While 17-year-old Levi Johnston may seem like a good kid, People You’ll See In Hell is insightful enough to dig below the surface of this callow youth.
Levi Johnston lives in Wasilla, Alaska. The young man still lives with his parents while going to Wasilla High School as a Senior.
Despite his youth, Levi Johnston already has had several run-ins with the law. Alaska state troopers cited Levi on the 15th of July, 2007 for snagging a king salmon in the waters of Moose Creek - a creek which had been closed to king salmon fishing.
This flagrant display of disrespect towards the laws of the state of Alaska gives us a hint as to just how evil Levi Johnson really is, despite the fact that he somehow managed to make his $370 bail. And just how did Mr. Levi Johnston get that $370 anyways?
Probably by selling crack to 4-year-olds.
A bigger hint about the depths of this guy’s evil is that Levi Johnston was having sex with a girl who was just 4 years old at one point in her life.
Sure, she was 16 when Levi Johnston and his victim really started going at it, and yeah, the age of consent in Alaska is 16 - but come on, you know he totally pushed her into doing it.
Teenage girls in Alaska don’t want to have sex with ruggedly attractive older teenagers who play varsity hockey on the school team.
They don’t like it at all.
On his MySpace page, Levi Johnston freely admits his ignorance and his interest in randomly assaulting total strangers:
I’m a fuckin’ redneck, but I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin’ chillin’ I guess. Ya fuck with me I’ll kick ass.
According to the details on his MySpace page, Levi Johnston states:
Status: In a Relationship
Here for: Friends
Orientation: Straight
Hometown: WASILLA
Body type: 5′ 8″ / Athletic
Zodiac Sign: Taurus
Children: I don’t want kids
Education: High school
It’s especially interesting that Levi Johnston freely admits that he doesn’t want kids.
Mr. Johnston didn’t pay much attention to the condom/banana exhibition in health class evidently, as the teenage girl he was having sex with is now, according to media reports, pregnant.
Wonderful, isn’t it? Kids, having kids.
Making matters worse is the fact that Levi Johnston apparently feels that his staying around to “raise the baby” and “marry the girl” is going to make things better. Levi is a bit confused, you see. Life isn’t an afterschool special. You can’t just go off, have sex with your teenage girlfriend, get her pregnant, marry her and live happily ever after.
Of course, the mother of the child impregnated by Levi Johnston has announced that she’s supporting the couple with their selfish decision to get married and is not insisting on an abortion.
Joe Horn, that evil, evil man, would probably be happy to break bread with Levi Johnston.
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Could someone enlighten me? I’m a little confused about this story!
“Levi Johnston was having sex with a girl who was just 4 years old at one point in her life”. What?!
Has he been having sex with her since she was four years old? Or is it simply a crime to have once been four years old, and then to “really start going at it” at sixteen??
Someone help!!
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becky reply on September 2nd, 2008:
It’s a joke. You see, PYSIH’s admin is a very intelligent person, and his ass is especially smartish. And he’s not only a smart ass, but he has a sense of humor! You might want to look into getting one for yourself!
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Mazzi reply on September 2nd, 2008:
hmmmmm.. better a smartass than a dumbass, I always say.
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Max The Cat reply on September 2nd, 2008:
Words to live by *g*
Mageira reply on September 2nd, 2008:
I’m Australian and so am not quite as intimate with American politics as most of you (although I am vaguely aware of some of the details of this situation).
I plead ‘foreign’ as opposed to ‘dumbass’.
Mazzi reply on September 2nd, 2008:
Mageira - we weren’t insulting you, hun. We were insult.. *cough*… I mean.. discussing admin.
Do you know Amy? She is our resident Aussie - and she is a smartass =)
Anon reply on September 6th, 2008:
You’re a moron. It’s a joke. At one point in her life she was four. Learn to read asshole.
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J reply on October 3rd, 2008:
If you count something in years, everything is 4 years old at one point. Usually after 3 years old and before 5 years old. A clever written sentence by a good writer.
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Lemme guess. This is the guy that knocked up Bristol Palin, the daughter of the GOP VP candidate, Sarah Palin?
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GOSH! I hope im never in the postion where i have to have sex with a ruggedly goodlooking hockey player…..lying? who me?
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TurtleMania reply on September 2nd, 2008:
Oh. Oh my…
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Max The Cat reply on September 2nd, 2008:
rotflmao!
You’re best comment by far Amy, and you’ve had some good ones. Three cheers for The Land Down Under!
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Um, ok. I’m guessing that April Fools Day comes in September in Alaska?
Because otherwise I’m not getting any hint of what the crime was here. Impregnating ‘legal’ aged girls obviously doesn’t qualify even if it’s morally repugnant.
I must admit I’m shocked, I mean outraged, that he illegally killed a salmon he wasn’t supposed to. And I mean that seriously. But that’s just because I’m a vegetarian and am shocked/outraged anytime anyone kills an animal for sport. Because it’s unintelligent. And regardless of the 5% who claim sustenance and utilitarianism, the other 95% is just wasteful and cruel. So yes. Hell for him for killing a salmon when he shouldn’t have.
But all the knocking up the legal 16 year old? Not so much. I vote for a conviction of lechery and lack of morals. I think that’s a crime, but then again, I’m, a vegetarian, so what do I know?
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admin - But she was 4 years old at one point in her life!
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Ha ha ha ha ha! Admin, you’re TOO funny!
admin - We love you too.
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Bob Saget is confused. Was this guy banging a 4 year old? If so he will burn in hell. What a world.
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Hahahaha Admin! That was very funny.
And for anyone who doesn’t get it - Levi is the father-to-be of Bristol Palin’s baby.
I feel so horrible for these people. The press is completely unethical for the way that they have handled everything about Sarah Palin’s vice presidental nomination. To her credit, if this is the worst they can come up with (a teen pregnancy and a 20 year old dui) then we should all be impressed.
No matter what you think of Rebublicans, McCain, Palin, or poliitcs in general, you have to admit that the media has displayed the nastiest, vilest side of themselves in their covereage the last few days. It’s a new low.
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Bob Saget reply on September 2nd, 2008:
OKAY… Bob Saget is not confused anymore. Yes it is low that they (media) would drag this type of muck in the arena.
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What? I’ve had sex with people who were four before. I figure it’s okay as long as I stay away from people who haven’t been four yet.
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Joe Horn is my hero.
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I had to go and read another blogger about the Sarah Palin/Bristol semi-scandal to make sense out of this one.
I have to say, I don’t think this guy is husband material. All he wants to do is play hockey, let him. Republicans can be single moms is well.
Now, if it turns out there’s any truth to that story about Sarah actually being the grandmother to her youngest instead of the mom, that would be a scandal. (Pretending to be the mom of your grandchild? So 1950’s.)
admin - There is no 17-year-old boy who is husband material. You roll the dice and take your chance.
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Mazzi reply on September 2nd, 2008:
Dont forget the uber-nasty rumor that even MSNBC would not quite report (though they came perilously close). The sicktards initially were saying that Trig was not only Bristol’s child, but that she had been impregnated by her DAD (Sarah’s husband) which is why the baby has Downs!
The worst part is that it’s the MEDIA (or at least the fringe-media-wanna-be’s) who are making this crap up and then “reporting” it as if it was news!
I am spitting mad about this. Can we PLEASE vote for hell for all of the mainstream media people? Pretty please?
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jaded_hart reply on September 2nd, 2008:
Older women have a much higher chance of having a baby with Downs. i would be surprised if the baby was in fact her daughter’s.
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amanda reply on September 2nd, 2008:
That’s very true. Younger women do sometimes have Down’s babies, but the chances of it happening go up as the mother ages. My bio prof said that was because younger women are more likely to miscarry a fetus with that condition than an older one.
Taz reply on November 2nd, 2008:
Its also because a womans is born with all her eggs and the body saves all the funky eggs til last.
Well, I have everyone beat, since I’ve had sex with people who have been at least four years old ten times over in their lives.
Maybe that makes me 10x as bad?
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Fred reply on September 9th, 2008:
Let’s see how eveil I am.
I have had sex with 9 women who at one time in their life were 2 years old, and additionally I have removed the bras off many more women ( so I could breast feed) who, at one point in their life were just a mere 1 year old!
I have stepped on multiple innocent ants on public property….. Killed multiple mosquitoes on public property as well, even a few at a state park.
Oh when I was 28 I got a girl pregnant…
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What kind of nasty little cretin enjoys shooting shit? When I was his age we would shoot soda pop bottles and tin cans, but never shit. That’s just gross. And to brag about it on myspace? EEEWWW!!!
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Amy reply on September 3rd, 2008:
LOL. Thanks Miwist.I just got the worst visual picture in my head then…SPLAT!
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I think this will make a WODERFUL story book ending! I predict that young Levi will be a fine strapping husband who has multiple affairs and more “scandals” to come! Mommy will be a mini van driving soccer mom and all will live happily in there mortgaged suburban home surrounded by their parents who all make a picture perfect family on the outside! YEAH for them :)
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Miwist reply on September 2nd, 2008:
I don’t know about this. The kid plays hockey. This fact alone, obviously means he’s a Canadian. This is a sinister plot by the Canadians to have the father of the granddaughter of the woman that is only one heartbeat away being president within a stones throw of the White House. This child gives those evil bastard Canucks direct access to the Oval Office.
You can say ‘ciao’ to the English/Spanish/Ebonics language that binds our Great Nation together. Hope you don’t mind ordering your Big Mac in French, eh.
The only hope we have now is for people to vote for that nice, articulate negro - Osama, or whatever his name is.
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whiteiris reply on September 3rd, 2008:
Why he gotsta be a negro? How about just “smarter then the other guy”? You have more in common with Obama then you do Mccain quit trying to be something your not. What a waste of fucking time. This country wastes alot of fucking time because of thoughts like that.
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TurtleMania reply on September 3rd, 2008:
Yeah dude chillout. I bet Obama will save you more in taxes unless you are uber rich making millions of dough.
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Danielle reply on September 5th, 2008:
Welcome to my gmail status, Miwist. And I know you’re not trying to say you love the knee-grows, you’re trying to say you hate the Canadians. Damn them!
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Fred reply on September 9th, 2008:
The name is Barack Hussien Oboma — oops I said HIS middle name, and by doing so I am racist.
When BHO does not get enough money from the millionaires, he’ll redefine “rich” to the point that it becomes anyone who does not get their money from the government.
The only people he’s going to save are those who use welfare as a hammock rather than the safety net it was intended to be.
Barack is Big Brother; McCain said it simply when hwe told poeple to consider becoming … a teacher, a preacher… McCain knows that it takes Americans to make America better, not government. Oboma is nothing more than a better looking Jimmy Carter - one of the dumbest fucks to ever be in the White House as a tenant.
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Hey, someone make sure these idiots feed the baby!!!!!!
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sickened reply on September 2nd, 2008:
We’ll just have them give Terri & Scott Sullivan a call on how to do that! LOL :)
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WHY O WHY did you not say (whilst telling this story) that this is the guy who is going to hell in a hand basket if he doesn’t marry Bristol Palin? UGH. You missed the chance! BTW…don’t think he’s gonna end up marrying her - the election will be over by the time she drops her load. Plus i’d bet my granny’s shit bucket they’re either paying him or threatening him in some way at this time. WHAT MORONS.
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Mazzi reply on September 3rd, 2008:
hah. You probably didn’t see him at the RNC. He looks overwhelmed, but he was holding Bristol’s hand and they both seemed pretty happy.
My Bro-in-law and his wife married when they were 17 and 16 - and they were happy till the day he died - 40 years and 3 kids later.
For these kids, the values are there, and the family support is there; there is a good shot that they could make it.
I hope they do, and I have a damned good feeling that we will never see either of them on PYSIH for killing a kid.
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Amy reply on September 3rd, 2008:
Hey i wish them all the luck in the world. Is isnt easy raising children at any age. I think that your right though Mazzi, they do have all the support networks in place. Hopefully they will make it work and end up like you in laws.
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I am glad someone finally brought up politics. Because…we need change in this country as we talk about here on this site all the time. Don’t be hypocrites. Look deep. Just please ask yourself who can do that for us. We can go with the same old shit. Or we can try someone new “who doesn’t have any fucking experience in major politics” and maybe he will do what us normal people do. Care!
Because the contrary has nothing in fucking common with rest of us. Scared of that same old shit! I am going for change. No matter the risk! Peace.
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Fred reply on September 9th, 2008:
Ossamma is more honest and less discriminatory than Oboma.
At leat Ossamma hates us all, Oboma is a socialist who already considers it “hate speech” if I say HIS middle name.
Oboma is nothing more than a Ken doll with a little more color.
Pull down his pants - he’s dickless, rip off his head it’s empty.
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Belle reply on September 13th, 2008:
I personally think Politics in general is a farce, and the real puppet masters are hiding behind the scenes, but I will say Obama has made it clear that he will sell out anyone to get the presidency, and also that he is more for the typical Rich White guy than he would ever be for the African American population. I honestly think it’s just a sham, to fool people into thinking they matter, the results have already be decided. Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist, but it seems to obvious to me that the “powers that be” want McCain in office. JMT.
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Lighten up people. As someone who writes for this website, if we don’t post a good cheek in tounge article once in a while everyone will go nuts. Everyone can be assured that writing about people who rape actual four year olds, people that murder other people for the hell of it etc does get to you.
Having an article like this one helps lighten the mood up. In some states he would be considred a criminal but in my book… It is moral? No,but teenagers have been having sex for centuries and to put them alongside pedophiles and rapists is a complete waste of the law. I want to know about the person who is a danger to children, not a 16 or 17 year old kid that had sex with his 16 or 15 year old girlfriend.
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You want to lighten the mood?
Post about a tranny that goes nuts with a handgun or a guy that likes to dress in woman’s clothing. Things like that would be a good break from the norm.
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the Palin story, no? read about it in the paper, great to hear mother Palin is a “pro lifer”
i’m pro life too, pro my own life that is…..
i wonder if this kid’s somehow going to be forced into this marriage.
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TurtleMania reply on September 3rd, 2008:
He got lucky. That girl is pretty and he will be rich. Everything from here on is covered for him.
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“Mr. Johnston didn’t pay much attention to the condom/banana exhibition in health class evidently”
But there are no more condom/banana demonstrations. W. withholds funding from any school that doesn’t teach and “Abstinence Only” curriculum.
For good information, teens now have to watch Sue Johanson on Oxygen. http://talksexwithsue.com/index2.html
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17 or not, that kid is HOT! He can implant his little swimmers in my gynie anyday.
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TurtleMania reply on September 3rd, 2008:
WOW! Can I watch?
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diana reply on September 3rd, 2008:
Holy crap, your gynie?! Nice.
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Sherry reply on September 4th, 2008:
Thank you… it’s my new favorite word. =)
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He impregnated the 17 year old daughter of our (possible) future Vice President, Sarah Palin. PYSIH is having fun with us. :)
admin - We’d never do that. We pride ourselves on being a serious news source. Yup, serious news - that’s People You’ll See In Hell!
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Max The Cat reply on September 5th, 2008:
admin, you dirty dog *laugh*. Wish I could say I got it early, but you got me.
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sara palins new son in law…?lol
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it dont matter no way.. soon russia will take over the rest of Georgia, and then its on to the crimean in ukraine. then ALASKA baby!!! stop worrying about the 17 year old pumping you friom behind and start worrying about the russians doing it! just taking back whats ours!
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Max The Cat reply on September 5th, 2008:
Pushpin! You’re an expert on foreign affairs too? You ARE the fucking bomb, aren’t you?
Putz
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Fred reply on September 9th, 2008:
I hope that we kept the receipt when we purchaed Alaska!
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Mr. Johnston didn’t pay much attention to the condom/banana exhibition in health class evidently, as the teenage girl he was having sex with is now, according to media reports, pregnant.
To be perfectly fair, Governor Palin of Alaska, the mother of the 16-year-old, campaigned for and insured Abstinence only sex-education programs. There were no Banana exercises. My guess is if he had a Condom, he chewed on it while he did the deed.
Nebs
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TurtleMania reply on September 4th, 2008:
Palin supports “abstinance only” sex education. And Palin slashed funding for teen mothers. She’s voiced strong opposition to “explicit sex ed”. She now knows first-hand that an abstinance only plan is a total farce.
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Jason reply on September 5th, 2008:
That would imply that she accepted that it was her decision that was wrong, and she hasn’t. That’s the problem with voting for people who believe they are “Elect” in God’s grace, they claim every decision they make, right or wrong is God’s will, and as such needs no apology or change based upon rational reason or introspection. It’s a rejection of guilt and moral authority by claiming they are circumspect of any evaluation process.
Do as I say, not as I do, but even worse, if I do it, it’s right, but if you do it, you’re Satan’s seed and must be expunged.
They should classify this as the institutional Insanity it is and lock them all up, before they try to lead wagon trains west; states or nations over cliffs, into polygamy or into foreign wars.
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Amy reply on September 5th, 2008:
Geez…this really went from a light hearted rib tickler of a tale to a political debate in no time at all.
Scroll back up to comment number 17 and take a chill pill…
Jason reply on September 5th, 2008:
Amy, half the fun with this article for me is the irony that Governor Palin’s daughter probably wouldn’t have been in this situation if she’d had a healthy conversation about the pill or condoms with her young daughter.
Teenagers have sex! Teenagers have been having sex since we started having teenagers. The sooner that we remind religious nutjobs like Palin of this, the fewer of their accidents we have to see aborted, left in dumpsters, or worse.
I wish the two, all of the luck in the world.
Its been a long time since i was in high school ( im 34 ) and we did not get to do the condom/banana thing! I feel like ive been deprived of a truely magical moment in life….
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I got pregnant at 16…i dont think he deserves hell….if he didnt have a condom and she didnt have a condom…and she was sexually active…she should have been on birth control… its a lesson learned from them both…you make your bed..you lay in it…being a teen mom is hard and assuming he wont stick around she will have it tough…i wish the girlfriend luck with this…she’s gonna need it
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Levi Johnston, like everyone was born a sinner, and subject to all of the temptations we inherit from Adam and Eve. He, like any of us, who accepts Chrsit as his personal Savior will never spend one day in hell no matter what he does. Many men and women who have murdered babies in the womb or people who have survived many years can be saved by the precious Blood of Jesus Christ and His Death on the Cross. Levi, as a Christian, I love you and am praying for you. John 3: 16
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TurtleMania reply on September 4th, 2008:
What happens if I don’t accept Christ?
Will I go to hell?
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Max The Cat reply on September 5th, 2008:
That, or you have to work in the Post Office.
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hollablonde reply on September 9th, 2008:
Only up to God.
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Max The Cat reply on September 5th, 2008:
You’re not a Christian Rocky, you’re a born again elitist. Now go back and reread the New Testament, and this time don’t just skim over the parts where Jesus teaches about tolerance, and not being judgmental, and loving your neighbor (and not the way you “love” Levi. “Loving” him til he accepts Christ is kinds creepy if you ask me). I know that I’m no better than you, I judge the perps here every day, but I don’t run my mouth claiming to be something I’m really only a shadow of.
Shadow Christians….hmmm, I like it *laugh*.
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Amy reply on September 6th, 2008:
The bible says that those repenting and asking for forgiveness with be forgiven…it also saysin Exodus “that by no means will he give exemption from punishment for error” so yeah, even God has his limits…
not that i think that Levi here has committed such a great crime.,,hell if i was 16 i would have committed the crime with him…maybe the mum needs to brush up on her safe sex lessons though.Abstinence works as well as the withdrawal method, which in effect is not at all!
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Miwist reply on September 7th, 2008:
Last Sunday I went to this thing called “99″ that these God people were doing. Some fat chick insisted I could only be saved by praying with her. Fuck that, I don’t do nothing that involves fat chicks.
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Amy reply on September 7th, 2008:
ROTFL! Funny fucker aint ya!!!
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Max The Cat reply on September 8th, 2008:
LoL…
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Look at the stories on this site…we are ALREADY in hell…
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Thank you. Hell is already here.
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Hey, when is the administrator going to put George W. Bush’s face on this site? I mean, for being responsible for thousands of deaths of our soliders and innocent civilians in Iraq?
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peel the banana.
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Our momma can beat your Obama!!! Alaska girls rock! I know Sarah personally and saw her pregnant, Trig is her son. If I was Sarah and knew that Bristal was pregnant, I may have not accepted McCain’s invitation to protect my daughter from the press. Sarah is a great governor, so I feel she will be an excellent VP.
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Jason reply on September 6th, 2008:
Meet Obama first, talk to him awhile and remember this guy’s been swimming in a larger pond than Sarah, and excelled. Alaska represents 0.22% of the US population, but nearly a 1/6th of our total land mass (Alaska is = to 1/5 the size of the 48 United States, so if you count the territories and the Islands, I’m a little off here), and while prosperous and profitable, the complexities of representing a State with say 4.28% of the US population(Illinois) which has 20 times as many people, and still somehow manages to have a lower crime rate per capita in most areas than Alaska(Murder is a notable exception though, Alaska commits a few less murders per capita), but Larceny Theft is insane by the numbers. Give Obama the same benefit you give your neighbor Sarah, meet him, ask him a few questions and see what he’s like, and the other 99.78% of the US population might do the same for your friend Sarah.
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Unfortunately, I have a very small chance of ever personally meeting Mr. Obama. But I do personally know Mrs. Palin, and I like her. She has been an excellent governor, with a 80% approval rating. She is a no nonsense person, who tells it like it is and is not afraid to take on the system. Just because she comes from such a small population base is a lousy agruement. We are all individuals and the best person should get the job, whether they are from New York City or Wasilla, Alaska. If Obama would meet with me, I would be very happy to meet him with an open mind. Unfortunately, the only thing I will ever have to go on is the media and his speech writers. Sarah is a honest, hard-working, ethical, Christian person. I am proud that I do not have to rely on speech writers or the media to make this claim. As an Alaskan, I am disappointed that we may have to lose her to the rest of the nation. But if she can do for the nation what she has done for Alaska in a short period of time, then it would be very selfish and self serving to keep her here. If McCain/Palin lose, we will be more than happy to have her back. But I think the seed is planted and you will see her again in 4 years. I believe the nation has met its first female President, and it ain’t Hillary.
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Mazzi reply on September 6th, 2008:
Hi Heather!
My ex-hubby’s wife is from Wasilla, and she has the same great things to say about Gov. Palin.
She remembers when Sarah Palin was running for mayor and how she would take her kids and go into every store, shop and restaurant in town campaigning.
If she says Sarah is “good people”, I believe her, but even before we talked about it, I kind of knew Sarah was special. It radiated off of her in ever interview I saw, and blew me away at the introduction speech. And then the RNC. Wow!
I can’t explain “it” but Sarah Palin has it and I think that millions of people recognize that instinctively.
(I say that she reminds me of me, if I wasn’t too lazy to actually do anything productive =P)
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Jason reply on September 7th, 2008:
The population argument was more a sense of exposure. Palin’s political experience comes from places in which she can meet everyone, and thus address their problems. There are upwards of 300 million Americans, and she can’t meet us, nor is she willing to break bread with those who are not of her faith (the overwhelming majority are not Pentecostal, and in fact do believe in something other than Joel’s beliefs). She patently rejects science, something for which 65% of American Wealth is currently gleaned from, and in the same way we cannot have an Amish Vice President or President, we cannot have someone who rejects the basic principles that allow us to advance the sciences(including political science) in a position of power again–nor can we have a president ignorant of History and the law as Sarah’s comments in public so obviously represent. If you lived in a city with a population greater than all of Alaska, perhaps you could see where this is coming from.
Abstinence only failed in the middle ages as well as it did for her daughter. There has been no time in which abstinence only sexual education programs managed to prevent teen pregnancies. Some teenagers will have sex, this is a lot more simplistic lesson to be learned than the even more important lesson that “under God” was added to the Pledge of Allegiance on February 8, 1954, not by our founding fathers.
She doesn’t understand that human involvement has led to global warming and worst of all, she’s not willing to listen or capable of understanding the observable facts collected that say otherwise.
The people we simply like, don’t make good leaders, else the Football Quarterback and the Head cheerleader would not only win the homecoming dance, but would be chosen as all of our Governors and Presidents. If you’re basing your judgment solely on the fact you know Governor Palin, then you should as a responsible citizen seek to meet Obama, so you can know him in a context available to judge his skills and capacities, else your judgment is not made on the rational decisions we need to found a series of solutions for our problems, but on mere proximity.
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Amy reply on September 7th, 2008:
Hey, i’m likeable ( or so i’m told ) Vote Amy For President! ( does it matter that i’m an Aussie?)…….
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Jason reply on September 7th, 2008:
Either we change the Constitution or we admit Australia to the Union….
Either way someone is going to be pretty angry about it.
Mazzi reply on September 7th, 2008:
Palin has never said that she wants abstinance-only programs taught in schools. Neither has she ever said that she wants creationism-only programs taught in schools.
I think her stance is that because the population is kind of split on both of these topics, we should teach both sides of the issues. She may personally believe in abstinance and creationism, but she seems to respect other people’s rights to believe the opposite.
It seems to me to be a practical way to deal with the issue. Rather than pissing off half the population by demanding that they believe whatever the “popular” idea is - just teach it all.
Personally, I don’t believe the bible, but I don’t believe the scientists either. I don’t know how we came to be, and I don’t care. And I would be offended if either POV was shoved down my throat.
As far as abstinance - what’s wrong with giving that advice first? “The number one way to prevent pregnancy and STD is by not fucking. Duuuuh. But, if you are gonna fuck - you should use a condom…”
I guarantee you that every scumball neglectful, abusive, parent highlighted on PYSIH was taught sex ed if they went to public school in the US. Maybe someone should have told them to just NOT fuck. One simple instruction.
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Jason reply on September 7th, 2008:
“Palin has never said that she wants abstinance-only programs taught in schools.”
Actually it was one of her campaign promises that she kept. She believes in Abstinence Only, she refuses the discussion of any and all contraceptive methods to students in Alaskan education. It’s the same methodology that’s failed the Catholic Church for 1700+ years.
“population is kind of split on both of these topics”
The Earth is spherical, not flat, the Sun is the center of our solar system, and the Earth took more than 144 hours(6 days) to “make”. I admit we need to clearly label our facts versus our theories, but in no way shape or form should any educational institution teach that the world was created in 6 days and receive any federal or state funding. I don’t want intelligent design in the classrooms and they don’t want the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster added in protest with equal time. There is zero proof in Intelligent design, every single piece has been discounted, from the photo of the croco–duck to the Banana being a hand held delivery tool for food.
If you want to reject science, there’s a place for you. You can join the Amish, but Science is by definition not a religion but a way of questioning the world so that you can solve problems. I survived pneumonia 3 times in my life thanks to Antibiotics. I survived a Brown Recluse spider bite thanks to surgery and anti-leprotic drugs. My mother defeated Cancer twice, thanks to surgery and medication. These are not the products of religion, they are the products of reasoned debate on scientific principles bringing forth new evidence for the best possible treatments for each disease.
The US is graduating fewer Engineers, Doctors, Nurses and Scientists per capita than we have in the past. They are disciplined endeavors that require a firm understanding of science. This website requires roughly a tenth of a second from over 90 Engineers and technicians simply to be maintained in a given year, based off of the requirements of maintaining the “magic” technology that makes it possible to view the Internet. If you doubt Science, then doubt every modern technology you possess today, from your cell phone to the synthetic fibers that you have in your clothes, but make no mistake, that an embrace of Intelligent Design leads to a break down of science, and a fundamental break with reality that costs people valuable minds in efforts ranging from the lifesaving to the merely pedantic.
Creationsitic beliefs lead people to continuously believe that Abstinence only Sexual Education programs actually help, when the facts and figures clearly show it is failing everywhere it is used.
Mazzi reply on September 7th, 2008:
I stand corrected. Palin did say that she is against explicit sex education programs, but she never made any move to enact legislation for abstinence-only, even though she was in the position to do so, and had the public support. AK public schools get the condom/banana trick and full discussions on sex toys.
This is not the place to be arguing science vs. religion, so I just erased about three paragraphs of stuff I had written. =P
As far as abstinence - we have just established that Bristol Palin was taught explicit sex education (through the AK public schools). She is pregnant now. So, exactly how does that prove that abstinence-only programs don’t work? If anything, it kind of shows that maybe explicit sex-education in school overrides whatever abstinence the parents teach at home.
Jason reply on September 8th, 2008:
The Wasilla High School website gives zero information about their sex education program, nor does the Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District.
Principal Dwight Probasco, Wasilla High School’s curriculum teaches abstinence education, although it is not abstinence-only. The school is prohibited from distributing contraception. (wikipedia entry).
The proof for Abstinence only sex education programs being a total failure comes from 1700 years of Catholic History; Sarah Palin’s failings at home, educating her daughter on sex, the consequences of unprotected sex and the outcomes are apparent in her current pregnancy–not necessarily the school’s failings in providing any demonstration.
Palin(as she should) has refused comment on whether or not she signed a waiver to prevent her child from seeing any demonstration in the sex education class.
Mazzi reply on September 8th, 2008:
Palin seems to care more what her constituents think, rather than pressing her own ideas on others.
And, frankly, Jason - it is none of our business whether she waived sex education for her child. Really - that’s a personal issue that has no bearing on her governing abilities. It is as inappropriate to ask her as it was for the media hacks who asked if Gov. Palin would take a DNA test to prove that the baby is hers.
However, I would suspect that she did not waive Bristol out iof the classes. Below is a LA Times article from yesterday, that explains her position - abstinence and contraception, but not explicit sex topics.
“In a widely quoted 2006 survey she answered during her gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself “pro-contraception” and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools alongside abstinence.
“I’m pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues,” she said during a debate in Juneau.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story
Jason reply on September 8th, 2008:
An excellent article, the first I’ve heard of it, and I’m willing to admit I was wrong. I’m trying to find a radio transcript of the program for another list(far more political) do you by chance you where it can be found?
Mazzi reply on September 8th, 2008:
Try this one. There is an 8/17 debate listed here, but I don’t have time to listen to it right now. http://www.ktoo.org/gavel/
As long as we are talking Palin though, there are a few important things - trash flying around the internet that is not true at all - first Palin never banned any books at the library. Nor did she fire the Librarian. The story got started because, after Palin took office, she asked the Librarian IF there was a policy for banning books. Period. The Librarian said no - we don’t do that.. and Palin said.. OK-cool. That’s it. Seriously. The Librarian and everyone at the meeting confirms it.
And the second thing is the “troopergate” thing. I assume you know about it, and I have 3 things to say about it. 1) the guy who was fired says Palin never asked/told/requested or indicated that she wanted her ex-bro-in-law fired. 2) The whole allegation was started by Palin’s political enemies, so Palin demanded an investigation to clear her name, and 3) If Palin had fired him because of the bro-in-law (who tazed his own KID!!) then why is the ex-BIL still an AK trooper? Why didn’t his replacement immediately fire the trooper?
OK - I am not endorsing anyone here, but I am sick and tired of seeing bullshit lies all around, so I figured I would take the opportunity to say I think it’s terribly unfair. If palin did bad stuff, then lets hear it - but the media is making shit up and twisting stuff way out of proportion.
/steps off soapbox
The story is comically misleading to say Levi had sex with a woman that was 4 years old at one point in her life, WTF we were all 4 years old at some point in our lives.
Do we have any proof of Levi selling crack?
Fishing illegally or not deserves hell.
As for saying he doesn’t want children, I wonder what you would have said of the same question when you were 17, People make mistakes and it sounds like Levi is rising to the challenge of life and doing the right thing, marring the woman he loves and sharing the work and joy of razing a child, yet you want to put him in hell for this oh ya and steeling fish.
Who wrote this story and why are you making up lies and lambasting a teenager who has done nothing to warrant you bullshit? In my opinion the writer of this story should be in hell for being such a dumb ass MF!
BTW – I’m not voting for McCain
Admin respond to me!
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Amy reply on September 7th, 2008:
Erm…did you not read the comments that others made before you posted your thoughts?
This was meant as a joke…….
Yes, admin has a sense of humour…….
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Max The Cat reply on September 7th, 2008:
MrE, I expected a lot better from you man. You kind of sound like Susan Sarandon in this post. You know what I mean bro, don’t you - Heart in the right place but head planted squarely in her ass. This is just admin having a good time with us, and to be honest I got got at first about the Palin collection, but I still thought it was funny. Nobody honestly thinks Levi deserves Hell. And personally I’m kind of offended by you trying to turn this silly little story into some kind of political flame war. So please MrE, lighten up my friend.
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BTW- Impeach BUSH!!
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Max this story is a political issue regardless of the slant; as for it being a joke how is one to tell, the premise of this site is not humor, sorry if I offended you or others with my rant.
I have a suggestion for your next humorous story, the holocaust I’m sure everyone will have a great laugh.
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Max The Cat reply on September 7th, 2008:
Are you serious buddy. I always felt this place was all about humor, especially sarcasm and irony. That’s the spirit that this story was written in. Sure, we vent our anger here too, but it’s the laughs that keep me comin’ back. I can go anywhere and feel bad, but there’s very few places left where I can go to feel good. This is one of them. There are some really smart, funny people commenting every day at PYSIH.
On the other hand, if I want my politics with a hard left liberal crackpot slant, I can watch MSNBC, and if I want a right wing fascist crackpot stance, I can always switch the channel to Fox News. So you see, If I want to watch people politicize an innocent story, I’m all set. Your stuff ends up coming across to me as a bit redundant.
By the way, even the Jews find some humor in the worst of situations. It’s a survival mechanism that people who’ve been through terrible emotional trauma develop to keep from going insane. You should try it sometime bro…I highly recommend it.
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Amy reply on September 8th, 2008:
Now that was a really pathetic thing to say MrEthiopian….
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Max, lets clarify some shat, I don’t consider any MSM news including MSNBC anything but a propaganda tool for our current administration. If I were to have picked a worthy news organization for the right and left I would say RawStory.com or whatreallyhappened.com and for the left and on the extreme right I would go with Rightwingnews.com.
So you think that rape and murder is funny, you my friend have a sick sense of humor.
BTW I am a jew.
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Max The Cat reply on September 7th, 2008:
Jesus, you really don’t get it, do you man? Did you forget your Xanax today or something , because you seem a little TENSE. Sorry, but it’s hard for me to take folks like you seriously. Blame it on a flaw in my character.
DONE!!!
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Mazzi reply on September 8th, 2008:
Max - I am a Jew (by heritage - not beliefs) and I joke about sneezing nickles and stuff. It’s just a question of how people process humor.
I used to love dead baby jokes when I was a kid, but a real dead baby (as you all know) makes me insane. However, ask me, even today, whats funnier than a dead baby (half a dead baby) and I will still grin.
It’s humor. Some people get it and some don’t. Some have a line in the sand they can’t cross, and others don’t.
Just go on being yourself and don’t worry about it. If PYSIH is too offensive, then people will move on along.
I am not going anywhere soon. I love being offended, so long as it’s being done as humor.
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Max The Cat reply on September 8th, 2008:
Thanks Maz. I was almost afraid I was coming across as an Anti-Semite or something. God knows that’s miles from the truth, but I never thought I was a homophobe either until the Matt Sheppard murder, and ol’ Fred Phelps forced me to take a hard look at my views on Gay people.
Amy reply on September 8th, 2008:
No Max, you did not for one second come across as an anti-seminite…MrE on the other hand is seriously anti-humour!
Stay sane inside insanity.
Sorry, whenever I hear the name Susan Sarandan, that song starts playing in my head. Kinda fits this blog, not only today, or this subject, but every day.
May the best person win.
And may Bristol and Levi’s baby be loved and not repeat its parent’s mistake.
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Belle reply on September 13th, 2008:
Actually that was Columbia talking about Eddie, but yeah, I think I get what you mean, I always think of “Touch a touch a touch me” when I think of S.S.
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Seriously I respect all of your comments and appreciate you all telling me to get a since of humor or you disagree with something I have said, I cannot learn about myself by my self.
Your right some times I get a bit aggressive and pig-headed in my thoughts and rants, I will do my best to lighten up, but I’m only subhuman.
Max I did get it, but again sometimes my thoughts of rage behind there keyboard get the best of me and I type what I should not & its not Xanax it Prozac and ur right I missed my dose:)
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Jason, how do you know that it took more than 6 days to form the Earth? Were you there?
This is stupid. I’m sure this kid has enough to worry about without this website putting up his picture for people to vote on whether or not he deserves hell.
People that choose to commit crimes put themselves in the position for this, but this is just a kid that had sex!
How many of us waited until we were married to have sex?
While I beleive that it is very important to teach your kids about birth control, I don’t think it’s such a bad idea to suggest abstinence…it could help our kids avoid alot of problems. And btw, how many of you practiced safe sex EVERY TIME when you were a teen-ager?
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Jason reply on September 9th, 2008:
Jason, how do you know that it took more than 6 days to form the Earth? Were you there?
How do you know that Antibiotics kill Bacteria?
You Observe it right? Put a drop in the agar and watch them die.
How do we know there are Quarks?
We can’t currently observe them, we can only observe the forces they exert on their components.
We have more than 6800 years worth of Evidence of the Earth’s existence, in fact we have just over 10,000 years of evidence of human civilization, which makes the book of Genesis wrong. If Genesis is wrong about the age of the Earth, then it makes all of these other pieces of Evidence we found make a whole lot more sense.
Things like how long it takes to decay radioactive isotopes, hybridize certain plants, develop certain types of fish, and so on and so on. You know, the sorts of things that can be used to help us solve world hunger, cure diseases like Cancer and AIDS, and eventually make the world a better place to live in.
I don’t doubt the existence of God, I doubt the people who want me to believe the bible is the word of God, have my best interests in their plans.
As far as Levi being on the site, it was a funny joke, that opened a door into the political motivations of some of the people who post here. I made no bones. I’m a social liberal/Fiscal Conservative, who believes that Religious Fundamentalists are responsible for roughly an 1/8th of the people on this site.
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Mazzi reply on September 10th, 2008:
Hehe Jason - I am a social libertarian/fiscal conservative.
I don’t really believe in creationism, and yet I don’t really believe in evolution either. I am not even convinced that either of those are the “answer” - it may be something that we have never even thought of - that is so far removed from our ability to understand, that we have not yet found it out.
Regardless, I feel that everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I don’t like when either side tries to shut up the other. Unless there is proof - hard proof - it’s only fair that the main concepts are covered.
And if 100 years from now, a significant number of people were to believe that we were dropped here by an alien mothership (a penal colony?) then we should teach that too.
That’s all I am saying. And, if either side can prove that they are right, then we can stop teaching the other concept.
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Jason reply on September 13th, 2008:
Like every technology, science or idea you will ever learn, exposure and confidence is how you learn. Apparently you’ve been failed by all of the teachers who exposed you to Evolution. My instructor was Banks Greene, a devoutly religious man who rubbed his hairy chest as he discussed the nature of observable kingdom, phyla, class, order and species. Evolution no more disproves God than ice cream disproves the presence of the Sun, but what it does prove beyond a shadow of any reasonable doubt is that Genesis was written by plain old ordinary men, and that they made a lot of bad guesses at how the world was made. Evolution is not perfect, but it is a much better series of guesses and observable data.
It is not the determination of Evolution that religion should not be taught in schools. It is a doctrine of separation of church and state. Some overly zealous folks from the past stifled every scientific endeavor for 1500+ years because they feared educated followers of their faith would seek to depose them, and only their fear was right in the matter.
Men and women cut from the same cloth now want control of the schools again, because only by stifling creativity, insight and reason can they keep their collection plates unending, misery and woe on the rise, and their audiences begging for more. What they fail to realize is that when Jesus cast the money changers from the temple, he had no intention for the temple to ever ask them to return or in this case seek to move the temple where the money changers already live.
i love me some admin…….using PYSIH to make some underhanded fun of the media…he is a genius…..and funny…….anyone know if he’s married?
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If you want to think that you came from a monkey, go ahead.
I just think it’s stupid to put a kid on here that did nothing that millions of other kids, and most people reading this haven’t done. I know, it’s a joke.
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Jason reply on September 10th, 2008:
If you’d prefer to avoid thinking you’re a monkey, don’t go to the hospital when you’re sick, stop taking prescription drugs, avoid all synthetic fabrics and materials, and you know this internet thing? Might want to stop using it too. If you’re going to reject science, stop being a hypocrite and go all the way. You don’t have to stop living, the Amish are actually expanding and growing. They’d welcome you in their Pennsylvania Dutch arms.
admin - The Amish are secretly creating their own Manhattan Project. It’s all a ruse. Don’t be fooled.
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The problem isn’t what the kids did, it’s the hypocrisy of his girlfriend’s mother that makes this news. You said he didn’t pay enough attention to the condom banana demo, but Palin is against sexual education. THAT’S why it’s of public interest that her daughter got pregnant as a teen and is now going to get married and have a baby. No she doesn’t have to have an abortion, that’s not what people are objecting to. Palin doesn’t think kids should learn about sex, she thinks they should only be taught abstinence. That tactic didn’t work so well for her family, regardless of how well it all may turn out. What if her kid got HIV instead of pregnant? Someone’s uneducated kid did, in fact a lot of them did.
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Mazzi reply on September 10th, 2008:
Palin is NOT against sex ed. She has gone on record as saying it, and she was in a position to enforce it if she felt that strongly, and she didn’t. She believes in teaching abstinence AND contraception.
She does NOT believe that kids should be taught about oral sex, vibrators and dildos, anal sex and bestiality, as many schools now teach - including MY district, which is why I paid big bucks to send my kid to private school!
And Obama voted in favor of teaching sex ed to KINDERGARTENERS! Children who cannot even read need to know about HIV, contraception and STD’s? Read the bill that Obama signed, and note that Obama was one of two, who insisted that the bill be changed to INCLUDE grade K.
I am not trying to make anyone change their minds, I just want people to tell the fucking TRUTH, and stop making shit up!
How the hell can we be expected to make a decision when all we hear is lies and twisted truths? Lay it all out on the table - facts - and then decide.
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Jason reply on September 12th, 2008:
Obama’s sex ed for Kindergartners was in fact a program to teach kids how to avoid sexual predators and the inappropriate behavior that sexual predators are often able to convince uneducated minors into doing.
Both sides have their media mouth pieces shelling this issue.
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ewww reply on September 12th, 2008:
Your kid’s school teaches what about bestiality exactly? The rest are okay with me, I like my sex-ed inclusive. What are gay kids supposed to do if they only learn the risks of heterosexual intercourse? Lesbians and gays have oral sex, some use dildos, some have anal sex. Straight people do those things too. That’s how it is, and if they’re done wrong, they can be dangerous. I don’t think sex is dirty, as long as it’s consensual and safe. The people I’ve met who went to private schools had much raunchier sex lives than my public school friends, who mostly stayed virgins until after their teens. I don’t know why, rebellion maybe. Yes, the kindergarten thing makes sense, too if it’s about prevention. We learned about bad touching in school very young. Spreading lies? No. I’m saying what I’ve read from several sources. She’s gone on record as saying she’s not for abstinence-only education? Okay, I’ll go for it, but show me where you read that. Just because she didn’t make legislation about it in Alaska doesn’t mean she wouldn’t in the whole country and we have to be prepared. She’s a smart, charismatic, well-spoken woman. She’s also very deceptive politically, most people in politics are. If you listen to her speeches, you can pick out where she’s exaggerating for effect, and where she’s egging on misconceptions. I don’t think anyone is a straight-talking candidate, it’s impossible. It’s just dangerous. You don’t have to jump down my throat, please. If I’m wrong, I can admit it, but I didn’t find the tone of the article as funny as they thought, it was dismissive.
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ewww reply on September 12th, 2008:
(yeah, that was from me (Ugh), forgot to change the name back & javascript isn’t letting me change it now. Also, the bad-touching lesson? It helped.)
Jason and Ugh- 100% agree with you! It is the hypocrisy of Palin that makes it public interest! Like that statement she made about being proud of her daughter’s “choice” to have the baby. But…she is Pro-Life and wants to take that “choice” away from everyone else. If she would have said something alond the lines of “my daughter and Levi have created a life, and that life has the ‘rights’ therefore I will soon be a proud grandma…” then I personaly would not have a problem with it. But Palin needs to understand the position she puts herself into when she voices where she stands on such issues and uses them to her political advantage. Why is it ok for her daughter to have the ‘choice’ when she is so strongly opposes if for everyone else?
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Mazzi reply on September 10th, 2008:
That is not hypocricy. That is fact!
Palin’s daughter chose to have her baby, in spite of the fact that she could make the legal choice to abort, no matter what her mom thinks about it. By law, her mom never even had to know. So why wouldn’t Palin be proud of her daughter for making the right choice?
That’s totally different than being HAPPY that the laws allow her daughter to have a choice besides “raise it” or “give it up for adoption”.
If you don’t like Palin, or Republicans or whatever - at least have a good argument for your position. Yours is really, really weak.
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Jason reply on September 12th, 2008:
wait? um, Palin’s daughter is still considered a minor in Alaska, and Alaska had a parental consent requirement until the supreme court of Alaska ruled it unconstitutional.
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/searchseizure/2007/11/minors-right-to.html
Palin even went to bat over it.
http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2007/11/parental-consent-law-struck-down-palin.html
Palin does not advocate a woman’s right to ch