Lisa Anne Vantunan
This is 39-year-old Lisa Anne Vantunan.
According to Lisa Anne Vantunan, she is a good mother.
This leads one to wonder as to who, exactly, would qualify as a bad mother in her eyes.
Lisa Anne Vantunan was arrested on the 23rd of June, 2008 after calling police and explaining that she didn’t know where her kids were. Her neighbors had sort of been screwing with her head, telling her that she had done a variety of things to her children, a 1-year-old boy and a 5-year-old girl, while on a four day crack smoking binge.
Some of the creativity that the neighbors of Lisa Anne Vantunan offered up included that she had thrown her children out of a moving vehicle, or that she had suffocated them and dumped their bodies somewhere.
The problem was that Lisa Vanunan, who lives with her mother, just didn’t know where her kids were. She didn’t remember leaving them with a babysitter, and she didn’t think that her mother had the kids.
So she asked the cops for a “lil help please!”
According to the police, Lisa Anne Vantunan:
…was irrationally calm while reporting she did not know if her children were alive or not.
Lisa Vantunan told the police that she sometimes checks in with her mother or the babysitter when they’re watching the kids while she’s on “one of her binges” but that she’s a good mother and stays away from her kids while she’s smoking crack. Lisa Vantunan admitted that she had a drug problem, mentioning that she had been on bi-polar medication in the past but that she wasn’t taking it recently.
The police checked with the two women that Lisa Vantunan usually leaves her kids with and found that the children were at the babysitters, which is a much better place than where they could possibily have ended up.
Lisa Anne Vantunan is likely to be charged with two counts of felony child neglect.
Does Lisa Anne Vantunan deserve Hell?
- No (63%, 258 Votes)
- Yes (37%, 151 Votes)
Total Voters: 409
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She may not deserve Hell since she didn’t kill her kids, but she doesn’t deserve to have custody of the kids.
Sad.
wanted to vote no, but accidentally hit yes (no really). i think the kids should be put in foster care, that should be punishment enough for her. if she’s a crackhead, he life’s probably miserable enough anyway.
That’s true.
A kinship placment would be better for the kids tho. ;)
I get it, she’s like a werewolf. She leaves the area when she feels a binge comin on, like a werewolf would leave when the full moon is near. Mighty kind of her. Yea, that makes total sense. Except that WEREWOLVES ARE MADE UP and PARENTS SHOULD PICK YOUR DAMN BABIES OVER CRACK. She should go straight to hell, and it should be a Chuck E. Cheese.
I dont think she deserves hell, just a whole lotta detox and some jail time….loss of custody untill she can prove fit….
If she cant smarten up To Hell with her!
No, but she doesn’t deserve custody of the kids.
Pathetic. ” I’m a great mom when I smoke crack for 4 days and can’t remember where I left my kids”. My God… who let this bitch reproduce?
Well, at least she didn’t really suffocate the children or throw them out of a moving car. So far, anyway.
She’s incredibly stupid and an unfit mother, but has not done anything worthy of hell. Yet. I don’t think she should have custody of those kids for that very reason.
It’s not enough that she doesn’t smoke crack around the kids–she shouldn’t be smoking it at all! “Crack addict” and “parent” are two things that really don’t mesh well. So she should lose custody of the kids, go to jail and get off the crack. And get her tubes tied because she’s shown herself to be irresponsible and stupid. But that in and of itself does not make her a monster.
She’s a pretty decent looking crackhead compared to what I’m used to.
This one here looks like a grocery store clerk.
it cracks me up how we all say no hell for her. I voted no on this story. But then i thought, If your not in hell then that means youre in heaven right? Do we really have child neglecting crack heads in heaven?
What about limbo?
Or reincarnation to a lemming or something?
voted no…but she’s a sad individual, but at least she has the forthought to put them with a sitter or with family so she doesn’t hurt anyone but herself.
Sure, because her doing crack isn’t hurting that family at all.
*rolls eyes*
I don’t believe she should go to hell. I don’t believe children should be around a crackhead mother (or any addict for that matter) but at the same time, I do believe in rehabilitation. I do believe when someone is truly ready to give it up, that they can [with help, support groups, family, etc]. Both of my parents did drugs as I was growing up , and were still “good parents” they hid it well from us. They had good jobs, and took care of us, then my Dad was arrested and did some time. He also went into a rehab, and has been clean for 13 years, my Mother for 6. I think this woman needs help, only hope she truely wants it and can recover. She should be punished for what she did, granted.
Bitches be crazy.
compared to most of the “women” who are featured on this site, she’s a saint. Maybe she was reading this site when she described herself as a “good mother”. We are indeed slipping on who meets that standard.
Well I dont even belive in such places like hell so i could say yes. Yeah, she didn’t kill her children. But I dont still think that right to own pleasures like crack goes before the liability of taking care of children. And I doubt that this lifestyle wouldn’t harm those children. But it’s only me; for example in my country pregnant mother’s right to use drugs goes before the unborn child’s health, not so much to ask as a right. And that’s pretty sad. And it’s sad for the mother yeah, but she had other choises. Children dont – they are pretty helpless to help themselves.
Maybe that’s why she should go to hell because one day we might read about the death, molestation, abuse, and or torture due to neglect of those children.
And if she sobers up and discontinues her bad habit, she can then climb the ladder back to hell on Earth.
Here are a few scenarios:
Scenario 1
Mother gets a serious craving for crack rock. She gets high at home with the kids because the sitter is busy. She’s in her own crack world while the kids are left to their own vices.
Some potential harms:
Gas stove
Matches
Kitchen knives
Space heater
Sink garbage disposal
Cigarette lighter
Scenario 2
Mother plans a crack hit, but her regular sitter is not available and she decides to leave them with Bertha and Bubba down the street.
Some potential harms:
Child abuse (physically, sexually, verbally)
Torture
Neglect
Scenario 3
Mother has drugs stashed in her home.
One day the inquisitive children happen to find them and decide to be like mom.
Need I say more?
Getting high comes with risk. The children shouldn’t be a part of risk involving illegal drug use by mommy dearest.
I can’t believe that I’m typing this…at LEAST she left the kids with the sitter. There are some monsters bio’s on this site that definitely wouldn’t have done that. Should she lose her kids? I don’t know. Sometimes foster care is worse that the home the kids leave. She should get treatment, however the situation resolves itself.
Lisa Anne Vantunan is likely to be charged with two counts of felony child neglect.
Yes, she should lose her children.
It would be unwise for CPS to allow Lisa full custody at this point. Perhaps after she’s reformed she can receive custody of her children.
The government is responsible to address the failings of foster care. That’s not our job. The children are placed in foster care with hopes that they’ll be taken care of.
It is up to child welfare to do the investigating, reviewing, reporting and interviewing, etc.
As of late, CPS and the government have been catching hell for the lapses of judgment resulting in bad circumstances.
I will name two instances below:
1) The Starkeisha Brown/Krystal Matthews case.
2) The Jacks family case in Washington DC.
DC Mayor said CPS was to blame and fired all involved…
Mayor Fenty said that up to eight CFSA employees who had involvement in the Jacks family case will receive a notification of termination of employment. Personnel actions will affect every individual in the relevant chain of command related to this case from the front line investigator to the Child Protective Services (CPS) Administrator. CPS is the CFSA intake division that investigates reports of child abuse and neglect.
“This city is grieving from a tragedy that should have never happened,” said Mayor Fenty. “I felt that it was critical to send a message to management as well as front line workers that our job is to ensure that children are protected, and that this should never again.”
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Now that CPS and the government are under-fire and scrutiny, I’m sure they’ll revise their policies and procedures to address the shortfalls of the Child Welfare Agency.
Not bloody likely. CPS in its various forms has come under fire so many times before. Look at the Rilya Wilson case. Look at Nixmary Brown. But it seems like their problems never get fixed.
Well, gee, who’s administration have we’ve been under for the past eight years?
Tell me about “no child left behind”. lol
It takes more than just reading articles, watching TV news and getting fired-up.
One must place calls to their local government, complain to those elected officials, and consult community activist.
Again, nothing is going to change by just by reading, watching, and feeling bad about the situation.
I joined my neighborhood community watch-group months ago because I was fed up with the crime.
Things aren’t perfect, but they have gotten better around here. If I just read the Wilson and Brown cases and did nothing about, then I can’t complain about our government structure and its organizations.
Now Meaghan, before you reply stating that you’ve done these things, you should know that it takes more than just two people. We all must voice our frustrations with these government entities if we expect change.
CPS in my area has been under-fire and now we can expect more exhaustive review of cases, more reporting detail, no closed cases until the child is located, truancy reporting system with public charter schools, and review of past cases just to name a few.
Get out and change your community.
So sad. Thank goodness the children are safe. No Hell… but no kids either.
Once again, those people who voted NO should be anally probed with a red hot poker. Those who voted NO might as well be child rapists, or worse….they are publically advocating that bs, so I suggest the admins choose one of the PYSIH top 10 and let that individual have a sleep over at each and every NO voter’s house!!
Oh, yes. Of course everyone who thinks that this, admittedly troubled woman, doesn’t deserve Hell so much as a rehab… they’re just like pedophiles.
“Anyone who disagrees with me deserved to be raped and possibly (very likely) murdered.”
Yeah, you’re a good person. Go ahead, pat yourself on the back like I know you’re doing, you despicable piece of shit. You’re no better than most of the people featured on this site, lusting for blood the way you are.
Anyway, catch ya later. I gotta go masturbate furiously to JonBenet Ramsey’s photo.
haha, nicely said chelsey. i do think the woman deserves to lose her children… mr.mania up there^ listed several excellent reasons why.
I think I could handle a sleep over most anywhere. No sissy-la-la here.
I do, however, understand the concept of the juvenile system and family law.
Best interests of the child, anyone?
Those best interests would be to get their mother the help she needs and give her a chance to be a mom, not throw her in the slammer right off the bat.
I’m sure you’d be well adjusted if you saw your mom once a month thru a plate of bullet proof glass or steel mesh, right?
BTW those who voted NO personally disgust me
Oh and Meaghan let’s dissect your previous statement of:
“Look at the Rilya Wilson case. Look at Nixmary Brown. But it seems like their problems never get fixed.”
Ok, the Riya Wilson case was in August 2004 and the Nixzmary Brown case in January 2006.
Hmmm. Both within eight years, just as I assumed.
Brown in New York and Wilson in Florida. Now Meaghan, please show me statistical data that suggest the CPS in its various forms never got any better since after these incidents.
Please post your links here.
Thanks.
Oh and I meant the data should be from the cities in which the incidents took place.
Sorry, I’m typing too fast.
I don’t pretend to be an expert in these matters although I know attempts are typically made to improve CPS after high-profile failures. (Rilya Wilson actually disappeared/was killed in 2000 or 2001, incidentally.) However, the system is riddled with problems and has been for decades now, and I don’t see any end in sight. Look at all the statistics as to how fucked up kids who grew up in foster care tend to be, how many become dropouts, drug addicts, incarcerated, etc. There was even a case in Florida where a young woman horribly abused in foster care won a lawsuit against the Florida DCF…then went on to abuse her own baby daughter to death.
Do you think CPS was any better before the Bush administration? I highly doubt it. I just named Rilya and Nixmary because they came off the top of my head. Back in the seventies there was a famous case in New York, a class action suit in the name of a foster kid named Shirley Wilder which sought to improve the plight of black New York state foster children. Shirley had been passed around like a football, abused in private homes and institutions, and so on. To make a long story short, she grew up to be a crack addict and died of AIDS, the son she had at 14 made a progressive deterioration in foster care and is now a similarly fucked up adult homeless most of the time, and the Wilder lawsuit took twenty years to settle by which time the issues it concerned (namely, Catholic and Jewish foster agencies refusing to handle kids that weren’t of those faiths, meaning black kids got excluded) weren’t really relevant anymore.
It doesn’t help to go off on a tangent and muddy the waters.
Your diversions are best for topics like:
“Foster kids – Where are they now?”
“Sue the CPS! Yes, really!”
Stop digressing, please focus on your original statement of:
“CPS in its various forms has come under fire so many times before. Look at the Rilya Wilson case. Look at Nixmary Brown. But it seems like their problems never get fixed.”
” it seems like their(CPS) problems never get fixed.”
Translation:
-I’m not sure(uncertain) if CPS ever improves-
WRONG.
I have statistical data that proves your statement is false.
NYC
http://www.nyc.gov/html/acs/downloads/pdf/stats_annual_fy07.pdf
Miami
http://dcfdashboard.dcf.state.fl.us/docs/storyboard/southeast_web.shtml
Yes, the CPS in Florida and NYC have improved. Even a slight upward trend, I consider improvement. The media doesn’t always report the positive aspects like; the faster 24-hr response rate, or the increased caseloads that have converted to independent living status, or the improved open/close case ratio. Why? Because it’s not newsworthy. We hear about the few terrible cases that enrage us and make us cringe. But we don’t hear about the other 11,000 cases.
The good thing about the negative media, is that it does propel the CPS forward and they manage to tweak their services a bit, allowing them to offer some improvement.
You said: “Look at all the statistics as to how fucked up kids who grew up in foster care tend to be, how many become dropouts, drug addicts, incarcerated, etc.”
Meaghan, where are your stats to validate your statements?
I’m on the defensive as you’ve replied, disagreeing with my initial statement.
Consequently, I’ve provided you the links to validate said statement. Let’s do a comparison using YOUR stats.
Again, where’s your data?
Diversion: “Do you think CPS was any better before the Bush administration?”
I did not suggest that. Read my next sentance. “No child left behind”.
IMO it was a failure. hence why our welfare system is lacking in resourses to make drastic improvments.
I would agree No Child Left Behind was a complete washout — indeed the Bush administration has been. I would also agree that CPS workers don’t have an easy job in that their successes are unknown but their failures get splashed all over the news. I think most of them mean well.
I’ve read a lot of books on the foster care/child protection/adoption system, covering the past thirty or forty years, and no, I don’t think it’s improved in any practical, visible sense. Some old problems get solved, new ones pop up like bubbles, the whole thing is like boiling water. It needs to be completely transformed. It’s irreparably broken.
I would recommend the following books: “On Their Own: What Happens to Kids When They Age Out of the Foster Care System?” by Martha Shirk and Gary Stangler, “Orphans of the Living: Stories of America’s Children in Foster Care” by Jennifer Toth, “The Lost Children of Wilder: The Epic Struggle to Change Foster Care” by Nina Bernstein and “Beyond the Foster Care System: The Future for Teens” by Betsy Krebs. I can’t quote from them because I don’t have them with me — I checked them out from the library within the past year. But they contain stories and data to back up my own statements.
Time to get her tubes tied.
Btw. What makes stealing from a dead man more hell worthy than gambling with childrens health and future.
Fortunately she’s more dumb than mean and desperate, but that could change. Something needs to be done now before we read about 2 slightly older children being prostituted, murdered, dead from drug overdose or whatever else.
Time to act before some EMT is forced to react.
Does she deserve hell?
She’s already there.
Meaghan, I’m glad we can find some common ground. Thanks for your book recommendations.
She needs help, not hell.
No amount of help will make her a better parent.. Maybe better at not doing drugs, but i’d say her ‘loving caring mother side’ is pretty much gone