The Smoking Gun has an interesting story about 31-year-old Jaime Foss.
Jamie had several sexual encounters with a 15-year-old boy, who evidently enjoyed the experience quite a bit.
Of course, when the kid was confronted by the person who made the complaint (probably his mother), the boy cried and said that Jamie loved him and that he loved her, and basically showed why kids shouldn’t be allowed to be with the opposite sex until they turn 26 or so.
Jamie Foss was originally charged on the 19th of March, 2008 with a few counts of sexual assault with a child under the age of 16 - charges she freely admitted to.
The judge gave her bail terms, which Jamie Foss managed to post, and within a few hours she was out walking free, on the condition that she have no contact whatsoever with the teen boy she had been having sex with.
Well, surprise, surprise, on the 2nd of April, 2008, police came to her house and found the 15-year-old there with her. Jamie Foss was promptly re-arrested and is now going to sit for a while. She could possibly be sentenced to 40 years on each of her three charges.
Now, I don’t know about you, but I’m seeing more and more stories of these 30-something women having sex with younger boys and girls.
Are we as a society actually seeing more older women molesting young boys now?
Or is it just something that has been going on for a long time, and more of these incidents are coming to our attention due to the ever-hungry media machine that loves these kinds of stories?
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[re: Are we as a society actually seeing more older women molesting young boys now? Or is it just something that has been going on for a long time]….
I think it is something that has been going on a long time, it is just now being brought to the publics attention. I had an ex-boyfriend (he is about 30ish by now) that kissed his teacher when he was in middle school while he was her student. More probably went on but even if it didn’t, why the hell was she doing kissing her student in the first place. She still called him all the time to “see how he was doing”. He never thought there was anything wrong with it…I used to tell him how that it’s not right what she did to him but he never “got it” - So it [female adults seducing innocent little boys] has been happening all along, just no one ever talked about it until now.
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I believe it’s been going on for a long time but it’s just know starting to come out. Also, while the media and many courts still have a double standard when it comes to older women/young boys, the knowledge that these relationships are just as damaging as older men who take advantage of young girls is also starting to take hold. I say ship all these pedos to mars.
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Jesus, these kids are young enough to be their children. I hate the double standard. I’m 30 and the thought of so much as kissing someone that young makes me feel sick.
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While the boy’s morals are going to be warped, I do not see her as a beast, sinse he is the one who initiated the relationship. She shuld have put a stop to it immediately!
I do think that 40 years is extreme, especially after reading about other stories like murder where the POS gets way less time.
There is no rape here.
at 15 I would have gladly fucked her brains out . Although I was a good boy at that age, I am sure that if I had the hots for her, a few chickens would have been choked in her honor!
In the court’s persuit of equality, it ignores some basic facts when it comes to secuality.
When I was in High School, there was this one teacher, who was also Polish. My last name was easier than his, BUT many girls could say his name easily enough. Many girls thought he was hot and I am sure that he could have been with many with no “rape” issues.
So lets get withthe facts
There is no rape
The “victim” is a junvenille
The “victim” started the relationship / activity
IT’S STILL WRONG
My reasoning
1. No “horrible” crime
2. Adukt should have known better - put on breaks
3. Crime more serious if the minor was younger, less serious if older
My sentence
These pervs should get a sentnce based on the minor’s age for the crime. Thus the minor is 15 - so the “Age Factor” is between 2 or 3, thus sentence this woman to a period in jail of 4-6 years for the Orgional infraction, and then through the book at her for violating probation.
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I think the problem is how differently boys and girls see these kind of experiences. I know 3 guys that had their first sexual experiences when they were under 12 and all them retell the experience with great glee saying how happy they were to be having sex at such a young age. Girls just dont have that same feeling about it.
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Fred reply on April 6th, 2008:
Thank you for actually acknowledging that there is a difference between boys and girls and for not writing them off as pigs just because they do not see sex as you do.
Men & women are different, but have the same value as human beings.
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Why can’t we send her to hell?
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Ashlee reply on April 7th, 2008:
She shouldn’t go to hell, because of what happened. I know her very well. And shes a really nice women. I love her like my own friend. Just give her a break jeez people! Doesn’t she get enough of this from being in jail, and it being all over the news. How do you think her kids feel? Have you ever thought about that? None of you people can say anything about her, because you dont even know her. Its not just her fault, the boy wanted to do it too. So, just back off. My best friend is her daughter. So please, stop talking, because you dont know her.
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TurtleMania reply on April 7th, 2008:
Ashlee, I understand where you’re coming from. I do.
But I have one question for you.
What is your friend doing here on this webpage?
I didn’t put her here!
Who put her here? and Why?
You answer that for me.
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Fred reply on April 8th, 2008:
Still - as much as I would have bagged her when I was 15, SHE did consent and SHE did break a law.
If she had been raped, then that woud be another story.
I will agree that she does NOT deserve hell because there was no rape here, but SHE did break a law, it’s just that simple.
40 years? She does not deserve that either, but she should learn to say NO.
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Meaghan reply on April 8th, 2008:
Are you seriously suggesting that we should not send criminals to jail if they have minor children?
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ak reply on April 9th, 2008:
Ashlee,
Can I get your best friend’s telephone number so I can call her mom because she is hot.
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There is a huge double-standard, an attitude of boys will be boys, he’s a stud mentality. Problem is that at 15 he’s really not emotionally ready to have a sexual relationship. Mr Winky may have been all growed up, but 15 years old is still a kid. He may well have initiated, but I’m quite sure Ms. Foss knew very well what she was doing when she invited him over. Just because she didn’t abduct him, or tie him up, or get him drunk doesn’t make her any less guilty than if she had.
She’s not a bad looking lady. If she wanted to get laid, she wouldn’t have any trouble. She, instead, chose to have sex with a kid. That is rape. A child is not expected to make a mature decision. An adult is.
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DualDenz reply on April 7th, 2008:
i disagree, even though she was wrong and she knew it, you cannot say it was rape because the sex was consentual. consentual sex can’t be rape in my opinion.
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Miwist reply on April 7th, 2008:
A child cannot be expected to make a mature decision - that is why it is considered nonconsensual, therefore rape.
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DualDenz reply on April 8th, 2008:
again i must disagree, at the age of 15 i was more then capable of making that decision, since i was a walking hormone factory and pretty much horny 24/7. i’m quite sure the guy in this story much enjoyed the experience (i know i probably would have at that age).
don’t get me wrong here, the woman needs to be punished for statutory rape, but if you look at it objectively, it wasn’t rape. rape is being forced to have sex, that was not that case in this matter.
at the age of 15, some kids will start to have sex, it’s a fact of life. this guy will remember the experience as something possitive, i’m sure of that.
Belle reply on August 28th, 2008:
In a legal stand point Miwist is correct, Minors are considered to not possess the maturity to make rational informed decisions so their choices are often viewed as irrelevant, therefore their consent does not equal true consent in the eyes of the law.
There are many problems with this.
She, as an adult, did not set limits, and did not act in the child’s best INTEREST- not his desires.
He, as a child was not given adult-set limits that he had to abide by. Whether or not he wanted a sexual experience is not important. If he was the aggressor, he should have been given normal limits, and then he should have mastrubated in private, which is what normal people do when they want someone they can’t have. Masturbation hurts nothing except your hand.
The fact that so many people remember their first sexual experience is what is important here. It sets the stage for most people’s whole lifetime of sex.
I personally would not want to have a sexual relationship with someone who was preyed on by someone older. I find it unimaginable that whatever that sex might have been, that it would reflect anything of what a mature woman would want from a mature man. In other words, I doubt she taught him anything useful. He may have gotten off and liked it- but that’s not the kind of experiences most adult women want from their men.
I do have a problem with some rape laws. I think that if it’s consentual, even if they’re stupid, and the parties involved are within a year or two of each other, it shouldn’t be prosecuted if it was a ‘one-on-one’ situation.
Once both parties are ‘legal’ and emancipated, who cares what the age spread is? Stupid people will get used by users no matter their age. But if they can’t drive, can’t drink, and can’t vote…. sex is probably not the smartest thing they should be doing.
Maybe guys wish they’d had sex with some 40 year old woman when they were a kid, but most women would not think that was the best way to get a solid instruction of what women like sexually as adults.
People only want to focus on the sex, on the desire on the boy’s part- without being logical about the appropriateness of that. Boys at that age have no comprehension that sex makes babies. Several female pedo teachers have proven that point lately. Is it good for a child to have come from a 13 year old boy and a 40 year old woman?
Once you take the ‘getting off’ part of it out of the equation, it’s pretty clear that there are many reasons why it is bad for either boys or girls to be preyed on by pedos. And that is what adult women who have sex with boys are.
It’s hard not to notice sexual things when you have boys. I have 2 of them. I want their first experience to be as fun as mine was. With someone my own age, who I liked and was comfortable with. I was even luckier that my first had no previous experience, and no preconceived ideas of what we were supposed to do. We learned a lot, and I’d like to think our later partners have appreciated that. Having had sex with an older man would not have resulted in that for me, nor for him with an older woman. We were also old enough to understand that it could result in babies, and old enough to have gotten fulltime jobs to support them.
People seem to forget some things…
The best sex I ever had was the sex I didn’t have. The sex I wanted to have. It’s a pretty fucking wonderful feeling to reeeeaaallly want someone, even if you don’t ‘get’ them. It’s even cool as an adult. Getting everything you want isn’t always the best in the long run.
Children who have sex- and possibly make a baby- make childish mistakes. Adults who do that with children, whether they are male or female, are pedophile predators. Think about it. How mentally healthy could an adult woman be who wants to have sex with a child who couldn’t possibly satisfy her sexually- other than in a mentally twisted way? It takes adult men quite a while to become really ‘good’ in bed. How good could a child be?
Pedophiles are mentally ill and not good for children, no matter if the child supposedly ‘wants’ to get laid, and there should be no double-standard. If you think teen boys should be allowed to fuck adult women just because they want to, then it should be ok for teen girls to fuck adult men because they want to.
Teens also like to eat candy all day, and have no clue what it’s like to have a job. We should let them make decisions about sex and having children when legally they can’t drink, smoke, vote or drive? Please.
I wish more people would think this crap through and then choose the obvious solution– arrest pedophiles and stop acting like masturbation is a sin.
c
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TurtleMania reply on April 7th, 2008:
Bravo! This is one of your best post.
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I don’t want to ruin the age-old boy-dream of bagging the teacher, but I do want to say—
Based on the 20 something years I’ve been an adult, have had boyfriends and husbands, and have talked frankly with girl friends…. I cannot see what in the world a ‘boy’ could do for a woman sexually. There’s enough adult women complaining about their men in bed….
Whether or not a teen boy would like to have sex with an adult woman is not the problem. The problem is that any adult woman who wants to have sex with boys is mentally deficient. And it’s not good for children to be around people like that, whether they’re getting off at the time or not. Children should not be around adults who are not mentally balanced enough to look out for their best interests.
A pedo is a pedo, no matter if the perp is a man or woman, or if the victim is a boy or a girl. Children shouldn’t be around abusers or murderers either. Just common sense.
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Fred reply on April 7th, 2008:
While you DO make sense, I still wish I had “bagged” a few of them older women.
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Thinking back to my jr and high school experiences, there were at least a handful of male teachers (and one female!) and coaches who in retrospect quite clearly could have turned into something. Having crushes, whether teenaged or adult is pretty exciting.
But we didn’t. Which is good.
Just because you have the hots for someone, or a crush on them doesn’t mean you should have sex with them. Especially if you are a teen girl who can get pregnant, or you are a teen boy who can get someone pregnant.
Adults are supposed to be aware of the whole ’someone could get pregnant’ thing.
And, Fred, I have no doubt you wanted to bag many a female… teen or adult. But as a 15 year old, you weren’t as mature as you think, considering that you would not be able to work to support any child conceived from that.
I’m more concerned with children being cared for and supported than I am for everyone being allowed to ‘bag’ whoever they want.
Plus- I enjoyed my youthful experimental years with young men my own age. Now I look at them and wish I’d appreciated their youthfullness more- but I would never want to have sex with them. It was fun then, but adult sex, where both parties are more educated is a lot more fun.
c
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Um, HE seduced HER.
He even brought a condom along.
So it’s not like he was the unwilling victim. She should not have allowed it, but the report makes it very clear that HE was the initiator of all sexual contact.
Which brings up an interesting question: had he forced her, could a 15-year-old “innocent victim” rape an adult? Or would THAT also be considered a rape of him by her?
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Why does this kid keep losing it on the damn sheets? Pinhead!
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I have to admit I’ve been on the other side of things. When I was 15-16 I thought it was great I was messing around with all these milfs and what not. I thought it was the shit to get to have sex with 30 year olds and +. Never thought anything wrong with it. My thought process was obviously I’m good at what I do and thats why they keep coming back.
There was an instance where this one chick was kind of stalking me like a year later, showed up at my work and my house (coincendentally I was trying to fix my “alcohol” problem which was an excuse to keep using speed which she “tempted me with” just to get in the car with her…that’s not the point)
The Point is is that when you’re that age you think it’s the shit when someone elder is interested in you…however looking back I was like damn…those are some serious perverts. I say that plural cause it happened more than once. I don’t think I’m scarred from it and I don’t need therapy but like I said, I can see the other angle.
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When I was 15 I had casual sex 3 times with a 24 year old English teacher from my high school. IT WAS GREAT! She was kind, considerate, and taught me a great deal about myself. It was very therapeutic. I have gone on to lead a “normal” life with no hang ups at all about sex. By the way, I was never one of the teacher’s students. I believe that she slept with several other boys in my class. Mostly those of us on the football team.
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Our society draws this magic line at 18; having sex with someone below that line is criminalized. Yes, we need these laws, because we can’t allow dirty old men to mess around with 13 year old girls.
Nonetheless, the line is arbitrary. A fifteen year old, biologically, is not a “boy” but a typically very virile young man, though inexperienced. In past years it was common for such young men to have their first sexual experiences with older women. If it was done consensually and caringly, it was a “win-win” for both.
Sounds like such a situation here. The young man came on to the older woman, and was even wise enough to pack a condom. This wasn’t molestation or “rape,” it was healthy, good old fashioned consensual sex. The only harm done is being done by the courts, which are in the process of wrecking the woman’s life, and enmeshing the young man in all kinds of legal issues, and publicity, that do him no good whatsoever.
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Ewwww@having sex with a 15 year old. I will have to admit that when I was 24 this 18 year old was chasing me and finally talked me in to going out with him. He was out of high school, had a job and was pretty mature for 18. And, since I was flattered by the attention, I went out with him. We got along great, had a wonderful time and we are still friends to this day. That was nearly 20 years ago. I will say that I draw the line now at age 24. hahahhahaha. I tell them, if you are younger than my son, get the hell out of my face. LMAO. Anyway, 15 is just gross. I can’t imagine what in the HELL a kid like that could do for a grown woman. ICK. My sons have friends that are really cute and they TRY to flirt with me but I tell them to quit it, they are giving me the creeps. hahahha. Damn kids.
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….31……15…..if this had been a homosexual relationship you would’ve seen the ACLU and all the other pro-homosexual groups all over the case demonstrating their support to their “lifestyle”.
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Belle reply on August 28th, 2008:
Stop trying to take any excuse you can find to gay bash, you look like an idiot.
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The first time I had consensual sex I was 14, the man I had sex with was 24. At the time I thought it was cool this older guy was into me. So I went along for whatever… as an adult I know I made the wrong decision. I did it for a lot of reasons, none of which make much sense now. I realized as I got older and began working through the issues created by my childhood, that I was taken advantage of. I was coerced by a pedophile into an unhealthy relationship. I can’t really even say I didn’t know then it was unhealthy because I ended it pretty quickly. My point is that as a child we see things differently, and even if we know something isn’t right, we may not know WHY it isn’t right until many years later, when the damage has already been done. Which is why children do things they know better than to do… to find out WHY it’s bad. Some mistakes shouldn’t be learned that way. Any adult who choose to go along with a child’s desire to test those boundaries is a pedophile. Period. Male or Female.
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i don’t think this is an issue of “rape” or “sexual assault”. the issue is that women at that age are not supposed to be looking at 15 year old boys that way. adults, especially TEACHERS, are supposed to serve as role models and guides for children. they are supposed to be helping them to grow up and get an education, not lusting after them like animals. it’s not only harmful to the student who is involved with her, but other students as well; how is a student supposed to trust their teachers knowing they are not objective towards the students and are out to sleep with the “hot boys”. in fact, how are children supposed to trust adults in general with stuff like that going on?
and what’s scary about women like her is that they are not desperate or anything. it is fairly easy for a woman to get laid by a mature adult man, she just has to go to a bar. but these women CHOOSE the young boys. they are not just looking for sex, they are looking for sex with teen boys.
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boys hit their sexual peak before they turn 18, women hit their sexual peak well into their 20s.
but i do know one good reason why underage boys shouldnt have sex.
because i didnt get to when i was underage
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Amy reply on October 29th, 2008:
LOL…now thats a good reason…in your mind anyway!
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