This is 31-year old Barton Bagnes.
Barton Bagnes likes wearing diapers.
He also likes to expose himself, while wearing diapers, to children.
On the 22nd of June, 1999, the 5′3″ and 100-pound Barton Bagnes was convicted of exposing himself to two children, a boy and a girl.
On the 14th of July, 2000, Barton was again convicted of lewdness involving a child.
Neither of those convictions put Barton Bagnes in prison for any length of time. Barton was given probation and spent some time living in a halfway house.
Now he lives with his parents.
In February, Barton was charged with 11 counts of lewdness involving a child after he went on a diaper-exposing spree in his neighborhood. Barton would wander around, carrying a big bag full of diapers and asking kids if they wanted to see them. Regardless of what the kid said, Barton would pull his shirt up and his pants down to expose the diaper he was wearing.
On the 14th of August, 2008, Barton Bagnes walked into the Evergreen Rec Center in East Millcreek. After looking around for a while, Barton wandered over to a drinking fountain where three six-year-old children were lined up to get a drink. After pushing some of the children out of the way, Barton Bagnes pulled up his shirt and dropped his pants about halfway down his butt to expose his diaper to the kids.
The children were not impressed with Barton’s “Elmo” themed diapers.
An alert employee saw Barton in the act and called the cops, who arrested Mr. Bagnes and carted him off to jail.
Again.
This time, Barton has been charged with three counts of lewdness by a sex offender involving a child, which happens to be a third-degree felony.
According to Barton, he has never shown children his diaper and explains that the kids might be catching glimpses of it because he wears a fanny pack that makes his shirt ride up.
Authorities feel that this might be a lie, especially because Barton’s shirt hung down to mid-thigh when these exposures occurred.
Mari Bagnes, who loves her diapered, pedophiliac son, says that this is all an innocent mistake. Claiming that Barton Bagnes has dyslexia and that he was frequently bullied in school, Mari Bagnes urges people to be more open-minded about her troubled son:
Maybe his happiest times were when he was a child and so he has this fixation with children. His wearing of a diaper - that’s another problem, that’s a physical problem.
Yes. Yes it is.
Another physical problem is that sexual offenders such as this walk free on a day-to-day basis, gradually getting their courage up to do what they so desperately want to do. While we have to wait for the thousands of those people to make the news, People You’ll See In Hell will just make do with pointing out Mr. Bagnes here as a shining example of how our legal system does not work and how it does not protect us.
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Again, he should have called 1-603-413-4133
Fucking nut.
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I have said it so many times, we NEED the asylums reopened - it’s just that simple.
There he can be with others who either do the same or might actually be fascinated by such.
One day he may meet a 6 or 8 year old who is slightly retarded and because of such wears a diaper. At that point he may have the child’s sympathy and most retarded children have hearts of gold and as such do not understand evil. At that point he may want to compare his “wee-wee” with the childs and the rest I do not need to write about.
Children do not brag about diapers; by a certain age there is peer pressure to use the toilet like everyone else. Basicly this guy is a deviant. But Mommy and her ACLU atty will have us ALL wear diapers as to make her son feel normal. If such ever becomes true, then all men must masturbate 2 times a week before going to sleep as to help 13 year old boys feel normal.
THis guy looks and sounds like a cross between Napolean and Norman Bates.
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whiteiris reply on August 21st, 2008:
Ok, that analogy took me to a place I did not want to go. Wow. In this case I do not believe he was trying to make the kids feel comfortable? So where did that come from? This is just a ped trying to act like a nut as a cover. Backed by a nutty mother. I am so not trying to have the word ‘mother’ in every one of my comments. It just seems every f*#@ed up story comes back to “The Mother”. :o)
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Fred reply on August 21st, 2008:
While he may not be looking to pick up a kid right now, some child may give him sympathy which he may take wrong and arrousal may occur.
One thing leads to another and suddenly Mommy will be tryingto have us understand tha a case of molestation was all based on another mis-understanding.
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Amy reply on August 21st, 2008:
As a mum i understand the urge to protect your children and keep them from harm. But i am raising my children to understand that with their actions comes consequences.
How is this man ever going to learn right from wrong when mummy is always there telling him that its OK to wear his daiper. That its OK to flash kids and that its OK because mummy will cover up and protect him and make it all OK.
Surely she saw that there was SOMETHING WRONG with his actions. Could she have taken him to a doctor and gotten a referal to a psych? Surely that would be better than seeing him locked up for being a pedophile.
Trace reply on August 22nd, 2008:
Here Here, this guy needs to be locked up in an asylum for a good long time.
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Freaks go to Hell too!
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I don’t know about hell yet, but I pity this guy. Serious pity.
He needs to be in an environment where he can be treated and watched and protected from himself and others.
Think about it - not only is this guy a potential culprit, but he has VICTIM in blinking neon across his forehead. Some badass is going to run into this guy and severely fuck him up, just because he can.
Bagnes is a potential danger to others, but he is a current danger to himself. He needs to be in an institution.
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mari bagnes, i’m open minded about your son.
you need to be open minded as well.
your son is very very sick. your son enjoys wearing a diaper, fine. your son is a grown man. your son likes to feel good by disturbing children, very bad and illegal.
maybe he was happiest as a child. but maybe, just maybe, he enjoys having the freedom of being an adult, being able to drive around looking for children to fuck with, because they are pretty helpless and he gets off on being an adult and being in control. your adult son seeks out children. your adult son is very very sick and very disturbed. you can go on telling yourself that people are being harsh on your little man but the truth is that you are adding to his disturbed state by not making it clear to him that he is the one with the problem. mari, open your mind and eyes as well and get your self some help. stop enabling your son by pretending that upsetting children (god only knows where that is going to lead) is ok and that the world is a mean, bad place. the world is a mean, bad place because of your son and the likes. your son is a timebomb waiting to destroy a real child’s life. god only knows how you contributed to your son’s current state of mind. it seems to me you did a doozey on him.
an adult fixation on children = pedophile.
find him a shorty that’s an adult and is into the whole diaper thing. it’s called the internet, and it is full of freaks like your son.
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Mari Bagnes, who loves her diapered, pedophiliac son, Says that this is all an innocent mistake. Claiming that Barton Bagnes has dyslexia and that he was frequently bullied in school, Mari Bagnes urges people to be more open-minded about her troubled son:
“Maybe his happiest times were when he was a child and so he has this fixation with children. His wearing of a diaper - that’s another problem, that’s a physical problem.”
i Bagnes, who loves her diapered, pedophiliac son, Is a grade A certified moron. Being Italian on both sides of my family, no one probably understands family loyalty better than I do, but I tell what, if my kid was running around in a fucking baby diaper exposing himself to the neighborhood children, I’d have locked him in the wine celler and thrown away the key years ago. There’s a line where family loyalty end and responsibility to you friends and neighbors, and especially to their children. There’s absolutely nothing more important than that. My love for my son would pale in comparison and should. So with all due respect Mrs. Bagnes, up yours, and I hope that dyslexic child molester in waiting son of yours drops dead quickly and painfully. Like wouldn’t it be nice if the next time he decides to model his huggies, he runs into a whole bunch of MS13 on their way back from being bailed out of jail, and the cops just fucked them all up with Tazers and pepper spray before letting them go.
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Is there even a point in commenting on this bag o’ crazy? I mean the diaper of course. That thing is CHOCK FULL OF CRAZY. In both of his mugshots the weirdo had a creepy little smirk. “Oh yes. I’m too sexy for my Elmo diapers. They had to lock me up. Twice now. ME-owwww.” Ummmm, look Mama Diaper Freak, I doubt that the public’s…”openmindedness” is going to expand for your pedo-son’s poop-bag obsession. Sorry. :(
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I thought that dyslexia was a problem with the eyes not the arse. Silly me!
This guy is a few cans short of a six-pack. And so is his mum i think. Maybe for these people this sort of behaviour is normal, but for us everyday people it is WAY off the chart.
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jaded_hart reply on August 22nd, 2008:
See….poor idiot….can’t even get dyslexia right.
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By the time you’re 31 you don’t wear diapers and you don’t live with mommy, unless there are some serious issues. We all know this to be true.
I think this all started with mommy. Somehow she stunted his emotional growth.
Wearing diapers and playing you-show-me-yours-and-I’ll-show-you-mine ends pretty much when you’re 3. Mommy needs to let her little baby grow up. I’d be interested to see their house. Does he still sleep with his Big Bird blankie? Is she fixing him his Coco Puffs in the morning? Does she still give him a bath at nighty-nite time? Does he have to be in before the street lights come on? Just wondering why other kids picked on him. Did mommy stroke his hair and protect him when the mean kids picked on him? That’s what she’s doing now.
I think she’s the one that started all this, and I agree with Mazzi, I almost feel sorry for this little freak. He’s so emotionally fucked he’s a danger to himself and others. He needs to locked away somewhere safe, to protect himself and others.
Mommy, on the other hand, just needs to be shot. Why waste our time trying anything else.
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jaded_hart reply on August 22nd, 2008:
He needs to be cut off from his mom and receive professional help. Even then, I’d hedge my bets and pretty much count on him being institutionalized for the remainder of his stunted life. Unfortunately, that option isn’t really open to us anymore.
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Miwist reply on August 23rd, 2008:
I agree - it’s sad really - abuse takes many forms, I guess.
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FriendOfTheFamily reply on August 29th, 2008:
How can anyone sit there and judge this mother based on the comments of an irate blogger, who claims that she “says that this is all an innocent mistake” without bothering to check any facts? When has this woman ever been quoted as saying these words, or even making statements to that effect? Have the administrators of this site talked to or interviewed his mother- or any member of the family? Have they spoken to any of Barton’s seven siblings- all of whom turned out normal and now lead healthy, productive lives? Have any of you witnessed the regularly scheduled emotional drama, wherein these distraught parents beg, plead, cajole, and even threaten Barton into attending his psychological counseling? Has anyone heard even one of the many screaming matches that result when his mother confiscates his diapers, or searches his room, or reviews his web history? Did any of you watch his father suffer a heart attack and nearly die after making the stressful decision to turn in his son to the police? That’s right- it was his doting, ‘nutty’ parents who originally put Barton Bagnes behind bars, and got him on the sex-offender registry. Not vigilant childcare employees, not concerned neighbors, not Marcos Ortiz, the ‘crack investigative reporter who broke this story’, not even web-bloggers. It was his parents and siblings who first noticed Barton’s abberant behavior. It was the parents who insisted that he attend counseling. When the counseling didn’t work, it was the parents who contacted law enforcement. It is those same parents who have had the horrible court-ordered responsibilty of trying to keep a man on a leash who is completely unable to tell the difference between right and wrong. Believe me- they aren’t letting Barton stay with them for his sake- they want to keep an eye on him to protect other children from being victimized. What have these parents got for their troubles? A heart attack, reporters smearing their names on TV and the Internet, harassing phone calls and letters, repeated death threats, and a bunch of bloggers calling them “fucking morons”.
There is no doubt that Barton Bagnes needs to spende several years in prison. I have greater reason to hate him than any of you- my children have been his victims. But demonizing his parents based on one web blog is just plain wrong. You are condemning this mother to hell based on commentary by someone who, most likely, has never met his mother or father. Even if any of you have met the family, it’s clear that none of you have all of the facts straight. I would hope that if the situation was reversed, and that if Bagnes’ were judging any of you, that they would bother to find out all of the facts before casting judgement.
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whiteiris reply on August 29th, 2008:
What nightmare for them. Thanks for letting light shine on aspect we would have otherwise not known. As far as getting the facts straight about this guy, it is not something I was personally interested in knowing. Most of our comments are based off of emotions due to what other guys like Bagnes have done to children. I have no sympathy for him (no matter the circumstances). I believe if guys like this were locked up permanently (they can not be cured) kids would night die. And mother Bagnes could start moving on now and dealing with fact her son will never walk the streets again. You yourself see what she is going through with him out on the streets. It will never end, he will always be a nightmare waiting to happen. I hope her other SEVEN children are pitching in to help her. Nine people can get alot more accomplished then 2.
Mazzi reply on August 29th, 2008:
So you are disputing that his mother is sympathetic to him. And you are saying that the ABC news reporter who said this is lying? http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=4a290f8e-204b-4bdd-8594-6c5e9d00a868
Generally reporters tend to not say things that are libelous about citizens, since they can be sued. But I will hold a slight opening in my mind for the possibility that the reporter is lying and the parents are really pretty much OK.
What you are saying does sound like the way a normal family would react to having a freak son - but we have no proof of that either.
So I ask you, who would YOU be more likely to believe? A legitimate news organization, or a nameless poster on a message board?
This post is one of the weirdest I’ve read… This guy needs to be put away before he does any harm. I agree Mitwist- let’s shoot Mom. I think I despise enablers more than criminals. They are the ones making it okay in people’s minds to do this.
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Im never gonna be able to look at Elmo the same way.
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i actually feel a bit sorry for this guy and voted no. he didn’t rape kids, as far as i understand it, he didn’t even touch them, all he did was show his diaper, which means he’s a complete nut job in my book. he needs a place in an asylum or something simmilar, as i do fear he may cross the line and touch or even molest a kid.
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A bit sorry? Can you read? I believe Admin best explained that this is just the beginning for this guys like this. They are out in the world testing the water and pushing the limits of society “gradually getting their courage up to do what they so desperately want to do.” This is how little kids end up murdered. If you can’t totally see this guy kidnapping a kid then killing it so mother Bagnes does not find out then you might want to read some more articles on this site. I believe even Fred who had a more sensitive (realistic) opinion about this guy “being a danger to himself” also thinks he should go to hell! Better sooner then later. There is a difference between understanding someone and feeling sorry for them. You are either an enabler or a potential ped yourself if you feel sorry for that guy. Gross dude, I am sure he needs a good stable partner in crime why don’t you give him a call and see where you can lend a hand.
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DualDenz reply on August 22nd, 2008:
reading my whole tekst in stead of the first line would most likely have prevented you from making this comment. i think this guy can be a danger to children and needs to be put away, but untill he actually touched/molested/killed someone, i don’t think his actions are hell-worthy.
i mean, if we’re sending people to hell on what they *potentially* do wrong, we’ve got a few more people to go don’t you think?
you sir, are a dumbass.
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Mazzi reply on August 22nd, 2008:
That’s really harsh.
This guy is obviously not right in the head, and he needs to be put somewhere safe for himself and others.
I think everyone can see that there is a POTENTIAL for him to do something seriously bad, but until he does it, I don’t see how he is as hellworthy as you seem to.
So, if you think from that, that I, like DD, am “an enabler or a potential ped”, feel free to believe it. But you would be wrong. I just don’t believe in punishing people for things they haven’t done yet, especially when they are not mentally together.
IF this guy actually harms someone, then I will be first in line pressing the hell button. If he is hurt by someone else because he is a freak, then I will push the button for the other guy.
But he needs to be removed to someplace nice and quiet and safe before either of these things happen.
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Kenny reply on August 25th, 2008:
but that’s the thing…you can’t send someone to hell for what they MIGHT do. He is seriously twisted yes, he showed his diaper (which I don’t quite say is “exposing himself”) yes, that’s wacko…yes it is wrong, but that’s why we have jail and asylums. There are places where we can put him to keep him away if it is really too late for him. But I cannot vote hell for what he MIGHT do…
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Fred reply on August 25th, 2008:
As far as “pushing limits” go
What will a person have if you give them an inch 63360 times?
YOUR mile!
Both Norman Bates and Mommy Dearest need to be locked away from society for some time. An asylum would be the best place (said 1,000 times I know)
He’ll keep taking an inch here and there until he has crossed that mile line (molestation, rape, etc) with somebody as someone has stated he may not know right from wrong nor know limits thanks to his mother.
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Kenny reply on August 26th, 2008:
when he crosses that line, or even looks real hard at it…then he gets a trip to hell…but while he doesn’t know what’s right or wrong (I mean, he’s smiling in his mug shot) I can’t honestly say hell. It’s like an autistic kid, hugs and kills a puppy (sorry, the thought saddens me as well). Do you damn the kid or just not let them near any puppy’s again?
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or ma’m, whichever.
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Mazzi reply on August 22nd, 2008:
It’s either a “ma’am” or a fake ma’am. She thinks she’s on a sexblog (whatever THAT is - I avoid Internet+Sex myself). Go look in the hatemail section. *rolls eyes*.
She also thinks (I think) that we are all racists - hard to tell from her rambles.
And, I agree, DD - she does seem to be a dumbass.
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DualDenz reply on August 22nd, 2008:
thanks for the correction, my english is pretty damn good, but i’m not a native speaker and do mess up sometimes ;)
oh and thanks for the vote of confidence ^^
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Mazzi reply on August 22nd, 2008:
Heh - I didn’t know you weren’t an English-speaker. You do really well.
My husband is a German native, but his English is better than the majority of high-school graduates here. Most of his German friends have better English skills as well. It’s really rather sad.
(Und, ich spreche nicht sehr gut Deutsch).
DualDenz reply on August 22nd, 2008:
i’m Dutch mate, not German.
nice effort though :P
ik spreek wel goed Nederlands (en mijn Duits is ook niet slecht trouwens)
and another case for why laws allow us to putting people in asylums needs to be changed. This guy is a nutjob.
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Anyway. Like me or not. The guys still deserves hell. Feel sorry for him together all you want.
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Brace yourself I am about to ramble. — Obviously you do not get my sense of humor. Your loss. If I was into ’sex blogs’ I would not be hanging out with you freaks. That whole thing started when Admin completely avoided the question asking if he himself is a racist. I did not call ‘everyone’ a racist don’t flatter yourself. And I thought you were all right Mazzi until you teamed up with DualDenz. No thanks. Lastly, what’s up with the ma’am or fake ma’am crap. Who cares? I am whiteiris to you, deal with it. I like it here.
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Mazzi reply on August 22nd, 2008:
Yes ma’am,…sir…ma’am. *salutes*
(And, for the record, I would hardly consider it flattery to be called a racist. )
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An1mal reply on August 22nd, 2008:
how about you eat a great big cock sandwich, and stfu whitey!!! does it do you good knowing that you are the “world’s biggest douche bag”? Mazzi is golden here….you are merely poop stained.
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Mazzi reply on August 22nd, 2008:
Awwwww - you say the sweetest things!
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Bartons next mission was to cut a hole in the front part of the pamper to expose his cock. He was just building up the nerve.
Kudos for getting this perp off the streets.
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“This is 31-year old Barton Bagnes.
Barton Bagnes likes wearing diapers.
He also likes to expose himself, while wearing diapers, to children.”
That’s all I need to know….hell hell hell, fuck yeah hell!
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Ok Mazzi, I just read Dualdenz’s 1st comment and my reply and you my non-friend are trippin’. My response did not deserve your lashing. Please enlighten me on the name one child killer that did not have a little wrap sheet like this guy. And you expect me to stand back and let Dualdenz whimper over this guy and say he should be kept out of hell until he rapes or kills a child?
From reading your other comments your personality would have totally normally agreed with me on this one. So what is your deal? Angry with me? Why? Very well.
Reading news the regular way is boring and I don’t want to go. However since you are OG PYSIH I will leave….. If you can be honest with why you are completely wiggin’ out and trying to shut down a good time.
Am I really that freakin bad? Am I ? People of PYSIH do you think I should stay???? Or should I take my comments somewhere else? Admin this would be a good time for you to speak up. :o)
(Ps I am not a fucking sir, my email address that you obviously snooped is a cover so people I sell junk to on Craigslist don’t try to kill me. I am a counter active person, like I would have my “real” name as an email add. And ‘whiteiris’ is a beautiful flower (which I am into, not sex). It does not have a wierd fucking meaning that deserves to be called “whitey” (An1mal). As far as the rambling goes, it is how I unwind after a long day of caffiene. I am not the only one, my comments are nothing near some of the other rambles you accept around here. Ok I am done rambling now. Come on I need your response too Mazzi, should I stay? Or should I go?
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TurtleMania reply on August 23rd, 2008:
whiteiris, who really cares? We all agree to disagree.
I’d say stay and build your own fan club. Maybe on another POSbag post your friends will agree with you? This place is a roller coaster ride of ups and downs. Don’t take it personal.
You know, I danced naked in a bonfire ritual hoping new people would post here. I felt I was alone in this world sometimes always seeing my name plastered here. Its good to see this website moving nowadays.
You guys rock!
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Mazzi reply on August 23rd, 2008:
I’m sorry I hurt your feelings. But you basically called someone a potential pedophile because he has a different view than you. That was harsh.
Personally, I normally reserve insults like that to “collective” groups of people, not individuals. Or for the people who try to justify the behavior of such scumbags. You basically attacked someone because he felt differently about something that is complete fantasy anyway. (In case you didn’t catch it - we really don’t make the decisions on hell.)
I have no idea how to snoop on anything. I guess I could probably figure it out, but I DON’T CARE. I am not interested in poster drama. There is more than enough drama from these POS scumballs we talk about - there is no need to make more between the posters.
(what is OG? - I am clueless about messageboard abbreviations and stuff - sorry).
And, last but not least. Why do you care what I think at all? If you want to stay, stay. If you want to stay and attack other posters - stay and take the hits back yourself. If you want to lurk, lurk. I have nothing to do with this board, other than being a poster, and an occasional submitter.
But please, whatever you do - PLEASE don’t try and bring conflict and drama between the posters.
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It isn’t too hard to understand that it might be logical to yank a freak-a-deek off the streets before he/she actually harms someone and safely blanket them away in a nice cozy institution, rather than mandate jail/immediate hell for every whacko.
Given that due to certain political posturing in the 80’s, that can’t happen, as there isn’t any crazy-beds available anymore unless family members are willing to voluntarily admit them and foot the bill.
This can cause some conflict as to what might be the best thing to do in a no-win situation (no-win for the general public, that is)… but I’m guessing that calling down respected posters here might not be the best choice to make in this case.
Disagree all you want, but be respectful enough of this website to find out who’s who, and get a feel for the place before you start asking for referendums regarding other, more senior posters.
Just my opinions, of course.
c
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Mazzi reply on August 23rd, 2008:
I wonder if there is any way to get the institutions back? It would solve so many problems that we have now.
Prison is not the right place for these (so-far) relatively harmless freaks, but there is no good alternative. His mama’s house is obviously also not a good place.
Having community care is nowhere near effective, since they cannot regulate his environment other than whatever limited time he is in their care. The minute he leaves whatever counselling program or pill-distributing center, he is back out there on his own.
It certainly can’t be much more expensive to have mental institutions, versus jails. Probably way cheaper, since the staffing needs are not nearly as great.
One way or another, someone will be in jail because of diaper-boy. Either him, when he finally does something harmful, or someone who stomps his head for being a freak.
I would rather let him go somewhere safe, where he can wear his diapers and sit in the corner watching the dust rainbows, or whatever he likes to do, and save someone’s life.
I want to do something, but I just can’t figure out how to approach it. I am a follower in stuff like this - not a leader, but if there was someone out there who understood this stuff, and really was willing to jump into the fray, I would support them completely.
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whiteiris reply on August 23rd, 2008:
The only thing I have been able to come up with “To do” about guys like this is to stand out side Wal-Mart with the clipboards harassing people to sign. If things worked out a harsher law would make the ballot. And if things really worked out it would pass. This takes so much time I feel like I would really have to be retired to do something like this.
– OG is a gang term for Original Ganster, regular folk use is as slang to describe something that has been around for awhile. Anything OG should be respected. This is the 1st message board I have ever been on, so not big on the board slang myself. This term is known from the streets.
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Mazzi reply on August 23rd, 2008:
The sad fact though is that even if a law were to be passed, it would be shot down almost immediately by the courts. The US Supreme Court has stated it’s opinion that involuntary instutionalization is a violation of civil rights.
While, in theory, it might be possible to put a crack into the dam, it is very, very tough, and depends on getting a conservative SC seated. Which means that we need a conservative president (McCain’s a joke) and a conservative house and senate. And THEN we have to hope that a few judges die or retire during the administration. Even then, there is no guarantee that they will disrespect the previous court by reversing the tide. They have to really be psyched by the topic - like abortion.
That’s why nothing ever happens quickly when it comes to reversing stupid ass political/social concepts. It’s easy to implement them, and damned near impossible to stop the insanity.
Kenny reply on August 25th, 2008:
There are still a few, here is one
http://www.dhhs.state.nc.us/MHDDSAS/DIX/handbook.html
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Oh, and being accused of (gasp) being male is hardly an insult. My 10 year old son deals admirably despite being frequently misidentified as being a girl simply because he has hair down to the middle of his back.
There are many adult people who, although I cannot understand it, live as children and wear diapers. The majority of them do not have any attraction to children, as they consider themselves children. Being weird is not a criminal offense until it includes pedophile behaviour like this POS has exhibited. Even then, they can only be sent to jail if they commit an offense which warrants it legally, whether I like their behaviour, or think it’s only a precursor to eventual illegal offenses.
Getting mad at people who understand that is pointless. Getting mad at the system and figuring out some way to change it….. now that’s something to waste your time on.
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Rain dance huh? I was wondering why I was compelled to post for the 1st time after I had been reading for months. :o) And Glory bug, respectful is what I am. I did feel personally attacked and I obviously do not handle that type of thing well, especially when I do not understand why someone is offended.
I do go into “I’ll kick your ass mode” when it comes to any type of child case so I will probably never be empathetic. I do not have a background in criminal justice so I usually skip the analization of the big picture crap for these guys, I am much more a hang them from a tree type of gal before they harm anyone. The case that turned me that way was that mentally challenged man who buried that little girl alive with her pink unicorn 100 feet from her house. He kidnapped her from her room at night. He claimed to have the mind of a child however was adult enough to rape her for several days before burying her alive. Gives me the chills just thinking about it. I came here to post my comments to get feelings off of my chest obviously they are read by other people. I’ll keep that in mind. I am used to being the new kid and do not intimidate easlily, keep that in mind.
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TurtleMania reply on August 23rd, 2008:
“The case that turned me that way was that mentally challenged man who buried that little girl alive with her pink unicorn 100 feet from her house. He kidnapped her from her room at night.”
That would be 9 year-old Jessica Lunsford. I too was hit hard by that murder. It helped fuel the rage inside of me.
The guilty POSbag was John Evander Couey.
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Mazzi reply on August 23rd, 2008:
I think the case that started me on my quest for understanding horrible people was Ted Bundy. I never heard of him till after he was caught and Ann Rule came out with “The Stranger Beside Me” in 1980.
When I read it, I was right about the same age as most of his victims had been, (late teenager) and that book punched me in the gut.
Anyway, I think the most horrifying case recently was the Groene children, killed by Joseph Duncan (a registered sex offender). This guy is the classic case of a teenager who can never be fixed. He should never have been alive to get out of jail. What he did to those children was among the worst things ever. Worse than Jessica Lunsford, who died comparatively fast.
Duncan, after killing the entire Groene family, kidnapped the two little ones - a boy and a girl. He then raped, sodomized, and tortured the children for weeks. He videotaped it too. He forced the children to have sex with each other. And then, he killed and burned the boy, in front of the girl.
It really makes me question the entire universe, that there can be such sick beasts wandering among us.
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Wow, this guy was way worse. Even if just one part of this story happened he was still the worst I have heard of. Killing the family and successfully fleeing, raping the kids and filming it, burning the boy, they are all unimaginable. Does anyone know how many life sentences or what kind of charges he is facing? How did they catch this guy? Oh wait, is this the guy they caught in the restaraunt with the little girl?
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TurtleMania reply on August 23rd, 2008:
Off topic:
Yep. I was doing research on him a few minutes ago. His trial is ongoing. But we will hear more about it soon. I’m sure Mazzi can give you more details?
I still hurt regarding Jessica though. It pains me that Couey told her to stay quiet in his closet while he went to work for eight hours. And he buried her alive but she managed to poke a small hole in the garbage bag but not soon enough before she died holding that stuffed toy. *sigh*
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Mazzi reply on August 24th, 2008:
Mark Lunsford - Jessica’s dad, is an amazing guy. He is not well educated - a “common man” if you will, and he was (of course) the first suspect. Even so, he kept pushing and pushing the police, saying - go ahead and investigate me, but get your ass out there and find my kid!
He hates being in the spotlight, and yet, he has done so much to further child safety reform. And when Couey was in court, so was Mark Lunsford - staring that bastard down, eye-to-eye.
I can’t even begin to touch on all the things he has done, but he is a freaking HERO in my eyes.
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I know me too. Her picture was all over the press it was hard. Poor thing, she was just a kid. She did not know what to do. I am sure an adult was have thought of just running away while he was at work. She probably just kept thinking someone was going to rescue her any minute. That’s what I would have been thinking. “Ok any minute now… I am in here! Across the street. Save me!” OK now I am making it worse for us. Whoa.
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On an earlier note. Whoa Ted Bundy!!!! How scary. I could see how all the girls totally fell for it!! I don’t think I would have ( I pick up on stuff in people, really). Holy mary mother of god, I better pray because I feel like I just jinx myself. Wow, Ted does have quite the effect! “The Stranger Beside Me” huh. I’ll have to check it out. If I am up for a good scare. The crime novels/stories are pretty intense though. It is a good time of year for a thriller however.
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Mazzi reply on August 24th, 2008:
The Stranger Beside Me was written by Ann Rule. It was her very first crime book. (She’s probably written 25 since then).
She had volunteered at a rape crisis hotline with a young man by the name of Ted Bundy in Washington. No shit! And when it turned out that this guy was a serial killer, she was right there. He killed like 25 girls in the Washington, Utah, Oregon area, then was caught. Then he escaped and fled to Florida where he killed a dozen or so more.
Bundy liked teenage girls, with long brown/blonde hair. I was a teenage girl with long blonde hair. And, I had lived in Spokane for a short period when he was loose. No one even KNEW there was a serial killer! Seriously, I never heard a peep about it until after he was caught.
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It’s my worst fear. Running into a guy like that! I have lived across the street from a jogging trail for 3 years ( I can see it from my window) and have never stepped foot on it once because of guys like that! Or maybe just avoiding exercise (I’d like to think). When I was younger I would go any where, do anything. Walk in alleys, take rides from strangers, get drunk at parties. No fear. Then something changed. Nothing bad happened to me, but my perspective just changed. I used to be oblivious out there in the world. Now I (think) I am aware of my surroundings. Looking back I just thank god (figuratively speaking) that nothing happened to me. I try to make better decisions to prove I am thankful.
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Mazzi reply on August 24th, 2008:
Honestly, I have no real fear of guys like Bilbo Baggins here. He is a squirt. He is smaller than my daughter and I have no doubt I could wrastle him down and sit on him till the cops got there. (Of course, I am 5′11″, but even my shrimpo daughter at 5′5″ and 125 could take this guy).
If he did anything, it would almost certainly have to be to a child. But again, I am hionestly every bit as concerned for his safety as I am for the kids.
I am not exclusively a “child” protector. I want to protect EVERYONE who is vulnerable. Children, handicapped, old people - basically anyone who can not take care of themselves. And this little freak is quite squarely in that group.
IF he offends, I will have zero sympathy for him, but till then, I see him as a vulnerable potential victim.
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As far as fear goes, I meant guys like Ted Bundy. The ones that can kill anyone without mercy when you are least expecting it. Yeah I could totally kick the scrony peds butts, no doubt (if we can tell who they are, most of them are smarter then this guy). Sorry I did not set you up for that one, I was still stuck on Ted.
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If you let fear rule your life…where does that put you? You carry mace, or you license a handgun and you stand up for yourself. I live down the road from a jogging trail and I know theres been gang activity and about 4-6 months ago, a woman was attacked. I’m a guy obviously, but I don’t let that stop me from doing what I want to do. I tend to let fear sit on my shoulder like dandruff and brush it off as such. I refuse to let fear control my life and encourage others as well not to let it rule theirs. Once it does, then the ones you fear win.
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Thanks Kenny. That actually does help. I do not have real phobias fortunately. Just worst case senario fantasies that’s all. I believe they call this “anxiety”. And your right maybe I should try to hit the trail in kick ass mode. The perp would not be expecting that. The firearm has always been a great idea. The the worst case fantasy gets in the way. What if they take the gun away and shoots me? What if a kid finds the gun and kills himself? The list goes on buddy. That trail is looking more and more distant now. Easier said then done, right? Funny thing is I actually have a great aim. F.Y.I. peeps, I do not go for that medication bull shit. Just speaking for myself. I have seen it work wonder for other people (don’t get off yours :o) ). I just don’t think I need that kind of help. I am not even going to slide a “yet” in there. Any fear I have I will overcome on my own. Yes! Eye of the tiger is fading in. Du..du..du.du.du. Eye of the tiger!
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Amy reply on August 27th, 2008:
I did that for a long time, always looked at the worst case senario. Now i think that if some bad person is going to hurt me, then im going to be prepared and im going to get in a few hits myself. If im going to die im going to make sure i scratch the fucker and get DNA evidence under my finger nails.
Anyway, thats my irrevelant comment for the day….
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TurtleMania reply on August 27th, 2008:
That wouldn’t matter if you were set on fire.
Fear those that own crematories because they can make people disappear.
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Amy reply on August 27th, 2008:
Shit Turtle…now i feel all parinoid and anxious again ;p
TurtleMania reply on August 27th, 2008:
Oh Amy, please help me find a way to release frustration.
what a weirdo!
elmo diapars? lmao
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William Bigner reply on October 18th, 2008:
Really. Everyone knows that the Care Bears are way cooler.
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Miwist reply on October 18th, 2008:
Dora, Dora, Dora.
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