Daniel “Clay” Coffner
Breakups are hard.
Some are harder than others.
19-year-old Daniel “Clay” Coffner, whose picture is here on the left, was making his breakup as hard as possible.
Daniel Coffner’s MySpace page reveals that he’s feeling “stressed.” Daniel Coffner was also a little down about breaking up with his 17-year-old girlfriend, DeLand High School junior Natasha Hall, back in November of 2007. According to Daniel Coffner’s MySpace “about” section:
About me:
Wish I could of had it my way and got the only thing I really cared to have in life anymore. =/
Who I’d like to meet:
Already did….we let ourselves go like idiots though. =/
While Daniel Coffner and Natasha Hall may have made a good-looking couple, their relationship was hampered somewhat by Daniel’s being a complete psycho.
Natasha Hall’s mother, Cheri Hall, had some problems with Daniel Coffner’s courtship rituals:
He’d get up on the roof and look in the windows and would watch her sleep.
Yeah, way to piss off the girlfriend’s parents there, Daniel.
In July of 2007, Natasha’s mother Cheri made the first of several calls to police, telling the authorities that Daniel Coffner was stalking Natasha. Natasha, being as stupid as only 17-year-old girls can be, defused the situation with her mother and kept seeing Daniel Coffner as the year wore on – until the breakup in November.
Natasha, tired of Daniel Coffner’s drama, made the unilateral decision that they needed a little space.
Daniel Coffner did not take Natasha’s decision well.
After the two broke up, Natasha’s mother called the police again, claiming that Daniel Coffner was on their house porch, threatening to kick the door in while screaming threats at her.
A few weeks later, in December of 2007, the police were called again because Daniel had gotten upset over an e-mail Natasha had sent to him and, as a result, had punched Natasha a few times. Despite the fact that physical violence had entered the picture, Natasha and her mother decided against pressing charges against Daniel Coffner.
Note #1 to teenage girls: Always press charges.
Perhaps encouraged by the fact that he hadn’t been charged with anything, Daniel kept trying to convince Natasha to take him back. Daniel called the house over and over and over again, until Natasha finally agreed to meet him to talk about things.
It didn’t go well.
Despite being treated to a fine meal at McDonald’s, Natasha Hall insisted that she didn’t want to get back together with Daniel. As a result – ice cream to the face!
Yes, that’s right, Daniel Coffner made the classic move of throwing McDonald’s ice cream into his ex-girlfriend’s face, which, combined with the subsequent chase into and through a grocery store, which concluded with the police coming across Daniel dragging Natasha out of the store with a good grip on her arm.
This incident was enough to get a police report filed. Yay for justice.
Nothing resulted, however. Charges weren’t brought against Daniel, who continued to call Natasha Hall.
Early in the month of January, 2008, Natasha and her mother got into a fight after Natasha was caught sneaking out to meet with Daniel Coffner. The cops were called but nothing happened. Just another domestic disturbance.
A few days later, the police were called again after Daniel Coffner punched Natasha in the face and bloodied her lip. Nothing happened.
A couple days after that, Natasha Hall called the cops when Daniel was outside her house, banging on doors and windows and screaming that he was going to kill her because she went to a party where there were boys.
Finally, on the 15th of January, tired of being called to respond to the drama between Natasha Hall and Daniel Coffner, police told Natasha that the next time she called 911 to complain about something that Daniel Coffner was doing, both she and Daniel would be arrested.
Well then.
Valentine’s Day came and went, and the troubled relationship between Daniel Coffner and Natasha Hall just kept rollin’ on, this time without the police being called every other day.
Until the 15th of February, 2008.
That was the Friday that Daniel Coffner went in for his Air Force physical.
He passed, by the way.
After his physical, Daniel Coffner went over to Natasha’s house, broke into her bedroom and went through her stuff.
While going through her stuff, Daniel discovered that someone (other than him) had given Natasha a Valentine’s Day card.
Apparently, this was the final straw.
Daniel Coffner left his love’s house and came back with a handgun, waiting in the shadows of the side of her house for Natasha to return.
Natasha and her friend Michelle Karpowicz stopped by Natasha’s house at about 10:30 at night, so Natasha could change her clothes before heading out again.
When they entered the house through the front door, Natasha noticed that the back door had been left open and knew that Daniel was waiting for her. In a scene that has been played out countless times in countless horror films, Natasha yelled out, “I know you’re in here, fucker!”
After a fruitless attempt at calling her mother, Natasha and Michelle left the house through the front door, where Daniel Coffner was waiting with his gun.
Natasha didn’t have a chance. Daniel Coffner opened fire as soon as he saw her.
Once she was down, Daniel turned to Michelle and said:
I’m going to kill you. Get the fuck out of here.
Sensibly, Michelle left, jumping into her car and skidding out as she stomped on the gas. She stopped at a neighbor’s house and called 911.
Police arrived at the Hall residence to find Natasha Hall dead, with Daniel Coffner lying next to her, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot to his head.
Parents, you might want to take this moment to tell your daughter to not be so nice to guys who won’t leave them alone. Girls need to be able to firmly tell someone that their attentions are unwanted. It might help prevent a Daniel/Natasha incident from happening.
Does Daniel Coffner deserve Hell?
- Yes (87%, 277 Votes)
- No (13%, 40 Votes)
Total Voters: 317
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I know the first thing people are going to think: Romeo and Juliet. WRONG, they both decided to die. Natasha didn’t.
So dramatic.
So Shakespeare.
So Quentin Taratino. (sp)
Ahh, young love.
Just another tale of a psycho. Nothing new.
Well, wow, Mr. MySpace genius…
I’d like to have things ‘My Way’, too, but life isn’t a Burger King Commercial, and I’m not Frank Sinatra.
And, I don’t think the best way to get your soul-mate back is to beat the shit out of them and eventually kill them. Go figure.
I doubt she’ll like you better now that she’s dead.
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This makes me very angry. It’s bad enough when LE doesn’t get involved and someone gets killed. Constantly calling 911 when you have no intention of filing charges isn’t much better.
Dating tip #57-
Do NOT continue a relationship with ANYONE who pjysically hits you. Even once. Even if it was an accident. Even if you were both walking, singing love songs to each other, and you slipped on the ice and their fist just happened to slam into your face and 15 times into your ribs, and the knife in their pocket worked loose and stabbed you all by itself.
NO second chances. No first chances. How hard is it to make it clear to potential babydaddys that you will not tolerate one accidental black eye?
Oh, you have kids? Nevermind. Because people who like beating on adults NEVER beat or kill children…. because they luuuuuuvvv them. So- carry on!
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I would like to say that I’m not blaming this lady or her mother for getting herself killed, but that would be lying.
I can understand that the abused teen might not have the best judgement, but where the fuck was Mama? Why did she not insist on filing a police report? Her child was not 18 yet, and she ultimately was responsible for what happened.
Lemme guess. Mama has had many ‘guy friends’ and ex-husbands, and didn’t have any problem getting the shit beat out of her in front of her little girl? Just guessing.
Every person who ‘cries wolf’, even if there really was a wolf… if they don’t choose to prosecute, is not only setting themselves up to not be believed, but is fucking over other people who REALLY do have a wolf at their door.
My comments wouldn’t be offensive enough if I didn’t include the age-old question…. where was bioDad? Where was he while his teenaged girl was getting socked around and would eventually be both socked around AND knocked up?
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Yeah, this is pretty stupid. Sounds like this kid needed some help. She was very pretty, too pretty for him. Her mother should have pressed charges to get this freak away from her daughter.
I have been into a lot of relationships like this and I know when to get out of them. In school they usually tell you when you need to get out, etc. I am glad we had “dating classes” so they could teach us some of this stuff.
I once had a boyfriend that acted just like Daniel. You know what I did? He tried to controll me and make me do some stuff I didn’t want to do so I broke his damn nose with my cell phone.
This story is kind of like the TJ Mullis story. You know, how Karen TF? Yeah, well, Daniel didn’t want to let go of her, obviously. He knew he wouldn’t be able to find someone as good as her. But then again if you think about it, if she was so great then why didn’t she press any charges!?!? Don’t cry wolf if you aren’t going to appreciate the help you get from the damn cops.
By the way, here is his mothers myspace page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=267072008
to Glorybug: i’m sorry i guess i missed that piece about het mother. no wait: read it again and again didn’t not read anything about her mother and the guys in the mothers life. i can understand that, by reading this site every single day, you might get comfortable with thinking the worst of everybody but i do think that a little sympathie for the mother who lost het daughter because of some jackass thinks it is ok to shoot het because she got a valentine’s card of a different guy, is in place here. btw, i’m in no way related to the family of the girl.
“Natasha Hall’s mother, Cheri Hall, had some problems with Daniel Coffner’s courtship rituals: He’d get up on the roof and look in the windows and would watch her sleep.”
“Despite the fact that physical violence had entered the picture, Natasha and her mother decided against pressing charges against Daniel Coffner.”
This would kind of lead me to believe that the dead girl’s mother WAS involved and did not push her daughter to file charges and stick up for herself.
Yes, I was guessing about all the babydaddies in Mama’s life. I’ll apologize when I read a news report that says that her biofather was actually an important person in her life, and that Mama had not been bringing home new boyfriends every week. Or, that she’d never exposed her daughter to violence against herself by one man or an other.
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if he was so lovesick, why didn’t he just kill himself and be done with it? such a pretty girl too :(
At some point, it becomes the parent’s duty to protect the child againest abusers like this. Even if she wouldn’t press charges the adult should. Now two people are dead because of it.
Thank you! Why the hell didn’t mom step up and take care of the situation the first time her minor daughter got the daylights beaten out of her? I can say with all authority that the first time this guy touched me in anger he’d have drawn back a nub. If I didn’t tear his arm out of the socket, I promise you my parents would have. I’m a generally peaceful person, but I can promise you I can bring the ugly when I need to. Abusive relationships involve people with obviously skewed perceptions of reality. It’s for this reason that her mother, who clearly saw the writing on the wall, should have taken action. I feel sorry for her. She has to live everyday knowing that she let her daughter down.
Yes, something is seriously wrong about Mama not protecting her cub. That is her JOB. This lunatic had no business being around her daughter.
And where is daddy?
admin – Step-daddy.
OMG, I can NOT imagine a mother not protecting her daughter from a psycho bastard like this guy. I have never, ever been in an abusive relationship and I would beat the shit out of any guy that ever dared raise his hand to my daughter. I have a few years before she starts dating, but she already knows how to handle people. She’s only 12 and she is also lucky enough to have 3 big brothers who would maim or kill any stupid guy that ever even thought about laying a hand on their baby sister. If that had been my daughter, I would have had that stupid fucker locked up for however long they could put him away and that beautiful girl would still be alive. I wonder if her mother is feeling just a tad bit guilty for not doing more to make sure her daughter was safe. You never know when somebody like that is going to snap. Damn, at least the stupid bastard offed himself and saved taxpayers the trouble of taking care of his dumb ass. I hate hearing about shit like this. My little girl has been told numerous times that if anybody ever says something she doesn’t like or if anybody does anything that scares her, no matter how trivial it might be, she needs to tell someone. I wish more parents taught their children to do that. Sometimes it just might work.
Admin- Godamn fucking cops need to be candidates for Hell on this one too. Telling her SHE would be arrested next time she called 911? That’s fucking nuts. I know it’s frustrating to have the victim not press charges- THAT’S WHAT THE DA IS FOR!!! You don’t need the victim to press charges- at least in jurisdictions I’m aware of.
The guy needed a serious wakup call, and her saying “No!” wasn’t working. Maybe time in jail would have done it. At least it would have given his hormones some time to re-adjust.
Kim: “My little girl has been told numerous times that if anybody ever says something she doesn’t like or if anybody does anything that scares her, no matter how trivial it might be, she needs to tell someone. I wish more parents taught their children to do that. Sometimes it just might work.”
We tried to raise our daughter, now 13, like that, put it came back and bit us in the butt in a serious way. First in first grade, she made up this elaborate story about how a little boy picked up a stick and poked her in the neck and the nurse told her to put a wet paper towel on it. She came home and told this whole story to us, so we raised cain with the principle, who did this huge investigation and come to find out it was all complete nonsense, nothing at all had happened.
Then, in the 6th grade she told us about this boy who wanted her to “kiss his pee-pee”, and other things on a daily basis. We again raised hell with the school administration, who dragged the boy in for sexual harrasment questioning, and drilled the teacher over how she allow this crap to go on in the class room, and it turned out she had made the whole thing up again.
Well, Trace, I’m sorry to hear that. I don’t know what comes over kids that they think they need to make up stories like that. I haven’t had that problem with mine, thank goodness.
Rich, I agree with you about those sorry cops. Where I live, the DA will prosecute even without the victim pressing charges. My friend got in a fight with her husband and he hit her and the cops came. She decided not to press charges but the police took him to jail anyway because the state was going to press charges. Sometimes that is good, sometimes bad. But in this case, it would have been a good idea for the DA to get involved and get that idiot off the streets.
Yeah, that’s how the domestic assult law works here too. The state presses charges if there are any marks. I’m sure that Florida has simular laws. here, if you yell at someone and say you’re gonna kick their ass or threaten them that’s considered ‘third degree’ assult. usually the charges are dropped to disturbing the peace but the inital charge is third degree, by the state, not the victim. even if there is no actual physical contact, so WTF Florida police, was this kid related to someone that kept this from happening?
No kidding, the police dropped the ball on this one and that girl is dead because of it. Along with her mother. If that had been me, I would not have stopped pestering somebody, anybody, until he was sitting his dumb ass in jail thinking about how stupid he was. I don’t believe in interfering with my children’s lives, but in this case, I would have interfered my ass off!!!
as much as i would love to put blame on the police (can’t say i like the man much), i’m guessing they get about a gazillion of these calls each day and have to decide if it sounds serious enough to send someone over. there’s serial whiners that do nothing but call the cops about inane things, i guess they thought this one was right up there. they made a mistake, but it’s hardly fair to call for a sending to hell for the cops.
as much as i hate them, i still firmly believe they are here to help us and they want nothing more then protect us from criminals.
I guess you’re sorta right, Dual. I don’t have much respect for most police officers, though. They think they are above reproach and, in the words of a great person (don’t know who it is), they think their shit don’t stink. hahah. I have met some nice police officers, so I guess I won’t vote to send them to Hell. They are probably feeling a little guilty right now anyway. I would be.
Police Officers do a tough job.
Most people don’t get daily praise for their hard work, neither do cops. Most people don’t get verbally assaulted and threatened to be killed on a daily basis at their jobs either, like cops.
The blame is with the stalker and nobody else. The mother certainly should have taken out a protection order on him. Then nobody has to file charges, he violates and goes to jail for an increasing length of time with each violation.
At some point he gets beat up in jail, as all small guys do, and may decide that this isn’t such a good idea. Maybe he changes, probably not. It’s possible a judge gets tired of it before he kills the girl though and sends him on a lengthy trip.
Does all this fix the behavior, surely not. Criminals by far and large don’t change the way they behave. I think perhaps the best one could look for here is that he moves on to someone else. That he decides this one isn’t worth the hassle.
That in my professional opinion is the best case scenario. Any parent out there should take a long hard look at that. It’s not ideal, but you protect your family first.
“If you want to fight criminals, wear a badge. If you want to fight crime, be a good parent.”
I know they have a tough job. But I think they could do better in some cases. I don’t have a “professional” opinion, just a point of view from the civilian side. I think if Mom failed to protect her daughter, something else should have been done about all the 911 calls. Yeah the blame is with the stalker, but that poor girl’s mother didn’t do a very good job of protecting her daughter. I try not to get involved in my kids’ love lives, but if someone was stalking them or trying to hurt them, you can bet your ass I would do something about it. Either a baseball bat or a restraining order. Whatever works.
Ofcourse this kid killed himself, look at him, he would not have lasted 5 minutes in the bull pen let alone state prison. haha Could you imagine this little bitch walking up in state prison, he would have been the one getting stalked and abused. I feel so terrible about this story. This girl was so young and so pretty, she could have really been something in life and now its gone. Her mother should have done something, I had a boyfriend my mom didn’t like (he never hit me- just didn’t know how to act towards me) and you know what she did when he would show up at my house? Come outside and chase him with whatever the first thing she grabbed was… Once I had to race her to his car because she had a bat, an that was because he was disresepctful, I can only imagine if he had hit me what she would have done? Honestly, I understand that people underestimate situations like this all the time, it takes only a second for a spruned boyfriend/girlfriend to become a killer… young girls really need to work on themselves and I think that is the main problem. So many of these girls are just dying to be in love(no pun intended) and will put up with anything a guy does as long as he “loves” her, u women need to learn to love ourselves first, PERIOD. My condolences to her family and friends, boo to his family.
i made some typos :( sorry….spruned=spurned u women = us women
The guy that created this website is kind of a wanker!
admin – Don’t you have to go work out or something?
Darth Vader, if you don’t like it, don’t come here. This website is the shit!! :)
MissSunshine you are right. Young girls need to make sure they can be happy without a man in their lives at such a young age. There are more important things in life than having a boyfriend. Especially a psycho one. You are lucky to have had such a caring mom. I would have done the same thing with the baseball bat. hahaha.
admin – I work with Darth Vader. He gets beaten up by inmates a lot.
On a serious note this kid definetly deserves hell and just for your readers I like this website it lets people know about the evil side of life.
Darth Vader
Poor Darth. hahahah. Yes, this kid does deserve Hell even though it’s an awful shame that someone so young had to go and end his life and someone else’s like he did. The evil side of life is interesting at times, but it’s also frustrating to know that this kind of shit goes on every single day and nobody can do a damn thing about it. At least we can be a little more informed as to what kind of monsters and animals that roam freely among us. It might help.
I was just messing with this Darth person. I just get my jollies from telling people to get lost. hahahah.
They were just talking about ‘why didn’t the police protect this girl’ on CNN. I think it’s going to be the subject of discussion tonight. So it seem that we’re not the only ones who have questions. But I do agree, Daniel did this no one else. The police and her mother could have done more…but the police know the laws better and just exactly WHEN he broke one.
they’re saying she called them 9 times and they ignored the calls because she of her not pressing charges in the past. If that is true, it’s BS!
Yep, that is BS. No matter how many times she called, she shouldn’t have been ignored. The authorities should have run with this one and charged him with harrassment or something like they do here.
You know, I was just thinking. Admin could have at LEAST said thanks for jumping to his defense even if I was wrong about Darth. hahahahah. :)
admin – We appreciate all our cult members.
oh crap! ‘help’ ‘help’ I’m in a cult, not a club!
Cool, I always wondered what it would be like to join a cult. Now I know!! Thanks!! I feel even MORE special now. :)
Kim-put the Kool-aid down and take off those black nike shoes!
speaking of kool-aid. Does anyone know if that’s where Jones soda came up with their name?
Darth is a sissy.
I absolutely agree that the police could have done a better job with the PR and this situation. Just pointing out a few things earlier.
Admin wears womens underwear.
Sad, sad case.
I have a daughter that is only 3, but when she gets to be the age for boys, God help the one that decides to go psycho on her.
I have a lot of experience being a psycho, and will use that advantage to protect my child unto my OWN death.
I guess the state they were in didn’t have a no drop policy on domestic violence. Here, if you call in a domestic SOMEONE is going to jail whether the caller changes their mind or not.
As a mom I say hell for “Clay”.
Where were this boys parents? He obviously had some issues. Sounds to me like the grown ups in this situation dropped the ball. After the first time this kid hit my daughter, my hubby would have laid him out, and if she continued to persue him, I’d definetly have moved her far away. This guy was completely out of control and I wouldn’t be surprised if there were previous incidents before this girlfriend. Did they try to get help for this kid at all. Not trying to take the blame away from him, but he was still a minor,and we haven’t heard anything about what his parents did to correct him.
ok so the girl was 17 or something…isn’t it up to the mother to file charges, being the guardian. The mother must’ve been able to press charges if she really wanted to…
The mother is obviously an idiot.
“She was so young and pretty…”
What the hell does her being pretty have to do with anything? Her death is somehow more tragic because she had a cute face?
“..She could have really been something in life.”
Really? Do ugly people get a chance at being something, or is it only for attractive yuppies?
Her death is just as sad as anyone else’s, on this site and off. I’ll never understand why people value one life over another because of some trivial trait.
yes, good things are only for attractive yuppies! as you can see most of the people featured on this site are fucking ugly. not all but MOST!
G- I agree with you. It shouldn’t matter what the victim looked like. There shouldn’t be more pity for victims that people find stereotypically attractive. As if so-called ‘attractive’ people should be killed less often than others, or that their life had more potential because of their looks.
I know a lot of attractive people… half of them are nice as can be, the other half are assholes. Suprisingly, the same percentages as ‘less’ stereotypically attractive people.
I’ve found looks to be a pretty inconsistent indicator of character. To be honest, the pix of the POS perp weren’t hard to look at. Just because he wasn’t a troll doesn’t mean he was above killing someone.
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And, Brittany… yes. It seems that if the girl was under 18, her mother could have filed charges against the bully at any time, whether her daughter wanted her to or not.
As a parent, you often have to do things your children will temporarily hate you for. Looks like this mom didn’t have the balls to do what was needed for her daughter’s safety.
No mention of the POS perp’s parents, or the victims’ biodad, eh?
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Darth Vader on February 19th, 2008 3:42 pm
The guy that created this website is kind of a wanker!
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aren’t we all Darth, aren’t we all?
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should how someone look matter?
no
does it matter how someone looks in today’s society?
yes
it’s a fact of life, deal with it.
Hmmmm…maybe THAT’S why I have never been attacked. hahahah. I’m not attractive to these POS people. LMAO. It’s kind of true though, in a sad sort of way. The “perps” are all cracked-out looking and the vicitims are mostly attractive people. Why is that? It’s kind of strange once you really think about it. Society is FUCKED up.
I’m telling you….that’s so true.
IF you want the truth watch us on Good Morning America this Thurs or Fri.
I am so tired and hurt by people judging a situation they know nothing about.
IT IS A SHAME WE HAVE TO GO ON TV TO DEFEND OUR ACTIONS!
WE have the balls to protect her. WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO TRY TO GET THE POLICE TO CHARGE WITH A CRIME! THEY REFUSED TO FILE CHARGES! WHEN HE DID GET CHARGED IT WAS FOR SIMPLE BATTERY AND HE WAS NOT EVEN ARRESTED!! STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT WE DID OR DID NOT DO!! SPREADING UNTRUTHS ABOUT THIS SITUATION DOES NOT HELP US!
It was merely speculation on my part at least as to why this guy was never put away. Speculation, I tell you. It’s hard to understand why the police department wouldn’t file charges. I didn’t think it was up to them. That’s not how the system works here, anyway. Sorry.
I don’t care what you say, you obviously did not push hard enough for them to do anything. In most cases, they would take something like this serious.
If you reall really really cared or whatever, you would have pushed and pushed and maybe even sued the police department for not doing anything about it!
My boyfriend currently has a lawsuit open towards the police department because they did not do what was neccessary. He is getting a lot of money because of it, maybe you should take that into consideration.
The girl is dead, you obviously didnt do enough. Her parents are responsible for her safty. Why didn’t they move away from this guy, did you at least try any constructive help for this guy? Did you try talking to his parents teachers, or maybe a counselor before it got to out of control?
Penny and Jayni you are both INSENSITVE ASSHOLES!! If you would get your facts straight before opening your mouth you would know the what and why of what happened. I have dealt with the Deland Police Depart before and for whatever reason they do not like to arrest people. It seems like the standard answer is to take them to court. So before you criticize someone get your head out of your ass and do your homework!
-A Good Neighbor,
Then you should have sued them long before this and doubly so now. If it truly is their fault for failing to prosecute, make them pay. It might save someone else’s life.
Fact of the matter is that there is nothing anybody could have done. A psychopathic abuser won’t stop because of a protection order, jail, logic, whatever.
Domestic abuse is horrible. Any type of violence is horrible.I feel badly for the family of Natasha Hall.
How can some of you fault the girl or her family? Are any of you experts on how to tame a psycho? She was a young, beautiful girl and she is dead, her family is grieving and still people want to talk about how it is her own fault. Im only 23 now, and a few years ago I was in a bad relationship much like Natasha’s…you’d be surprised how easy it is for a jealous and manipulative person to take over someones life.
I am so sorry for Natasha’s family.
There were way to many chances to stop that guy before he killed her. After he hit her the first time she still continued contact with him. We are not blaming her more than we are saying that girl was failed by the police, her parents and others who were aware of the situation. You don’t have to be an expert on psycos to know that if someone hurts your child and is showing obvious signs of violence towards her, that you get her far away from him. The family is probably wishing now that they would have done more, but now is too late. The guy who did this is the only one to blame, however, this is something others in this type of situation can learn from. There were way to many warning signs that should have told these people that something bad was going to happen. I am also sorry for Natasha’s family and keep them in my prayers!
Really I don’t think it would’ve been that big of a deal if he didn’t kill her too. He could’ve just killed himself and try to make it feel like it was her fault, but he didn’t have to kill her.
We are greatful for all the heartfelt sympathy from everyone..Thank you for defending or at least in some way understanding we had done everything we could..we begged the police to arrest and charge him with something..they never arrested him altho they were called 9 times in 3 mos….we called the DA’s office to follow up on the complaints and we were told they were backlogged due to mandatory vacations for the staff. The story runs deeper than has been posted and reposted and retold with facts left out…WE CAN AFFORD TO BURY HER…HOW COULD WE AFFORD TO DROP EVERYTHING AND MOVE??? I can not stand being judged and blamed. Everyone has a right to their own opinion but PLEASE REMEMBER you were not here. It is easy to assume what you would do in our situation…
Sorry…I meant to see that we could not afford her final expenses how could we have dropped everything and moved??
Her mother (my sister) is devastated. Anyhow I want to thank all of you that are supporting us…I swear to God we had tried everything within our power to get the police to do something. OF COURSE AT THIS POINT THEY are going to DENY that we tried anything. HE BEAT HER and we begged for assault charges…the slapped him with a simple battery (a misdemeanor which is not an arrest-able offense)…We begged for kidnapping…again he was slapped with simple battery…
Everyone keeps asking why she would talk to him…HE WAS BLACKMAILING HER. He had taken nude photos of her he threatened to send to all her friends and post on the internet. WE BEGGED THE POLICE to charge CLAY with CHILD PORNOGRAPHY..HE WAS 18 and she was 16. THEY DID NOTHING. THEY DID NOT EVEN INVESTIGATE. A POLICE officer who is a family friend and lived next door to CLAY advised him to delete the photos.
If anyone is reading this because the
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Were used in some combination on a search engine, the proper approach to this is to call the FBI office closest to you and get them to investigate this case or escalate it to the right people.
1-800-843-5678 is the hotline
the cyber tip line is
http://www.cybertipline.com/
Call them and they will respond. If Daniel had tried to spread the pictures around, they’d have confiscated the machines and servers it ended up on. If you’re looking for something that works, these are the people to call.
As a nod to the owners of this site, I going to make a polite plug for something. The above is the primary information. Below is a way to raise awareness of the link above and make it weightier in search engine traffic.
A ‘Background Check’ would not have protected this lovely girl, but a ‘background check’ will show flags for criminal investigations related to child pornography, as would the criminal background check the Air Force would have been performing, through the FBI on Daniel “Clay” Coffner. Daniel Coffner could have been stopped by the FBI, but even if all of this information had been available and easy to find, it would have required that information to be in the hands of this girl, Natasha Hall’s family, friends, and interested parties. Finding Child Pornography and stamping it out, especially that which probably was stored digitally on hard drives, thumb drives, memory cards and other digital media requires a sophistication rarely available to the average police department. The FBI has talented agents who can find and handle the evidence in these cases with care and concern.
Sounds like his family is nothing but fucktards. There must have been reasons for the cops not charging Clay for anything. I am not on your side and I am not against you.
I understand that there are multiple sides to every story.
It must be hard to feel that police are not responding like we think they should.
At the same time, there is something very wrong with a 16 year old being in an abusive relationship. Yes, I understand the police were called AFTER it got physical. But people rarely get physical until AFTER it’s been verbal and psychological. It’s not very believable that this POS was Clark Kent all day, but would just snap and turn into the Green Goblin with no warning.
It’s not just dangerous to have your family member involved with someone who physically assaults them, it’s tempting fate for them to be involved with anyone who does everything BUT physically attack. Because, someday, they will.
It is also, for very obvious reasons, a bad thing to have your 16 year old daughter getting what you yourself called ‘child pornography’ taken of her. And the first question most people will ask is…. how, where, when? How in the world did this guy have access to a child that lives in YOUR home? A good guess would be that even though your daughter was afraid of this POS, she willingly chose to get involved with, get naked with, get pictures taken of, and we all know probably what else she was doing with him.
While I understand your frustration with your perspective of what the police did NOT do, it really is too much to keep calling them for assistance so many times if behind their back the relationship is continuing. This is not personal about your daughter specifically, but most of us know someone we are angry with, who has repeatedly gone back to some POS that was abusing them, and who complained a lot, but when push came to shove, they wouldn’t prosecute.
I don’t understand the ‘blackmail’ angle. It should be pretty commonly known by now that any risky pix you take can be on the internet, on cell phones, all over the place in 2 seconds flat. Thinking that some 18 year old guy wouldn’t share his new porn pics with all his friends is pretty naive. At that point, it makes more sense to just suck it up, refuse all contact with him, and LET him publish the pictures.
That might have been embarrassing, but I’d rather be embarrassed than dead.
Please correct me if I’m wrong… isn’t this POS the one that had the long speech on his myspace all about ‘respecting’, ‘honouring’ and ‘waiting’ for women? Or are all these POS’s just starting to sound the same to me?
1. Don’t allow your children to get involved with anyone who is abusive verbally or who does not respect YOUR rules, if your child lives at home. Teach your children to not LIKE people who treat them like shit. Don’t allow them to date people who it’s illegal to have sex with. Know where your kids are at, and enforce curfews. You won’t be popular, but your kid will have forgotten how much they hated you for it by the time they have their own kids.
2. Don’t let anyone take ANY pictures of you that you wouldn’t be proud to show your grandma.
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I agree with GloryBug, as usual, but also know that, for lack of a better term, domestic abuse starts at home. I have 4 kids. They have been taught and are continuing to be taught that hitting is wrong, name calling is wrong. They are taught that if someone does hit or call names or demean them, we’ve got their backs.
My wife and I don’t agree on everything and sometimes argue, but we do agree domestic abuse will not happen in our house. We don’t call each other names, we don’t hit – we teach by thoughts, words, and deeds.
The kids have also been taught not to take pictures of themselves doing anything stupid and if they do, not to post them.
I can’t help but wonder what Natasha was being taught.
Don’t you idiots see that arresting someone or throwing them in jail doesn’t solve anything. He would have been back out in a week, a month, or even a year and been after her again. Sorry, but jail doesn’t solve psychological issues, it only makes them worse.
Also I would like to know why Clay’s mother didn’t teach him how to treat women respectfully, and wasn’t involved with the most crucial time of his life.
Clay’s Mother and Father need to be ashamed of them selfs.
If they’d gotten him on child pornography charges, and a federal warrant, he’d have been awaiting trial in a holding cell for 4 months before finally going on trial for about 10 years. His problems were more than merely psychological. He was less than human by the time he decided to kill her. We have to put monsters down.
I posted earlier that an abusive pschopath won’t stop because of protection orders, etc. And I should have also added that I wonder what Clay was taught although his actions were his own and indefensible.
I just love the pathetic essay called “Real Men.” It includes the line “Any guy can drive over to your house to hang out with you, it takes a real man to show up unexpected.” It really puts you in the mind of a psycho: I am her knight in shining armor and she is too stupid to realize it.
From his myspace- and my translation…
“Any guy can mess around, it takes a real man to find a girl and stick with her.
(Especially if her parents press charges)
Any guy can call you sexy, hot, and all that.. it takes a real man to call you beautiful.
(Because you are different and special, and if she can’t see that, then the bitch needs to die!)
Any guy can call you in tears begging you to take him back, it takes a real man to not have a reason to be in those tears.
(Those are wimpy tears. The tears you get by harrassing and assaulting her are MUCH more rewarding)
Any guy can say I love you, it takes a real man to say it and mean it even if all of his guy friends are standing around.
(Because after she’s gone, you can talk shit about her to your friends all you want, and the stupid bitch will never know she’s just a piece of ass)
Any guy can drive over to your house to hang out with you, it takes a real man to
show up unexpected.
(And, unexpected with a gun and some duct tape is even more manly)
Any guy can throw back a beer or two, it takes a real man to grab a coke instead knowing he shouldn’t do it if you’re not around.
(Because you really don’t want her to know how much you drink, because you led her to believe that you didn’t drink at all)
Any guy can have sex with a girl, it takes a real man to wait.
(Well, to wait until you see if the stick has two lines or one. And that’s a fucking LONG 3 minutes)
Any guy can be with you on the best days when everything is ok, it takes a real man to stay by your side for weeks if thats what it takes when it feels like your world is falling apart.
(If I have nothing better to do, or no other chicks to screw, I might pretend to be supportive of your problems… if it means I get to fuck you with no condoms, which is likely, especially if you are depressed and feeling unloved)
Any guy can talk noise with his friends when a sexy girl walks by, it takes a real man to look the other way.
(Because if you look the other way you won’t miss the hottie walking on the other side of the street)
Any guy can be sweet and true to your face, it takes a real man to stay sweet and true when you’re gone.
(Or to set it up so that it looks like I’ve been sweet and true. Besides, prostitutes don’t generally rat on their johns)
Any guy can give you a hug, it takes a real man to just hold you.
(But if you reject me, or struggle too much, I’ll have to use the rope and duct tape)
Any guy can mess around with a girl when she’s laying beside him, it takes a real man to just lay there.
(Surprisingly, it’s easier for her to be laying beside him if she’s dead, and has stopped resisting)
****Any guy can answer the phone when he knows you’re having a bad day, it takes a real man to call you throughout the day just to make sure you’re ok.
(It also helps to figure out exactly who she’s been talking to, and when. Or where she’s at. Or what kind of whoring she’s doing)
****Any guy can hit reply to a text msg, it takes a real guy to be the person who sends a msg first.
(It takes an even bigger guy to text a message, and if she doesn’t answer fast enough, hit her)
Any guy can read this message and swear to themselves that this is them, it takes a real man to actually do these things.
(And men who do this, unless they commit suicide first, could swear that this is them as they sit in their prison cell)
Sorry, not as good at translation as my friend on the BPD website.
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Glory glory glory…you are seriously too damn funny.
Danger, I’m gonna have to say I kind of agree with you a little. While I don’t think the daughter deserves hell cause she was young, I do think more could have been done on the mother’s part.
WTF??? The police told her not to call 911? What about a restraining order? Honestly…..
And your right,her parents should have done more to protect her.
Some POS’s never really got the full recognition that PYSIH has been know to give to others… Personally, I’m seeing a mother and daughter who deserver hell also…
Mom’s… Press charges against these pieces of shit and do all you can to protect your daughters from them…
Girls… Quit talking to them… Quit meeting them… And start throwing more McDonald’s Ice cream at THEM!!!
Amy, I agree someone should have reprimanded for telling her she would get arrested if she called again. However*just playing devil’s advocate* they never filed a restraining order and the police came there like 9 times in 3 months and her family never pressed charges. Or they would then drop them, really the police can only do so much.:-(
*should have been* i hate my phone:’(
*should have been* i hate my phone:-(
Yeah, i know, but you’d think at some point the police would insist on filing an AVO.
I just don’t understand the obsession. Why not just get over it? I mean he seemed like a good looking guy, why not find someone that wanted you?
I would also say that you couldn’t pay me enough to go back to my teenage years when you thought that your life began with your significant other and ended with them. I know that my heart broke more in my teenage years before I figured out that I didn’t have to take that crap than ever. Man, all of the years you cry when you are a teenager.