As you might expect from a website called “People You’ll See In Hell,” we do get a number of comments with a biblical element embedded within. Sadly, we have yet to have Buddhists, Hindus, Pastafarians, Scientologists, or adherents to the Zoroastrian faith come onto our free website and post how we’re evil. Christians, yes, we get comments from those people all the time.
Here is a sample of the religious comments that we regularly receive - this one from Joseph Vincent Giongo’s entry here on People You’ll See In Hell.
I am aquainted with this family.I have known the grandmother of the boys and some of her children. They are the biggest-hearted, kindest people you could ever dream to meet. I do not know all the details of this tragedy other than what the papers printed, but they are a family all about love and forgiveness. This site is using their tragedy to make money - plain and simple.
For those of you who attack the family for not condemning his actions, he was a man with three kids who was with his wife at least 18 years. They knew him well. They also knew something wasn’t quite right. I am sure they are sad that Bernadette is no longer with them, but they also know she is in heaven and not feeling pain anymore. They are trying to pick up the peices and do what is best for her sons now. They have a long hard road ahead of them and I for one pray that the angels are sent to guard and protect that family. God Bless You.As for the people that are trying to make money on this, you market background checks. If a person had never committed a crime (or got caught for one) they will have a clean background check. Your using this article to scare people into buying a background check is wrong on multiple levels. There are multiple Bible verses that tell us to not be afraid. One verse seemed appropriate to me for this site:
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 10:28
Well, dammit! If you’re not supposed to be afraid of those who kill the body, but not the soul, then why are we even hiring police officers? Why have a military? Why have prisons or jails? After all, when they’re done raping your wife and your children, then they cut your head off with a chainsaw and stuff your dog face-first into your neck, they’re really just doing you a favor by freeing you to go meet the Lord, right?
Well, if you quote bible verses at US, we’ll quote them right back at you, right after this full-color poster that explains the problem that many people have in believing in an almighty being.
While we did go to a private Christian school during our youth, and went to church for way too many years, we’re not the best biblical scholars around. We’ve fallen out of practice. So we’re going to utilize the infidels.org library for our biblical quotations.
Inconsistencies:
GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.
GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah’s Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken (and are taken) aboard the Ark.
GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.
GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.
GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God’s face and live. No one has ever seen him.
GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.
GE 17:1, 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
JG 1:19 Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.
GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.
EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 20:15, 17, LE 19:13 God prohibits stealing, defrauding, or robbing a neighbor.
EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as more than 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of about 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt.
1KI 20:15 All the Israelites, including children, number only 7000 at a later time.
EX 20:1-17 God gave the law directly to Moses (without using an intermediary).
GA 3:19 The law was ordained through angels by a mediator (an intermediary).
EX 20:4 God prohibits the making of any graven images whatsoever.
EX 25:18 God enjoins the making of two graven images.
EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent’s sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent’s sins.
EX 20:13, DT 5:17, MK 10:19, LK 18:20, RO 13:9, JA 2:11 God prohibits killing.
GE 34:1-35:5 God condones trickery and killing.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men.
EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
NU 14:30 God breaks his promise.
EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
1KI 22:21-23 God condones a spirit of deception.
EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
2TH 2:11-12 God deludes people, making them believe what is false, so as to be able to condemn them. (Note: some versions use the word persuade here. The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.)
EX 34:6-7, JS 24:19, 1CH 16:34 God is faithful, holy and good.
IS 45:6-7, LA 3:8, AM 3:6 God is responsible for evil.
EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.
JE 31:34 God does not remember sin when it has been forgiven.
LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.
MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.
Ok, so we think you get the point. There are some, small inconsistencies within the Bible, although we’re pretty sure that it’s due to the scribes, because according to JE 8:8, the scribes falsify the word of God.
And we’re fairly sure there is a counter-verse somewhere in the Bible that says to be afraid of those who kill the body and don’t kill the soul - which would make buying background check services perfectly ok! Oh yeah - if YOU have a website and you would like to sell NetDetective’s background check services, go here and sign up. It’s a great product and they really help you out.
One thing that we are certain of, however, is that we can delight in the punishment of the evil. Because, according to PS 58:10-11, “The righteous shall rejoice when he sees vengeance.”
Carry on.
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Thank you…thank you…thank you. I couldn’t have said it better myself. (Really, I couldn’t).
Sometimes I wonder who I should be more worried about, the scum that you write about on this site or the scum that comes here to defend them.
For those that come here to defend them and bitch about this website, well….your internet browser has a really neat little invention. See that little ‘X’ in the corner of your screen?? Click it.
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It may surprise a lot of people to find out that there are a lot of people who actually read the bible because they find it interesting, and not just when they want to try to find some verse to prove somebody else ‘wrong’ about an opinion they hold.
Admittedly, I did not enjoy it as much when it was rammed down my throat on a daily basis in my strict BAC home growing up. As an adult, and under my own free will, it’s more palatable, even though I do not read it for the religious reasons most other people seem to. I read The New Yorker, too, y’know? And PYSIH.
Pastafarians? Or pastaterians? I may be both! I’ll have to check! Since I read and post here, at the least, you’ve got Animists covered.
I’m not a scientologist, but I do believe in Science. Does that count?
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I’m an idiot. All this time I thought this site was about horror, sarcasm and discussion. I figured the ads were because the site owner needed some way to pay for his hosting costs. Thanks for the heads-up, Acquainted.
You do need to work on your material a little, anonymous’ posts in that thread made me laugh a lot harder than yours. I love reading these kind of comments, but not nearly as much as the admin does. Your fury is good for comments and sells more criminal background checks. Watch the profanity though, it’s hurting this site’s pagerank.
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It makes me happy to see a public counter attack.
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Ah good natured humor is at a loss to some.
I know people are going to flame in these comments, but let’s face it, this post is begging for it.
I am Christian, I studied all types of religion growing up (still growing, I’m 30 now) because I wanted to “know my enemy”. Through all of my reading I learned the similarities between most faiths are so great it’s impossible to pick one, but I choose Christianity (or did it choose me?)because that way I can follow them all, for the most part; Christians do get much more freedom of faith then any other faith in the world. You don’t need to do anything really except follow a particular teacher, and most humans have been doing that all their lives anyway (or the end up on this site). I’m currently reading the Koran for more education, it’s been a great read so far and enlightening beyond what I was expecting. Zorastrianism captivated me for a while in College and friends are interesting me in Buddhism (talk about contradictions).
So I guess since I’m a reader, you do have a larger perspective to people.
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This is why I am an atheist.
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Admin…this was amazing. Really educational and I sincerly appreciate it. I give kudos to the people who took the time to put that together.
I’m stoked that some of the bible thumping will finally have some reason thrown back in their face, all though I’m sure they will have some torches lit to fight back.
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my theory on religion… never has something promised so much, delivered so little and killed so many
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Wow. I am in awe of all of y’all. I thought I was fairly intelligent but y’all proved me wrong. hahahhaha. (and that was NOT sarcasm). I’m serious. That stuff admin wrote had my mouth hanging open!! OMG!! Now I’m questioning my faith. Weird huh? heheh. Thanks y’all, for excellent reading!!
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I am a christain as well, but I do not follow the “nice” road that many do.
I belive in the death penality and as far as abortion goes pro INFORMED choice. God gave us free will, but as in the accountg of the first sin Satan did not fully disclose the whole deal.
Part of the problem many have with the Bible, IMO, is the fact that there are so many translations and many different methods of translation and the fact that some translations have come from other translations! So take something that is “perfect” and subject it to humans for a while, espcially a committee!
Like “thou Shall not kill” and yet we see how God helps David kill Goliath! Hmm maybe it should read more like “Tou shall not murder”.
So what I wish to tell some of these religious nurs -
1. God gave us all free will
2. If you really beieve in God, then you’ll realize that all we can do is “talk”, none of us are God’s advisors, so get a grip on reality
3. While we are not perfect, we are made in God’s immage and as a result, we like God hate child fuckers, child abusers, drunkards, mirfers and liars.
Not to say that we are without sin, as I am not. While people do remember some moments of sin in my life (like how drunk I got at my class reunion), I am not known as a drunkard.
Thus if Christ were in his human form, he might actually be a contributor as well!
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Please excuse my lack of typing ability in the last post….
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Admin -
Can you do one for Islam, Jewdism, Hinuism, Budism, and any other major ones I may have insensitivly forgot?
Treat everyone fairly - offend them all!
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hahhahah Fred. Even though there were typos, I got the general idea. hahahha. I’m very adept at reading typo. :) This was a good discussion. I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Thanks admin!!
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I would not say that th epeson was trying to defend the guy more than she was trying to state that these were good hearted loving people and that something went terribly wrong. And fyi everyone is tired of you cramming the background stuff down our throats. No one continues reading once the topic comes up. Good luck with the questioning God thing, hope that brings you plenty of prosperity!
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“something went terribly wrong”?!? Umm, yeah. I would say so. I might be wrong but I’m sure that I have never had anything go so terribly wrong that I beat a child or killed a child. And over what? A Happy Meal? Give me a freaking break. I know what went terribly wrong. This guy flipped out and took it out on someone smaller than him because he’s a pshycho loser. I bet that’s what went wrong!! Geez.
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I often wonder if the type of Christians who believe all is forgiven if you simply “repent” believe such nonsense because they are selfishly trying to avoid any punishment for their sins. Faith should be unselfish and motivated by doing what is right simply because of how it benefits all persons. I am more of an agnostic; but my husband put it best when he describes himself as a “conscientious observer”. People can worship whom/whatever they wish too; however, no person should hide behind that faith in order to rationalize their own prejudices, hatred, and fears. As far as hell, most religions speak of some punishment for those truly deserving; be it earthly or otherwise. It would seem absurd that God/Jesus/Allah/Buddha et al. would not look at some of the abominable acts, like those on this site, men are capable of with the same disdain and sadness as do we lowly earth dwellers. Outrage serves well to shame these people; as they deserve to be shameful.
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Amen, agrier citizen!! Amen!!
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From Hells Hot I stabbeth thee.
For Hates Sake, I spit my last breath at thee
admin - Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
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kim, I was trying to say that the lady was not defending the guy, but only saying that these people were seemingly normal until this. She was not trying to excuse his actions, just stating how she felt. We all beleave that what this guy did was terrible and I beleave he deserves hell. Just wanted you guys to give the lady a break. All you non beleavers need to think about this.Say I ‘m right, when God comes back my belief in him will earn me a trip to heaven, and you one to hell. And say your right, well i loose nothing. Where as the first instance, you loose it all. The choice is simple! Not telling you how to beleave, but I sure would hate to live around people i see on this site and not have some one to count on.
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I believe in God. There’s no disputing my belief. I never said I didn’t. Just some things about God and the Bible confuse me, that’s all. Why give her a break? Why give this guy a break? He took a life. No breaks as far as I’m concerned. But, that’s my opionion. Never said anybody had to agree with it. That’s the thing about those opionions, everybody has one. Just like ass holes. hahahahhaha. Not too many are going to be exactly alike, in both cases. :)
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I wasnt questioning you belief in God, that refrence went to others. But the fact that you use refrence to assholes totally discredits your opinion!
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Fred- Amen!
“Like “thou Shall not kill†and yet we see how God helps David kill Goliath! Hmm maybe it should read more like “Tou shall not murderâ€.”
I’ve noticed that many holy rollers are fond of their ‘gun rights’. They also don’t like it much when I claim that the bible does actually say ‘Thou shalt not kill’… not ‘murder’. Murder applying only to people, et al. Convenient for me, as I’m a vegetarian and am not too keen on people killing for the most part, especially for the specific taste of what some call ‘food’, and what I call decomposing detritus.
Penny- “Good luck with the questioning God thing, hope that brings you plenty of prosperity!”, and “Say I ‘m right, when God comes back my belief in him will earn me a trip to heaven, and you one to hell.”……
The problem with your stance is that you most likely (this is PYSIH, after all) preaching to people who arent real impressed by people’s motivation to ’spiritality’ being whatever the ‘grab-bag’ you get as a reward at the door.
Kind of comes across as a little self-centered, self-serving, and less than personally sprititually motivated. Reminds me of the marketing of MLMs and Amway, to be honest. Serve others (in a kind of ‘user’ way) while personally enhancing your own nest egg… with all the bragging rights!
The little dig at the end, though, about how you’ve secured your place in heaven through all this selfless expenditure of energy, while pointing out that others who quite possibly have been more selfless and helped more people have earned themselves a place in hell, by not heeding your extollations… priceless. I love it when people reinforce the ideas I already had about them.
Actually, that’s not completely true. I actually love it more when people test the boundaries of what I already believe, by not fitting into the ‘molds’ and peer pressure so many others seem to fall prey to. Sadly, your posts have not done that for me. Have a great time in heaven! Hope the celebrity ‘rewards-bags’ were worth it.
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I do not have a Bible in front of me, nor have I memorized it.
So I do know that there is a part that emphasizes the fact that “by your fruits you’ll be known”. Thus we can call ourselves whatever we want, but it’s actions that wil prove it.
I can call myself the President of The United States, but guess what I am not going into the building at 1600 Penn Ave DC unless I am either invited or thoroughly searched before I go in with a tour!
No one is buying or selling cracl to me, my wife or my child - why? We are not known crack addicts.
While I can understand people reaching a breaking point with children, the simple fact is that murder is beyond the normal “beyond breaking point action”. A slap on the behind is what I usually got and the kids had 3 seconds to put themselves in time out before I did the same.
I have nick named children “SESOM” (Moses backwards), but never actually tossed any child into the river behind the house. I *MAY* toss a few adults though…
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Hey, Penny, the fact that you can’t spell “reference” completely discredits you in my eyes. Sorry. Guess since you can’t spell and I said asshole, maybe we’ll see each other on the other side. hahhahahahha. Which side you ask? Nobody ever knows for sure, do they?
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Kim- Maybe next time you should say ‘Anal canal’ (ick), or ‘the poopy end you don’t eat from’.
Saying ‘asshole’ is a sure ticket to hades, eh?
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HAHAHAH Glory. I guess if that’s the worst thing I ever said, I would surely be heading straight for Hades!! hahah. I just WISH that was the worst thing I have ever said or done. I think I’m ok thought, since I’ve NEVER KILLED ANYBODY!!
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oops I meant “though” not “thought”. I hate to misspell stuff. :P
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If I had some hot naked chick asking me to eat an apple from a tree (and I was pretty sure it wasn’t contaminated) I’m probably not going to think twice about it.
I know this is random but really how much can we take for granted from the bible when it’s been translated so many times. what if someone who was translating was pissed off and decided to write a bunch of shit that isn’t true. I believe in a higher being, however there’s no proof that the bible is right. I’ve always thought that someone could’ve been really pissed off.
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Anybody find it a teensy bit extremist that merely saying the word “asshole” apparently merits the same punishment as the people profiled on this site?
And how is it that condemning these criminals is so evil but them pointing fingers and saying “shame on you for judging” is perfectly alright??
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Woohooooo Harpy Lady! I just wanted to say, though, we aren’t comdemning them. We are merely stating our opinions as to what we think should happen to them. Nobody can condemn them except judges, juries and God. Right? As for shaming us for judging people, that’s just crazy. We are also being judged if these Bible thumpers are saying we are going to Hell for saying asshole. So, right back at ya, holy rollers!! hahahhah.
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All I can say is: I love ya’ll.
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I go to bed at night knowing what I have waiting for me after this life, as well as my kids. I’d hate to think I was the one responsible for my children not making it into heaven. But your right you have the choice to beleave or not, just stating what my choice gets me and where yours gets you. If it irritates 12 and makes one person at least consider it, well good!
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Not being a “christian” in the strictest sense of the word does not mean you will be damned to hell. It would stand, under the reasoning of many christians, that if God forgives those who commit the most egregious of sins then why would he not forgive those who questioned the world around them. Christian dogma speaks of god “making man in his image”; thus, it would stand to reason that God wants us to question our place in the world and the afterlife. I go to bed at night knowing that I have been a good person, not just because I am scared of going to hell; but rather, because it is my responsibility as a human to leave the world a better place than when I came into it. I go to bed knowing that I have given my children the tools to live a good life, but the rest is up to them. If I am wrong in my beliefs, and I go to hell, then I was right not to worship the “christian” model of god who embraces the worst of man and rejects those who simply live a good life. If I am right, then all those bible thumpers who have only been good people because of their own fear of “damnation” may not end up in the same place as I.
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I’m an Atheist so I guess that means I’m going to HELL. Oh, wait. That means there’s no hell for me to go to. I’m going to feel soooooo stupid if I die and find out I’m wrong. I’m gonna be like “Oh, shit”.
This sucks. I got no one to pray to.And I’m lazy. Sonuvabitch.
Okay, look, if some Christian could pick up a little slack here that would be great. I’ll give you like $5.00 or be your friend or something. Seriously. Little help here, fellas.
Thanks.
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Penny- You are just plain annoying, and you act like your shit doesn’t stink.
I hate to break it to you, but everyone’s shit stinks, even if you paint it gold, act sanctimonious, and plant a cross in it.
“I go to bed at night knowing what I have waiting for me after this life, as well as my kids. I’d hate to think I was the one responsible for my children not making it into heaven. ”
You need to read your bible, if that’s where you think you’re getting your info from.
Having a brat for a mother, who thinks she’s so special that she’s got the Willy Wonka Golden Ticket to heaven is no guarantee that your kids get the Grand Slam to heaven, too.
No matter how perfect you are, I know the bible doesn’t guarantee your kids a place in heaven because of it.
I’m sure there are people here who think I’m obnoxious, but at least I don’t think that my children get a free ride to heaven because of how perfect I am.
Please.
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glory, i was not implying that because i am a beleaver my children then get a chance at heaven. only stating that my influence in their beliefs will not cause them to go to hell. If there is a heaven, there is a 100% chance i am going, you only have a 50% of not going to hell. All the decent and good hearted things you’ve done in your life wont get you to heaven unless you beleave in god. Nothing more nothing less. Just saying my odds are better than yours!
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No, Penny, you are not saying that your ‘odds’ of going to heaven are greater than ‘mine’, you are saying that YOU are 100% guaranteed to be going to heaven.
I think the word you were trying to use is correctly spelled ‘believe’. And, there are plenty of people who believe….they just don’t believe what you do. It’s not like you have cornered the market on belief. Your personal choice of religion hasn’t either.
Reading your viewpoints is helpful, though. According to what you’ve said, you could ’snap’ tomorrow, stomp your husband to death in front of your children, and still be guaranteed a place in heaven. That ’saved once, saved forever, no matter what you do afterwards’ thought process is one of the reasons I’m not so fond of your religion of choice. It eliminates personal responsibility for actions. And, most people who think they are guaranteed a place in heaven no matter what, don’t usually bother doing things that are ‘decent and good-hearted’…. because what would be the point? They already got THEIR free ticket to ride. Besides, it leaves more time to go around pointing out to other people how YOU’re going to heaven, and THEY’re going to hell.
There are actually at least 3 possibilities for you regarding heaven—
1. Your exact version of heaven exists, and you get to go there, no matter how nasty you were in real life, because at ONE point in your life you said the magic words. You can now start snickering at all the people you’d would go to hell.
2. No heaven exists. Sniff. You wasted all that time being condescending to other people for nothing.
3. Heaven exists, but there’s all kinds of people there that you have no clue how they got there, because you were wrong about heaven all along.
4. Heaven exists, but you don’t get to go, because getting in did actually require you to be a good person overall.
That’s just 4 options. I’m sure there’s more.
One thing I liked about your post is that it explains some of the behaviour people who come on this website to rant and defend the criminals/abusers/murderers. Usually they claim that the POS was a xian, and their soul was already saved BEFORE they committed the offenses.
Now I understand why they feel defensive. Because if already saved people can end up going to hell for evil actions, their place in heaven isn’t so rock-solid. Thanks for the clarification.
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Thanks, GloryBug, I lke what you say.
- With a lot of Christians(not all), the holier-than-thou attitude is what drives me nuts.
They take no personal responsibility for their actions because they are “saved”, and the wearing of their Christianity on their sleeves is nauseating.
True, I’m not Christian, but the Christian philosophy is a good set of guidelines. I have found that if I don’t lie, steal, cheat on my wife, screw my employer, be jealous of others, treat others with respect and dignity - just follow the 10 commandments, I can lead a happy life. I don’t worry about avoiding people, I can look my wife and children in the eye, I don’t worry about getting caught doing something I shouldn’t be doing - I never am looking over my shoulder.
I also have no god to go whining to when things go wrong, no god to ask forgivness from when I do something stupid. I have to answer to myself everyday with no excuses. I have a very high standard for myself because I do have to answer to myself and I don’t like it when I have to look in the mirror and admit I did something wrong.
My wife and I try to teach our children responsibility for their actions. I’m very proud of the way they are turning out and I’m pretty proud of the way we’ve raised them. They are honest, work hard in school, sports, and dance.They’re good, well-rounded kids and they’ve learned all that without benefit of some mythological supreme being or threat of eternal damnation.
We also teach them that not everyone is like us or believe the way we do. We encourage them to learn about religions and other cultures. We even handle their questions about God as though he really exist. We do not teach them to judge others or look down their noses at people that are not us.
I think my wife and I have a good set of values, sadly I think our values are better than some that claim God.
I think it’s arrogant for these people to believe they’re going to live forever. I think a little humbleness is in order.
I should just quit now. A Christian will see this and include me in their prayers, or write why I’m wrong, or try to convince me I should believe.
They certainly won’t use this as an opportunity to look at themselves because they’ll be too busy looking at me
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For people who don’t believe in God, you’ve sure spent alot of time trying to convince people. And yes God is all forgiving he created us and gave us free will, and with that I have chosen to love him and in return I will be rewarded. Just wanted to tell others they have the same chance.
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“I should just quit now. A Christian will see this and include me in their prayers, or write why I’m wrong, or try to convince me I should believe.” - Michael
“Just wanted to tell others they have the same chance.” - Penny
LOL, your prediction was right on. Didn’t take that long to happen either. Reminds me of something I read online.
Bible Thumper: You’ll never get to Heavan if you do what you are doing!
Person #2: Will you be there?
Bible Thumper: Of course!!
Person #2: Then I find this arrangement satisfactory!
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Michael- I find your post to be one of the most thoughtful and well-written on this subject.
It’s amazing what teaching children morals can do. I’d like it if more religious people taught their children morals, too.
Being able to look your own face in the mirror because you’ve been honest, trustworthy and caring of other people is a bit underestimated.
People tend to judge other people by ‘projecting’ what they do onto others. Therefore, if you are a pretentious hypocritical bible-thumper who gets joy out of trying to convince others to be as ‘perfect’ as you are, you’ll probably imagine that everyone else does the same.
And, you’d be wrong. Taking personal responsibility for my own spiritual beliefs and growth means I don’t imagine I’m responsible for indoctrinating other people to believe just like me. This means thay my children have been to ‘Bible camps’ in the summer when they chose to (I admit they have some fun crafts), and they are given the freedom to believe anything they want, without interference from me. They are exposed to as many different religions as comes up, and I let them make their own judgements about that, too.
I have no vested interest in making clones of myself, or of living through my children. I want them to be secure, educated, and completely comfortable making their own decisions about what they want to believe without falling prey to peer pressure instead of true spirituality and personal belief. They also know that no matter what they choose to believe, or not, I am not going to judge them if it’s different from my spirituality. That’s the whole point of living and being an individual. To make informed choices- not to be bullied by what other people WANT you to believe. I’m sure that’s a hard concept for bible-thumpers to understand, because they do NOT want people to make choices on their own.
If you teach your children decent morals in the first place, instead of just beating religion down their throat, it’s likely you will be proud of whatever choices they make on their own.
If you don’t bother setting the groundwork of morals first, then I guess you’ll have to rely on just ordering them to imitate you, with the threat of them going to hell otherwise, and hope they do. And hope what you chose was actually right to begin with.
What some people also fail to notice, is that not very many people on this website have actually stated that they do not believe in a god, any god, or any details about their personal beliefs at all, other than what they DON’T like, and what they DON’T believe- so you’re kind of just guessing at what they actually do believe. That’s the kind of details you miss when you’re working on preconceived ideas instead of what’s really in front of you.
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Harpy Lady-you make me smile, and GloryBug, I usually find what you say very insightful and terribly charming. Thanks to you both and all the others that post - even Penny - I learn a lot.
As for my last post, none of the credit for our child rearing goes to me. My parents taught me and I hope I am faithfully passing down what I’ve learned. My wife was also taught by her parents and she is passing that down. And our parents were taught by their parents.
So, I guess in a weird sense, our parents and grandparents have achieved a bit of heavenly immortality by teaching us to love.
And I suppose in the same weird sense others have a rather hellish immortality.
And we get to co-exist. Yippee.
We have a grandchild that’s due in March. I hope we taught our daughter well.
Penny, I’m not trying to convince anybody to come over to the “dark” side. It’s not my job to teach you or anybody, except my children. Every morning I wake up with love and every night I go to sleep with love, secure that I’ve done all that I can to share that love. And even after 44 years of life, it never gets boring. And that ain’t half-bad.
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” Every morning I wake up with love and every night I go to sleep with love, secure that I’ve done all that I can to share that love. And even after 44 years of life, it never gets boring. And that ain’t half-bad.”
(Hey, you’re the same age as me!)
That’s a pretty dang good life. I hate people who treat this life like a ‘throwaway’ because they’re looking for the better one they’re guaranteed to get later.
I can’t think of anything that could offend my perception of a ‘god’ than someone who wastes the ’sure thing’ they have now for the ‘possibility’ they might have later. And who would be insulting by not getting as much out of the life they’ve been given now, and loving as much as they can now, and who take away lives that god supposedly created.
It’s just so ungrateful to not appreciate and respect what you have now, and to not be responsible for depriving others of what they have now also. It’s not respectful. (Not to be confused with ‘disrespectin’, lol).
When all you care about is the prize you think you’re going to get after you’re dead, it’s hard to be respectful of life, to enjoy life, and to enjoy love and being loved. And this is the biggest flaw of many religions, not just xianity.
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This discussion was never or will never be about religion. Nor is it about your actions, good or bad. It is a simple as this. God loves you so much that he created you and gave you these wonderful children you have. Only love can create that feeling you get when you see your children. Only someone who truly loves you made all of our lives possible. I have not wasted life, nor am I only looking for heaven. God has given me heaven on earth already. I have only stated that my belief in him gets me to heaven, and if I didn’t beleive, I’d go to hell. And I am resposible for what my children are exposed to, so I give them the oppertunity to have the best of life, now and after death. I dont do this by cramming anything down their throats. I live by example, and give thanks to God for giving me the oppertunity to have a life. God is real inmy life, and yours as well. You just choose not to give him the glory. The best thing you can do for your children is pray for them. And you really don’t have to keep trying to convince me how good of a job you have done, I haven’t judged you at all! I ‘m sure your all wonderful parents and people in generel, but think for a minute, what if your wrong? If I’m wrong I’ll have lost nothing!
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this why all who refuse to believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit will go to hell. for refusing His payment for sin. i pray that you rethink and allow the Holy Spirit to set you straight. it breaks my heart to see how many refuse to believe. this nation was founded by Christian and the reason this nation will fall is because as a whole , we have turned our back on HIM.
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Actually, the nation’s founders were not really very Christian, if I remember correctly from my history classes. They would be more accurately called deists.
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u may well be right but they believed in God. they wanted to serve Him and worship Him. our nation is falling so fast. however it is forecasted in the Holy Bible. also all great nations have fallen because of the same. we are still blessed however He is not happy with us. who knows how much longer before He says enough is enough.
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Oops, just changed my mind. Yep, I just accepted Jesus Christ into my heart as my own personal savior. Not gonna turn my back on Jesus anymore. No sir, No way Jose, Not gonna happen.
Next time you see me I’m gonna be sitting right there next to God, or Jesus. Well, maybe not them cause I’m pretty new at being Christian and I think I have to earn my Angel Wings first. Maybe if I can get a few new recruits or pony up a few bucks for the collection plate I can sit by the Pope, I think he’s like third in charge of Heaven.This is going to be so flippin’ cool. Me!
IN HEAVEN - Fuckin’ A. Brittany, YOU ROCK!!!!
Sooo long you No-Jesus-Believing assholes. You’re gonna burn in Hell and I’m not. Nyah Nyah Nyah!!!
So long suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!JESUS LOVES ME and HE HATES YOUR GUTS!!!!!!!!!!
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i am so sorry you are so mislead. i love you anyway because you are a brother whether or not you believe in Him doesnt change the fact that He is real. He will reach you some day i pray before it is too late. we are all sinners or sinners saved by grace. u will spend eternity in heaven or hell. your choice, He offered a way out, we must by faith accept it.
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How do you know I’m “mislead”? (Misled?)
Did God tell you I was being insincere?
Hope people can overlook my little issue with maturity. It’s all in good fun and poor taste.
Gotta go. We’re having Family Movie Night.
We’re watching “The Gameplan”
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no just by what you said that Jesus loves you and hates everyone else, He loves all of us and died for all of us. not just you and not just me. yep that seemed a bit off, i pray that He will teach you thru someone close to you. listen in your mind when you accept Him as Lord and Saviour, you can hear Him speaking to you. sounds like your own voice. ask Him to teach you how to hear only Him and not yourself or satan. learn of Him and be amazed. i am speaking from experience. i dont know it all and never will this side of heaven but He has shown me awsome things..
admin - Please cut down on your LSD usage.
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I thought voices in your head was supposed to be a ‘bad’ thing……
I am so confused.
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oh child, cant you hear what you say to yourself in your mind? i know you do we all do. this is also how we hear Him. beware you can hear the devil the same way. the Lord speaks to you in the way you understand the best. sometimes it is thru another person, sometimes in signs and perhaps in dreams. you know i went years thinking that i was supposed to hear some deep male voice. i remember being in church 1 day and our preacher said that if you cant hear Him then something is wrong. well i prayed and said Lord i hear nothing. help me hear you. over time i learned just how to discern His voice over mine and the devil. you see the devil doesnt want you to know the truth. he lied to me for years and with every breath in my body i am here to proclaim the devil is liar. he hates you you and wants to destroy. he doesnt want you to believe in heaven or hell. he says it is fable and just have fun. when you die, you die. dont you dare believe his lies. you will spend and enternity with him in hell. hell is not a party place, it is a place of torments forever and always. yes i am serious, no i am not delusional. i am an intelligent Christian woman with 1 powerful testimony. i have miracles and i live each day for Him and Him only. He gave us everything and all God ask for in return is for us to surrender body, soul and spirit.
admin - is there any way that you could just come to PYSIH.com and post on Sundays?
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http://tpedit.sv.publicus.com/article/20080107/NEWS08/986513661
God was talking to him too…..
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no that is not true, He doesnt tell us to do things like that and you know it. there are those who are mentally ill. for whatever reason they are sick. i think that the devil has his cloven hoof in it. however he can still be forgiven. going to church, reading the Holy Bible, tithing are all well and good but they will not get you into heaven. being a Christian means accepting the blood of the Lamb, by no other way can we get into heaven. saying one is a Christian is not enough, we have to bear the fruit of the Spirit. God knows whose name is written the Lambs Book Of Life. people can fool each other but cant fool Him.
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Wow. Are you Carrie’s mom?
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no that is not true, He doesnt tell us to do things like that and you know it.
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How the hell would I know what he tells people to do???? I DON’T HEAR VOICES IN MY HEAD!!!!! But this guy obviously believed that god was talking to him…..just as you believe.
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so you dont hear yourself think? you dont hear anything. i dont believe that. even before i learned how to hear Him, i could hear myself.i think you are just afraid you might be considered crazy. not hardly.
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carrie who?
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Do I care if I’m considered crazy?? Nope…not one bit.
Yes…maybe you’re right. I CAN hear myself think…god must be telling me to get off this computer and get the dishes done, cause that’s what I’m hearing.
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good night, you have a blessed one.
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I’ve been serious and sarcastic. This has been interesting and fun.
I fervently hope that brittany wood lives a long way from me. I also hope she gets the help she needs. She’s starting to creep me out and that’s not easy.
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Meahgan- actually, ‘this country’ was not founded on the xian religion. In fact, the country had been founded much longer ago by people who were essentially Animists. I just so happen to have come from that lineage.
It would be more correct to say that certain people came here, raped pillaged and stole other people’s country, and then have ever since attempted to justify it using religion.
“God loves you so much that he created you and gave you these wonderful children you have.”
If this is true, then I’m guessing ‘god’ is pretty pissed off at people like the criminals on this site who have trashed the wonderful creations ‘given’ to them.
I generally tend to turn off my intelligence radar when confronted with idiots who start their sentences with ‘Oh, Child…..’
Can you say ‘Condescension’?
Or perhaps more correctly, ‘Mentally Ill’?
You need to re-read your manual. Your god is pissed at you. The way you are approaching things, and your habit of looking down on other people is actually going to turn people off, not bring more sheep into the fold. God’s going to spank you for fucking it up like that.
You’re supposed to be ‘winning’ souls, not turning people off by your unpleasant personality.
“Note to Jerks… 10 demerits. Stay after class to reread your bible.”—-’GOD’
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“listen in your mind when you accept Him as Lord and Saviour, you can hear Him speaking to you. sounds like your own voice”.
Yes. This.
The thing is, I do actually hear a voice in my head that tells me right from wrong, tells me how I should love….
But I’m very aware that it’s my OWN voice. And that I am in control of it, because I’m not as against personal responsibility as other people seem to be.
It’s also the difference between sane and mentally ill.
Normal- hearing a voice in your head.
Sane- recognizing that the voice is your own.
Mentally ill- imagining that ‘other’ voices, not your own, come into your head.
I trust the voice in my head. Right now it’s telling me to stay as far the fuck away from people like you as possible, because you’re crazy.
Oh, what to do? What to do?
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I think you’re a bit mixed up, Glorybug. I wasn’t the one saying this country was founded by Christians — in fact I specifically said they weren’t. And you can make many remarks about the evil white people who wiped out the native population (my focus in college was Native American history so I know very well) but that’s not really the point anyone’s trying to make here.
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Men never do evil so gleefully as when doing it while backed by religious Justification.
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Meaghan- I’m sorry. I accidentally left out my introductory line which would have been to say that you were correct…. and THEN to point out how incorrect some people’s interpretations of American History is.
Sorry for the confusion.
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(As I’ve told my oldest son lately…. see? Mommy does actually apologize and admit when I’m wrong!)
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As for the ‘evil’ white people thing… I think there’s plenty of evil to go around for all the races.
As an aside, the other half of me is Ukrainian, which I think would be considered ‘white’ by many people. And, since there have been plenty of instances of what I would consider evil by ‘Indians’, it’s fair to say I have a background of evil on all fronts!
Good thing people have free will and can choose to not be evil, regardless of religious orientation!
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Yes, that was one of the things I learned in my Native American history classes, that there was plenty of nastiness going on on both sides.
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I realize the focus here is on people that have committed some unforgivable atrocities, but I still believe most people are pretty decent. We all screw up and do some pretty stupid stuff, but for the most part I think most of us are good people.
Can we all go out for some Red Kool-Aid now?
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LMAO@Michael!!! YES. Red kool-aid sounds pretty damn good. (that’s fucking awesome, I’m cracking up).
I wonder if this woman had anything to do with Britney Spears’ breakdown. I know I’m almost to the point of shaving my head just by listening to this.
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If the whole point to life is to worship God and recruit non-believers, in order to get to Heaven, why don’t you Christians kill yourselves? Suicide will send you to God faster!
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The point is to honor God for all he has given to us, not heaven. That just the reward you trusting in him.
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The point is to honor God for all he has given to us, not heaven. That just the reward you trusting in him.
Believe it or not, that’s not the point either but there’s a good point there.
Heaven is so you don’t have to worry about death, when you’re doing the right thing.
Heaven is so God can defeat death.
Heaven is the place Christ made for us with his father.
Absolutely nowhere does the Christian faith say to waste your time here on Earth. You’re allowed to break the sabbath to save an ox, you can forgive sinners even when you execute them for crimes and you can even forgive someone for denying Christ 3 times in the same night.
You can spend some time in prayer, but get off those knees from time to time, and get back to work. there’s a time unto every purpose, but the shattering the social contract with a misinterpretation of God’s word isn’t going to help any of us.
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i have to agree partially with jason here. he brings up some interesting views
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“The point is to honor God for all he has given to us, not heaven. That just the reward you trusting in him.”
Suicide is a sin ‘pparently, since it’s taking away the power of God to decide when you should die and how. You’re (supposedly) supposed to go to hell or at least purgatory for it.
I personally think it is just a cop-out for people who are too scared since we don’t *really* know.
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Gee, thanks….
And just to return the favor…..I’ll cast a little spell out to you. Because of course that wouldn’t offend you, because of course, you praying for someone that doesn’t want it wouldn’t offend them of course….right??
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ADMIN:
The picture and verbiage YOU posted of JC at the top of page is really awful…I pray for your soul…Fire really burns, and especially when it is for eternity.
God Bless
J
You went to the Bretheren School? I know a couple of people who went there—small world…
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Gosh, Justice…I wonder if you-know-who likes being called “JC”. hmmm? And, wow, you said “verbiage”. It SO turns me on when a guy talks like that!!! hahahhaha. :)
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Oops, Justice might be a girl. Sorry!! So here’s something I posted on another page and I’ll just copy and paste it here since it fits with the conversation. Well, somewhat.
There are some things about God and the Bible that seem too good to be true, that’s for sure. But still, I’m not sure I could just NOT believe, you know? I guess that doesn’t make sense, but oh well. I sure do question the existence of God in cases of child-killing and murder, etc., but some part of me just can’t denounce Him. It’s complicated and I’m confused now. hahahahha
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awesome!
I wouldn’t be one to shit on other peoples bibles if they weren’t trying to shove it in my face (not to mention our schools and judiciary system) all the time.
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of course, the saddest thing about being an atheist is realizing that none of these people you profile on this site will ACTUALLY go to hell, since there is no hell.
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My son said something interesting the other day. He said, “I think that when we die, we just lay there rotting in the ground. How many witnesses do we have that anybody ever goes to either Heaven OR Hell?” That sure did make me think about things I had been taught all my life. It’s true that when you exhume a body, it’s STILL THERE!!! Right? This religion stuff is so interesting to debate with people.
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I’m late to the party, but this is a great thread that will probably go nowhere. People don’t want to be converted, in either direction. As a Secular Humanist, part Native American woman who was raised Jewish, I’ve always felt like an outsider. I look like a typical blonde white person, so I hear a lot of “inside” shit that obvious “others” don’t. There is a lot of hate and intolerance in this world stemming from religion. The problem with “religious freedom” is that some people’s religions include evangelizing, “saving” as many people as they can. So their religious freedom infringes upon the religious freedom of others. It’s a catch-22, and not an easily solved issues. Religious people HAVE to think theirs is the only way or the religion falls apart. If they can’t feel that others are wrong, why should they belong to that group instead? It’s also social fact that we bond with our groups by desecrating others. Most people feel an obligation (sometimes a mandate) to make the world the way they believe it should be. These are irreconcilable differences, and a “religious freedom” blanket can’t solve them, no matter how much I wish it could. Private worship goes against the religious doctrine of some faiths, and we have to understand this when we ask people to butt out. I don’t want anyone making me live my life based on their beliefs, but how to make it work? This is why we have always and probably will always have wars. God might exist, God might not exist. Truth is, you can feel that you know the answer, but you can’t prove what you believe, no matter how hard you try. This is why it’s outside of the realm of science (and for those who think that science is anti-religion, this is why it isn’t…scientists only test things that can be disproven, God isn’t one of those things, so they leave it alone. Many scientists are devout, not seeing discord between religion and nature). Understanding where others are coming from helps ease tension, but can’t make it go away. I will always avoid and resent the person who comes to my door with their small child, asking if I know that I’m going to heaven, but I know why they come, and don’t blame them for it. I just wish they could see it from my perspective.
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