Brenda Thiel
Well it looks like 27-year-old Brenda Thiel found religion.
Brenda Thiel, who was living with her mother, her two-year-old son Caleb and her 8-year-old daughter in a small two-story home in Neenah, Wisconsin, recently joined Christ The Rock Community Church in the nearby town of Harrison.
According to Kathy Mulvey, a neighbor of Brenda Thiel, Brenda was very happy with her new church.
She said it was the best thing that ever happened to her.
While joining this new church might have been the best thing that every happened to Brenda Thiel, it certainly wasn’t the best thing that every happened to little two-year-old Caleb Thiel, who was going to turn three in July.
After joining her new church, Brenda Thiel, who is described by a neighbors as a “very nice woman who sold Avon products,” started to read the Bible more often.
And, while there is nothing inherently wrong with reading the Bible, once you start hearing voices in your head you might want to slow it down a bit. Go see an R-rated movie. Go read some Harry Potter books. Possibly look into picking up a copy of Dawkins’ “The God Delusion.”
Brenda Thiel, however, did not slow down when she started to hear voices.
According to Brenda Thiel, on the 2nd of May, 2008, she had a dream about tornadoes. In that dream, Caleb was saying “Mama.”
While Brenda was sleeping, she thought she heard a voice say, “Little boy do the job” or something along those lines.
That’s a fairly ambiguous statement for anyone that would hear it. Really, God – or just the voices in her head – could have been telling her to just get the kid a job selling pancakes to lesbians. Or possibly the voices could have been telling her that Caleb needed to start making shoes, or selling lemonade, or just learning how to use the potty.
Caleb was only two, after all.
But Brenda Thiel didn’t think that what she heard was instructing her to do any of those, non-murderous things. No, Brenda Thiel felt that the voices meant for her to hurt Caleb.
Not that she really wanted to. She fought the urge, you see. She thought to herself, “No, you’re not going to do that.”
With that complicated mental exercise over, Brenda Thiel rolled over and went back to sleep. When Brenda woke up the next day, she felt better and everything was fine.
Brenda Thiel didn’t hear any more voices for a while.
But.
On Sunday, the 4th of May, 2008, Brenda Thiel was reading the Bible again when she had what she describes as a “hot flash” and that tornado dream popped back into her head.
Brenda Thiel went to bed at about 9 at night, climbing into the bed where her son Caleb was already asleep. She fell asleep next to him. Caleb was still sleeping when Brenda woke up at about 5 in the morning on the 5th of May.
Out of the blue, Brenda Thiel put her hands over the face of her sleeping son and said to herself:
This is the best.
While her son woke up, struggling to breathe, struggling to break away from his mother’s grip and struggling to pull some air into his lungs, Brenda Thiel kept her hands over her son’s face.
Caleb, probably with his eyes open, looking at his mother and feeling a desperate hope that mommy was going to make everything better, whimpered and died.
Once Caleb stopped breathing, Brenda Thiel put his head on a pillow, lay with him for 15 minutes and then went outside and smoked two cigarettes. Her nicotine fix sated, Brenda Thiel went back into her house and told her mother that she had just killed her son.
Brenda’s mother immediately called police, who responded and found Brenda Thiel in the downstairs bathroom, kneeling on the floor with her hands on her face. For some reason, Brenda Thiel thought it was a good time to show the officers a scar that she said was from a recent suicide attempt and to let the officers know that she was on prescription anti-depressants. She also stated her reason for killing her son, who was still warm in the bedroom when officers arrived:
They told me to do it. I was told to give my only son. I suffocated him.
Caleb Thiel was taken to the local hospital, where he was pronounced dead on arrival. There were abrasions on his neck, a spot on his right eye and a scratch on his nose from his final encounter with his mother.
Brenda Thiel is expected to be charged with murder. As of the time of this writing, she was reportedly in a “secure location,” but not in the local jail.
In all likelihood, she has a Bible in her hand.
Update:
An Outagamie County child protection investigation has determined that Brenda Thiel’s children weren’t in danger less than a month before 2½-year-old Caleb Thiel’s death.
The county’s Health and Human Services Department today issued a written summary of its investigation of Brenda Thiel. According to the county, Thiel and the children were living in separate homes at the time of its April 10 investigation into a report that Thiel had expressed thoughts of harming her children.
Outagamie County began an investigation of Brenda Thiel on the 10th of April, 2008, based on a referral from Winnebago County authorities. The case was referred because Thiel was one of its employees.
Winnebago County was contacted on the 31st of March, 2008. The caller, when interviewed by an Outagamie County official, said that the children were living with Brenda Thiel’s father and stepmother while Thiel was living with her mother. Brenda Thiel had no unsupervised visits with the children, the caller said.
Because Thiel had no unsupervised visits with the children, a child protection supervisor screened out the referral as not needing any further investigation.
According to the released summary, Brenda Thiel moved back in with her children on the 27th of April, 2008.
The Health and Human Services Department received no further contact about the Thiels until after Caleb’s death.
According to the summary, the Thiel family had not received Outagamie County services in the past, nor had the county heard any complaints or reports of child abuse prior to the April 10 investigation.
27-year-old Brenda Thiel has been charged with first-degree intentional homicide and is being held in the Winnebago County Jail on a $500,000 cash bond.
Does Brenda Thiel deserve Hell?
- Yes (86%, 468 Votes)
- No (14%, 78 Votes)
Total Voters: 546
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If this story is true, it is another utter wacko using the bible to justify their insanity.
Ha! I found a picture…
http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/16743/2002345649801342889_rs.jpg
Oh, it seems as though the webmasters disabled link attachments here, yes.
If you want to see her picture, Goggle her name. It’s posted on Dan Carlson’s Business Opportunites Weblog.
Get it while supplies last…
Sterilize the bitch, stat.
Sorry I do not have my Bible with me, so I can not do an exact quote of the verse nor do I know the specifics.
The Bible does state that we have an enemy, Satan – period.
The Bible does state that wierd thoughts will pop into our heads, but such does not abslove anyone from responsibility for acting upon such thought because the Bible states that we are to hold each thought captive and see if it is consistant with God’s word.
A decent Christain shojuld have enough of a working knowledge of God’s word such that one knows it’s OK to kill someone who is breaking into the house, while a 2 year old is not OK to kill.
If still confused, seek the counsil of peers. Unless one belongs to a wacked out cult, odds are that one or more of the peers will know enough that there is little to no grounds for killing a 2 year old child, despite what any instructional voices are saying.
So in short, the Bible is complete enough to know that people will hear voices or will recieve instruction from questionable sources. The Bible requires one to judge each thought against the standards contained within the Bible before taking action.
Of course one does not need to read the Bible when inside a burning building – God gave all of us enough common sense to seek an exit – although a quick prayer may help in said situation!
thus I feel that she deserves punishment. While I sin and fall short, we need to hold each other accountable.
She obviously did not follow the proper procedure.
She should not be able to use religion as a defense because she did not follow her religion 100%; the prosecutor should be able to use religion against her because she fell short in doing her Christain duty which was to question something that is so against common sense.
>”So in short, the Bible is complete enough to >know that people will hear voices or will >recieve instruction from questionable .sources. The Bible requires one to judge .each thought against the standards >contained within the Bible before taking >action.”
Genesis 22
2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.”
Exodus 32
27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
The Bible is a weird place, and God often tells people to kill other people. If you are sick and you read the Bible you may believe God is telling you to things.
Imagine looking mommy in the eyes while she’s trying to kill you. It’s enough to shatter your heart.
Oh, this is for my wonderful mommy near Mother’s Day.
I wish I could tell you these things, but now, thanks to you, I am in a small coffin customized for someone my toddler size.
“Mommy I promise I’ll be a better two year old!”
“I won’t cry as often if that’s what got you vexed”
“Mommy I’ll try to ask for your attention a lot less as to refrain from disturbing you.”
“Mommy I am sorry day care is so expensive. Trust me, if I were older I’d look after myself.”
Just say “NO” to God.
I believe in a Higher Power; I believe in God. Man is not the end all on top of it all authority that Darwin wants.
If everyone obeyed the 10 commandments, this world would be a different place. I’ve broken a few of the commandments myself and as a result my life will never reach its full potential.
Unfortuantely some churches seem to be a haven for wack jobs – weather as members or leaders. We can not throw out God because of them.
If we were to throw out everything that has a wacko on he inside, Hollywood should have sut down years ago. In first grade I repeatedly punched a teacher who physically abused me (not sexual). Should we shutdown the public schools?
Much good has been done in he name of God – churches, schools, hopspitals, missions, food pantries and other charities.
Wether you believe that God is real or not, God brings out the good in people; God makes people grow up.
If you think that peole are naturally good, put 2 2 year olds near eachother then put a few things that both like in between.
Is sharing instinctive? Or will we see one bully the resources?
Just say “NO” to radicalism!
Jesus Christ, God himself, invites people to follow him; even God does not demand!
Jehovah Witneses are zelious, but not radical.
Flying planes into buildings because we are infadels – is a mark of a radical!
Child killing – radical, looney…
While one is free to be whatever, do not demand that I like it. Be gay, just don’t expect me to be gay or like every aspect of your sexuality.
Pedophiles are vile – NAMBLA is just plain wrong
“I miss you Mommy”
I remember the love we shared
When I was little you held me close
But all the while I was in your care
I’d never guessed you were a psycho
You comforted me when I cried
And you gave milk from your breast
I trusted you mommy, never did you lie
Inside your arms all my needs were addressed
I want to swim in that ocean with you
It was blissful and provided me great comfort
I miss you mommy Do you miss me too?
Mommy, ocean is gone an aridly dry desert
I’ll never have a wife, career and kids
You decided and took it all away
Mommy must not kill, the law forbids
The bond we made you betrayed
Now I’m a spirit watching and waiting
I’m happy with God can’t you tell?
Now I sit with heavenly host and I’m praying
For my mommy to go to hell
I miss you mommy and I dream I can see you at the gateway of hell.
Mommy, don’t disown me like Peter did three times.
Love always,
Caleb “Brave One” Thiel
brenda has alot of issues to deal with and no she should not be using the bible as a scapegoat, however, i do not feel u know the family is going through a tremendous loss at this time. i do believe in an eye for and eye and Little Caleb will get to see his mother punished, we wont be the ones to do it he will. and he deserves respect for the life he and his family have had to suffer through.
I”m glad Brenda got this little wake up call so she can deal with her issues before something tragic happens.
I’ll bet little Caleb can’t wait for Mom to come to heaven so he can hold a pillow over her face. Too bad he’s only 2, he won’t be able to legally enjoy a couple of Marlboros after he’s done smothering Mom.
Oh well, hell and damnation, gotta be happy with what you can get, I s’pose.
I hope she doesn’t get a Yates break.
Piece of filth.
Just another example of how dangerous it can be when you mix crazy people with religion. Unfortunately, it seems to be an especially bad combination for young children. My heart breaks a little bit more every time I hear about another little innocents being suffocated, or denied basic medical treatment in favor of prayer, or tossed in a bathtub full of scalding hot water.
Damn….
Just from what I read on this site — I know nothing else about the case — I’m inclined to think this woman is mad rather than bad. Obviously she’s dangerous, and clearly it was horrible and wrong and incredibly tragic and her child did not deserve what happened to it. But I’m not convinced she’s on the level of, say, Richard Speck here, or that lady in Ohio who locked her foster kid in a closet for a week.
I think you’re right, Meaghan.
One of the clearest signs of psychotic violence (though it’s not always present) is when there’s no attempt to cover it up. Thiel didn’t try to avoid discover, or wait to be discovered: she announced what she’d done.
What kind of sick SOBs are you to even have a site like this. Wake up…hell doesn’t exist. And if it did I’d disown the god that created it. Brenda suffered from a mental illness as some of you do. No different than cancer or heart problems. Waste your time on eBay…not this shit.
Her illness is called head stuck up ass. That little man is a fact. I dont give a crusty sock f@*k if you like it or not. The truth is she killed a little child, full stop. you can hug her all you want but she said that she did not this website. So get over youeself. I for one would like to take a claw hammer to her face and let her feel the fear that the little boy felt. Can you hear him, mommy why, mommy stop. SO GO FUCK YOURSELF. I have no sympathy for her at all.
Sorry max I just had to cut loose on this punk.
ya know…you hear so much about anti depressants causing some horrible thoughts and people weak enough to act on them. How can you prescribe a drug that alters personality to someone that has issues with their mental faculties? It’s really a shame things like this happen, but really…where does the case of blame end? Surely it begins with this Brenda chick, but it just rolls downhill. No, don’t blame religion, faith had nothing to do with her state of mind, believe that.
I’m sure crazed murderers read all kinds of things – we should probably just get rid of all written material, right?
Larry – I’m going to work on a book entitled “Just kill yourself before you hurt others”.
Then I’d pass out the publishing to everyone with homicidal intentions.
Feel like killing? Here take a free copy.
Genius plan.
Yes, by Golly!
A Genius Plan!
I’ll help pay for the publishing!
I have to argue….I don’t like pancakes…
Women are crazy. This chick is pyschotic.
The voices in my head tell me all kinds of shit (mostly they talk amongst themselves or sing) but I don’t act on it! I’m smarter and better adjusted than they are – or they would be on the outside! DUH!
The voice in her head could have been God or the Dog next door – Fry the Bitch!
When I’m walking next to oncoming traffic, a voice inside tells me to jump in the street. I’m stronger than the id. I have to fight it, and move on. I guess some aren’t that strong and they succumb to the id.
She should have used some of her avon products. Maybe she wouldn’t have been so depressed. >>>Why don’t these crazy religious bitches ever hear the voice that says “Kill your ugly,crazy,moronic SELF?
Well, the common thread appears to be anti-depressants.
Look at all the school shootings…. all the shooters were on anti-depressants. From what I have been reading (google strange urges zoloft) these pills can give you “weird” urges and just a bizarre sense of reality. Not saying all medication is bad, but these pills can really send some people off the cliff.
Better to be depressed, than having urges to either kill or commit suicide!
Mr. Mike Puhl… webdesigner genius.. you need to seriously put down the crack pipe.
‘Cuz it’s making you talk all crazy-like.
There is no chance in hell that your pathetic campaign to ‘blacklist’ PYSIH will work.
First, because sane POS-hating people like myself are just not going to stop frequenting this site unless Admin asked us to.
Secondly, I think you underestimate Admin, and this site would still be just as busy without sponsors. People who hate POS’s will write for free, y’know?
“we expect that other reputable companies such as yahoo, google et. al. will follow suit shortly.”
Is that the Meth talking? You need to seek help if you’ve suddenly gotten the idea that ‘you’ are a ‘we’. Sybil, and all that. and if you think Yahoo or Google could give a rat’s ass about anyone’s website, when they provide links to some seriously disturbing porn shit, then you are even stupider than I thought.
But no… I think you (I mean you.we) are so majorly important in the big picture of life… that Yahoo and Google have heard of you and are dreading all that ‘legal’ (I mean website-building) power you wield, that they’ll be on their knees in seconds!
Because you’re just all that.
Talk about a Napoleonic complex. I’m guessing you are under 5ft4, and you like imagining that your 3 inch penis is actually an awe-inspiring 12 inches. And that when you wave it at Yahoo and Google, that they’ll just fold.
Get over yourself already, and stop whoring yourself up here. Pretty pathetic to be trying to use someone else’s website to promote some questionable talent you most likely don’t have. And while you’re at it- make a donation to PYSIH for even bothering to mention your lameass email.
While you’re at it, you stupid, self-important prick, since you’re so important and all that… could you please tell your (probably, since you’re soooo imoprtant) good friend George Bush to stop the war and bring our troops home?
Thanks.
c
LMAO@Glory!!!!! “3 inch penis”!!! hahahah i’m trying not to fall on the floor laughing because i’m afraid i would hurt myself. hahahha. this is some awesome reading i tell ya!!!
admin–once again, YOU ROCK!!! LOL
Updated with charges and background information.
Outagamie County child protection: FAILED!!!
Another case where welfare failed to provide protection. That bitch mother is a psycho.
really. this is someones family. have some respect
Have some respect? Respect for who?
I dont give a rats ass what she heard GOD does not tell people to kill babbies. This low class bitch is a rotten person period. burning is to good for her death is to good for her she needs to be chopped up in to little pieces and buried alive. As do all the scum that kill or hurt little kids. Thus endith the lesson.
unlike some others with documented illnesses, “god” told her to only kill one kid when usually its kill them all. my guess is she got tired of the responsibility of being a single parent to a toddler and wanted out, then realized there was no way to hide what she had done so she fessed up thinking she could play mental card and get out scot free or at least just slap on the wrist. hope she suffers miserably
Just…God Dammit…God Dammit…I really want to nail gun her sons photo to her forehead for the rest of her life…God Dammit…
Right there with you Janey.
let me have these religouse excuses and these supporters of child killers,so i can wipe my ass with em.another shit stain award to this bitch and any supporters of her.
I seen this on the front page and never heard of her before so I had to google her…
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From wsaw channel 7
“Posted: 3:57 AM Dec 31, 2008
Neenah Woman not Mentally Responsible in Suffocation of her 2-year-old son”
“Twenty-eight-year-old Brenda Thiel pleaded no contest to first-degree intentional homicide but also contended she was not guilty because of her mental state.
“A criminal complaint says she told police she heard voices telling her to “give her only son” just before she suffocated the boy, Caleb, in their home May 5th.”
“Winnebago County Circuit Judge Scott Woldt found Thiel not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect.”
“She will be placed in a mental institution instead of prison, and she will have the opportunity to petition the court for conditional release at six-month intervals.”
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I guess she didn’t know why she sat sobbing in the bathroom after she said her good-bye’s to her only son then?