Most Marines will tell you that there’s no such thing as an “Ex-Marine.”
In David Motari’s case, however, the United States Marine Corps would like to make an exception.
The world’s opinion of David Motari is…shall we say…a little, tiny bit negative?
22-year-old David Motari is originally from Seattle, Washington - a bastion for liberal compassion, earth-friendly ideals and the love of all creatures who walk this beautiful, deadly but endangered earth of ours. Even David Motari.
David Motari was most recently a Lance Corporal for the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment. An Iraq war veteran, David Motari was stationed at Haqlaniyah, Iraq until October of 2007, when he was transfered to the Marine Corps base on Hawaii.
The United States Marine Corps has decided that David Motari is no longer going to be a Marine. David has been kicked out of the Marines because he did this:
Yes, that is David Motari holding a little black and white puppy while another marine, his Sergeant, Sergeant Crismarvin Banez Encarnacion, is filming the incident with a cell phone.
And yes, that is David Motari saying, “Whoops, I tripped.”
And yes, that is David Motari throwing a puppy off a cliff, laughing while the puppy yelps and cries.
And yes, that is David Motari who is smiling for the camera, in a fantastic mood after the puppy has hit the ground below.
Well, the video was posted on YouTube in March of 2008. It was there for a while, getting quite a few views before YouTube yanked it due to violating their terms of use. Apparently, psychos can’t post videos where things are thrown off cliffs to die. Go figure.
Marine Corps leadership publicly expressed dismay at the video and promised to investigate everyone involved. Something about “winning hearts and minds” might have been mentioned. There was probably a lot of talk behind closed doors, a lot of yelling about how unpopular the Iraq war is, and how videos of Marines throwing puppies off cliffs isn’t likely to make the war more popular. There could have been talk about how the only thing left to do to piss off the world would be for a battalion of Marines to go on a kitten stomping mission in the streets of San Fransisco, followed by a baby seal skeet-shooting tournament on ABC scheduled right after a season finale of “Lost.”
Yeah someone had to go. The guy in the video who threw that puppy had to go. And that someone turned out to be David Motari.
David Motari was fairly easy to find, especially since Sergeant Crismarvin Banez Encarnacion, between chuckles, is heard on the video saying, “That’s mean, Motari.”
The Internet community explored social networking websites that David Motari created. Much in the same manner as with Lori Drew, people started to fuck with David a little bit. He got mad about people judging his puppy-throwing, explaining on his Bebo profile:
And this is the shit if I have to put up with everywhere I’ve gone today. Believe me, I’ve heard it all. The thing that you guys don’t understand is that you’re not out there.
What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me. Did you know that we’re not supposed to have dogs? Did you know that there isn’t medicine available for animals out there? So what the fuck do you want me to do with it. It was going to die a slow and horrible death.
Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn’t supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being “creative” that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can’t understand that.
Surprisingly, this statement didn’t swing the tide of human opinion back in David Motari’s favor.
The Marine Corps investigation lasted for a while. According to Major Chris Perrine of Marine Corps Base Hawaii:
This was a very detailed, very thorough investigation that went through the entire chain of command.
After everyone crossed their “I’s” and dotted their “T’s,” David Motari was given the boot from the Marine Corps on the 12th of June, 2008. While Major Perrine has stated that privacy laws prevent him from telling the world that David Motari has been given a dishonorable discharge, Major Perrine did mention that David Motari will not be allowed to re-enlist with the Marines and that he is leaving before the 5th of December, 2008 - which is when David Motari’s contract is up.
This statement essentially tells the world, “What the hell do you think? My God, ‘Was he dishonorably discharged?’ He’s lucky he’s still breathing.”
David Motari comes from a large, religious family. He has nine siblings and a mother. David’s mother remains supportive of her son and has expressed to the press that the family is still proud of David.
A moment of using bad judgment does not portray the true character or integrity of my son David. It does not show that when he was home on leave, the last thing he would do was buy soft dog food for our aging dog ‘Bear.’
It does not show the kind and gentle heart of a young man who served his country for 3½ years of his life. Nor does it show the battles he fought in Afghanistan or Iraq; that he fought for the freedom of the people of Afghanistan, Iraq and the United States of America!
The video released does not alter our opinion of him. The sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening,” the statement read. “Life goes on no matter how much grief we may be in. My son’s life will go on as will ours.
David Motari is now going to go out into the civilian world to find himself some gainful employment. Let’s make sure that we all welcome him with open arms.
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Since when do people smile while ‘putting an animal out of it’s misery?’ That guy has some tom fuckery going on with his mind for sure.
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DualDenz reply on June 13th, 2008:
fuckery of being at war for a while perhaps?
i’m certainly not happy about the event either, being an avid animal lover myself, but i’m not sure if the public outcry over the event and the dishonorable discharge are the right way to go. people can do weird shit sometimes and i’m not convinced he’s an evil person.
would people have been so upset had it been a terrorist going over the edge?
not trying to play devils advocate here, but you have to wonder what went through his mind when he did this? since his familly owns a dog too, i can’t imagine him not being an animal lover himself, so what was he thinking? peer presure possibly? i can only wager a guess really.
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laurin reply on June 17th, 2008:
alright, if you’re an animal lover, you just dont do things like that. the fact that you can say, “we dont know what he was going through, i cant imagine him not being an animal lover”, makes you sound like a complete idiot. i dont care how stessed i am or what situation im in, im not THROWING a PUPPY over the edge of a cliff, and then LAUGHING about it after it hits the ground. YOU disgust me for considering yourself an animal lover.
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Sweetypuffs reply on July 28th, 2008:
I haven’t looked into it because I really don’t want to see the videos (I’ve still never watched the puppy off the cliff one), but I’ve heard some of our military does stuff like this to the civilians. Like shoot at a mother taking her kids for a walk, or gleefully nearly orgiastically yelling while they mess with people that just happen to live there. And apparently some of this stuff was recorded as they seem to think it’s funny. I’m not looking for that shit though. And I take it with a grain of salt for I heard it on the radio. Who knows what is real anymore.
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This is so sad. Even if the dog was sick and dying, and he did want to put it out of its misery, why laugh? I could never possibly do that to an animal, let alone laugh about it. He shouldn’t ever be allowed to call himself a Marine. I was a military brat for 16 years and I respect our military more than anything, and this guy doesn’t even deserve to be in the same category as our military. He’s a piece of shit and I hope he gets what he deserves.
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letterfacts reply on June 14th, 2008:
i so agree, he was laughing when he murdered this poor animal… did he not even consider the fear he put in the puppy’s final thoughts before it died, while it was screaming in fear? wtf, this man is cruel to even say that was “creative”. i would have rather him shot the puppy, at least it would not have had the puppy end it’s life in such a fearful way. errh.. this is the assholes that go into the Marines and army so nobody can say anything about their cruel ways… shit, he even used the “The thing that you guys don’t understand is that you’re not out there.” defense. he is an asshole
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Hmmm, apparently the idiot who voted no thinks animal abuse is okay.
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So he’s into gay bestiality?
Big deal.
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Umm Does he deserve HELL? I think not.
He funked up he’s a goober, he will hear about this the rest of his life. The dog was prolly going to be some ones dinner.
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laurin reply on June 17th, 2008:
youre disgusting.
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He was in hell (Iraq) and new he gets to go home, lucky man. We have young kids pulling 4 tours of duty, these poor people are in hell and I imagine will be in hell for some time if you know the state of the VA system and a little thing called PTSD!!
No he does not deserve hell, Bush does for putting us in this situation!
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letterfacts reply on June 14th, 2008:
oh you are stupid. ppl like him are hiding their cruelty behind there situations.. everyone has to go through some type of hell, don’t make his situation any different than the mother’s who starved their children. a sin’s a sin. crap, if everyone thought like you, it would be considered ‘ok’ for the kids to shoot up the school, b/c those students and teachers made them go through hell. QUIT USING THAT AS AN EXCUSE. WE ARE ALL NOT SCREWED UP… HE IS… DON’T FRIGGIN BLAME THIS ON THE SITUATION. HE IS A MURDERER.
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Tress reply on June 16th, 2008:
First of all, he was in Hawaii when he killed the puppy. Second of all, this piece of shit VOLUNTEERED to be in the Marines. There was no draft. He chose to be a part of the military, and by doing so, you take a chance in being sent to war. Simple as that. And what about all the other soldiers that are still in Iraq? I haven’t heard about them killing any puppies? Hmm. You are an idiot.
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TurtleMania reply on June 16th, 2008:
Hawaii? NO WAY! Are you serious?
If this is true, it changes EVERYTHING.
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Tress reply on June 16th, 2008:
That is what the post says. “An Iraq war veteran, David Motari was stationed at Haqlaniyah, Iraq until October of 2007, when he was transfered to the Marine Corps base on Hawaii.”
TurtleMania reply on June 16th, 2008:
Ok Tress - thanks for pointing that out. Now we need to know exactly where “Spot” the puppy died. Was it in Iraq or on American soil?
IF it was in USA Hawaii then they have this here:
Hawaiian Humane Society-Telephone: (808) 946-2187 • Fax: (808) 955-6034
• 2700 Waialae Avenue, Honolulu, HI 96826
Wander er er reply on June 17th, 2008:
It did not happen in Hawaii, it happened in Iraq.
Not that the location makes it okay, just pointing out that he was no on US soil at the time of the incident.
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Tress reply on June 17th, 2008:
Thanks! How did you know that?
admin - Motari was in full kit in the video, they were on patrol in Iraq.
TurtleMania reply on June 17th, 2008:
Ah ha! That’s what I thought initially.
Thanks Tress for throwing me off :)
You know, It’s a wonder if soldiers do dumb shit to end their tours prematurely.
Some commit suicide, some make it through, some commit war crimes and this one tosses a dog. Now we have one McCain that wants to increase the chances of more dog tossing. Will this madness ever end?!
God. I’ve got half a mind to throw HIM over a cliff.
What about the other marine on camera? What about the guy holding the camera? What happened to them? They let their buddy murder a helpless animal and at least one of them laughed about it.
admin - Motari’s sergeant was given some kind of punishment, but it looks like he isn’t going to be separated from the Corps.
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kpop reply on June 14th, 2008:
thanks god! and thanks for letting us know how to spell sergeant correctly.
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Meaghan reply on June 17th, 2008:
That was the word that got me in the fourth grade spelling bee.
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Matt reply on June 27th, 2008:
FYI, you can only be given a dishonorable discharge if convicted by a court-martial. Since courts-martial are public record, the Major would have been able to comment on it if it had taken place. He was likely given an Administrative Discharge under other than honorable conditions. This discharge would prevent him from re-enlisting at any time.
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That prick deserves to twist on the devils fork in hell. Don’t give me that he was in HELL shit……Iraq ain’t shit.(not like WW2)
If He’s dumb enough to become a soldier then he shouldn’t bitch when they send his stupid ass to a war zone. (i doubt Iraq would even be classed as a war zone)
This Coward should be eaten alive by a pack of hungry dogs……….then be forced to suck satans cock in hell
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I’m hands off on this one guys. Combat dehumanizes a person, so for me to judge this kid’s actions, well, I don’t think I’m qualified. I like MrEtiopian’s sentiment: Blames the assholes who put Lance Corporal Motari in the shitty situation that twisted his mind. And this is coming from me, a guy who has 8 cats, including an FIV (Feline Aids) positive kitty and a diabetic (insulin shots twice a day) kitty.
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Max The Cat reply on June 14th, 2008:
I should have also included that I served in the Army during the early 1980’s, but I was a PMEL Tech (basically, a high class electronic tech), not infantry. I still had to pass the same Basic Training as everyone else though. There is a ton of both psychological and physical pressure to deal with during basic, the purpose of which is to make sure you can take hi-stress situations. Better to snap during training than combat. But Basic changed me, both for the good and for the not so good, so I can only imagine what a real combat deal must do to a person’s mind. This is why I can’t in good conscience condemn this marine for a admittedly terrible lapse in judgment. This is one of thos rare cases where you really have to have been there before you can criticize. My humble opinion anyways…..
Max
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He’s a douche. Um, his story just makes me annoyed. Blah blah blah, put it out of its misery…let’s not give Motari a job in a hospice please. Why didn’t he just leave the stray alone, jeez… Oh and Sergrant Giggles should get discharged too. What an assplunger. “That’s mean Motari…*snicker*”
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kpop reply on June 14th, 2008:
agreed, sargent giggles should have received some discipline as well.
he knows who he is and i bet after the backlash against his combat buddy he hopes to hell nobody recognizes him.
spineless.
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Every 4th of July my family gathering includes a troop card table in which we spend hours upon hours making and signing cards which we then place into dozens upon dozens of care packages. After doing this for years, we know exactly what can and cannot be put into those care packages. Among the coffee, wipies and the slew of other items… we always include small packages of dog and cat food. From what has been told to us by our hometown soldiers (and our local organization which works directly with our military to make sure the packages actually get there) … the military camps always have a stray or two running around. This “soldiers” blatant b.s. about “the dog being sickly and putting it out of its misery” and how “they aren’t allowed to have dogs” is just that… B.S. !!! I’m sorry… is vet school included with bootcamp? And no, they can’t bring Sparky from home to war- but by no means are they under orders to shoot animals upon sight!! WTF? His actions were completely psychotic and I have no qualms with him being dishonerably discharged. I am completely shocked. I will live with this image forever. Shame and Hell on you FORMER Lance Corporal David Fucktard Motari.
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It’s a puppy, for christ sake. People are dying, and we’re concerned about a puppy?
We expect this man to take human lives, but worry about a puppy.
How about not killing either?
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letterfacts reply on June 14th, 2008:
hey moron. it’s the idea that the puppy was an innocent factor in this. the people he kill are IN war, but the helpless puppy could not defend himself. say if it was a baby. a little baby that the bastard threw off the cliff, would it be ok then, jackass? no, of course not, b/c our human senses says “oh my, he murdered that little baby!” well, guess what, same thing, different species. think, miwist, think… before we see you on pysih.
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david reply on September 21st, 2008:
Letterfacts, there’s no such thing as a guilty dog either. A dog is neither innocent nor guilty. In fact, if he made light of killing a guilty human being, that’s still a million times more disturbing than killing a dog. I’m sorry but war dehumanizes you. I think it’s trivial that there is such outrage over the death of a dog.
And please don’t make an idiot of yourself by comparing a dog to a baby.
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Miwist: My point… DIDNT HAVE TO KILL THE PUPPY! Was the little black and white doe eyed yelping puppy a threat to him? No. His actions were sick. Psychotic. Distorted. Bush didn’t send him to war and tell him to kill puppies. This man-child flung an animal off a cliff for shits and giggles. He had a choice. Knew right for from wrong. This ass claimed to be human. Sane humans know right from wrong. He’s obviously not sane and did something horribly grotesque. Just for shits and giggles. Not okay. Ever. Big Difference between defending yourself in the heat/heart of battle and a twisted killing. Huge difference between fighting for the rights of Iraqi womens rights/killing when and only being attacked upon… and flinging a helpless animal off a cliff and laughing about it. This was twisted. 10 fold. This “man” has no conscience. Stop making excuses for him.
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Miwist reply on June 14th, 2008:
I’m not making excuses. Nor am I saying what he did is right.
I’m saying we’ve got a pretty screwed up set of priorities if we’re putting more emphasis on the life of a puppy than a human. The United States has trained him to kill a human without remorse, why should a puppy be different?
He was trained to be an emotional cripple so the United States can continue to have access to oil. Think about that the next time you fill your gas tank. We all have that puppies blood on our hands.
As for the rights of Iraqi women, you are believing a lie, a justification for an illegal war. It’s time the United States quit trying to impose our cultural beliefs on the rest of the world.
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Meaghan reply on June 14th, 2008:
I would agree that killing a human is worse than killing a puppy, but both acts are repugnant to me.
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letterfacts reply on June 14th, 2008:
wtF!!!?? when did we choose the puppy over the human? you don’t even know what we are saying? do you? you can’t prepare someone to kill someone. it’s all in our mind. the point is Miwist, is that when you are killing ppl who are killing you, it’s a lot easier… would you not agree.. that whole self defense thing kicks in… but when you are holding a little puppy and decide to throw it off a cliff, then you just killed a baby.
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mememe reply on June 14th, 2008:
In case you haven’t noticed, this ENTIRE WEBSITE is full of stories about humans killing humans. If dedicating a tiny amount of space to ONE STORY about a human killing a puppy is so offensive to you, then you’re the one who’s screwed-up .
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One of my brothers is in the Navy and served in Iraq for awhile. He’s home now. I may ask him about the policy re: dogs.
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Anyone else think it’s weird this dog throwing incident (while horrible) got more attention than that Iraqi kid who got his face melted off by a death squad?
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kpop reply on June 14th, 2008:
the man don’t want the serious crimes talked about.
i don’t think it is weird that nobody wanted to touch that story because that is how we deal with everything. just the same, it is all terrible.
there is no justification for any of what is going on there or in any war.
there is no reason to put these kids in those situations.
i feel for the soldiers, just doing their job to make this a better, safer place. i don’t think it is right or fair for them and we all know it isn’t right or fair to the peoples that they are being forced into warring with.
i’m glad you are paying attention.
more people need to know what is going on and care.
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Economic sanctions by the United States causes thousands of deaths throughout the world, the majority of them are babies. Granted, with their swollen little bellies and flies buzzing around their snotty noses, they aren’t as cute as puppies, but we should worry about them before we worry about this puppy ( I vote we name the puppy “Spot”).
Anyway, my point is that the United States directly and indirectly causes the deaths of thousands of people per year.
And yes, people are trying to kill our soldiers. The United States shouldn’t interfere in their affairs. We are an unwelcome presence in their country. The United States is frequently the aggressor, and the American people buy into the lies that the United States is in other countries to help.
Throwing cute little Spot off a cliff was crass and unneccessary, and certainly not in keeping with the Marine image, but Motari was only doing as he was trained - to kill.
Maybe he should have just chucked a baby over the edge, be a little proactive, you know, kill it before it has a chance to become a terrorists.
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Did this guy get in any criminal trouble for animal abuse/cruelty?
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#1: Soldiers are, in general, psycho-killers. Russian soldiers raping women in Germany at the end of WWII was as epidemic as it was casual. Also, American soldiers in Vietnam did horrible, wierd things. Part of the problem is that these guys sign-up for armed forces to pay their bills, id est, they aren’t able to “make it” in the 9-to-5 world, id est, they are in many cases losers to begin with. The “A” students get into commerce, and the “C” students go to the recruiting station. I know a lot about ” ‘C’-students” who can’t make it because I’m one of them.
Another part of the problem is the humiliation that seargents use to beat the men down into a malleable substance, ergo, the emergence of the soldier as psycho-killer.Humiliation is also employed, aside from the malleability “angle”, to just make them directly, again, psycho-killers.
Example: In the 1950s, my dad’s seargent says to him and the other new recruits on the first day “Forget about your girlfriend: someone else is down her pants now.” Hey, no, f__k you. Aggressive is one thing, wierd/cruel is another. Anybody who is insulted that I just said disparaging things about soldiers should know that I consider myself a bad person in ways that are quite substantial and regrettable, to say the least. If that doesn’t help: too bad. As long as the tacit policy of the armed forces is to go beyond making men “killing machines”, grievous acts and states-of-mind will be standard fare, in my estimation.
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Mulch reply on June 17th, 2008:
Obviously you have never served. Also obvious you dislike our soldiers and thrive on stories like this one. I served in the US Army as an Infantraman. I was no “killing machine” In 91 My company stopped in southern Iraq to kame sure a family of 5 had enough food to eat, warm blankets and medical help. Yah thats the ol killing machine. Stopping the war for a few hours to care for the very people we were sent to help.
People like yerself are sick in the head. You need help. I have the right medicine for you. You won’t like it though…
Do you know where you can stick you estimation? Shoudl I give you instructions with visual aids?
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this is just sad ….
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valor, dignity, honor, courage, et al.
he is no longer a marine because of the way he handled himself.
yes, war makes for crazy. it is a sign of character how one deals with the crazy, not only in the military but in life, in work, and in play.
mr mortari will live a long, hellish life knowing he became a celebrity for how he chose to deal with a simple situation and people will continue to HATE him because he made a very poor choice.
somehow i think cosmic justice is playing itself out.
not only will his actions continue to haunt him, think about the impact it has had on his family.
bless their hearts, because that has to be humiliating as shit.
“no, my son is back, he’s fine. thank god he is safe now. no, he didn’t receive any honors or medals. he became famous for being that shithead that thought it would be funny to throw a puppy off a cliff. yeah, i raised a kid to kill a puppy like that.”
HUMILIATING.
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I in no way think that people should hurt animals, but we have to understand that some people don’t value a dogs life anymore than the life of a fly. I hate to see anyone be cruel, but I don’t think there are alot of pet clinics humanily killing strays over there. What would have been a good solution. Maybe in the beginning he did care about the animals he was killing, and by now he has emotionally detached himself. I am pretty sure that the that people who work in slaughter houses to provide food for all of us have had to adjust their feelings in order to their job. He could have enjoyed the killing a little less, but he was over there fighting for our freedom, and I’m not ready to send him to hell for it.
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Miwist reply on June 15th, 2008:
How are these guys fighting for our freedom?
If anybody is infringing on our freedom, it’s the current administration. They have been chipping away at the constitution since the beginning of the war. Our freedoms first came under attack with the Patriot Act and it’s been downhill since.
The Bush administration is using the United States military to take control of the worlds oil. There are no terrorists. The few terrorists attacks against the United States were retaliation against the Wetern world force-feeding American culture and ideals on people that don’t want them.
Bush and his buddies are lying to the American people so they can continue using the military as a private army to increase corporate profits.
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Meaghan reply on June 15th, 2008:
Probably all of that’s true but it’s not really the point Penny was trying to make here.
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penny reply on June 15th, 2008:
It is because of our military that your right, our freedom is not under attack. My point being that these young men give up their lives for the good of our country, no matter if they agree with what the president is doing.
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The armed forces prefer that these guys be murderous animals. The cure for a lack of combat readiness is harsh training, and rage is indispensable to the character of a fighter. However, the rather pointed humiliation of the soldiers that the armed forces add to the harsh training brings twisted rage. Soldiers then leave their first estate. We need cruel killers, but this fellow is just an out-of-control pussy frat boy.*******************************************************
A lust for violence seems like cruelty, but is almost the exact opposite. Cruelty denotes self-control, but lust for violence denotes that which is out-of-control. I really hope that it doesn’t seem like I’m playing with words. Cruelty is the cold-hearted chopping-off of your own hand because it is hopelessly gangrenous, but a lust for violence is the chopping-off of your own hand because that sort of thing exites you. And because I have in my lifetime roasted to death ants with a magnifying glass, I also am an out-of-control pussy fraternity boy - let’s be clear about that. Neither was there a need for me to shoot birds with a bb gun when I was younger. Neither was there a need for any of you to ruthlessly tease awkward, unpopular classmates and make their lives an unbearable Hell.**********************************
So, to review: harshness breeds cruelty, which is good, but humiliation breeds lust-for-violence, which is bad.************************
I openly admit that at some point, the two concepts in question “cruelty” versus “lust for violence” do in fact intersect, but right now I’m trying to speak in the most sterile sense for purposes of discussion and evaluation.
-David_E_Howell-Oak_Park_MI
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Miwist reply on June 15th, 2008:
David, I pretty much agree with what you say. But there are going to be problems when you give a bunch of little boys really cool toys with little or no direction.
This war has no purpose, and most people understand that, including the soldiers. They have no clear cut objective but training to kill.
I have a 12 year old son who knows how to use matches - training. If I give him matches and tell him to go light the grill, he has a clear cut objective, and I’m confident the grill will be lit, and he will return safely.
If I give him matches and send him outside with no direction, and even though the grill is sitting right there, in plain sight, I’m running the huge risk that the grill may or may not get lit, and with that book of matches in hand, something incredibly bad may happen and I shouldn’t be surprised when it does.
In every war there are going to be atrocities. Up until Vietnam, the U.S. always had clear cut objectives, minimizing a cowboy attitude.
Also, we didn’t have YouTube, rallying the masses to get upset about a puppy.
The American people have their heads buried in the sand concerning war. My life goes on, unencumbered by what is going on in the Middle East. This war has been hidden from us. We pay for “security” forces to keep people from being drafted. This war doesn’t hit home for the American people because the administration doesn’t want it to.
I think Motari was thrown under the bus to prove to the American people that the U.S. does no wrong and will not tolerate those that do.
I’m curious how that video ended up on YouTube anyway. Why didn’t his sergeant delete the video. Everybody knows people get upset when people kill puppies. He had to have known there would be hell to pay.
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Meaghan reply on June 16th, 2008:
Well, what about the guy who conned Del Taco and put a YouTube video up that lead to his arrest? Some people are just really dumb.
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Thanks for responding openly, Miwist—–
Regarding the “this war has no purpose” comment that you made: A Muslim detests, by mandate, a Christian. If this is true, then the Muslim is yet immeasurably furious that a Jew should be alive. The Koran gives him no choice. The only thing that you can do to a Muslim is to say: “If you blow yourself up in our country, we will go to your country and impose our way of life.” Oh, they hate that more than anything.
Any other response to suicidal Muslims results in a MacDonald’s Restaurant near you, or a Starbucks, being blown-up. I am super-conservative religious, so I can tell you that Muslims are infuriated that they worship a false god. I understand Semitic religion because I am an obsessed fundamentalist Biblicist. I can promise you that I have followed Islam longer and more intently than you ever got close to doing. Trust me as a friend when I tell you that this is a problem that can only be handled by a Texas-style ass whomping by G.W.Bush. So to the Muslims, I say: Welcome to America; The anxiety you are experiencing now because United States troops are being deployed in your home countries is what follows when you blow up skyscrapers in New York City while the sitting president sitting in the oval office at that point is from the “hunt them down like dogs” state.
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Tress reply on June 16th, 2008:
Hell yea.
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If the pup was in that bad of shape he should have shot it. It would have been less painful. They should throw that mother fucker off a cliff!
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“I think Motari was thrown under the bus to prove to the American people that the U.S. does no wrong and will not tolerate those that do.”
I 100% agree to this statement.
I can not believe he was DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED for this. The guy that burned his wife alive was dishonorably discharged. This isn’t close to on par with that. Sure, discharge him, but do it Honorably for the 3.5 years he didn’t eff up. Give him at least a little dignity!! Do any of you realize that seeing someone being dishonorably discharged on a job application is viewed the same way as a guy that served a prison term by many employers? It’s insane this guy would serve 3.5 years in the Marines to go down for a damn puppy (I myself love puppies, but I respect the men and women that fight more then a dog)…and I’m sorry…I thought this was a post about a Marine tossing a puppy off a cliff, not about how poorly this country has been run since the 9/11 attacks (sorry Mitwist, and I like your comments normally).
Don’t worry…with a helpful nudge in the democratic direction, a lot should change in a few months.
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TurtleMania reply on June 17th, 2008:
It was the manner in which he did it.
Who told him to get creative?
That’s my job.
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three and a half years in the military and you get a dishonorable discharge for putting a puppy out of his misery when he was already dying. the damn thing would have probably spent his last days laying out in the sun baking away, starving, and dying.
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TurtleMania reply on June 17th, 2008:
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather bake in the sun, starve and die verses having broken bones, pain, internal bleeding, starvation and hypothermia. But that’s just me.
You know, when folks euthanize animals they do it with dignity. And then we have folks beg for dignity for this dumb-ass, Motari. When they put the animals down they use a syringe not a sledge hammer or a chainsaw, etc
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ceecee reply on June 20th, 2008:
this is true.
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david reply on September 21st, 2008:
wrong. that puppy would have died on impact from the fall alone.
Amy reply on September 21st, 2008:
Mate, if someone threw me off a cliff like that i reakon id die from a heart attack before i got anywhere near the ground! ( that or id shit myself…literally)
What he did was terrible, he’s a moron.
I hate seeing animals abused in any way. It makes me sick. I do agree that he should have been fined or whatever for animal cruelty, but not dishonorably discharged unless he is messed up in the head. Which, on the other hand, is a very good possibility when you think about it. What person in their right mind would throw a helpless puppy off a cliff while videoing it and laughing about it?!? He needs serious counseling, but not a dishonorable. Maybe a tiny bit of Hell, too!!!
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Mark my word in time before you know it David Motari will be in the news again,he is a future serial killer,of that have no doubt.
I hope he kills himself,he is a piece of shit and merits a painful death.
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Tress reply on June 16th, 2008:
My grandmother use to say “Anyone that can easily kill an animal (excluding for food) is perfectly capable of killin a human.”
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Various thoughts-
“I don’t think there are alot of pet clinics humanily killing strays over there. What would have been a good solution”. Um, no. Just because people kill strays does not mean that they ’should’ be killed, humanely or otherwise. I’d like to see some kind of proof that there are any standard orders to kill ’strays’ by our soldiers in Iraq, because I know there isn’t any.
And, I’m pretty sure most clinics do not laugh as they kill the strays they somehow feel obligated to kill.
This is not an isolated incident- research what our troops did to the poor animals left in their zoo… and there are many other videos I’ve seen on utube of other soldiers torturing and killing animals, especially dogs, before they got yanked.
Plenty of civilians here seem to enjoy killing and torturing animals- without having been trained to do so, so the excuse of war being hell doesn’t fly- and there are plenty of soldiers who somehow manage to rescue, feed and care for animals in Iraq- even bringing them back to the US. Some fucked up people just like being cruel, and being in the military has nothing to do with it.
I do wonder how anyone could think that this piece of shit wouldn’t be able to, or hasn’t already done just the same to some person they ran across that they had no respect for, or thought they could use the ‘war’ excuse for. The idiocy of filming it has no valid explanation- I’m just glad they were that stupid. This story has been out for a while now, and many people who claim to know the pos say that this is not an isolated incident, and that his asshole-ness began long before he enlisted.
The other people involved should be dishonourably discharged as well.
The action of killing a puppy or a human is exactly the same- the only difference is the value subjectively placed on the life being snuffed by the killer and their peers.
Note to would-be-killers of all stripes— try not to laugh or make fun of your victims as you’re killing them… it tends to make it look like you’re enjoying it.
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Of the abundance of the heart, the person acts.
Motari let himself slip by little and by little, until he revealed a little of the depravity in us all to the world. Try harder next lifetime, genius. It reminds me of the line in the movie “Commando”: “Slicing a leeetle girl’s throat is like cutting through butter”. Why did that soldier say that in the movie? Because everybody wants to be feared. Why did Motari throw a puppy off of a cliff? Because everybody wants to be feared. Why is local news in Detroit called “Doppler Viper X-treme”? What in blazes does “viper” have to do with weather radar? Answer: nothing. Eric Hoffer said “When the weak want to give the impression of strengh, they hint menacingly at their capacity for violence.” What better way to show your capacity for violence than by attacking the cute and defenseless? So even the most wimpy among us - local news reporters - want to call their weather radar “Viper Xtreme”. Now, this is why Motari tosses puppies: to hint menacingly at his capacity for violence, to be feared. Everyone wants to be feared.
There are hundreds of lawless soldiers who need to be encouraged to behave themselves, and making an example of this soldier by overly-harsh punishment is the perfect advertisement to get through to the other soldiers.
Now, to change the subject, let me ask: When are we going to fight a normal war? I want Iraqi oil to pay for this war, not billions in Chinese (!) monetary loans to the U.S. government. The next country that we invade should become the 51st star on the American flag.
Now to change the subject back again, maybe local news reporters wouldn’t feel a deficit in people fearing themb if they would stop giving diet advice and visiting Taft Elementary for cheesy reports on a 4th grade field trip to the zoo. In an overly-polite nation, in an overly-”nice” culture, the velvet glove conceals the iron fist underneath. Before abortion was legalized in 1973, all I was told was “children should be seen and not heard.” After Roe vs Wade? Now it’s a Dr. Quinn Medicine woman festival. The battle cry is “For the children! For the children!” The question is irrelevant. The answer is “For the children! For the children!” is always the answer. Yes, yes, for the children. Protect the children at all costs, you sugar-coated phony whores. Of course Motari threw a puppy off of a cliff: you tell him that if he doesn’t shave his beard in imitation of a little boy’s face that he will be disciplined. This world has become so much a womanly world that softness itself is god, that softness is worshipped. Motari wants you to fear him, and he doesn’t know why. Women teachers, feminized culture, absurd & grievous child support/divorce laws… Give Motari his testicles back, give all of us our testicles back, and he won’t have to go to the realm of silly puppy-abusing evil to feel feared.
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“Motari let himself slip by little and by little, until he revealed a little of the depravity in us all to the world”.
Motari chose to fuck up and refuse to have a heart, until he revealed the depravity only he could understand, and which other fucked up people such as myself just don’t get.
There. fixed that for you.
“Before abortion was legalized in 1973, all I was told was “children should be seen and not heard.” After Roe vs Wade? Now it’s a Dr. Quinn Medicine woman festival. The battle cry is “For the children! For the children!” The question is irrelevant. The answer is “For the children! For the children!” is always the answer. Yes, yes, for the children. Protect the children at all costs, you sugar-coated phony whores. Of course Motari threw a puppy off of a cliff: you tell him that if he doesn’t shave his beard in imitation of a little boy’s face that he will be disciplined. This world has become so much a womanly world that softness itself is god, that softness is worshipped. Motari wants you to fear him, and he doesn’t know why. Women teachers, feminized culture, absurd & grievous child support/divorce laws… Give Motari his testicles back, give all of us our testicles back, and he won’t have to go to the realm of silly puppy-abusing evil to feel feared.”
Sad. You almost made a point there, until you sunk into the realm of sheer craziness.
I thought I’d heard all the mysogonistic things possible until I read your post.
Wow. I had no idea that evil women were still responsible for all the evils in the world- I certainly never would have guessed that women were responsible for fucked-up loser child/puppy abusers who lie about what they weren’t ever ordered to do.
But yes, it only makes sense for women to be blamed for why certain losers choose to be assholes and abuse/kill/torture animals/women/children.
I’m grateful to be enlightened about how the world is somehow now a ’softer’ place due to the horrifying reality of women actually being treated as being semi-human- maybe because I’m just a stupid woman, I’m having a hard time following your mysogonistic and ultimately twisty and hateful logic.
Try masturbating more to the tune of ‘taps’. Try being more bitter about why women don’t want to sleep with you.
Maybe it isn’t so much that they are bitches out to rule the world, and more about you being the kind of asshole they have no intention of ever sleeping with? Perhaps because you don’t respect women at all? To the point where you have no problem hijacking a thread in order to mask your underlying fears and failures?
Oh, that can’t be it. You obviously adore women. My bad.
c
Just saying.
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“GloryBug”, the world is not a “softer place due to a modified treatment of women”, as you have written. The world is, in fact, a far harder, in fact, an immeasurably more harsh place. An example: Giving women the right to vote(?!) and other enhancement of influence has coincided (to put it politely) with the legalization of killing babies. Now, even one legal, in-the-womb baby killing makes Motari’s “puppy toss” look like he was helping an old lady to cross the street. Reverse the mistake, strip the women of the right to vote and other undue influence, and baby killing as a legal activity will once again be outlawed for lack of necessary suffrage, etc. I.e., the world will be a softer place for lack of undue feminine influence. To pause briefly so as to enhance my point here (and decimate what might be left of yours yours), it is not a quick death to which women have condemned unborn babies, but a death equivalent to having your four limbs tied to a car and having the car drive away while you have your arms and legs (and your head) ripped off, and not simultaneously, but one-by-one. To further expose your unsound reasoning, if that is possible after the already crushing facts just presented in response to your ill-reflected remarks, quite frankly, let me openly call attention to your timing: you have picked the worst period in the last two thousand years to talk about how the world is a softer place due to the modified treatment of woman, because 1. women have never had more influence while at the same time 2.never have there been more innocent victims (babies) who die in such astronomical numbers in such a (wait I’m not finished) 3. gruesome, painful manner. In short, considering the two thousand year timeline to which I refer, your timing is… abysmal. You have to almost expend Herculean effort to get to walk into defeat like that.
Next: Your remarks about how disturbed I am because I find it impossible to get attractive women to have sex with me is really quite cliche’, isn’t it? Taking me at my word instead of probing my deep motivations might help. For example: you can take me at my word when I report that what disturbs me is that everytime eight police officers pull a dangerous suspect over on the television show “Cops”, with guns drawn, the seven men officers keep their mouths shut while the only woman officer on the scene is the one who instructs thus: “Put-your-hands-on-your-head… Take-three-steps-backward… (and so forth.)” This has nothing to do with resentment over the condition my sex life, or lack thereof. I cannot make you believe me, but this police officer example is virtually patent in establishing my true motivation. Likewise, everytime I’ve ever witnessed the police in real life, not on television, the one woman officer does 100% of the talking while the other three men police officers stand there like they’re afraid to interrupt mommy.
Now you, “GloryBug”, imply in your response that if I simply start having sex with beautiful women that I wouldn’t be angry about that sort of thing. That’s not very sound reasoning in the face of some of the facts I’ve presented so far.
So, to review, I explained Motari’s motivation (need to be feared in the face of a world that pushes men to be little boys and let all of you enlightened women guide us). However, to explain my reasoning, you went straight to the “You’re resentful of women because you can’t get a woman to have sex with you” argument, which is not impressive, but we’re going to give you 1 point out of a possible 10 points this round for showing school spirit.
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I just wrote a the equivalent of a book in that last response for crying out loud. Sorry about that.
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Correct “Mulch”: I have never “served”, like you. Neither have I
ever let it enter into my mind that a woman commanding officer
would ever say “Give me twenty pushups.” And I don’t believe war
should be anything other than “winner take all”. Apparently being
a rent-a-soldier doesn’t eat away at you? Fight, win, and leave?
No, no, no.
Fight, win, and own the place. Germany should be the 51st state,
Japan the 52nd state, Italy the 53rd state, South Korea the 54th
state of the union, Cuba the 55th state of the union, Iran
the 56th star on the U.S. flag, Iraq the 57 star on the U.S.
flag. Twice the border crossing guards in Canada have been
rude to me, so put Canada on the list too. They piss me off.
And they even have crude oil.
You are corny, which implies that you are naiive. And how in
blazes do they intimidate you guys into
denying your masculinity by the shaving off of your beards?
World War I, World War II, “shave, shave, shave.” Even if you
put a gun to my head, I wouldn’t shave. I respect myself.
You soldiers don’t respect yourselves enough because you are
castrated, humiliated monsters, and the humiliation gets worse
every year. They purposely give you medications to make you sweat,
tremble, cramp-up, and have every other wierd side effect known to
this solar system to make you furious at the betrayal of it all.
And then there are the homeless, utterly ignored vets that you’ve
watched since childhood. They want you to know deep down that you
mean LESS THAN NOTHING to them, because it makes you furious and
fearless of death. Yes, yell at me, not them. Yell at me. I’m the
one who dislikes you??? Reality check: I at least talk as if you
exist, you robot.
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I mean North Korea, not South Korea. You guys probably thought for that I was crazy there for a minute.
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Miwist reply on June 19th, 2008:
Actually, it’s been a little longer than a minute - more like 2 or 3.
No - going on 4 minutes.
I don’t think this thought is going away - not on it’s own, anyway.
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David_E_Howell-Oak_Park-MI reply on June 20th, 2008:
You see, women don’t like to make trouble, and somehow, men are supposed to be equally submissive. This is such a short life. Make some trouble. But you won’t. Why? Beeeeeeecause………. you’re a good little boy, aren’t you? Yes yes yes, you’re mommy’s little boy, aren’t you?
Motari tossed a puppy off of a cliff to reassure himself that he’s fearsome, because the armed forces humiliate soldiers to make them mean, mean, mean. It worked great for the Spartans. They, as part of a total war culture, had gay sex together, with the benefit of gay sex being that you are driven to prove constantly that you are manly. Here, let me try it: I’m visualizing being f__ked up the ass by another man… visualizing… visualizing…. visualizing… okay… Done! Wow, I suddenly feel like I need to prove that I’m not a sissy! Yes, yes, I feel quite humiliated and violent now! Let’s go on patrol and kill people. Also, I hope that I get to charge a machine gun nest sometime today.
And Japan ended the war with us in 1945 to forestall being invaded and ruled. Same with Germany. This implies that I’m not the only one who thinks in terms of a spoils system, eh? Where winner-takes-all? Don’t like it? Then don’t smash planes into our skyscrapers or bomb Pearl Harbor. Don’t like it? Then prepare for your beloved nation to go BROKE, as in no money due to your nation being the stupid nation that pays for the wars started by its enemies. How stupid. It doesn’t work. I assume that none of you are accountants.
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I was under the impression that the video was a fake…
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Chess Piece Face reply on June 19th, 2008:
Definitely not fake.
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I’m not done.
Your daughters think that you are awkward loser morons. Your mothers and wives and elementary school teachers pity you for not having breasts. You all let Motari and all the other soldiers be ordered to shave (!!!!!!!!) or be court-martialed Why! And now you’re suprised that he’s acting like an animal! The next step is every boy, kindergarten through high school, being required to come to school with a tampon shoved up his ass because the PTA or the surgeon general or Oprah says it’s not fair or desirable that the girls have to go through that discomfort and demeaning experience while the boys don’t. You are drowning in the (collective) womb of the feminists, and it started in the Garden of Eden, not in the 1960s. Six thousand years of feminism renders Motari as a warning sign. Of course he wants to be feared. Your back’s to the wall. Your balls are on the chopping block.
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Miwist reply on June 20th, 2008:
My 17 year old daughter seems to think I’m more of a “tool” than a loser. The other 2 just kinda shook their heads when I asked.
I checked with my wife. She pities me, but not for my lack of breast. It was a pretty long list, but boobs weren’t mentioned.
I do shave every day, without fail. My face gets too itchy if I don’t. To make up for the lack of a beard, I maintain my masculinity by being boorish, insensitive, and smoking Marlboros.
I try to limit demeaning myself to driving my daughter’s car once in a while. It’s a blue Aveo, with blue tinted windows and a pink tassel hanging from the rear view mirror. I also use baby talk with the our cats. The whole “tampon up the ass” doesn’t sound very appealing to me, and when I asked my wife for one, she said I was weird, and I needed to hurry up and get in the shower.
I was under the impression that the feminist movement really got it’s start during WW II, when women had to start working outside the home because the men were off to war.
Okay, I need to go pull weeds out of the flower garden. I don’t like to use chemical weed killers because I’ve read that they can diminish my testosterone levels. Don’t want that to happen.
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David_E_Howell-Oak_Park-MI reply on June 20th, 2008:
You say, jokingly, that your daughters think that you are a “tool”. Is that somehow different than my term “awkward loser moron”? Even jokes betray truths.
Most semites of every stripe for thousands of years would never shave, many even if threatened with death, yet their beards were far more dense than ours. I cannot imagine that Nebuchadnezzar, Assurbanipal, Xerxes, and the men of those fierce kings’ courts stood around scratching their faces all their waking hours. So why all this talk from every man of “When I grow a beard, my face itches”? Make it work.
The feminist movement got underway during WW II, you claim? No. Prohibition was largely a feminist movement, and that was in the 1920s, not WW II. I point out women like Carrie Nation, a Jezebel who thought that she was Christ’s assistant, smashing-up saloons. And as soon as women got the vote, prohibition was passed, and could not have passed without them. They had no problem telling men “what to do with their bodies”, (the battle cry of abortion supporters now, by the way). Eleanor Roosevelt sometimes wore a tie. I’ll tell you, everyone thinks that she was ugly, but I think that she was gorgeous. Seeing her wear a tie, though, disgusts me. But the point is that seeing her with a tie is another proof that feminism was alive before World War Two. WWII was the next boost, you are right. Birth control was the next big boost.
You are extremely clever and your sense of humor is wonderful, but all that glitters is not gold. There you are, joking-around to keep others from taking charge of an out-of-control situation. A Taurus tactic.
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David_E_Howell-Oak_Park-MI
You need to STFU. You are an idiot.
Miwist has a wife and children for a reason. Because he is obviously not a misogynistic asshole like you. I’d guess they probably not only like him they love him. I’m guessing you have no wife or children, or if you do, that they have no respect for you and have divorced you. With reason.
In case you didn’t know, women don’t fuck theselves, and they rarely abort children from men who love and care about them. I have a good idea why you are so bitter and prone to hijacking threads.
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David_E_Howell-Oak_Park-MI reply on June 24th, 2008:
I get in some quirky arguments quite often with some pretty violent people who tell me to “STFU” like you just did, and I consistently, openly, defy the “STFU” demand at great peril (believe me), so I hope you understand that when you try to sound all “gangsta” by telling me to “STFU”, the effect is rather lost on this end. But you are cute when you get all kind-of Joyce Meyers ghetto authoritative. Anyway, back to business: Miwist jokes that his daughters think him to be a “tool”. That is not the expression of love, and I notice that you didn’t address that. I did address that. Next subject: You imply that men are responsible for unwanted pregnancies (”women don’t f__K themselves”); You promulgate here a straw man fallacy: I never implied anything to the contrary, so that’s two out of two points that you’ve failed to address properly.
Go back and address what I wrote, which is that women’s suffrage allowed abortion to become legal, and is only legal because of the support created by an electorate of women. You argue like a little kid. But your friends and daughters think that you are a goddess, so I am certainly quite crushed by their rejection, yes, group hug over there, for sure. Last point: I think that when I mention the name “David Motari” in my postings on this thread and you do not, it powerfully points to you looking like the one who is hijacking a thread, not me. Class dismissed.
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Ah- trolls will be trolls.
I am in awe of your ability to ‘defy’ the ‘STFU’ demand. I do have a hard time believing that there is any peril in making idiotic comments on a website How very manly of you!
I think it’s adorable how you think everyone would know who the hell ‘Joyce Meyers’ is, and how anyone who calls you on your shit is somehow ‘ghetto’ or ‘gangtsta’ or violent . Project much?
It’s precious how you used the words ‘promulgate’ and ’straw man’ in the same sentence, however it doesn’t make the sentence any more intelligible Since you’re so keen on ‘addressing’ things, perhaps you could address my observation that you are bitter, probably divorced, and if you have any children aren’t allowed to see them, as you seem to think the only way men can earn respect from women and children is to undeservedly demand it while acting like a moronic posturing cock. It’s also probable that you have no children beause you can’t get any women to sleep with you and any woman who got pregnant by you would want an abortion asap.
The fact that you have nowhere else to spew about your infantile fears of women, abortion, real men, lovable men like Miwist, and gay people, has nothing to do with David Motari killing a puppy He killed a puppy because he likes killing puppies. And was appropriately, if not harshly enough, punished for it.
Ass dismissed.
c
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David_E_Howell-Oak_Park-MI reply on June 24th, 2008:
To the woman who uses the name “GloryBug”, I have this to say: You care very little about arguing in a point-by-point style, but rather wish to drive me from the area with raw power. I am a rooster, you are a hen. When I walk by, you flap your wings because I have colors and you do not. This angers you because it means that I have little rooster testicles and you do not, which means that I am meant to rule and you are meant to serve.
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TurtleMania reply on June 24th, 2008:
Can’t we all just get along? ha
Sure we can agree to disagree, that’s fine.
Let’s face it, the older we get, the less likely we’re going to change our point-of-views.
Even I, the weird Turtle, had a disagreement with someone here. But in the end, nothing changed.
And of course, it never will. Do I hate that person? No.
We’re just different. I’m a Turtle and they aren’t.
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David_E_Howell-Oak_Park-MI reply on June 24th, 2008:
From Cannibal Corpse to N.A.M.B.L.A., the warning signs in society are numerous and bizarre. You must cease to attempt finding common areas of agreement with the other members of society. You must stop saying “Can’t we all get along?” The Druid priests are knocking at your front door, here to sacrifice your son and to sell his kidneys from the abortion clinic over E-bay for $15.00 per pair. Peace at this point is not an option. The teachers’ lounge hath conquered, the most know-nothing radicals in the country have utterly taken over. Du bist kraftlos. You are powerless.
TurtleMania reply on June 25th, 2008:
Where I’m from kidneys go for more than $15
Now eyes are getting popular, they’re easy to scoop out. There isn’t power. Only people dance for awhile, then they die.
True power is enjoying a bowl of cornflakes.
Miwist reply on June 24th, 2008:
I’ve been checking on this with some amusement - Glory, we can’t argue with the man because you can’t argue with ignorance.
I like to probe, enrage, engage, whatever it takes to get a differing viewpoint - that’s how I learn. I enjoy being challenged, being wrong. I enjoy the learning process.
Funny, but I understand Mr. Howell, even agree with a few points - not much on the arrogance or the bullying, but hey - whatever. Thing is, if we were to drop out of this conversation, he goes away convinced he’s won and scared us off. Never occurs to him we refuse to engage in childishness and foolishness.
I’m comfortable, I love my wife, my girls, my son. All of them are free to think on their own, to have their own ideas, without me dominating because I am a male.
Now, if you don’t mind, I think I’ll go shove a tampon up my ass and ask my wife to join me for a walk. It rained earlier, the sun is out, and the flowers and grass smell glorious. Maybe she’ll let me hold her hand.
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David_E_Howell-Oak_Park-MI reply on June 25th, 2008:
I’ve discussed WWII, prohibition, Assurbanipal, ancient Sparta, imperialism, Roe versus Wade 1973, Muslims, the Koran itself, Texas, tried to delineate between the notions “cruelty” and “lust for violence” in a model where they appear as polar concepts for purposes of isolation and examination, used the word “Herculean”, used the term “first estate”, got mocked for using the phrase “promulgated a straw man fallacy”, just responded to a post with a little German language sprinkled in for poetic effect, and you call me ignorant? Of all the things that you accuse me of, you accuse me of being ignorant? Wow. One more thing: I broach these subjects with all the outrageous daring that you would hope from someone who is bitterly at odds with the status quo, because you don’t want to be bored, do you? (Would you like to go back to Jerry Falwell?) I couldn’t do it unless I was educated and proficient in shuffling concepts, which is the antithesis of ignorance. I’ve got it and I know how to use it. I have six sets of secular encyclopedias, three full sets of yearbooks to match them, one115-year-old set of (antique) religious encyclopedias constituting 12,000 pages in the one set, all in mint condition. My first girlfriend, you know, in high school, was the class president, Miwist. Herself a flawless calligrapher at the time, an advanced physics and math student who had to have a class created for her while we were dating, and she played renaissance music on the recorder, talented enough to be even featured on televison once, all of which I would think reflects on me as well if you consider that perhaps she and I had a few things in common. Yeah, at a minimum, And to digress briefly, let me say that I’m such a reject that my first girlfriend was class president. But, is that really what you want your pronouncement of me to be? That I am ignorant? Maybe unbalaced, rude, arrogant, murderous, treacherous, dissatisfied, secretly homosexual, lazy, a bully… pick an adjective, but the word ignorant, of all adjectives that you could use to descrobe me? I can talk about Seminex, the Statement of the 44, The Council of Ephesus, I’ve read the Six Wives of Henry the Eighth which you probably did not read but may remember as being featured in a series on PBS, I’ve read Debretts Kings and Queens of England, King James I short treatise on witchcraft and his other short treatise “Counterblaste to Tobacco”, Language and Symbolic Power, Marco Polo’s Travels, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Newton’s Clock by Ivar’s Peterson, Tales of a Shaman’s Apprentice (featured on NPR in the 1990s), A Summary of Christian Doctrine by Koehler, Captain from Castile by Shellabarger (to effect the common touch), Sarum, Damaged by Josephine Hart, Bruce Lee’s Fighting method books 1-4, Tao of Jeet Kune Do, the Greek fighter James Arvanitis’ book on what he fashioned “Mu Tau”, Boxing by Edwin Haslett, the famed and beloved U. S. Navy boxing coach, Elliott Wave Theory, Technical Analysis by John Murphy, Market Wizards first edition (when there was still only one edition, I would like to add), Volume and Open Interest by Shaleen, Sheldon Natenburg’s autoritative and definitive book on option price analysis, Effective Written Communication by Lillian Rauch, Business Law by Paust, Upp, and Sherry, The True Believer by Eric Hoffer, Samurai, The Story of English by Robert MacNeil of the MacNeil/Lehrer report, Astrology books 1-4 by Marian March and Joan McEvers, parts of Smyth’s famous and politically-charged book from the 1800s on on the Pyramid, Burning With Wood by Bob Gay, The Time Machine by H. G. Welles, Amelia Erhart’s biography, most of the SRA reading set, Mark Park, The Boxcar Children and Fun With Dick and Jane. Are you sure that I am ignorant?
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Miwist reply on June 25th, 2008:
Well, yeah - I’d say you’re ignorant.
I’m pretty well read myself and it’s funny that you mention The Boxcar Children. My 9 year old and I are reading the series right now - How come the Doctor never reports these kids to Child Protective Services? Truly, I prefer Junie B. Jones - she cracks me up.
Anyway, you can be well read and educated and still be ignorant. It isn’t so much what you know, it’s how you apply it.
Quite frankly, I’m never impressed by anyone that feels compelled to tell me of their greatness.
Because of my education, life experience, and job, I wield a great deal of “power”. I know my decisions and actions directly affect many people - but no matter.
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