Jane C. Crane
I’m sure there will be at least two differing viewpoints expressed by People You’ll See In Hell readers about 19-year-old Jane C. Crane.
Possibly more.
Like many 19-year-olds, Jane Crane worked at a movie theater. While working there, she got to know another girl who was about her age who also worked at the movie theater. The girls talked, as girls do, and the subject of Jane Crane’s abusive stepfather came up. The family of the girl who was friends with Jane Crane, after hearing about the abusive situation that Jane was experiencing at home, decided that Jane could move in with them.
As they say, hindsight is always 20/20.
Jane Crane’s friend bought her own home and moved out of her parents’ house. Jane Crane moved in with her.
Well, Jane’s friend had a 15-year-old younger brother. Jane got herself a piece of that 15-year-old boy, at least twice, at the boy’s older sister’s house.
And, as nature intended from male/female copulation, Jane Crane got pregnant.
Whoops.
The pregnancy was a bit tense, and by the time that the baby was born on the 7th of April, 2008, the parents of the teenage boy were chomping at the bit to get Jane Crane charged.
In July of 2008, a grand jury indicted Jane Crane on two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, which happens to be a fourth-degree felony. If Jane Crane is convicted of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, she could be sentenced to 18 months in prison and forced to register as a sexual offender for 25 years or so.
The parents of the 15-year-old father attempted to gain custody of the baby, claiming that they could provide a better environment for the child than Jane Crane could.
They might have a point.
Crane’s stepfather, David L. Jacobs, was convicted of domestic violence in 2007 for hitting, choking and pointing a gun at Jane Crane’s 17-year-old sister. No prison time was handed out, and David Jacobs was just given two years of probation – but he’s in that house.
According to the 15-year-old’s father, he’s a bit concerned with the family that’s raising his granddaughter:
We don’t want to have our granddaughter abused by these people. We are trying to do the right thing.
Despite the above problems and the fact that Jane Crane is facing charges that are just a step below rape, the family court that heard the case decided that it would be a good idea to put the baby in her care.
The court also felt that the teenage father should pay child support. $50 a month. Oh yeah – and 7 hours of visitation a week.
As you can imagine, this court ruling upset the boy’s parents, who stated:
The child support was the icing on the cake. I couldn’t believe that our son has to pay child support to his abuser.
For those of you who will say that $50 a month isn’t that big a deal, remember – those child support payments are not going to stay that low. They’re low now, because he’s a teenager with no real income or ability to earn income. Once he graduates and gets a real job, he’s going to be feeling the pain – because he forgot to wear a condom while an adult was having sex with him.
The boy, who is now 16, is feeling a bit traumatized by the whole ordeal according to his mother:
He has nightmares, he is stressed out. He is a father, even though it was a crime for him to be a father. His life is changed forever.
It’s stressful enough to find out you’re going to be a dad. I’d imagine it would be a little worse in this case.
Does Jane Crane deserve Hell?
- No (68%, 355 Votes)
- Yes (32%, 167 Votes)
Total Voters: 522
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Not Hell, But Perhaps a Hysterectomy?
I’m just wondering why the parents of the 15 year old boy never taught him about the birds and the bees. Sex happens! What normal teenage boy wouldn’t jump at the chance to have sex with an older girl… not to mention ANY girl that would let him! I’m sorry, but I feel bad for Jane. She is going to have to raise this baby on her own with what little nurturing experience she may have gained from the abusive household she grew up in. I wonder if anyone will step up and help save this family instead of spending so much energy trying to destroy it.
HIYA JENKY I TOO FEEL BAD FOR THAT POOR GIRL.AS YOU SAID RIGHT What normal teenage boy wouldn’t jump at the chance to have sex with an older girl… not to mention ANY girl that would let him! HAHHHHAHAHAHA MAY THE LORD BLESS JANE CRANE
whether or not he let it happen it is still statatoriy rap and she is trying to get alomoney from him when she raped him. what if she was a 19 yr old boy and the 15 yr old was a girl and everything was the same? dont givmme this bullshit he would be in prison with a guy named bubu and he would still prolly have to pay something
This one’s simple actually. While honorably paying the child support payments and conducting the 7 hours of visitation religiously, file a civil suit against Jane Crane on top of the criminal case. While more expensive than a child support case, angle for terms of the civil case to include that because Jane Crane will be unable to provide for the child due to the award, she is an unfit mother.
The issue that they’re fighting is that the court rules that a child “should” stay with the mother, unless there is some environmental problem or emotional instability that makes the mother unfit for custody. As I understand the law, a civil case can have as a part of the damages a declaration that makes the mother unfit if she is unable to pay the compensation portion of an award.
Cruel perhaps, but that’s probably going to be faster than the criminal case that the Girl’s lawyer is going to continue unto oblivion.
This ones a tough call. I mean…when I was 15 and a 19 year old (who I’m asuming isn’t bad looking, but I don’t know) wanted to have sex with me…I would have said yes. It’s not rape, I was happy to let her ride me. I would likely not have even cared, condom or not, I’m 15 after all. It’s hard to say she’s hell bound from just the parents of teh kid to go by. It does seem odd they would award custody to a person who lives is the home of a charged and found guilty abuser tho, there must be more info.
That doesn’t mater, the age of consent laws were broken. Even if the boy directly asked her for sex he’s still under the age of consent meaning that legally his consent is meaningless. If a 19 year old boy had sex with a 15 year old girl he would go to jail for 30 years and probably have to pay damages to the victim. This IS a case of rape, bottom line. And now the victim has to pay child support to his rapist? The only reason she was able to get the custody of the child and the child support from her victim is because she’s a female. This is the most discussing form of sexual discrimination.
Hey, if I found a 15 year old girl who wanted to have sex with me (highly possible these days) would that make it ok? Definately not. This case smacks of total sexual descrimination. If the shoe was on the other foot everyone would be screaming for the rapist to fry.
Wow, this is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum.
OK, first – the 19 year old and the 15 year old should not be rape. It shouldn’t be even if the genders were reversed. The law is stupid there. I understand fully about children not being legally able to give consent, but give me a break. By 15, if both parties are willing – then the law should keep it’s damn nose out of it. (Just my opinion)
Now – the boys parents? They sound like an amazing bunch of vindictive dickheads! They want this girl to be put in jail (bad) and wear the label of a sex offender (incredibly horrible) for the remainder of her life? Because she had the nerve to sleep with their horny son? AND, to ice the cake, they want to take that crotch-fruit from her. And then, when they can’t GET the crotch-fruit, they bitch about having to pay for it?
It seems to me that if they could have been supportive of her, if they had offered to HELP her – watch the baby for her so she could get a job and stay away from the horrible home-life she was running from, – it could have all been ok. Instead THEY chose to be vindictive and to try to destroy the keeper of their grandchild. They lost, but more importantly, the baby lost.
So, my vote is: no to hell for Jane. Or anyone else. Although the boys family may have some ’splainin’ to do.
But stay tuned, something tells me that something hell-worthy will be happening to this kid. Poor little thing was born into one nasty situation.
See, I agree with you on this one Mazzi.
Not rape.
I do not even question the child support.
By 15, you are old enough to understand concequences. Oh, and when my daughter was 12 (who is now 14), the school had already taught “where babies come from” and the art of birth control.
15 year olds know about condoms, and they are handed out like candy, to both the boys and the girls, starting in middle school.
Now, custody to home with a convicted abuser? THAT is Hell worthy.
How can you expect a victim to pay child support. Its not a question of if he wanted to or not, its illegal. He cannot give consent. If he were 19 and she was 15 he would have been put in jail for 30 years. And where is he going to send the checks to, the prison? How stupid. Shes a criminal.
Chad, I agree with you on this: “How can you expect a victim to pay child support. Its not a question of if he wanted to or not, its illegal. He cannot give consent. If he were 19 and she was 15 he would have been put in jail for 30 years. And where is he going to send the checks to, the prison? How stupid” but the whole “she is a criminal” statement I will have to disagree. They were, let’s all say it together, YOUNG, DUMB and full of CUM and we all know that all three of those things never have a quite the best outcome, especially when you put 2 of them together……..
All that being said: The best interest of the baby is the biggest issue I have here, OBVIOUSLY that child is not safe in an environment that has been proven in the courts to be violent. So the boys’ parents used bad judgment by what? trying to prove a point, shamefully ignorant on their parts, but then again maybe they were virgins until they got married…….WTFE!!! Where was I going with that……oh yeah, the baby should be with the biological father and his family, if Janie is gonna be in the clink then the baby should be in a loving environment until she is done serving her sentence. By the way boys parents, if your reading this, you made a stupid move, unless your son was forced to diddle Jane… which it doesn’t sound like that happened….you have just now put bad blood in the mix and that is never fun in anyone’s future!!!!
Easy enough. Just switch sexes and watch how appalled I become! She was an adult and should have known better then to have sex with a minor. I do feel very badly for the kid. The child support is a nice double whammy. Seems sexism is dripping all over this one. Change the sexes around and people would be screaming at the injustice of it.
Do you really think that a 19 year old guy having sex with a 15 year old girl is that terrible?
Twelve – YES. Twenty-one -YES.
But in my opinion, being both a former teenage girl and the mother of a teenage daughter, I would not flip out over an age difference like that.
I know the law has to put some arbitrary numbers on it, but it seems to me that common sense would say that this is not that drastic. Those ages could easily be in the same school together at the same time; they probably have similar interests; the differences are not so great to make them inappropriate.
At 12 – any child is too young to have much in common with a normal 19 year old. A 21 year old should not have much in common with a 15 year old, but 15 – 19? I just don’t see it as being law-worthy.
I come to this site pretty often, I know it gets a hell of a lot worse then the 15/19 age difference. But if it were my 15 year old son/daughter I’d hunt the guy down. It’s not an insane age difference, but it is a big age difference. Any reasonable 19 year old should know that that age is off limits. It would be far to easy to manipulate the younger party into doing something that they normally wouldn’t.
ummmm, I don’t know about any of you but I lost my virginity at 15 to an 18 year old and we remained gf and bf throughout most of my high school career, he was a senior and I was a sophomore (not so bad when you think of it like that). We went on dates and had sex and were safe about it and guess what, my dad still shook his hand and he came to dinner at my house and spent Christmases with us etc. It was a typical high school puppy love type of deal…..c’mon are you really gonna tell me that most of you were not in a similar situation when you were that age. Puh-leez!!! The fact is that most kids lose their virginity on average by the age of 15, hell I have even known kids that have lost theirs as young as 12. I agree with Mazzi, 11-14 with a 19+ year old is not cool!
This is the rape kit that Curtis Lange had.
Funny, but his victims should have known something wasn’t right when they saw Curtis walking around with a box and then knocking on their door.
He wasn’t too bright.
“I couldn’t believe that our son has to pay child support to his abuser.”
She abused him alright. LOL
I bet he enjoyed every second of it. :)
“Oh, stop you’re abusing me oh I don’t want to do this OMG why am I erect Oh no I feel orgasm coming OHHHH…”
TM, you always put a smile on my face
That was great, Turtle LOL
What the heck is going on here? We’re talking about a boy that we have never met, never known anything about at all except for “He was raped” and everyone dismisses his claims and assumes that he really wanted it. The bottom line is that no one here has the right to say that we know what he was thinking. Legally he was raped, bottom line. Get off your feminism mentality and start looking at the situation for what it is. Your opinions matter to this situation about as much as equal opportunity employment maters to me as a white male(to clarify, that’s actually less than not at all).
Scott, do you like golden showers?
One thing that the law just does not seem to look at mature – IF she (Jane Crane) is decent looking (and at 15 my criteria was
1. Female (no males – period)
2. NOT ugly – did not nned to be good looking, just not ugly
3. Breathing
So if she’s decent looking, I do believe that there is no abuse.
LMAO!! The presence of abuse is being determined by attractiveness now???? So I, being a 15 year old female, would not have been sexually abused if, say, Brad Pitt coerced me into sex? Ok, smaller gap, Shia Labeouf?? This is ridiculous. I do not believe it was a “rape” because I don’t for one second think that the boy wasn’t flirting back or consenting. But I think it is ludicrious that people believe that the attractiveness of a sexual offender at all negates or lowers the intensity of the crime.
I’m pretty sure they are joking.
But seriously, the issue is not attractiveness, it is consent. WHICH, the law says cannot be given by a 15 year old, but which we all know in reality can, and is.
I remember when I was 17, I was introduced to a boy who told me he was 17 as well. He drove me to the movies, then to the mall. Then we went to his house (and, knowing me – back then, he was almost certainly going to get some ass), where he got in DEEP trouble for stealing his mother’s car! It turned out that he was FOURTEEN! (And, yes – it was one the most excrutiatingly embarassing moments in my life – not only was his mother ripping him a new one in front of me, but I was 15 miles from home, AND I was gagging at the thought that I had made out with, and almost screwed a 14 year old!)
My point is, he was obviously NOT in a position where he was about to be raped – he was in a position where he was hoping to get laid. That would not have been a crime back then (20-some years ago), but it might be today, in my state.
I know there have to be lines drawn somewhere, and I really don’t object to the way most states define statutory rape, but there really needs to be SOME flexibility, especially in cases that are really squeaky close to the line.
It’s not fair to her that she will be branded a sexual offender for life, under the circumstances.
Looking back at high school:
Would have done
Rape
1. Any male teacher (I do discriminate…)
2. My geometry teacher (I have flabaphobia)
3. English 10C (Bitchaphobia)
4. Spanish 1 (Jst too old)
5. Librarian 9 old, senile….
6. Chemistry – there was none between me & her
7. Study Hall 323 9th grade – fat and bitchy
8. The art sub – she looked like she got harpooned at the beach
Had to have some alcohol before I was willing
1. Algebra 2
2. Spanish 2 & 3
3 Biology 9
4. Homeroom 10th grade
5. Study Hall 311 – nice lady, bit older…
Would have gladly done
1. The second principal if she had not just been married
2. The drama club teacher
Had fantasies about
1. The sub I had in English 12
Also when I was in elementary school there was a real hot teacher that was the reason why we started masturbating……
in 5th
The homeroom teacher – maybe
6th
No way
%th and 6th
The enrichment teacher – I wished she taught another subject……
The science teacher – her moustache was a turn off
Piano lab – attitude……
Jr, High –
1. Too old, too dumb, too bitchy, too large
2. One area had 2 hot teachers – both in need of a stiffy and a long line ready to do so
College
Rape
1. Any male again
2. Any comp sci professor – either male or too old
3. Any of the arts and science professors – just way too bitchy (they probably needed a stiffy)
Need some alcohol
1. Head of the ACS – older, but
Would Have gladly done
1. One of the physics professors – cute geekette type
2. The sys admin. I though I was going to meet Jabba the Hut’s sister the way people talked about her – She had a few extra pounds on her in all the right places – I was like totally toung tied when I met her….
Males and females are different. In most cases a 15 year old boy is just so horney that a stiff breeze is enjoyed, while most 15 year old girls have a way different attitude.
Okay, just so you all know (and in case he is reading this board) Brad Pitt can abuse me ANY TIME!
This case is not like a case where a girl is raped and gets pregnate. This boy knew that having sex could result in a child. Of course he young and immature, but so are all of the other 15 year old fathers are out there. Of course he has to pay child support, he fathered a child! And if the family wanted the baby so much, they should be more than happy to pay the $50.00 a month and be a part of their grandchild’s life. I have two children, and they cost me WAY more than $50.00 a month! Also, this happened TWICE, so apparently, he came back for more after the first time…doesn’t sound like abuse to me.
To say that she “raped” him is very rediculous. I mean come on we all know how teenagers are these days. I mean kids are drinking now at the age of 13 and clearly having sex a lot earlier than they should. lets face it … its not the day an age anymore where EVERYONE is waiting till marrige. 15 is about the age of a freshman in high school and 19 about a senior ( a little older, i know). I know PLENTY of individuals in either one of these grades that have dated/ slept with someone older or younger than them. the reason they aren’t getting charged.. is because they didn’t have a kid. So if your going to charge and call a 19 year old a rapist because she met a 15 year old who she liked and had sex with, then you might want to convict hundreds of other individuals.
So to blame this all on the older individual (either a male or female) is wrong. If the boy felt that he was being taken advantage of do you think he would have gone back two or three times? No, after the first time he would have stopped, but he is just like many others and doesn’t think about what MIGHT happen. I mean did the boys parents never meet her? were they dating? did this just happen after knowing eachother for a week, or was this after a few months. And if they did know eachother for awhile, and this was bothering the parents, don’t you think they would have told their son they don’t approve of this. The only reason now, is because they realized that their kid messed up, and he was having sex at a younger age than he should have been. They are going to blame their bad parenting on a teenage girl who is just now trying to raise her baby girl the best she can, and man up to what happened.
Your an idiot. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE BOY WANTED – IT IS ILLEGEL. THATS ALL THAT MATTERS.
Yeah, maybe illegal, but c’mon. When I was 17 I was banging a 25 year old chick. She wasn’t raping me and I know damn well this chick didn’t rape the 15 year old.
What she did was grossly irresponsible and if I were the boys parents I’d be be raising hell. My views have changed a bit since I was a teenager and I have a son now. I’d be pissed if some 19 year old was fucking my son. However, prosecuting for rape? No way. It would be equally irresponsible to brand a girl for life (or a boy, I have a teenage daughter) as a rapist for something 2 consenting people did, even if 1 is not “legally” able to give consent. This situation is bad enough – no need to make it worse.
And yes, as it stands now, the boy should pay child support. Regardless of all the other bullshit going on, he has a moral obligation to help support the kid, and she has a moral obligation to make sure the money is being spent wisely to support the kid. The baby didn’t do anything wrong, and nobody has any right to deny the baby money to be spent on her welfare.
Also, if the baby is being raised in an unhealthy environment and the boy’s parents can provide a better home, they should. The mother should recognize this and willingly give up custody. If she’s too stupid or selfish to realize raising a baby in an abusive household isn’t a good idea, then the courts need to intervene.
And by the way, I got the girl pregnant and spent 19 years paying child support. I also knew the best place for him was with his mother and did my level best not to interfere with her parenting. He’s 26 now, with a masters degree, kicking around doing the artsy-fartsy thing and thinking about getting married. I’m proud of him and of my ex. Wonderful people. Just comes a point in time when you have to quit acting like a couple of morons and think about the kid.
Oh, and Chad, it’s ‘YOU’RE’ not “YOUR’ – and because I’m kinda crabby tonight, I think you’re an idiot. I’d probably think that anyway, what with your closed, unimaginative mind, but ya’know, tonight we’ll just blame it on the crankiness.
Guess what? I’ve been raped by a woman and I’m a man. I was making it with this woman when we were in our early 20’s and my intention was not to do anything internally related because she was talking about test results coming back. I didn’t “really” know her. So she mounts me and I’m telling her to stop but she didn’t. Finally I had to push her off me. Luckily I didn’t get anything from her, being tested later. Not cool, I say. Would you want to have a piece of that? Yeah, me either. It does happen, people. It was a mindfck for awhile, but I’m better now. My message tongiht is to let you know this is possible.
If that is the definition of rape then my first time was rape…. I was a teenager (19, but to make a good story, just use the term teenager) witha 24 year old. I had not intended to go as far as we did, but we had discussed the fact that she had birth control under control and maybe construed consent from that conversation.
Anyway I was quite naked after being blown and I wanted to suck on her breasts – like we had done the day before. Only this time she was wearing a dress as opposed to a shirt and pants. I commented and she told me that the dress had only 2 buttons, which I promptly unbuttoned. She stood up to let the dress fall and then took off everything else and jumped on top of my woody!
Am I complaining? NO – bragging – a bit.
As a male I was very happy, while I understand that many females may have considered this rape, few males would (hell I was grateful)
In short there is a difference about sexuality between the sexes – not to say that all females feel the same and all males feel the same as well, but the fact is that there are differences between the sexes which will always plague hetersexual relatonships
This kid was probably having a hell of a good time and bragging to his mates how he was getting some goood loving from an older chick.
Schools teach enough in sex education for a 15 year old to know to wear a condom if he doesnt want to run the risk of making a baby. So i agree that he should definately pay child support.
If the child is being raised in an abusive environment and the dad can give the child a better life, then yeah, he should get custody.
Does Jane deserve hell for being stupid and also forgetting that sex – condom = good chance of baby? Nah.
They should both be made to go to a famly planning centre before they have sex (no matter who its with ) again.
The only person in this story that deserves hell is the abusive step dad.
all I can say is that if the roles were reversed, there would be a lot less of the abuser getting sympathy and the victim getting less scorn.
i DO NOT disagree that a woman can rape a man. And i feel the same way about `woman raping man`as i do about `man raping woman.`
It happens. But in THIS case the sex was consentual. If the boy had been 17 and the girl 15 i would still have the same opinion. They should have thought more about practicing safe sex before they did the deed.
Amy, I noticed you conveniently lowered the guys age to 17 there.
Alright, I’m friends with Jane’s younger brother. A few days ago, we were sitting in class together when he told me that the boy was the one that raped her – not the other way around. The only reason that she was considered to be the rapist in this situation was because of the age difference, nothing more.
Oh please Sophie, how old are you, 12? Of course her younger brother is going to make excuses for his big sister.
What’s going this week? Is there an especially bad batch of LSD floating around the world. This is just pathetic! Pathetic!
Max, Max, Max….you, sir, just made my day. Of course, since they’re about 12, it may just be huffing of the markers and white-out, but still….you are the man.
I get really tired of the arguments about ‘reverse the genders and people would be appalled’. This always gets trotted out but I just don’t think it’s true–I’ve seen loads of arguments about it being unfair when a 19 year old guy is arrested/whatever for being involved with a 15 year old. That age difference is not that noteworthy–sure it’d raise a few eyebrows. But I think the only reason this is even up here is because the genders are reversed. I’ve never seen an example with the genders reversed, when the age gap is that small. Sure, for girls of 11 or 12. But if they started putting 19 year old guys who slept with 15 year old girls up here there’d be just as many people saying it wasn’t rape.
Actually, I’d call it rape.
It totally depends on the circumstances.
RAPE is always rape when one party does not want it at the time it is happening.
Rape is sometimes rape when both parties want it, but one party is using coercion or power to influence the other (ie: big age differences, mentally handicapped people.)
Rape is not rape when both parties are willing, no force or coercion is used and neither party is too young or too mentally deficient to make a decision.
The third scenerio is the problem. Note that it is still “rape” in the legal sense, but in the social/moral sense? Not so much. That is the situation where there needs to be some flexibility.
In this case, it’s fairly safe to say that the BOY wanted it. His parents, on the other hand, (understandably) did not want him to have it. His parents are the one pushing the issue and bringing the charges. Using the system, if you will.
So, in this case, I think the only FAIR thing is to ask the boy. DID he want it? Was he at all aggressive? (Think abut it – he may well have been the instigator – just because she’s older doesn’t mean that SHE was the power in the relationship). And then make the decisions based on their specific set of circumstances, and not by some arbitrary numbers pulled out of the air.
I’d agree, except that the boy just turned 16, and only now could he have actually even agreed(in the legal sense) that he did “want it.”
No means no, but yes also means no, when the partner is a child.
She a raping bitch and i hope her stepfather beats the fuck out of her deviant ass.
I mean these people took her into there own home……and how does she repay them?
By sleeping with their 15 year old son.
Now say what you will but if you invited me to your house and i fucked your 15 year old daughter….You’d be rightfully pissed at me……and if you wouldn’t……………Erm then can i stay at your house
No
this kid really grabbed the short end of the stick here. all he thought he was getting was some action, but as an added “bonus” he became a daddy….
i don’t think she deserves hell though, i see little problems in a 19 y/o girl having sex with a 15 y/o boy, the only thing they did wrong imho is not using a contraceptive. i don’t really get why the kid has to pay child support though.
He has to pay child support because HE HELPED MAKE A BABY.
Whether he wanted a baby or not, he has one. If two people make a baby, then two people are responsible for its welfare.
Just because the kid was 15 does not change the fact that the baby needs daipers, milk, doctors an education, maybe braces, shoes, ect ect.
He may not think it is FAIR that he needs to pay child support, but that brings us back to the choice he made to NOT WEAR A CONDOM.
Okay Amy, touché!! BUT what about Janie-jane….is she also ordered to pay child support? What aggravates me about the “system”, granted it’s come a looooong way…..but MOST of the time a court automatically gives the baby to the mother, MOST of the time even if the mother is not the most fit out of the two parents. When my ex tried to fight me for custody, on completely fabricated and unsubstantiated grounds, we had to jump through a million hoops in order to establish who our son should be “awarded” to. A child advocate was assigned to make home visits, we had to go see her in a therapy type setting a few times and a thorough report was made by her with her recommendations as to what the court should ultimately decide. That being said she found that we were both competent and fit equally so 50/50 custody was awarded. I do get child support but that is ONLY because his father makes 4 times more than I do annually and according to the court, the lifestyle of the child must remain equal at both households therefore his dad must supplement what I may be lacking financially at my home. I whole heartedly believe that this should be the protocol in all custody battles. A friend of mine makes more than her baby-daddy so SHE pays the supplement (child support) in their 50/50 split. Different states and different countries do things …….well….differently, so it is not like that everywhere, but it should be. A trained child advocate should be involved in order to be the voice of the child in a dispute about that child’s future. I could have CLAIMED to be a good mother until the cows come home and the court wouldn’t know any different if I had a clean record, right? But I COULD be a drug addict, prostitute, living in a cockroach infested home, with no food in the cupboards and a broken toilet, ya never know. For those of you who take everything on here so literally, that is definitely NOT the case, but I’m just sayin!!
So for you to say he has to pay child support simply because he helped make the baby is a bit ignorant. I didn’t read anything about her having to pay one red cent and that to me is ridiculous. Why, because she is a female? She is also responsible for the welfare and support of that baby; she also made a choice not to MAKE HIM WEAR A CONDOM or POP A PILL herself.
I didn’t ask for child support and my ex and I chose not to have lawyers involved in our divorce. My feeling was that if he didn’t take responsibility, then he wasn’t worthy of being called her father and no court could mandate that. He stepped up to the plate and remained the best dad ever.
We decided long before we ever had her, what we would do in case of _______. Who woud get her if we died, who would get her in divorce, and even how to discipline her. All done in advance – so there were no issues or surprises. But the one constant always was – KIDS are the most important thing.
I got custody, and I made damned sure that even while she was resenting her dad (for some stupid things he did), that she never heard bad things from me about him.
Even though my new hubby is a german citizen and wanted us to move there, I would not move my daughter away from her dad. He moved to the US instead.
And now? She is an amazingly well adjusted 17 year old now, who tells her friends that she has FOUR parents who love her. Seriously – she tell her friends that!
I think that people need to learn to be civil and to remember that the CHILDREN are what is important. They are not weapons or paychecks. They deserve to have the best that their parents can offer (not financially – emotionally).
My child will ot want. If her dad hadn’t done the right thing, I would have supported her alone. But she would not want for the basics under any circumstances.
I totally agree with you. Both parents are EQUALLY responsible. I guess i seem a little biased in my comments and that would be that i dont get an child support from my kids dad. He sits on welfare and doesnt have to pay a cent.
But yeah BOTH parents are liable to pay.
Can i have your ex Mazzi? I think the way you and your ex have maintained a friendly,civil relationship is great.
I know on hindsight, that had i chosen a better man to father my children, their lives and my life would have been so much easier and stress free.( if i knew then what i know now)
Its not just about safe sex, its about making the right choices in general.
Jane made a bad choice. Her 15 year old lover made a bad choice. Now they need to make better choices. Their baby`s happiness and well being depends on it.
I don’t think this was rape. Age of consent laws are absolute bunk imho, and cause more harm than they’re worth.
Hey how about the fact that even though these people were having crazy horizontal sweat fests…..how about we focus on what’s more important……..BIRTH CONTROL. When my kids start to become sexually active, and I know it is inevitable and will probably happen at a far too young of an age (my preference would be like 25) but I digress, I will make damn sure that they know that they can A. come to me without being harshly judged B. will be educated well about birth control C. will understand the pro’s and con’s of not using their brains and either putting on a condom or popping a pill. That is what the real issue should be, why in gods name were they swapping fluids? There are far too many teenage mothers and fathers and I honestly think it’s due to the fact that parents have forgone the role of being educators first and friends later. By the way, there is no kid too young to be scared into submission that’s my motto. My kids are going to have the fear of god instilled into them about the trials and tribulations of being teenage parents.
Throughout history, probably the majority of people became parents in their teens. It’s nothing new at all. The problem is that these days, we’ve artificially extended childhood quite a bit, especially in the US, so many people aren’t properly grown up until they’re like 30.
I kind of think we get kids to grow up too fast these days.
I take my kids to the ‘Blue Light Disco`s” ( police organized and chaperoned events for kids) and see so many little girls dressed up WAY beyond their years. Their parents send them off to these events knowing how they are dressed.
We expect them to achieve more acedemically and socially than kids twenty years ago.
I wish i COULD extend my childrens childhoods. The longer they can be kids and the freedom that comes with that, the better. Being Grown Up isnt all its cracked up to be.
I dunno – I can stay up and watch T.V. as late as I want, I can boss my kids around and make them do the stuff around the house I don’t want to do, I don’t have to drink milk, I can drive, I don’t have to go to school, and I always have boatloads of money in my wallet that I don’t share because when you’re old you can be mean because you’re bigger and it’s not fair because I make the rules up.
I hated my childhood. Children have no freedom at all — virtually every aspect of their lives is dictated by forces beyond their control.
I read a very good book recently called The Case Against Adolescence, which argued that people about 13 or so and up are to all intents adults and should be treated as such. It made a very persuasive argument, citing studies of every conceivable kind (historical, sociological, psychological, neurological, biological, anthropological, etc).
I know not ALL kids have a good life. I think my kids have it good though. Apart from all the nessecities in life, they have a mother who ADORES them and LISTENS to them when they have something to say.
They have choices in life. Like who they are friends with, ( so far they have made good choices there) what sports they play, what they wear, what music they listen to…
they have lots of choices in life and i dont think they are CONTROLLED. They have been raised in the right way and know that their opinion is valid and will be heard. They are shown respect and therefore give respect to others. If they make a bad choice, then they live with the consequences of that choice.
They are only kids once. You only get that one shot at teaching and leading them in the right direction.
My son is 13 next year and there is NO WAY he is anywhere NEAR being an adult.
Not trying to be a smart arse or anythying, but i have to ask ,Meaghan do you have kids?
The book you read sounds interesting, and i wont discount it, but in reality 13 is not even close.
I don’t have children. I pretty much can’t have them on account of how I can’t have sex. However, I know that at 14, if I’d had a steady source of income and transportation, I could have done much better on my own than with my parents.
I would recommend the book. You could probably find it at the library, or through inter library loan.
Many children can’t choose their friends, clothes or music, because their parents make their lives hell if they go against what the adults want. Many children aren’t allowed to have opinions, period. Certainly my parents never listened to me. I was either indulged, or ignored, or occasionally abused.
Don’t you think it’s strange that in many third world countries, and up until the 19th century anywhere, people were considered adults by their mid-teens, married, had careers, etc., and did just fine, but now anyone under 18 in Western societies is automatically an infant and immature and needs adult guidance/control? My 12-year-old great-great-great grandfather ran away from home and joined the Army to fight in the war of 1812. The book mentions another 12-year-old who was captain of a ship around the same time. There is no real difference between the 14-year-old of 2008 and the 14-year-old of 1808. The only difference is in society.
I see your point and i agree that some children would be better off leaving home at 14 if they could fend for themselves.
As en example, my mother was raising her 6 siblings at the age of eight as her mother was off working and her step father just didnt give a shit about things like feeding the kids, or making sure they were safe, healthy or happy, when there was booze to be drunk.
My mum realized that someone had to feed and bathe the crying children, so she did.
They all refer to her still, ( she is now 54) as mummy deborah.
She HAD to be mature.
We do live in a culture that allows kids to stay kids for longer than some other cultures, and im glad for that. It gives me longer to help them prepare for the life ahead of them.
This is the most retarded thing I have ever read on this site…This shit happens every day!
Most kids are so advanced now-a-days.
At 12 years old, I didn’t know what orgasm meant. Ask any American kid today and most of them can give you the correct answer or something similar.
When i was 12 i was still playing with barbie. BUT HAVE YOU CHECKED OUT BARBIE LATELY? Barbie looks kind of slutty and when you buy her you get a Barbie info booklet that gives little girls all sorts of advice about fashion, music,boys,dating and all that other important stuff that girls 12 and under NEED to learn about from a Barbie booklet.
My daughter is way past that age, but when she was about twelve the Bratz dolls came out. THEY were shocking! There was one who looked like a dominatrix hooker – dressed in black pleather and chains.
Luckily, by twelve, my daughter had a pretty good handle on main-stream society, and called the them the Slutz dolls.
She has not been sheltered from the reality out there, but she has learned much of it from the “God, that is stupid” perspective, rather than the “OMG! That’s COOL” perspective.
I have to say that this is one of the strangest situations I have seen. A 19 yo girl (Let’s face facts she may have the body of a woman but has the mind of a teenager) Get’s it on with a 15 yo boy who for all intents and purposes could look like he is 18 – 20. Now getting pass the physical part mentally the boy is in overdrive. I mean as a former boy-boy I can attest to willing to stick my thinking head in any port at that age. I was horny as the devil and if a girl came at me no matter what age I would have smashed it. Would that have been rape? Hell no. Would it have been good? Hell yes. If there was a baby that came out of it, my mom wouldn’t have even tried the garbage that these parents are trying. I say let this chick go and the kid now knows to slap a sock on the pickle.
Slap a sock on the pickle………..I’m speechless
You’ve never heard that term? He should have heard it. I mean as a man I don’t trust women who tell me that they are on the pill or on any type of BC until I get to know them and their sexual history. I ask when they had a HIV/STD test and even then I am hesitant until I am sure they won’t try to trap me. So I will slap a sock on the pickle.
WELP! Ahhhh where shall I begin! Maybe you should become gay, sounds to me like you think women are pure evil underneath it all. Not because you are playing it safe BUT because you assume that there are underlying motives for a woman wanting you to “dip your pickle in her.” I am not going to turn this into a men vs. women pissing contest but I will say this……….
REALLY????
Liz, I have to give him one there. It is alien to some of us to think that there are women who’s primary motivation for sex is to “get something”, and that the jackpot for these women is a baby.
Using estimated numbers here, the scheme goes thusly: when a Babydaddy is ID-ed, he has to cough up child support for 18 years. The state minimum child support is, say, $300 a month for the first child, and $100 for the second child. So if Ho-bag has 2 kids from same babydaddy, she gets $400 a month. If, however, she has 2 kids from different sperm donors, she gets $300 from #1 and $300 from contestant 2, or $600 a month v. $400.
So, the system is flawed (as usual) and stacked in favor of multiple sex partners, fatherless households and unwanted, uncared for children.
Bob is not necessarily wrong to suspect women. It’s not just ghetto women who are playing this game, either. Lots of working-class single women are doing it now to supplement their monthly income. Scary.
If I had a pickle, it would stay in the jar.
There really are some stupid, selfish, weirdo women out there who DO get pregnant by someone just to keep them in their life. The reasoning being, “if we have a baby together then he will HAVE to stay with me out of duty to the child.” It really does happen.
Then you have the other sort of crazy woman who gets pregnant with NO intention whatsoever of having the childs father involved in the childs life. Its, “whoops, im pregnant, now piss off.”
So i agree that BC should always be up to each individual. Keep that condom handy even if she says she is on the pill. Because you could just be unlucky enough to be having a fling with one of those selfish, crazy, stupid women.
Not to mention… they say that TWENTY FIVE percent of all sexually active women now have an STD.
With odds like that, only an idiot would have unprotected sex unless they knew 100% that their partner was clean. Regardless of which side of the gender fence you are on.
15 yr old boys are horny…so are girls…at 15 I lost my virginity to a 19 yr old guy I dont think she deserves hell…
Hey, I want to be 15 and horny again. Guess I have to find a legal aged woman and role-play. We’d do the teacher-student or the nurse-patient fantasies, yes.
This is lame. It happens all of the time. 15 years olds always have sex with their siblings older friends it’s a perfect match. Usually the other way around though. Would that be more accepted? And some times they get prego. Shocker? Did you find this story amusing because of the 50.00 child support request? This does not surprise you too does it? Have not quite found the worthiness of this story for you to lay your opinion upon.
I tell my son all the time that he should be extra nice to his sisters because one day he is going to look at their friends in a whole different light….
Nope. I bet you he will have chose to do that with her anyway. It’s still against the law but it wasn’t rape.
people are so quick to send others to hell.
ON JUDGEMENT DAY.. UR ALL THE SAME IN GODS EYES
Lighten up brother, we’re just trying to have a little fun here, and maybe vent a little anger too. It’s the lighter side of damnation.
So, you really believe that we are all the ssame in God’s eyes on judgement day? You think that God gave Ted Bundy the same kind of greeting that he gave Mother Theresa?
You think that Teddy and Theresa both got the extra comfy king suite in heaven?
If you believe in God – how can you possibly believe that He doesn’t care how we act on earth? Huh? It can’t logically go both ways.
Either you Believe in God and believe that he rewards good people and damns bad people, or you DON’T believe in God, and therefore it’s a free for all down here on earth, and there will never be a judgement day. LOL.
Yeah, I know – you don’t get it. But trust me, what you wrote really made your stupidity shine through like a blinkin’ beacon!
Hey im no saint, but im a good person. I dont bash my children or molest them. I dont cheat on my husband. I dont steal and i dont kill other people.I dont get drunk or high and leave my children to fend for themselves. I go to church regularly and try my hardest to teach my children right from wrong so that one day, they too will be able to look upon themselves as good people.
Are you telling me that God looks at me in the same light as Jane here and all the other POS on this site.
I fucking hope not. It doesnt give one much reason to do the right thing does it?
Maybe you should think before you type.
The people who say such stupid shit are people who have no real morals. They are the kind of people who, while they might not deliberately go out and mug an old lady, would pick up someone’s wallet on the street and keep it.
They probably go to church and hear the parts of the sermon that say that if you ask God’s forgiveness He will give it to you – and never grasp the concept that they must not just ASK, but they have to stop doing rotten things too.
All they hear is the part about being forgiven. So they run around doing all kinds of bad things – finding ways to cheat the system, being opportunistic vultures – and figure that so long as they keep asking for forgiveness at the altar, they are going to the clouds, and not the flames.
That’s cool – they can think that all they want – but I wish they would STFU. It’s really irritating for people like us who DO try to stay on the moral/ethical high road, or who have really changed from bad people to good people, to have to listen to ignorant crap like that.
yea, all these HOLY so called people wanting to condemn people. remember, true christians dont judge. yeah, these stories are something to read but i never participate in the polls.
a-b-o-r-t-i-o-n. real simple and most of the time real easy. people should learn from crane. will they???????
Theres always a-d-o-p-t-i-o-n too.
If a fifteen year old boy raped a 19 year old girl—-he would be charged as an adult in most states, why treat him as a child because of a statute. How many people this close in age do have consentual sex? How many get caught? How many are tried as sex offenders? It’s a bunch of bullshit. I hate the boy’s parents, and I hope their grandchild hates them forever.
ya know…when I was 15 i had a 19 year old girlfriend for a while…..damn why couldn’t she rape me??? When i was 15 i was a sophomore in high school and my(and every other 15 year old boy’s) central preoccupation in life was the relentless persuit of dipping my pickle into some girls jar. This kid most likely got exactly what he wanted and was then too weak to tell his parents to back off. It may be illegal but when i was 15 trust me i was definately old enough to concent!!
“Dipping your pickle into some girls jar?”….now ive heard it all. MEN!!!! Cant live with em…cant go without sex. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place!
she wasnt committed of RAPE. he is not right but he isn’t to blame either. say you replace jane with a 17 year old, or even a 15 year old, and THEIR, not HER negligience caused her to be impregnated. Whois the victim now.
I don’t think the “if we replace this fact with this bit of fiction and that fact with that bit of fiction” defence would work too well in a court room. If you think the laws for sexual consent are wrong then work to get them changed but as the law stands at this point, like it or not she is a rapist.
most of you people are forgetting that the boy is having nightmares. It does seem that he was at least manipulated or forced by her. Forced sex by women on men or boys isnt unheard of. IN this situation, i would think it happened. Given the statements that he is having nightmares. He seems like a victim of sexual abuse. now the court is forcing him to pay his abuser and yes, she did hurt and abuse him.
Rape is ALWAYS wrong. But he is not paying her. He is paying towards the upbringing and welfare of his child. The child in this situation is compleately balmeless and needs to be supported financially no matter what he argument is between the parents.
you seem to be forgetting that the 15 year old is also a child, now he is a victim of sexual abuse with the typical emotional effects of sexual abuse. He is having to write a check to support his abuser and the child, the child was the result of his abuse. that is the mysterious injustice toward him.
So i guess that the innocent baby should just suck eggs and go without the necessities in life…..
you seem to be forgetting that the 15 year old is also a child, now he is a victim of sexual abuse with the typical emotional effects of sexual abuse. He is having to write a check to support his abuser and the child, the child was the result of his abuse. that is the monstrous injustice toward him.
I have to disagree with you here. At 15 years old, you know what sex is, you know that if you put your winky in a girl with no protection, you’ve got a good chance of having a kid, so I’m sorry, yes he should have to pay for this child that he also willingly created. I say, this lad could have easily NOT had sex with her if he didn’t want to.
I most definitely not call this rape, four years age difference is nothing when you’re 15 and 19, no matter which sex is the older sex. You’re both grown up enough to make an informed decision.
At what age do kids not know what sex is? By your logic alot of the pedophiles on this site should get away with it because hey the kid knew about sex. Taking advantage of a child even when they are a willing participant is wrong. As I’ve stated before, If you don’t agree with the age of consent laws fight to get them changed but as the law stands this is rape.
The fifteen year old BOY should’ve known better yes. But the nineteen year old WOMAN should’ve been the one to say no. The law states that if a person over the of 18 has sex with a person under the age of 18 it is called RAPE, no matter if it was consenual or not! Any boy that had the chance to be with an older woman, would take it. That is why we have the laws that we have. They are just kids. They do not know what is good for them and what is not. Adults, however, do know what is right and wrong. It was WRONG for her to have sex with a minor even if he said yes. If a 19 year old man had sex with a 15 year old woman, then everyone would say that he needs to be put in prison and made to register as a sex offender. The reason is because that is disgusting! It is disgusting for a person over the age of 18 to have sexual intercourse with someone under the age of 18.
Your a sick disgusting feminist “Jenkey” HOW DARE YOU! The Men’s Rights Movement and MRAs are growing and soon you feminists will be dust in the wind. I hear cases of male sperm donors being forced to pay child support to a lesbian couple. MEN ARE STARTING TO FIGHT WOMEN BACK!!
yes, we feature stories about those kind of men on this blog all the time.
-editor
WOW I LOVE THE HIPOCRACY OF THE WOMEN HERE! WOW, women digust me! I can’t believe they only belive in rape when it suits the needs of women. THIS BOY WAS A CHILD! I can’t believe this… I just can’t believe how women can think like this..
Away, troll boy, away I say. I cast yee OUT!!
Michael Crook is that you?
My bet Ryan is that women find you pretty disgusting too. I do believe that rape can be committed by both a man and a woman. There are different forms of rape though. Statutory rape, where the person is willing, but underage, and unwilling rape, where the victim weather, underaged or not, is an unwilling participant in the act.
Both are wrong and yes she should be punished for her actions. But why should the baby? Why should the child they had go without a father and the finacial support a father should provide?
what strikes me as funny is in my province, the legal age of consent is 16 BUT if the 2 involved are within 5 years of each other its NOT statutory rape. with means 14 yr old with a 18 yr old, or 15 yr old with an 19 yr old…same thing, and YES he should pay support, you made this baby. she didnt hold him down and force him, TWICE….(maybe more) and Im willing to bet she didnt take his virginity…he knew what he was doing. If it was a 19 yr old man and a 15 yr old girl, who had sex at least twice, and the girl got pregnant, the guy sure as shit would be paying support! I think if this kid doesnt want this girl or really belives she manipulated him into having sex, then let it be a lesson learned, visit your kid, pay your money, because in the end, that baby is the one who suffers! and guess what? 20 years down the road, that child is still going to be HIS child!!
Sorry to burst your bubbles but men and women are not equal! It’s impossible to treat them as such! Even sometimes, in the court system. What I don’t understand is why all you people feel as though it’s incumbent upon yourselves to pass judgement on situations you hear about in the news. Maybe you would find it more productive to do something good with all that energy instead of putting down people you don’t even know.
I’m going to say the same thing that everyone says to people who question why posters “waste their time” by voicing their opinions about the stories presented here, and the people involved in them..
If what goes on here bothers you so much, then why are you here?? It doesn’t make any sense to keep coming back to a site that bothers you so much.. No sense at all..
Not equal??? Im sorry, but i gotta break into song at this point…..”I am woman hear me roar in numbers too big to ignore, cause i know too much to go back and pretend. I am still an embryo, wth a long long way to go, before i make my brothers understand…..I am strong. I am am invincible….I AM WOMAN!!!!!!! RRROOOAAAARRRRR!!!!
LOL.
*snort* Too funny Amy.
The 15 year old’s parents are acting stupid like their kid was a sweet little angel who had his innocence stolen. I will bet my life savings that he wanted it as much if not more than she did when I was that age I slept around a lot, sometimes with girls that were a few years older than me and 8 years later I still have no regrets about it, of course I did not end up with a fuck trophy like homeboy did, I could see how that could be nerve racking. but the parents are acting like he is traumatized if my son was traumatized about getting a piece of ass from an older girl i would be worried about him. My point is that it is an ugly situation regardless so why would the parents add more drama to the situation by being vindictive asshats they should be there for their son, their granddaughter, and the mother of their grandchild if i were the 15 year old father i would be pissed off at my parents because it sounds like they have some growing up to do as well.
i your all really fucking stupid this is so stupid. this was a 15 year old girl who had sex with a 19 year old boy there would be no question that he would be sent to prison for a year or more and forced to regester as a sex offender. i know as women we are pityed more but come on now thats just stupid its sexest discrimination against men. this is not right and if the courts would just take away the gender factor their would be no question. this is wrong if u sit back and think about it this is wrong what if it was your 15 year old boy/girl then it would be a differnt story this girl sounds like a compulsive lier and everyone needs to see that. this is wrong yes he was 15 and thought ooo and older woman but thats just it “OLDER” she should have know better and should have been the adult…if we cant trust adults to make the right choices who the hell can we trust. i belive that the baby needs to be with her dad and i hope that u will stop and think and see that this is no joke the boy is deffinaly getting screwd over. …i pray for the family and best of luck and wishes.. i think that all of u who think that he did that and as u morons say is just PLAYING off as the innocent angel i think ur all fucking stupid and are problbly banging little 15 year olds yourselves u nasty ass and if that is the case then i feel bad that ur gross asses cant get a girl/boy your own age does that mean you can have sex with people younger than 15 “beacuse they supoosedly know bout sex” then how young is too young??? is 10 monthes too young, 5 years too young?!?!?!?!? who r u to judge whats too young, or just the right age???!!! all of you need to grow up and start fucking thoes your own age!
wow. That is the most rambling, unintelligble drivel I believe I have ever read. And that’s all I have to say about that. hint: dictionary.com…..it works!!!
This post is proof that some people really are too stupid to survive.
The lack of coherent thought processes, the inability to form simple sentences or use basic grammar, and the inability to spell simple words correctly is stunning. Not to mention the deeper failures of the post – such as the inability to comprehend that there were all kinds of responses to the story, and the comprehensive clumping of “all of us” into the same groups. I certainly am not a grammar nazi, but this is so far off the charts that it is actually funny.
It’s also really sad. I wonder if nonames mother did crack when she was pregnant? That would explain it for sure.
Oops – sorry Kim – replied under the wrong post, lol. Yours is fine =P
Jane Crane Update…
I can’t believe she named her kid “Jane Crane”
What a shitty name imo, but then again, I’m not great at naming babies either… just better than that!
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/06/04/janecrane.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=101
Ok, You are all nuts. At 15, everyone knows what they are doing.
The monster I mean mother of the 15 year old boy is just playing the whole. My child could do nothing wrong act.
The fact that it happened twice or more. COME ON! Seriously now.
If it happened on more than one time, the boy was going over there to get it!
If he was really freaked out about it, he wouldn’t have returned to the house for a second possibly third time.
He wanted to get laid and now doesn’t want to deal with the consequences.
She didn’t RAPE him. Otherwise she would have been charged with RAPE. The only reason charges were pressed is because dear old mom and dad said so.
The 15 year old boy and his family deserve hell more than she does, $50.00 a month… ? That hardly buys diapers for 2 weeks! Get real!