounds.
“… how he could go through that trial and the descriptions of his actions without any emotion at all…”
If I killed someone in selfdefense I’d feel little remorse too.
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This case caught my attention due to the similarities to a case here in the California High Desert. Almost identical in motive, the scene, the suspects and the total shock of the locals in this small community. The only difference is the punishment. California seems to be so much more lienient than Michigan. I feel for the families in this case, and for some weird reason, can’t help but feel kind of bad for JP and Alex…..go figure.
Finally! Some remarks that care about everyones lives! Rob, I totally agree with everything you had to say. I too feel Alex got caught up in something absolutely crazy. Something out of a bad B flick. Who could even believe that someone would follow thru on such crazy remarks. And JP killing that huge man with a 4 inch knife! Thats ludicruis. I believe that JP wanted people to think of him as a tough guy. A guy with money. A guy with power. We’ve all known those guys that try to fit in by bragging about how tuff they are or how much money they have or the cool car that Mom and Dad bought them. (I believe thats a sign of a very insecure person.) And that he was going to show all these people that he’d bragged to about wanting to kill that he could do “it” and get away with murder.
And Tina I also agree with you. I too cant help feel sorry for Alex and JP. To wake up every morning and know that this is it. The realization must be devastating! So soooo sad….
I would like to see proof of the injuries that both of these murderous twerps suffered while in the process of defending themselves by killing this huge, ‘mad bull’.
I’m going to guess there is no proof of any injuries, because that story is not believable. Someone please direct me to any news reports of any physical injury to either POS.
Yes, I would be shocked to witness someone stabbing someone else to death, even if it was self-defense. What I would not do is decapitate and blowtorch the victim, nor stand around and watch someone else do it.
For all of the supporters of these murderers, please address that. How, in fact, does someone decide and be capable of carrying out the decapitation and blowtorching of a victim AFTER you’ve murdered them?
How can you explain that they admitted to planning to murder the victim the day before? How can you ‘plan’ to commit ’self-defense’ in advance?
I don’t feel sorry for either of these losers, other than sorry they didn’t get the DP.
Demonizing the victim is rarely a convincing defense. And it doesn’t change the facts behind what the POSs proved they were capable of. The victim was a bad person who deserved to be killed? Because he did/sold drugs/alcohol, had a weapon and was big and threatening?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the POSs were also using drugs/drinking, they had weapons… and they USED them. To decapitate and blowtorch another person. How does that make them any better than the victim?
Supporters of murderers make my brain hurt.
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Alex is my brother in law’s cousin. I went to high school with an older relative of the deceased. From what I’ve heard about Alex, he was not at all a bad kid. Based on my experience and looking at the facts in as unbiased a way as possible Alex is guilty of conspiracy at the low end. At the high end, he was present at a murder that he knew full well was going to take place. That’s murder 1. So to cinch the case the prosecution gives him murder 2 for testimony against JP. Now about Sorenson. Shows up dressed up like a mobster to shake down a kid for $40,000 who isn’t there and he gets ambushed and murdered. No, I’m not losing sleep over this incident. Three punks who are where they need to be now.
I like your comment :], but JP shouldn’t be in jail though, i love himmm.
Just because someone has a heart and feels sorry for a murderer does not mean that they support them. My point was that there are no winners in this sick game . Everyone lost!
When I hear the details from the crime it sounds like some cheesy b flick, just so hard to believe that someone could actually cut a human into peices and then play with his head!@# its just crazy. Maybe thats what there defense should of been, insanity, cause thats the most insane act I’ve ever heard of.
Bottom line I do feel they are where they need to be, but that doesnt change the fact that I feel bad for them. I feel bad for the victim I feel bad for all of the parents. Has anyone heard if theyve been sentenced yet?
Letkemann got 20 – 30 plus 3-5 for mutilation of a corpse. A VERY high price for his part. JP will be sentenced on the 12th of May, My guess is he will get life with no possibility of parole.
woooowww. All I have to say, wow.
Attributing anyone’s lack of a socially acceptable moral system to being an atheist is a cop out. Your statement, “If you weren’t an atheist, then you would know something about the Ten Commandments,” is horribly ignorant. It suggests that anyone without knowledge of the Ten Commandments is an atheist, which is absurd. There are many religions and ways of living that are highly moral outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
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You have got to be the biggest idiot on this board. If you do not believe in the 10 commandments or heaven or hell, then there are no consequences to your behavior. I believe that is the point, but you have such narrow minded I know everything tunnel vision, you are to freaking stupid to realize it. If you believe you are dead and thats it, what is the point of doing aything you do not want to do. Just do whatever the hell you want.
And this other BS about some women killed her kids in the name of god and some
Catholic had sex with some kids. Have you ever heard of perverts and the clinically insane. Just because someone says there a Christian, it does not mean they are. Usually the first thing people say is “No officer I would not do that I am a Christian” Hell, Charles Manson said he was Jesus!!!!!!!
He can’t possibly be Jesus. I’m Jesus.
What the heck… you can’t be Jesus, I’m Jesus.
Now that everything is said and done I would like to see Letkemann’s supporters get a release early petiton signed by as many US citizens as possible and have the governor pardon him. His sentence was extremely harsh for his part. Come On lets be Realistic here!!!!!!!.I can see no more than 1-5 years maximun for his role.
Since JP said during this testimony that Alex did not help him kill Dan Sorensen (he just stood there like “a deer in the headlights”) — he basically backs up Alex’s testimony, with the exception that Alex admitted that JP had discussed killing Dan and it was premeditated.
I don’t believe that Alex believed that JP would go through with it.. plus, via a statement and letter that Letkemann’s parents released to the media — Alex had been doing drugs for an entire week before the murder.
Granted, drug usage is not a defense but if you are NOT an active participant in the murder and dismemberment.. I think it needs to be a mitigating factor. Alex was drugged out and didn’t believe JP was serious. When JP went behind Dan and slit his throat — Alex was shocked. (even JP said that Alex was “shocked).
I agree that Alex should be spending maybe 1-5 yrs in jail.. Honestly, I do not think he is a menance to society and I think he is redeemable. He seems like a good kid that got mixed up in drugs and hooked up with the wrong guy. JP knew he picked a great target for an accomplice, since he knew that Alex was using mind-altering drugs and was in a stupor.
I doubt that any petition will get Alex released early however. That plea deal is pretty much set it stone.
It is excessive, in my opinion. Normally, I am tough on crime but I watched this entire trial gavel to gavel and truly believe Alex… it sucks that he won’t get out until he is at least 38 yrs old. VERY sad.
I do not believe his is redeemable even if he isn’t a “menace to society.” Either way, the kid would be coming out of there FUCKED up in the brain. Either because he IS cold blooded killer, or he saw something that scared him shit less and he will never be the same again. Needless to say, I don’t feel like wasting tax dollars on someone that assisted in murder, but now is getting out early and needs psychiatric treatment because of what he “innocently witnessed.” Seriously, get a fucking brain.
JP DID NOT SLIT DANS THROAT, all the wounds to the next were post-mortem (inflicted after death). the medical examiner proved, one more inconsistency in Alexs story.
On that note, Alex does in fact seem like a amazing peaceful young man, with an impeccable taste in music (: On his younger sister, amandas, myspace there are 2 heartfelt blogs that crushed my heart.
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I sat here and read damn near almost every comment about this case, like I do all others on this page, but chose to comment quit often on this one. Why you ask? Ah, let me inform you. The amount of people in support of these boys is insanity. Just because they appeared to be “good people” doesn’t mean they were. I am the daughter of a murder victim and a personal victim of sexual abuse. Who did this you ask? My step-father. Gee, we all really thought he was such a swell guy. (Hence the reason my mother decided to entire into the sacred bond of marriage with him) but damn, he killed my mom. Damn, he raped and sexually assaulted me as a child. But hey, to all you people that knew him, but didn’t REALLY know him… he was a great guy. Super charming, very giving, church goer, always smiling and laughing. But who knew that this man had secret desires to kill his wife in cold blood, and dump her body in a ditch in the middle of January. Who thought this man would sexually assault his 5 year old step daughter, knowing that she couldn’t possibly defend herself against a grown man. My point is, stop defending someone who did a horrible thing, and doesn’t feel any remorse about it, just because you saw them as a “good person”. Like I’m sure most all of have already heard in this lifetime… “Looks can be deceiving.” and “You think you know a person..” “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.” Do you think these quotes came from people who were just sitting in the yard cutting grass with scissors? I’m pretty sure there was some FIRST HAND experience there. Stop denying reality and wake up and smell the TRUTH. Some of the comments INFURIATE me to the point that I want to actually scream into the computer. (Do you have any idea how my supervisor would feel about that?) Needless to say, life is full of surprises. Go to your local library and check out the book “The Sociopath Next Door.” I read it, and frankly, it scared the living shit out of me. Good luck to all of you on your journey to finding a brain.
Not ALL of you, the consistent bloggers to this website (Glorybug etc..), are all amazing people with outstanding morals and opinions.
so you’re saying that just because you were sexually abused, all criminals are evil? talk about being narrow minded.
You’re obviously an illiterate idiot, john. What I was saying was that just because he seemed innocent doesn’t mean that he was. I also provided an example, which was my step father and the situation we found ourselves in. And you call me narrow minded? Find a fucking brain that works idiot.
Lauren,
I am so sorry to hear of your Mothers murder and your sexual abuse but hon you really need to get into counseling and address your anger issues.
Good luck!
Laurin- your comments make perfect sense.
I know plenty of people who think my a-brother is a great, stand-up ‘Christian’ guy. The fact that he physically assaulted me until I moved out in my teens, and habitually attempted to molest me means nothing to me. What it means to me is that he has proven he has the capacity for criminal behaviour that not all people are capable of.
People love to juggle numbers. It may be true that a high number of people who have been assaulted/molested as children end up convicted of offenses, but those numbers can be manipulated. In fact, of the people assaulted/molested as children, MOST do NOT go on to assault or molest anyone. In fact, those numbers are very similar to the numbers of people who were never assaulted/molested, yet choose to assault/molest/kill other people.
Numbers can be slanted any way you desire.
I honestly think people who are prone to excusing murderous behaviour on drug use, peer pressure or past abuse have never personally experienced those things… so they’re just projecting. Anyone who has used drugs, experienced peer pressure or abuse- and has not sat by while someone beheads a person would KNOW that none of those things have anything to do with this crime. Anyone with any experience regarding drugs knows that drugs do not CREATE behaviour- they only exaggerate most of the negative tendencies those people ALREADY had. Which is why ALL people who do drugs do not commit crimes, only people who already had the capacity to do so commit them.
As Sharon said, you might need counseling to deal with coping with your mother’s murder and your abuse…. but not for anger issues. You rightfully have a reason to be angry- same as the victim’s family (in this case) have a right to be. It might surprise people to realize that the victim is the person who got tortured and beheaded- not the spoiled-rotten, bratty POSs who actually committed this crime and deserve the strongest sentence legally possible.
Enough of the ‘perpetrator as victim’ shit already, eh?
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We read day after day about horrendous crimes against innocent children. We read about rapes, murders and even about people having sex with their dogs… the crimes are disgusting and endless.
We have so called friends and family members of the crims telling us how they are such GOOD people. How they are so misunderstood and have had terrible lives.
They make excuse after excuse.
We read this shit daily and we are expected to not get angry about it?
All they do is enable the crim and try to villify the victim.
Yeah we are angry, and with every reason.
what is currently going on with orlewicz’s case? did anyone actually personally know him, and did he have any good attributes?
Good attributes? Are you kidding me?
Let me start off by saying that I in NO way condone what JP and Alex did. Murder is never okay, it hurts everyone involved. And I’d really rather not see either one of them get out of jail anytime soon, I live in Plymouth/Canton and I don’t really want to run into either of them.
BUT. I believe the question was whether someone actually knew him, and you obviously don’t. Do you even live near where this whole thing happened??? I just don’t think you have any room to talk. I mean, you seem to have a lot of good attributes, aka you seem like a real dumb bitch who has nothing better to do than attack some girl you don’t even know about something you know nothing about. Pretty mature.
I’m not defending JP, but I’m just saying that you can’t exactly call that one girl out on what she said about him because she obviously knew him better than you do. But I do think he should be in jail, I don’t really give a fuck that she lovesssss him soooo much- that has nothing to do with the fact that he killed someone.
You should probably just shut your mouth because I’m sure that you date such amazing people, and that all your friends are perfect. Oh and, you’ve never made any bad descisions.
I’m just sick of reading all these comments of you attacking this girl instead of defending your point with valid statements. I came on this site to actually learn something besides the fact that you have nothing intelligent or important to say. Calling her a cunt and telling her she’s dumb doesn’t exactly do that. Learn your shit, get a life, or just shut up.
Saying all that, thanks to all the people who actually wrote facts down. There are so many rumors around here about what actually happened, I was really curious to hear any real information.
Rachel, don’t listen to Amy, she’s and ignorant cunt, Jp is the most amazing person, Alex was pretty chill too as long as he was high.
&& yeah, me and my friend Amandaa up there knew them all.
Ignorant? Cunt? Yea, yeas, he was soooooo amazing. Sooooo wonderful. Man,im gonna invite him over for tea and scones tomorrow night. And after that maybe we could go and massacre something together. Murder always leaves me feeling soooooo sweet, and wonderful.
Grow up you stupid girl. Murder is not the act of someone wonderful.
Well then it makes sense that neither Jean nor Alex are murders…
so stop talking hard with the keyboard. Are you really that lonley that you have to go bash on two of the most wonderful boys I’ve come across, who you’ve never really met.
Aside from that, the reputation the media has given alex and jean makes me sick, Jean especially. They make him out to be some sadistic muderer with a bloodlust problem. I can honestly tell you all that’s not the case.
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Did we read the same story? You do know what he did dont you? So either your a dumb fucking bitch, or you think murder is just like, sooooo cool.
Uh, no. I didn’t read* the case. That’s my point, I muchhh more involved with this case than you, it’s personal. And yeah, murder’s so rad (8
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“two of the most wonderful boys I’ve come across”
You don’t get out much do you Maddy.
lame
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Ok…so your a dumb fucking bitch…
ahha, gottemnigga. you can’t say shit. you have grammatical skills of a 10 year old by the way.
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Hmmmm ok, whatever you say dear. But your still a dumb fucking bitch and trying to deflect attention from that fact by having a go at me is not going to change that.
Erm… okay? Not totally sure of what you’re trying to say, but alright.
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That makes sense. You cant write a coherant sentence, so obviously you wouldnt be able to read one either. Maybe you should take up an English Literature course at Uni.
Alright, people need to stop talking shit about Jp, and Alex, even though he was a dick to me sometimes; none of you people know the kind of person Dan REALLY was,he was nothing like the “victim” you saw on the news, he was a cold-hearted narrow minded pervert. and Amanda’s right, Jp is hot :] AND SHE’S NOT A WHORE, trust me. but that girl Amy, I don’t think she really knew Alex and all that because I’ve never heard of her….
Your right i never knew him. That is because i do my best to step over dog shit…not in it.
Honestly I would rather take my size 9 1/2 wide steel toe and step on their necks for a few hours and not over them. All they deserve.
@Maddy JP and Alex are scum. They deserve to be used as sex dolls in prison by the entire population. They will then kill themselvs. That is all they deserve. Nothing more or less. They deserve to suffer. They deserve pain and humilation.
You wont get any arguements from me Mulch!
No matter how you dissect it, Amanda’s still a disturbed WHORE who has a weird “thing” for baby-faced, cold-blooded, thrill killers, and Alex & JP will soon be pushing up daisies after repeatedly getting fudge-packed on a regular basis.
Deal with it.
OR- i’m in love with an articulate, beautiful, eminent young man who got mixed up with the wrong guy(i.e Dan)….. but what the fuck do i know.
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Is that a trick question? No you dont know fuck all about fuck all. Your a silly little tramp. Grow up!!
Articulate? Yet he couldnt use his words to talk to this man?
Beautiful? WTF are you thinking? I dont know what the world is coming to with girls being attracted to shaggy boys. I can only pray for my girls (I cant say that enough because of this story)
Eminent? Uhm, the only reason he is “eminent” is because he chopped someones head off and got on the evening news.
Im starting this is some sort of unrequited love. This boy probably didnt give this girl the time of day when he was a free man..and I use man loosely…now, shes using PYSIH to satisfy something in her head by trying to make complete strangers that they were luvahs or something. What a sad lonely little girl, please go get some help. Im sure they make a pill for whatever ails you, and from what I read they would hesitate to give you some.
Ok so I appear to be the queen of typos tonight.
Let me correct.
Im beginning to THINK this is some sort of unrequited love….
Trying to make people BELIEVE they were luvahs or something….
and WOULDNT hesitate to give you any.
yeah, i just grew up with him, right? but i don’t know shit about him and he never noticed me… i think that would’ve made our sex life pretty awkward….
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That naughty, naughty Dan. What was he thinking ,ruining poor Alex and Jeans lives by making them plan and execute a beheadding. And his own at that!!! Yes, im afraid its all the murder victims fault.
THANK GOD YOU NEVER SPAWNED WITH HIM.
Thats all the world needs; another baby born into a world full of retarded hoodlums.
Erm…i was being sarcastic Min_Duhh. I actually think these two are absolute scum and need to fry, and so do thier little ‘groupies’ who seem to think murder is cool.
Sorry Amy, I was responding to Amanda, Queen of the DimWits.
ahhhaha Min_Duhh! That is fuckin’ funny; but you know you shouldn’t talk to your superiors like that. and uhm… we’re not “hoodlums”, that word died in the 50’s
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You may or may not be hoodlums…but you are without doubt retarded.
That’s must be why I got accepted to Columbia University, but who’s the one with nothing better to do than fight with an 18 year old while she’s do her social sciences paper, hm… not me!
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Maddy, just for the record, no one believes you. You may think you are smart, you may think you are superior, but trust me, little girl, you are nothing. And I bet deep down, you know that.
So, why not focus on actually becoming something? Look at the world around you and realize that it does not revolve around you. Be proud of whatever accomplishments you have actually made – don’t make shit up in some pathetic attempt to look better than you are. We are mostly older, smarter, wiser, and have more real world experience than you. And you don’t fool us.
Now go run along and study. Maybe someday you could REALLY be accepted by Columbia.
and who exactly is my superior?
I certainly hope you aren’t referring to yourself as being superior to anyone; you may try to act intelligent, and that’s not hard with a thesaurus and dictionary handy. However; maybe you should include a grammar check in your basket of handy-dandy intelligence boosting aides.
Hahahah. 18!!! WOW!!! Your 18!!! Im fucking impressed. And University??? OMG!!!
Now fuck off and grow up a little. Come back when you have some LIFE experience. Because right now your just a silly little girl trying to tell others, who have already been to Uni and actually lived life and made and learned from their mistakes, that you are so much better than them. You are noone…nothing…nada. Just a murder junkie with a few big words to throw around.
Great. First they’re killing people off and now they’re killing words off. Will the carnage ever end.
I think she meant “Columbia County Community College”, if there is such a place.
I don’t think Columbia University admits stupid assfaces to their student body. I’m pretty sure you have to be able to write a complete meaningful sentence to attend the university, and I have yet to see anything knowledgable from this girl.
Ok let’s just be honest- you’re making comments on a website titled “People You’ll See In Hell.” Did you expect the people on here to love Alex and JP?
… Didn’t think so. It’s cool you think he’s hot, but if you want to defend him put real info. on here to help his case, not some bullshit no one cares about.
Oh boy, another stupid bitch who thinks with her snatch. I saw all I needed to know about JP and Alex on CourtTV during JP’s trial. I don’t care if Dan was the second coming of Adolph Hitler – he was ambushed by those 2 little punks, then beheaded, burned and dumped liked yesterday’s garbage. So fuck JP & Alex, and fuck you too Maddy, you brainless douchebag. What does it take for people like you to feel the pain of the victims and their families? What’s missing from your brain. Didn’t you see the hurt that came from Dan’s father’s heart during the reading of the verdict. And still he asked everyone to pray for the JP’s and Alex’s families. You could learn so much about being a real human being from those people, because right now you haven’t got a clue.
I am an immigrant to this country. I escaped rwanda in 94 when the genocide was taking place. Unfortunately i lost my childhood friend in an incident ressemblinp what jp and alex did.
So living in this great nation to find out that an incident that rekindles memories of my past has taken place for the sake of 1OObucks…..
these kids dont deserve life
Thanks for sharing sir.
And if no one has said in the past I am sorry and please let me be the first:
Welcome to our home. Welcome to our country. The greatest nation on earth!
God Bless you and all alike thee
I pray that your future is brighter than your past Ruben. God Bless.
for one…fuck you man, you can’t compare what jp and alex did to a fucking genocide. and for 2, Americans not that great of a nation, you’d have to be blind or just retarded not to see that. I am genuinely empathic for you and any other victim from the genocide, but you can’t just say they don’t deserve life. At one point JP was the only thing that kept me alive. neither you nor 98% of the motherfuckers on here know JP or Alex, and you don’t know everything that was going on.
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HOLY SHIT! Did you guys read that this little tramp said about the US?
“[America's] not that great of a nation, you’d have to be blind or just retarded not to see that.”
I would love to ship this ungrateful little idiot off to Rwanda or the Congo or even Venezuela or Cuba for a few weeks and then ask her stupid, sorry ass how terrible America is.
Amanda, the blind, retarded one is you. You have no damned clue how hard people have worked to allow you to have the freedom to even say your stupid shit. You do know that in many countries saying something like that could get you killed? No, I guess somehow I knew you didn’t know that.
If you were my daughter I would slap you for that comment. Thank God my daughter appreciates what she has, but then again, she was not allowed to be a selfish little brat, as you clearly are.
Thanks Amy and right back @U(the God bless part). If all of us at least
tried to follow the most basic of Christian morals there would be a lot less psychos,not only killers, but those who act like groupies to killers sayn their hot and all. Seriously folks, murdererswith a fanbase? People who get turned on by beheaders are cold blooded themselves.
Now does anyone have the latest news regarding these 2 demons as of around nov- dec 2008? Any further confessions etc….?
The Bible tells us that ‘God is love,’ and the most important thing Jesus told us to do was to ‘love thy neighbour.’
If everyone could show love, the world would be a fantastic place to live in.
FUCK CHRISTIANS, but most of all fuck you two. most serial killers come from christian backgrounds, so shove those Christian morals up your ass and get your head out.
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No, no…fuck you mandaa. Fuck you VERY much.
Is that so, Mandaa? Most serial killer’s come from Christian backgrounds? Bundy never mentioned religion, Neither did Gacy, Andrei Chikatilo was in communist Russian, Henry Lee Lucas – not religious – in fact, it would be easier to list the ones that were religious psycho’s than to list the ones where it was just about the killing.
You’re not very bright, are you Mandaa? Then again, the guiltier people are, the stupider their supporters are. And JP and Alex are very, very guilty.
Well… HITLER, for one… Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Bruce Lee, David Berkowitz (Corbis), Adam Berwid, The Yorkshire Rapier, Donald Miller, Sampson Kanderayi ( The Ax Killer), Coral Eugene Watts, Ed Gein, Andrew Cunanan, I would continue but it’s bed timee
Bundy was Mormon and Gracy was Roman Catholic by the way…
(so shove it up your ass)
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Well if they were TRUE Christians instead of a buch of wankers giving lip service to make themselves look good, then they wouldnt be out murdering people would they Maaaannnndddaaa?
Hitler was religious? if you call belief in the occult and astrology, among other things, religious, well yeah, then you’re right. And we were talking about what DRIVES these serial killers. Berkowitz recently admitted he made the whole “Son Of Sam” thing up – he was just in it for the killing. Gacy was a sexual sadist (your kind of guy – too bad he liked boys). So was Bundy – nothing religious about that. Ed Gein had a Mommy complex. Dahmer wanted sex slaves. I could go on, but I’m working off the top of my head, not Googling a list of serial killers like you did.
Don’t fuck with me about shit you know nothing about, because I’ll eat your lunch. Columbia indeed……
No, we were talking about their religious backgrounds, and all came from that christian bullshit.
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*sigh* I know you think I’m an asshole, and that’s fine. What you don’t know is I’m a hard ass because I don’t want to have to do a story about you, or Will, some fucking day. Believe what you want, but that’s how it is.
Maybe someday, when you’re up against same choice these two guys faced, or, God forbid, you’re standing in front of the judge who’s got your life in his hands, you’ll remember that dumbass on that stupid website who told you this would happen.
-this is only to Max the Cat, so i don’t need ALL your dick headed comments.
well, that doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to talk all this shit about JP, i don’t even care about Alex anymore. But JP, i love him, he was like a brother- in someways. knowing that i’ll never be able to lay on his chest and feel like nothing matters, or play with his hair while falling asleep, or just doing nothing all summer with him kills me. it’s bad enough this is the only thing i can think about 80 precent of the time, all these people’s ignorant comments, like ” …the first ten convicts that get to him can rape him silly.”, doesn’t exactly help the fact i want to drive my car into a brick wall.
And i can guarantee my life will never rest in the hands of a judge nor will you have to write a story about me, can’t speak for Will though…
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Hey amanda…. fuck you. i know you want in my pants, no reason to be ashamed, it’s only natural. just forget about jp.
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uhm, not even close, sorry Will. (you’re the one that wants in my pants according to your sister)
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Awww, look.
Some creepy kind of murder junkie hook-up is going on right before our eyes.
Wheres the soap when you need to wash your eyes so badly?
Oh God please let them be sterile.. If every they are able to get any genital to genital contact.. Please stop the cycle..
Sadly they will breed ( inbreed?), thus providing us with our next generation of misfits and fuck ups.
Jesus, Amanda… just do it, already!! Instead of filling up so much space with this “I’m so sad my beloved jp is in jail, I want to kill myself” bullshit, just do it! You won’t… Know why? You’re weak.
You’re riding on this because you want the attention… JP probably didn’t even know your name! You probably invented this whole romance in a feeble attempt for all of us to turn our topic of conversation to you… and it worked… And now it’s a bunch of empty threats of being suicidal and wanting to ram your car into a pole or something dumb… Do it. Seriously. Maybe then your hearthrob JP would know you exist.
Oh My Jeez! Did this half-wit just say “But JP, i love him, he was like a brother- in someways. knowing that i’ll never be able to lay on his chest and feel like nothing matters, or play with his hair while falling asleep, or just doing nothing all summer with him kills me” after saying “yeah, i just grew up with him, right? but i don’t know shit about him and he never noticed me… i think that would’ve made our sex life pretty awkward….”–
I don’t know about anyone else; but I don’t –nor, have I EVER, thought of my brothers in ANY sexual way WHATSOEVER–let alone actually have a “sex life” with them.
Geez, you seriously need to get some help. Not only are you a suicidal idiot for thinking about crashing into a wall for any reason, but you are also pseudo-incestuous and a murder groupie. I will reiterate, they make pills for that kind of stuff, and you my dear, NEED SOME yesterday. I’ll even pay for them for you.
Amanda, it wasnt us who caused your pain. It was jp. He committed a hineous crime. He ruined his own life.
C’mon…you expect society to sit back and say that because someone, somewhere loved him that he shouldnt be named and shamed over and over again?
Put it this way, if someone had murdered him…hacked him to peices on the floor of a garage, wouldnt you be as angry as we are?
No we didnt know him personally, but we know his type. I was a victim of someone with no regard for human life. I was almost murdered. Just happens im a strong willed person who refuses to quit and just die. And i cant help but get angry when people like jp callously take another human life just because they can.
Self defense? Bullshit. They attacked an unwitting, unarmed man. They planned it out and sat in wait for him. Thats not something good people do.
Im sorry that others have had to suffer because of jp’s actions ( this includes you ). All i can say is, your young, and while you feel right now that what you feel wont pass, it will. You may always miss your friend. But the day will come when it doesnt hurt so much. I applaud your ability to stand by your friend when no one else will. Good friends are hard to come by and he doesnt deserve your loyalty. But we dont deserve to be bad mouthed and condemned by you for being appalled and disgusted by his actions.
Please get some help Amanda. Get some counselling. I really think you need it. And no, im not tryingto be a smart ass.
I do not see anything saying that Alexander Letkemann touched the victim that was killed he my have helped hide the bodies but i dont see that he killed him it was all JP
Alex was involved in the planning. He intended to be involved in the killing but freaked out. He then was involved in the attempted cover up. It’s immaterial whether he touched the victim during the killing. He is as guilty as JP.
these guys are gona make some good fuck dolls in prison. i hope they know how to wash boxers and socks in a toilet cuz if they fuck up their hubbies shit they will get no lube style that night after lights out. and for you hoes who like these little punk bitch boys come here for some real man cock and i will show you whats up.
Oh my…..
Like wow, Huh Amy?
There’s no screwing around when you say something, eh Victor? This is how it is, and fuck the world if somebody doesn’t like it. I can dig it man.
I’ll say.
ha… you fucking wishhh you were half the man jp and alex are
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No Mandaa I think what you meant to say was that you can probably make half a man with JP and Alex. I mean, get real Mandaa, there’s not a lot to work with to start.
Mandaa,
My dog back home is more a man than JP and Alex. In fact no shit, there’s more of a man in you’re name than in JP and Alex.
I’m twice the man that JP and Alex are. Hmmm….. Does that make me equal to 4 men?
you guys sound really insecure considering you’re bashing on 2 men you’ll never meet
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Men? JP & Alex aren’t men. They never were. They were little boys playing big people games, and now they’re little girls playing some dude’s wife.
you know this because you know jp and alex so well, right? you’re the one who grew up with jp, you’re the one who’s spent everyday with that kid since ‘98… right? you’re then one who spent endless nights talking to him on the phone until 6am about every and any problem, you’re the one who could count on him for literally everything, you’re the one that cried on his should all night when you and your boyfriend broke up, then beat your ex’s ass for hurting you, right? Oh wait…. that’s me. You’re the pompous asshole who has to degrade people who you’re intimidated by as an indication of your “manliness”
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Oh sweetheart please, I wish I knew your Mom and Dad, because you are one messed up young girl, and they probably don’t have a clue about it. You see, real men don’t kill people “to see what it feels like”. Real men don’t help their friend dispose of a body in exchange for writing off a $150 debt. Real men don’t sneak up on another person and stab that person in the back. Real men don’t make up stories in court that blame the victim (the dead victim) for his own death. A real man never takes what doesn’t belong to him, and he doesn’t allow others to do it either.
This is what real men are supposed to do. If a real man’s friend comes to him and asks him to help kill another person, he does everything in his power to stop his buddy from doing it and ruining his life. A real man always tells the truth, in court or anywhere else. When a real man makes a mistake, or commits a crime, he doesn’t try to weasel out of it. He faces what he did a takes the consequences of his actions like a man should. And most important, a real man never take a life unless it is in defense of himself, his family or his friends, and even then, only if there is no other choice.
When Alex and JP killed Danny, all those pretty things that they said and did, became a big pile of nothing. Those guys don’t exist any long. They’ve been replaced by the Alex and JP that are serving long prison terms today. The old Alex and JP are dead, buried and gone – done in by their own hands, the same hands that took Daniel Sorenson’s life.
Amanda, Why on earth would we possibly be intimidated by these two catchers?
I know Max has had to deal with alot harder people than JP and his girlfriend Alex. Tito has just come back from the war. You know that small incident that’s happening across the other side of the world where men constantly shoot at each other. Yeah I can see him being scared of bum bandit 1 and bum bandit 2.
The reasons you and all of their friends are so pissed off at us is that deep down you know we are speaking the truth. No matter how great frinds to you they where, they are pieces of shit. You also know that the rest of the world sees them for what they are and we are voices of the majority. It upsets you that your friends let you down and that you will be seen as pieces of shit by your association. Well the more you tell people that they are your friends, how wonderful they are and make excuse after excuse for them just brings that condemnation upon your shoulders.
Now we could debate back and forth on their good and bad points but that would be fruitless, instead I would rather stick to the facts.
The most pertinent fact at the moment is that JP and Alex are in Hell right now and both you and I know they wont be leaving it for quite some time. The Hell that I speak off is prison with grown men. Hardend men. Men with nothing to lose. Whilst they are in this Hell it is also a FACT that JP and Alex are being used up and spat out by these men like the worthless little scum they are. Unlike many of the posts of a funny nature eluding to them having to be Bubbas’ bitch wifey, I’m going to give it to you straight. It isn’t just one guy that will be fucking them like they are in some kind of twisted little jailhouse romance, no. They will be being passed around from guy to guy. They will be pack raped by groups of men. These men don’t care if it hurts your friends, infact they will get off on them being in pain during these ordeals. That is the truth of the matter. Deep down you know it is. It is time you faced up to the truth. I know it hurts but lashing out at us doesn’t make it go away. pretending it’s not happening doesn’t make it stop. Infact there is nothing you can do to make this nightmare end for your friends and you know it. You may not want to admit it but you know. You know it when you’re all alone with no one else to lash out at. When it’s just you and you thoughts, you know what is happening to them right at that moment. When you lay your head down to go to sleep but you can’t because you know what is happening to JP and Alex. Wave after wave of gross, disgusting, sweety men performing all of these wicked, depraved acts on your friends. Using them like they are nothing, treating them like objects and you KNOW there is nothing you can do to help them. It makes you feel small doesn’t it. It makes you feel weak, insignificant, worthless because you can’t do anything to help your friends. You know what is happening to them and you can’t stop it.
Sweet dreams.
All of you defenders of these two need to snap into the reality that JP has been getting gang raped since his first night in prison. On the other hand, Alex hasn’t been getting raped. As a weak little boy (both physically and mentally) like him, when told to give an inmate a blow job he will be drop to his knees quicker than a $2 hooker.
jp MY BEST FRIEND, i visit him daily and make him cookies and read him storys and am glad he did what he did. pull the big head out of the asse`s people
laugh, you forgot to add those other ’special’ things you do for jp…like shining his knob on a regular basis.
id shine his knob
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Do you bring him cakes with files baked in them too?
Nincompoop.
Clearly you’ve never been interrogated; the police will tell you whatever you need to hear in order to get you to comply. Alex is an ignorant little bitch. If he would’ve went with JP, neither one would be where they are
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If I was afraid of someone, I wouldn’t let them come to my home. Homeboy was there because they invited him over. Why did they do that? Unless it was planned.
“homeboy” was there to extort like 30 grand from a fucking kid
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In the reports it indicates that homeslice told his old lady that he was leaving so that he could come up on 3 g. Not 30 g. Are you saying he was going to come up on 30g?
Even then, he had a gun and bullets move faster than a knife, unless you can catch someone slipping. Something doesnt make sense.
Even still, you have to be fairly ruthless to decapitate someone.
Sorry- wrong numbers. 3g. And i’m not for sure, but i believe you’re talking about dan having the gun and bullets? Accordingly, Dan dropped the gun after jp stabbed him. I agree- it takes some shit to decapitate someone then burn them, but that’s where self preservation comes in to play- JP feared Dans “mobb” family was going to kill him if they found out.
“Self-preservation is the first law of nature. ”
-Samuel Butler
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stop being judgmental, I mean like… you don’t know shit about them so idk how you could gather the conclusion they should be sex dolls and suicide cases.
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Let me ask you something, Maddy. What is it that compels you to come on this website and defend two admitted murderers? Are you that lost in life? What are you, about 15? I truly hope you open your eyes, or you are gonna be like one of those sad women who sits around writing letters to prisoners because you can’t figure out how to relate to people in the real world. Your friends sawed a dude’s head off. They didn’t do it in self defense, it was planned out- they even had a tarp on the floor. You are a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. Unless, there is some kind of proof that we are missing out on. Other than your ridiculous opinions. You are a fucking groupie. You realize that, don’t you? Famous killers always have them. Mindless, stupid little girls ohhhing and ahhhing.
Uhm, I’m 18. And i’m proabaly more grown up than both of you. If you recall the tarps and shit was a “set” for when Adam came over. And I agree that Dan did not deserve to loose his life, but he wasn’t exactly an asset to society, ( i’m not trying to justify what alex and jp did) The reason “their friends were tripping over themselves for their chance to testify against them” is so that they cold get their own asses out of trouble, the same reason Alex went against JP. The MI DA cut a deal with them. I still talk to pretty much all the kids involved; we get high, we talk.
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Maddy, I’m assuming that you are the same Maddy that up above said “but JP shouldn’t be in jail though, i love himmm.” Not really speaking volumes in regards to your maturity level. First, you come on here and defending these guys (although you flip flop and say that Dan did not deserve to die, which is confusing), then, with this last post, you pretty much tell us that yes, this was premeditated, verifying that yes, these two fuckers should be in prison. I don’t even know what point you are trying to make now. I guess you are right- you are so much more grown up than all of us that we can’t even understand what the hell you are trying to say.
You assumed wrong, that bitch sounds young and stupid. Love isn’t a reason for someone to get out of jail. NOBODY deserves to have their live taken away from them, especially at such a young age, I’m justifying that JP had to defend his self, not that Dan should be dead. I never indicated it was premeditated, I said the set was made for the extortion( of Adam Dewy), the whole reason they’re all there in the first place. You’re the only one not understanding because you have the mind capacity of a rodent.
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Little defensive there, Maddy. Now- while your word salad confused me- can you tell me why Alex testified that this was all premeditated (and that the Adam BS was just a trap to lure Dan there) when going along with JP’s self defense BS would have surely resulted in a greater outcome for him in the end? Somehow I just can’t wrap my rodent brain around that- I’m sure you can clear it up for us, though. Also, for future reference, saying things like:
“stop being judgmental, I mean like… you don’t know shit about them so idk how you could gather the conclusion they should be sex dolls and suicide cases.”
also sounds young and stupid. Unless there is yet a third Maddy posting in here.
He testified that it was premeditated so the DA would give him a deal (20-30, 2nd degree). Perhaps you could tell me why, according to Alex, JP slit Dan’s throat first, then stabbed him in the back of the neck, when the medical examiner proved that anything inflicted to the neck/throat area was postmortem, or why Alex told the jury JP didn’t really plan to invite Adam Dewy over, when Adam testified that JP did call and invite him over to his grandfathers house on 2 different days, or why Alex, who everyone seems to have so much trust in on here, changed his story more than 7 times before he went to court?
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Sounds like to me a kid who’s lying to cover his ass, and can’t keep his story straight. Not surprising here. I’m thinking, if 2+2 actually DOES equal 4, than Alex would have gotten a far better deal if he had stuck with the story of self defense. Probably just concealment of a crime/corpse, and the mutilation charge- but I’m betting that they knew that no one would believe that story. We can sit around and speculate here all day, and you and your friends can speculate all day, but in the end the only people that really know what happened were in the room, and I you were no more there than I was. The reality is, they have been to trial, and their fates have been decided. All the mouthing that you guys do here won’t change that. I do have one little question about the case, and I know asking you will be faster than going back and looking for it. Why would JP put a tarp on the floor for Adam? Why do you need a tarp to steal money?
I know you are not asking for it- but take some advice. Distance yourself from the people involved in this case. listening to you and your friends talk reminds me of the idiots that I hung out with as a kid. A lot of them are dead now. Luckily, by the time I was your age, I had moved on. I know that you think you are smarter than everyone here- but as you get out into the world, you will be just like everyone else in it. You will realize that at 18, you still had some serious growing up to do. I don’t care how much you think you have seen in life.
The tarp was there because they were extorting, they were going to make him think if he didn’t give them the money JP, Dan, and Alex were going to kill him.
JP’s going to a hearing on the 24th of April for an appeal, so maybe he’ll only do ten years, probably not, but whatever. and i can’t just let go of my friends.
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That’s kind of what I figured… So the friends that you are defending as good guys were going to scare someone into giving them money by pretending that they were gonna kill him on the day that they ended up ACTUALLY killing someone else. I don’t really buy it, but still sounds like someone who needs jail time to me, don’t ya think? Or maybe you have never been the victim of a theif. If this is what your friends are like Maddy, you won’t need to leave them. They’ll leave you, or screw you over, or end up in jail. I hope you really do take the college thing seriously.
Ah, but I do know them – I watched that trial on court TV, and their friends were tripping over themselves for their chance to testify against them. JP is a psychotic little weasel who ambushed Daniel Sorenson, snuck up on him, cut his throat, stabbed him and cut off his head. Alex is JP’s bitch who got forced into helping to clean up the mess.
Sure, Daniel was a punk, and If I knew him I probably wouldn’t have liked him. Maybe I would have kicked his ass, or he would have kicked my ass, but we would have handled our problems like MEN.
And Daniel’s parents showed that there were the finest kind of people you will ever meet. They deserve to have their son alive, but those two cowards JP and Alex robbed Danny from them.
That’s who JP and Alex are. That’s all I need to know about them. You think they’re cute and every time you see them your clit twitches and to you that means you’re in love. Grow up kid, and make it fast. I don’t want to write about you and your loser boyfriend on this blog someday.
Please forgive the IM Talk.
LMMFAO @ Clit Twitches.
Thats classic, too bad its true way too often nowadays for these little girls who think their old enough to “love” someone.
When love in their book always = some sensation in their pants.
p.s – ( i dont know who is who–and could really care less)
If either one of my daughters brought someone like either of these boys home, I think I would have to handcuff them to something solid in the house. The first kid looks like he could use a barber, but I would hope he would refrain from using the 2nd ones, he looks like he has a bowl cut. I know, I know, looks are so shallow. But Im standing my ground, my girls WILL only bring home the creme of the crop. (I know thats asking alot but its my fantasy, let me tell it)
Oh i hear ya Min_Duhh…i have two daughters and a very big club to beat off any losers.
too bad i’d make you my bitch.
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Hey Max- I don’t suppose it’s possible to check out the IP’s on all these Maddy’s? I’m just curious as to how many there actually are, lol.
Well, I read the articles, and I read the comments.. I even checked out the myspaces.. and even though it doesn’t really matter.. this is what I think..
J.P and Alex may very well have been typical teenage boys.. Hanging with friends, drinking a little (or a lot), smoking a little (or a lot), fighting with other teenage boys (or older men who had the mentality of teenage boys), but the day that they murdered a man, then mutilated, and tried to conceal his corpse, they gave up their right to be typical teenage boys.. They took something that didn’t belong to them – the life of another human being.. The point at which those two should have been required to “learn a lesson” has been tragically passed by miles.. They did one of the worst, most dispicable things someone can do to a human being.. and they deserve to face the consequences for their actions.. There’s no going back now.. Whatever the reason they did what they did, what matters is that they made the decision, and they went through with it… That is all that matters..
For all the girls, and guys who have come to the defense of these two boys- I can understand why you feel the way you do about them, but the cold hard truth is that they commited a crime, and it is the laws duty to protect. When you’re older (and honestly, it doesn’t take a ripe old age to begin to understand how life really is) you will understand why they needed to be punished.. Your love will never change what they are, what they did, and what had to be done..
Ok, so I just read all the comments on this story; and the story itself. And heres my thought. There are all these kids on here defending these morons by saying Dan provided them with Drugs and Alcohol; this story could almost be used by DARE as a drug prevention method.
This dear children is why drugs are illegal. You fucking imbeciles cant control yourselves. You dont know when ENOUGH is ENOUGH. When you cant get what; someone gets beheaded?
This dear children is why alcohol is meant for adults. You think if someone gives you something you shouldnt have they are GODS. But, when they dont give you what you want…theyre going to have hell to pay.
And someone has said it already, but Im going to reiterate–I cant imagine these too geniuses being afraid of this man. They invited him over. They had tarps laid out. They were prepared to murder this man. When Im afraid I curl up in bed and hide under my blanket. I dont confront the very thing Im afraid of–Im petrified of squirrels (laugh all you want, im serious) but I dont invite them into my house. If they really were afraid of Dan, and he really did something wrong; there are people out there to help you. Usually you can go to the police, I think they get paid to take care of intimidating drug dealing/alcohol providing/mobsters in a legal way. But, again, children dont think very clearly…chopping someones head off seems to be a better solution. Another thing that bothers me about all of this. “He had mob connections”, well didnt they think that someone would come after them from the mob after one of their own was beheaded? Im thinking they knew that was a pile of shit….and if they did, that is evidence to show that there wasnt as much fear in these two idiots as they let on. Anyway, to all the girls who are in love with these teen idols; WHY? I seriously feel badly for you all. You know what theyre capable of…what makes you think you would be spared? They arent capable of considering the life of another human being. Heaven forbid you cause them to stub their toe or bump their head one day; we’d all be reading your obituary–if they ever found you.
Amen
“Usually you can go to the police…”
either A) you’re hella old, or B) you’re just an idiot.
if they wouldve wenr to the police they’d be the ones in the ground.
secondly-
“…that someone would come after them from the mob after one of their own was beheaded?”
THAT WAS THE WHOLE FUCKIN’ POINT OF THE BEHEADING AND BURNING! Jesus Christ! If you’re gonna come on here and talk about something, know what the fuck you’re talking about, please?
thridly…
only pussies run from what they’re afraid of, the manly thing to do is confront it- i’m not advocating murder but wouldn’t you rather have this big tough boss guy with youi rather than against you? i have a few people i hang around with for the sole reason of protection or when i have to do something illeagl.
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you don’t HAVE to do something illegal.. you WANT to do something illegal.. The more comments I read from your group, the more I believe that you’re all a bunch of unsupervised children.. WHERE ARE YOUR PARENTS???
Brilliant minjofu. The more I read your comments, the more I dig what you have to say. You are so right about this punk, and the rest of the juvenile delinquents who’ve tried to convince us JP and Alex were railroaded. They’re all just one perp-walk away from joining JP and Alex in the “Big House”.
Hmmm? Either Im hella old or just an idiot? What does being old have to do with knowing that theres ALWAYS another option to a situation than BEHEADING someone. And just an aside; Im older AND smarter than you obviously. Im fluent in “Common Sense” and “LOGIC”, I have the ability to make logical deductions–and murder usually makes the first cut. As for being “an idiot”–Im NOT the one in prison for killing another human being, am I?
Now, in response to your statement about only “pussies running…”. I would rather be a pussy and hide from what Im scared of than inviting it into my home and taking away its life. I just dont understand why you would put yourself in a situation YOU had the ability to avoid. *scratch my head* You, my friend, are the epitome of RETARDED. You will end up right where your “friends” are sometime very soon. I agree with Minjofu–where the eff are your parents? Probably someone should warn them theyre going to lose you to the big wonderful prison system sometime in the near future.
Goddamn teenagers today. Thinking they are absolutely invincible–as long as they are in a group. But seriously take said teenager and get him alone; and I bet you can make him your puppet. Loser.
Yeah there’s better ways to take care of something other than beheading, put taking it to the police sure as fuck isn’t the way most of the time. and i’m not dumb; i go to u of m. so screw you
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Yo, Will, the 60’s are over. You’ve been dropping too much acid, reading too many Hunter S. Thompson books, and watching “Born On The 4th Of July” too many times. You’re stuck in some king of weird ass “Fuck the Police” “Don’t trust anybody over 30″ time warp. There have been major advancements in being ‘cool’ now. Research has shown that most cops are honest guys who are just doing their jobs. They also found that, yeah, our government is fucked up, but it’s the best government we have, so we better try and fix it instead of tearing it down. Oh man, there’s all kinds of new things I could tell you about, but I think it would, like, blow your mind man.
Jees Min_Duhh, can you believe our friend here? You tried to school him a little, but you know what they say, “There is none so blind as he who will not see”. I wonder why he’s so paranoid – Maybe he’s cooking meth in his dorm room at Michigan. Perhaps he has a laptop full of kiddie porn.
Shit, I’m sorry, I should be more serious about this, but I can’t help it. Will is such a cardboard cutout “rebel without a clue”.
I have absolutely no idea why all these kids think lying about where they go to school has any impact on the stories they’re telling.
Most of these kids seem incapable of learning, so why don’t they make their stories more believable like “I go to Baker, or Saginaw Valley Community College” where they let the misfits in by the truckload. Honestly, you and your little friend up above claiming to be a student at Columbia are tarnishing the names of these fine universities. Look at the ways you represent yourselves; like ignorant children who have no want to learn the ways of society. Who have no will to be socially “normal”.
Basically, people who have an urge to fit in with society, don’t defend cold blooded murderers until they’re blue in the face. They don’t come up with every possible scenerio, as far fetched as it may be, to try to get the majority to believe you and say, “well then since this big bad man ‘intimidated’ these poor innocent little boys it was ok to chop his head off and set him ablaze”; well, my U of M attending friend, somewhere in your education you would have had to have some sort of ethics class–and that just isnt kosher in any aspect and nobody one on this earth is going to believe you. Well, except your gang of braindead buddies (must be from all the drugs Daniel provided you with). Spew all the hot air and made up conspiracies for as long as you wish to continue, but in the end these two dipshits will still be in prison and they will still be tagged a murderer.
Let me just ask you this; being as you’re such good friends with these 2. Imagine down the road and you have a family and a professional career–and these two somehow get paroled from prison, would you allow them to stay in your home with your family KNOWING how unstable they are? I know you’ll probably say “yes”, but do me a favor and answer the question down the road when you develop some life experience. Maybe then, your views on the police will have changed too. Heaven forbid something happens to you that you need to use the very people you hold such disdain for. I completely agree with Max, you’re awfully quick to shoot down the idea of going to the police (thank goodness more people dont agree with you; can you imagine society without them–the streets would be full of JP’s and Alex’s and decapitated corpses). If youre not cooking Meth in your dorm room; I rue the day someone comes upon whats really going on in there. Your poor roommate.
i have nothing against with cops, i’m saying snitches get stitches… or embalmed, whatever. And Max… why can you go kill people in a (pointless) war and get looked at as a ‘hero’ but everyones downin’ on Jean? You must have no regard for human life. Like really- think about it… you’re a hypocrite, kind of like um… our government; they killed JFK btw.
In regards to that other bitch, you’re just saying we’re lying about where we go to school because you’re embarrassed and ashamed that you grew up to be a nothing house mom with a high school diploma, if that. kay, so go do the dishes or something.
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Will.. Min_duhh is obviously just sick of hearing this crap.. She’s probably sick of doing the very best she can for her children, trying to teach them right from wrong, and seeing kids like you who act like fools.. I try to be fair, I try to be open minded .. I wasn’t a teenager too long ago, and I still dont know where you kids get this shit.. seriously.. There’s no conspiracy against you, or your generation.. As I see it, your generation is a bunch of spoiled ingrates.. You’ve had it way too good for way too long.. And those people go overseas to fight “pointless wars” so that you don’t have to get your asses blown up in any further “pointless wars”, and so you can continue to do and say the stupid ass things you do and say every single day in a country where your right to be foolish is protected.. So instead of looking on them with disdain, maybe you should just F’ing thank your lucky stars it’s not your ass over there..
You want to prove how grown up, and enlightened you are.. then grow the hell up..
Will, Maybe you should hang around some smart people for the sole reason of correcting your spelling. Says alot about U. of Michigan.
ok? wtf did i misspell asshole?
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ok? wtf did i misspell asshole? What college did you go to? and i’m still a freshmen, so by the time i’m a jr. or sr. i’ll be in the ivy league- so all you dicktips can kiss my white rich grandma-having ass, because you all are nothing
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You don’t need to say anything further than what you just said.. now everyone KNOWS what kind of an idiot you are..
Im confused!?!?!
What does his grandma having an ass have to do with anything?
*scratch my head* my head hurts.
Do me a favor Will? Let me know if you go to Yale? I have a friend would would love to reach out and touch you sometime…
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Max, I think Kitty Sniper may have to travel. This boy would never get into Yale; basically because Yale pretty much only accepts “legacy students” anymore. I dont know for fact, but Im assuming hes not from any kind of Yale Legacy…or any legacy at all.
Will, you are a little asshole and you are full of shit. Your poor white trash ass will be lucky if you can pay for one class at the local junior college. Ivy League my ass. LOL.
Loser, it is freshman, not freshmen. LOL. Ivy League. Ivy League shoe-shiner. *Austin Powers voice* “Right….” Which Ivy-League, bitch? Tell me, so I can laugh some more.
Last I checked, University of Michigan wasn’t Ivy League. I am a Michigan girl thru and thru, but seriously there isn’t anything spectacular about the University anymore. ( I can’t believe I’m saying that–it almost hurts me to the core)
I can’t see you attending U of M to piggyback to a more exclusive university. Im sure it happens on the occasion; however, you dont fit the mold to do so.
Ivy League is for superb scholars who have immense community service recommendations; and frankly, I dont think defending a murderer on a website equals community service. I certainly think that if any Ivy League school read the bullcrap youre posting they would black list you indefinitely.
“i have a few people i hang around with for the sole reason of protection or when i have to do something illeagl.”, Im sure they dont want a wanna be THUG hanging around their serene campuses.
Go back to the drawing board, recreate your online persona with a more believable story and Im sure you wont feel like such a numbskull.
sorry I replied to the wrong message–now I feel like a numbskull
Oh, he’s full of shit, Min_Duhh. No one attends an Ivy League as a transfer. You get in your FreshMAN year and you attend all undergraduate. It’s legacy. If anything, an Ivy League will transfer to another Ivy League on occasion, but if he isnt attending now, he wont be attending later.
He is a little joke who will be lucky if he can get his GED in jail, where he will end up alongside his little butt buddy murdering and petty criminal “mobster-busting” friends.
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LOL. Youre great. Ever thought of a career in comedy?
First, youre comparing what these two nincompoops did to what soldiers do in war?? WTF kind of brain do you have; a non functioning one?
Secondly, I am hardly ashamed of my life, actually, I attended Grand Valley State University. Eh, so its not a big ten school, I still managed to get 3 well respected degrees from that school. I do ALSO have a high school diploma, but I think most people do. I guess I don’t have as big of an imagination as you do, thats why I really attended GVSU and didnt have to make up an education somewhere more exciting.
I have a bachelors of science in Nursing. I have an associates in English, and an associates in secondary education. I am, however, a housewife right now because I chose to put my career on hold for my husband. He makes disgusting amounts of money, that you could only dream of. So, I don’t have to do dishes, I pay someone to do them.
I kid, I kid. I do do my own dishes, but not at the direction of some mentally retarded teenage dipshit.
Why dont you go visit your homeboys in prison this weekend; Im sure theyre getting lonely.
p.s Im kind of disturbed that the only thing he addressed was the education thing…..
I’m kind of concerned about the safety of everyone else in his dorm considering he so casually evaded the subject of what he is doing in there.
I have a good friend who works security at UofM, and I think I should call and discuss my concerns with him.
The only things they’ll find are a purple dildo, a tube of lube, some butt-lovin’ porn, and a baggie of weed..
Bah-dah-BING!
Dirt weed with lots of seeds and stems. Brown, too.
be my guest, they can’t do anything considering i live in my house. I hope you all realize this is fun for me and my friends; getting a rise out of people like you, always trying to be insightful and playing the victims advocate, play by the rules. I never have understood people like you… but please, keep telling me what an asshole i am, or how i’m lying about where i go to school, that’s a good one by the way.
MINJOFU: shut the hell up man… Get off Bush’s tit, he’s gone and he’s not coming back, thank fucking god. I think a lot of you either need to get laid, smoke a joint, or just pull the stick out of your ass.
And why don’t you guys just leave JP and Alex alone? fine young men they are, upstanding citizens indeed.
one last thing, why are all you “mature” “educated” people always one here picking on people? like really….
(this just keeps getting more and more entertaining)
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This is all you have to do with you time troll boy – You’re an even bigger loser than I thought. Here’s a hint – real trolls – the good ones – never let anyone else in on the gag. Most people don’t need to do silly shit like you do to build their ego’s up. They have families, friends, relationships – you know, all the stuff you’ve been left out of since middle school.
Fucking trolls man – the biggest legends in their own minds I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen some shit. This dickhead thinks he actually accomplished something. But we’re the joke…yeah, ok there Willy, you keep telling yourself that….lmao
” MINJOFU: shut the hell up man… Get off Bush’s tit, he’s gone and he’s not coming back” ..
He mentioned me.. gasp.. I feel so honored.. I really do.. OH who to thank? Who to thank?? Well, I guess I’ll start by thanking the public school system for letting kids like you slip through the cracks.. kids who spend more time out back smoking, than reading an actual book.. who create all sorts of drama for themselves because their little lives aren’t nearly as significant without it.. Let’s face it.. without those kids the internet wouldn’t be nearly as full of “lol”s .. I’d also like to thank J.P and Alex who have provided me and many people here with plenty of material to work with through all the idiots they seemed to attract like flies to cat crap.. Thanks everybody.. thanks.. (wipes away a tear)..