Kyle Cooper and Kimberly Helmes
This is 25-year-old Kyle Cooper.
Guys like Kyle Cooper don’t remain single for long. They’re always someone out there who’s anxious to bring a Kyle Cooper into her life, regardless of the consequences.
Kyle Cooper’s girlfriend, 21-year-old Kimberly Helmes, hooked up with Kyle and brought two children – a one-year-old boy and a two-year-old boy – into the relationship. Kimberly and Kyle lived with his parents and for a while they were a nice, happy pseudo-family.
At about 6 in the evening on the 12th of September, 2008, Kimberly Helmes called 911 to report that her 1-year-old son wasn’t breathing.
Police and emergency personnel arrived quickly and were led to where the 1-year-old was lying on the floor of one of Kyle’s parents’ bedrooms. The child, who had been left lying on the floor with vomit on his left arm and on the floor around his body, was dead.
Immediately apparent to the trained medical staff on the scene was that the child seemed to be a little thinner than usual. The word “malnourished” was thrown around and written down.
The police at the scene, as always, were interested in finding out exactly how the child had died and asked his mother what had happened.
According to Kimberly Helmes, she had put her youngest son into his playpen at about 4 in the afternoon that day for a little nap. Kimberly told police that when she came back into the room to check on him, she discovered that he wasn’t breathing and called 911 for help. Kimberly Helmes also told the police and medical personnel that the boy had been experiencing breathing problems for a few months now.
A proper examination of the child’s body revealed that he had gone through a bit more than just a few months of problematic breathing.
The boy – whose name is reportedly “J.B.” – had been systematically abused. Authorities discovered that the kid had a broken arm, broken ribs and a fractured skull. There were cuts and bruises on the child’s body, along with a rather severe cut on the bridge of his nose.
J.B. also had a laceration all the way through his tongue – a cut that ran vertically and covered about half the length of the muscle – which someone who had no medical training whatsoever had attempted to stitch back together.
With all those interesting facts coming to the fore, police wanted to talk to the loving couple a bit more. In a follow-up interview with the police, after being confronted with the autopsy evidence, Kimberly Helmes decided that maybe she had lied a little bit before when she had talked to the police earlier. Now she admitted that she had just dumped her child into his playpen at about 9 in the morning on the day that he had died – and that she hadn’t checked on him, fed him or changed him until 6 that night.
It took a while, but police eventually sifted through the sandstorm of lies coming out of this woman and pulled out a few nuggets of truth. Kimberly Helmes had a few other interesting tidbits of information to add about how her son experienced what life was like during his first and only year on earth.
At first Kimberly claimed that sometime during July of 2008, her son had fallen in the garage and bitten through his tongue. She told police that she and Kyle Cooper had tried to stitch the boy’s tongue back together using some thread and a needle, but that since neither one of them really knew what they were doing, she guessed that she didn’t do a very good job.
Because Kimberly had already had run-ins with her local Child Protective Services, including one 4-day period in May of 2008 where her children had been removed from her home due to the suspicion of child abuse, she didn’t want to take her son to the doctor. After all, they might think that she was abusing her kids or something.
Can’t have that.
According to Kimberly Helmes, weeks went by and her son’s tongue got worse and worse – gradually separating into a fork. Due to his tongue causing him so much pain, J.B. wasn’t eating. Once infection set in, her son started to get cranky and irritable and started to have problems breathing.
When Kyle Cooper was being interviewed, he stuck with the story that he and Kimberly Helmes had worked out. He insisted that she had told him that the boy had fallen down in the garage. Kyle mentioned that she had wanted to take the kid to the hospital, but that he didn’t have a car to get there. Faced with this insurmountable obstacle, they decided to just stitch the boy up themselves and go on with life.
Eventually, after having medical evidence shoved into her face enough times, Kimberly Helmes told police that Kyle Cooper had been beating on her children for some time, hitting and kicking them on a regular basis. She changed her story a bit more, this time mentioning that on Labor Day – the 1st of September, 2008 – Kyle had gotten really mad at the 1-year-old and had beaten and thrown her son around. That was when the kid received the broken arm and split tongue.
Based on the autopsy evidence, J.B. had taken about a week and a half to die. The baby boy was pretty much in constant pain, as most people would be with a split tongue, broken ribs and a broken skull, especially if they couldn’t eat and were neglected by the people whose job it was to take care of them.
Kyle Cooper and Kimberly Helmes have each been charged with one count of second-degree murder and one count of endangering the welfare of a child.
Do Kyle Cooper and Kimberly Helmes deserve Hell?
- Yes - both of them (98%, 655 Votes)
- Yes - but only Kyle Cooper (1%, 5 Votes)
- Yes - but only Kimberly Helmes (1%, 5 Votes)
- No - neither (0%, 3 Votes)
Total Voters: 668
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Ummmm …. No Words. Stitched it up THEMSELVES!?
we live in a sick sick world..
i know her real well i never would have thought she would have done something like this i hope her and him go to hell she is my cuzes step sister they need done to them what they done to my little man she has an older son i realy wish i could see i realy miss him and the baby i dont hit women but i wish i coulb beat the sshit out of both of them for what they done to my little man.
WTF? That poor baby. I’m sure the older one has injuries that will come to light later on too. WHY were those children given back? I say hell for them and whoever signed the papers to release those kids back into their “care.” They should have at least given them drug tests because they both look like they enjoy meth quite often.
What’s with all these child abuse stories lately? Is it the season for that or maybe people have just stopped raping and murdering adults. Maybe it’s just not as fun for them because adults have a chance of fighting back.
Meth wasn’t involved in this case actually. He had tried it before years ago. I can answer any questions you guys have if you have real questions.
I DID NOT see any abuse, but I knew him probably the best I suppose. I worked with him to rehabilitate, I am a police officer. I honestly did not think he was into violence.
If anyone legitmately cares to get inside the real story I can help I guess.
Once again I did not see any abuse. Last time I saw him was the weekend before it all went down.
With all due respect “officer”…. u shouldn’t tell anyone else that you “worked to rehabilitate him”. If you are truely and officer, a first responder, what happened to your training? Your intuition?
I’ve worked in criminal justice (adult and juvenile) for over 15yrs and there are something you just don’t miss! A baby with a split tongue? NO BRAINER! Underweight child? NO BRAINER! Maldeveloped or delayed baby/child/young person? NO BRAINER!!! There were signs, there usually are, maybe you missed them by trying to ‘rehabilitate’ someone that had never been habilitated! Exactly how did you plan on repairing a problem that you didn’t know existed? Inquiring minds want to know!!! :-/
Im really starting to like you marine_mum….:)
when you have a kid…you have 1 job…protect the child. There are so many options if you can’t/won’t do that job and letting the child die is NOT a permissable option. These 2 deserve way worse then hell and I hope they get it.
also…does anyone else get this “I didn’t do nuthin wrong” vibe from that guys pic? makes me sick.
I thought so too. Like he’s just thinking “You ain’t got nuttin on me” I just want to punch that smug look off of his face.
And her looks says, ” dont tell me how to be diciplining my kids…”
i love baby einstein
Baby Einstein kept my sanity intact when our youngest was under 7 months and woke up in the middle of the night and cried.
Popped him into the swing, turned on Baby Beethoven, and he was entertained until he fell asleep.
A split tongue. A FUCKING SPLIT TONGUE!!! A cracked skull and broken arms and ribs!!!! WTF!!!???! I mean I’ve heard of people getting into 100 mph wrecks and not having this much shit happen to them.
OK so whose to blame here? I personally blame this J.B. kid. Here he is all 1 year old and all baby and shit. I mean he was a leech on this family and he deserved every little thing htat happened to him. I can’t even forgive this kid he probably made that poor man hurt his hands and exert himself beating him like that. What a monster a fucking 1 year old kid can be. And the mother? Oh she should get the mother of the year award. How dare she even be charged with a crime. Damn law.
Of course I am only saying this because I am a firm believer that maybe humor will soften the sick and twisted nature of what these two piles of shit did to that poor baby. Someone should do all they did to that baby and then some. Whatever the most twisted shit people can think of short of killing them should be enacted on these fucks and then let them beg to die for a week and a half with a split tongue to die.
ASSHOLES!!!!
PS WHO IS THE ONE ASSHOLE WHO VOTED “NO”? THEY SHOULD BURN IN HELL WITH THESE SICK FUCKS!!!
Yes, they should! Assholes…
One good point, is that maybe prison guards will drop the book just right and those two poor excuse for parents will get what they deserve, not just in hell, but in the prisons too!
I agree that whoever voted NO should rot in hell too.
Where were dickless’s parents that “lived” there too? they are some nasty looking people. Poor kids. I wouldnt let someone touch my dogs much less my kids.
No explanation needed Bob. Most of us are firm believers in the very same thing, otherwise evil sacks of shit like these two would drive me insane and force me to find them and skin them alive.
I’ll bring the knife. An old rusty dull butter knife. Got just the one.
My God what sich sacks of shit. A split tounge? Stitch it up themselvs? what in the hell????
first off, i’m curious if this is really bob saget, cause i pm’ed the real bob and told him about this site.
and second… wtf is wrong with people… to quote some of bob’s stand up… this lowers the bar, and then these fucks limbo under it, cause they are that fucked up.
i think it is time for some parents to have their tongues split and stitched up with a rusty needle. but only after their arms and skulls are broken from being beaten and kicked.
they need to die that way.
it really makes you look at drugs. I mean come on…would someone in any kind of sober state of mind do this?
parents should be required by law to be drug tested a few times a year for a childs first year or two of life. If that was the case then maybe parents would be sober enough by the time the kid was 2 so that stuff like this wouldn’t happen.
Good Idea but you can’t blame these two fuck ups actions on drugs. I’m sure there is shit that happens cause the parents are stoned, but shit like this wouldn’t matter.
As bad as it hurts to say this our world is filled with fucked up psychos that don’t need drugs to do the demented things they do.
hey now…if you knew me months ago on here you’d know that I’m a fan of weed. Weed really isn’t a drug (in my opinion) and doens’t really alter your mind that much. It makes you fat cause you eat, and laugh so you work off the carbs you just ate.
I’m talking meth or heroine or even long term coke use that really starts eating away at your mind that would force you to do something like this.
You are right, there are a lot of people who do dumb shit that aren’t intoxicated.
Being an american that I am, I will judge based on their pictures and based on my past drug use that they probably were heavy users of meth (most likely)
I can’t disagree there. they do have that meth look about them. I just will never understand how a mother could let something like that happen to their child
Brittany I don’t care if they were coke, weed, meth and lsd all at once. They need to die. Simple as that. Drugs or no drugs.
Look I enjoy a good beer and or whiskey. When I drink I am responsible for what I say and do. No matter how shitrocked I get.
Please don’t give these shitbags an excuse.
They may be druggies, but they are druggies because they are stupid and selfish and irresponsible. It’s not the other way around. The drugs only accentuate these behaviors.
Maz speaks true, I’d be worse on drugs.
Drugs were not involved, it was alcohol.
Oh, well that’s different. That makes it okay.
Drugs/alcahol….IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY GOD DAMNED DIFFERENCE! That baby is dead. At least one person in that house abused him…severely. Three others sat and watched and even helped that abuse to continue! Fucking hell. Who held the child down while the mum stitched up his tounge? That takes some doing.
At what point could he NOT have grabbed that child and ran out the door, punching any cunt who tried to stop him?
What stopped him? Was he really that much of a chicken shit pussy that he thought more of protecting himself than that poor child? You really are clueless! He may not have been the one to beat the child, BUT HE DID NOTHING TO STOP IT EITHER! I guess that makes him a hero in your eyes. You deserve each other!
All I intended to do is add the facts. I guess you guys can’t handle real information. Whore..
It’s still an intoxicant, ass. I’d also point out that you are a damn liar if you’re try to pass that those two didn’t do drugs.
Are you looking at the pictures we are?
She never did drugs, he had before he went to prison. I’m just laying the facts out.
Does it really matter if drugs were involved? Stitched tongue, fractured skull, malnourished, broken arm, cut nose, broken ribs, dead kid, several people involved – what am I missing?
She never did drugs and he hasn’t done drugs since before he went to prison?
Okay, closest, your point is…………
social services dropped the ball yet again. DP for these two
Grrr… this makes me mad!
I’m sure wherever they lived there were Save Haven Laws… They could’ve just given the kid up and then gotten on with their own miserable, selfish lives.
But no, I guess beating up A 1 YR. OLD and starving him to death is so much more satisfying…not to mention probably entertaining to them.
It made them feel tough.. It had to have had. I boxed for three years, I don’t look like I could beat my way out of a wet card board box, but did pretty good. These two ‘things’ (can’t classify them as human beings, sorry!) needed to feel that rush. Assholes.. Let me at ‘er! or him either one… Sick Fuckers
Safe haven laws mean nothing to this kind of trash. It seems like the lower down you go into the gene pools, the more people care about the genetics of their kid.
That’s why you see people on Maury who swear that they will love this baby they have been raising for 3 years, so long as the DNA test prove’s it’s “theirs”. If the DNA ain’t theirs, then fuck the kid.
Anyway, these type of people will scream to holy hell when CPS comes around to actually protect their kids, but they themselves feel the right to slam the baby against the wall.
I have a baby that age and cannot fathom the pain that child must have gone through. Not being able to speak or comprehend why mommy isnt feeding me anymore and daddy keeps beating me.
I mean really, what can a one year old do that warrants an ass-kicking?? Cry? b/c he’s hungry or in pain? spit up? shit?
Think about how painful it would be to try to suck on a bottle with a split tongue. He probably wasnt fully capable of feeding himself solids, maybe not even walking yet.
I am furious. Nothing makes me madder than people beating up on defenseless children.
WTF!!! You know I will never understand how a mother can do or even let this kind of bullshit happen to her kids. I myself am tryin to get pregnant and shit like this just makes me sick to my stomach.
If the fucking bitch didn’t care about the kids fucking close your legs. My God that child came from her and she let this shit happen. Fuck yeah she deserves hell.
And I can see how it takes a real man to beat up a ONE YEAR OLD. Everyone knows how tough they are. That dude has to be really fucked up to beat a child that bad. There isn’t a thing that a ONE YEAR OLD can do to deserve that kind of life.
There has to be a special place in hell for people like this. I really believe the mother is more to blame, cause I will be damned to let some man beat my children.
Let them both burn
It’s situations like this thank make me so thankful for Karma. These two have it coming for them in prison.
Didn’t it say they lived with his parents? Where the fuck were they?
Off with their head’s!
Good point…
His dad wasn’t there, his mom was though. She might have known about it. We will see, the trial hasn’t started yet. I’ll keep you guys updated.
So his mom participated in killing her future step-grandchild.
Wow. I have seen a LOT of kids get stitches, and they fight tooth and nail… I can’t imagine what they had to do to this kid to get him still enough to stitch up his FUCKING TONGUE. These stories never get any less sad. They deserve to fucking rot.
diana, before they rot I want to pee on them after we dig open their skulls with the opposite side of a hammer.
hell yes. wonder if we could pee in tandem?
Oh my God, what a mental picture I just experienced! rotflmao!
The step dad deserves hell for beating up a one year old. The mom deserves hell for not protecting her baby. Kyle’s parents ( i understand that the two were living with Kyles parents at the time.) deserve hell for not stepping in an stopping the abuse. Welfare deserves hell for sending the kids back to those animals. Now im going to go and cry. That poor baby boy!
Bless you Amy
wtf? his parents allowed that to go on in their home? and she’s 21 with a 1 and 2 year old? where are their dads (yes i said DADS, i’m willing to bet money there are 2) and where are her parents? why wasn’t cps doing their jobs? omg, i could go on and on! these children were failed miserably by so many different selfish people!
You’re right, 2 dads. Neither paid any support.
what the hell man jimmys father is a hard workinman and has been fighting for his son so what gives you the right to judge him judge his mom and kyle
Hard working fighting for his son. Exactly when did he start fighting? And when exactly was he going to get serious. This child suffered like this for a week and a half. Where was this hard working man who fights for his son during that time?
I know, couldn’t stop by or call cause he was working. Sounds like a great man.
It pisses me off when parents are not their for their kids, but as soon as something goes wrong they are singing about how much they loved their child.
BULLSHIT! If he was a loving father he would have been there to ensure his son was safe and happy.
This is a particularly sore point for me. The father of my first two children has not seen or spoken to his sons in 12 years. That is my doing. The man is a woman beater and a rapist. But he goes around telling anyone who will listen how much he loves his sons and has been fighting for them for 12 years. BULLSHIT! Ive yet to see a court order saying anything to that effect.
The father of my youngest three children has not seen them since we moved out of the metro area. Thats almost 6 years ago.
And once again he tells anyone who will listen how he loves his kids and will do anything to see them.
Well its only a two hour drive from here to where he lives, and guess what? He would rather buy weed than put the fuel in the car to get here.
I on the other hand LOVE my children. I work to earn the money to feed them ( up until this year i was a single mum) They have never gone without love,food, clothing, medical care…and i certainly never beat them.
Maybe the childs father should go crawl back into the hole he crawled out of, because he is too late now to save his son.
It’s amazing how people think they can sit back and do nothing, then when the shit hits the fan they are quick to scream how they’ve been violated. Like they are suddenly entitled to something for what the child went through.
On the other hand, single parents fight to survive day in and day out. Making ends meet, loving the kids, disciplining and playing all the roles. Maybe this Piece of cunt scab should of thought about JB before the little guy died with a split tongue.
Your right Amy. 100% right. Unfortunately it’s the single parents who get the bum rap. Truth is, being a parent is simultaneously the easiest and hardest job in the world. 24/7 365 with no breaks whatsoever and yet 1 smile across a room makes you forget all your troubles and just bust up laughing.
Its not just single parents…its loving parents. Loving parents do anything within their power to ensure their children are loved, nurtured and provided with all their physical needs.
omg. I’m gobsmacked.Where do you start? It is all so incredibly sad..but then the rage and disgust overwhelms me and I want to scream “evil, evil fuckwits!!!!!!!”
Im not even sure that it comes from being evil anymore. Its as if people just dont care. Men beat their wives and children, mothers neglect their kids, children get raped and molested, usually by people they trust, everyone is either stoned or drunk…and they just dont seem to care about anything but the moment they are in.
I think these people should be sterilized, imagine growing up in an environment like this, these two morons are a sorry example of parenthood, I hope the one that managed to survive has a much better life without these two.
I just want to know how they managed to stitch that tongue up themselves. They both go to hell, even if she didn’t hit him, she did nothing for her son but let him rot away.
yep. Definately TWEAKERS. more kids are in foster care for abuse and neglect due to Meth use than any other drug, I’d bet large money on that.
Gimme the money. Your wrong.
If your going to claim the prize closest then you need to get stats up on it. Since Mandi didn’t say in your town, county, state, country or continent it’s open to the entire world.
Go get your stats and come back. If I verify them correct I’ll pay. Just be sure to give me a good address to deliver it too!!
Wannabe. blah blah
That is a very intellectual post Closest. I’m amazed at how much work you put into it, not a single argueable fact in it.
Hell
He just got off parole that weekend. He had been taking drug tests since his release from prison. She had never did any drugs, not even pot. They both drank.
Meth use was more than 2 years ago. He had stopped. He had a steady job and was actually excited to get his real son back.
He did not want to be with her or play daddy. Those kids had two other fathers in Arkansas. His family would not let her move out. He was trying to see other girls. They would not let her leave and forced him to have a relationship with her. She was a control freak towards him. Would never let him leave the house. She neglected those kids. Kim and his family took his car keys and phone to control him.
He had just gotten out of prison, but home life was just as bad. It does not justify any abuse and it is a nightmare.
This was her meal ticket.
Kyle’s entire life has been hell already. His father was never there(trucker) and mom never even had a picture of him hanging on the wall, just her stupid dogs. They would lock him out of the house while they were gone.
If he is the one responsible, I would be surprised. The trial hasn’t started. If it is him though, I’m sorry. I tried to influence him to be a better person. He didn’t have many friends. The weekend before this happened was the last time I saw him. She just drove me crazy. I was the only one he trusted and I wasn’t there for him. I didn’t know about the abuse, I thought DFS looked into it. Since we didn’t see the abuse, we gave him benefit of the doubt. We always thought she was the one doing the abuse because we were suspicious of neglect, but I didn’t always get to see the kids.
You were there for him…why were you not there for the kids? You were obviously close enough to see things were not right.
Wow clostest. You were there for him, huh? Well, since you know so much about this and obviously had the chance to prevent it, this means you are even worse than him.
It’s actually a crime to not report a crime or to ignore something going on that causes harm or death to another.
Why not give us a picture of yourself so we can vote you into hell with these to pieces of garbage.
Who cares if his parents didn’t love him, who cares if they only put up pictures of the dogs and who cares how shitty his childhood was? Guess what, that’s life and your parents are no longer your excuse for being a disgusting piece of shit who’s best parts ran down the crack of his momma’s ass and became a brown stain on the backseat of the Yugo he was made in.
Or wait, he’s your braddy. I forgot about that. Must be tough at Christmas.
Thanks asshole, I did not see any abuse. It’s not like I saw him everyday. We had suspected neglect but she just moved here a few months ago.
I hope you feel better. I don’t believe in hell myself so say whatever you want. The last time I saw him was before the physical abuse.
I think I stated that earlier? Anyways I know it is a crime to not report it, I am a police officer. What is a braddy? Your weird.
It’s sad what happened, we all know that. Your post makes no sense. You seem like a shitbag yourself anyway.
Your a police officer and your defending this shit bag??? I think its time for a career change. Maybe you could get a job at the zoo as a monkey spanker.
And how long does it take when you suspect abuse to confirm it? A few months probably seemed like eternity to poor J.B.
Just like a good Police Occifer in your town I’m sure. Get all the facts and protect the scum. After all, it’s just a kid, he doesn’t pay taxes yet so he doesn’t have a voice. Right?
No, not really. I didn’t see any abuse.
I don’t like the zoo really. Anyways, I’ve known the guy 9 years. This is all new stuff you know. You don’t think it might be hard dealing with this if it was one of your friends. It’s not like we didn’t have decent memories or anything. You guys can’t be pissed more than us. Of course if he did do it, I certainly cannot defend him much. I am just painting a larger circle of the real scenario and motives. And I really hate Kim.
I think this site isn’t very effective considering they don’t wait for the trial.
So, talk shit all you want. I don’t care. The real guilty party is DFS, who do you think called them? The kids got let go! What more can one do if they don’t see anything? We didn’t, we were suspicious though. When they just gave them back, how were we to know they did a shitty job?
Ok, i do understand that it must be hard when friend/family commit horrendous crimes. When i first came onto PYSIH it was to talk about a friend of my mothers. This woman left her children with family members because she had a really bad drug problem. The family members who legally became the childrens foster family neglected the kids terribly and their neglect led to the death of one of the children. In that case, CPS also fucked up and didnt seem to notice a dying girl when she was on the floor in front of them.
My mum told me that people were on this site attacking the mother of this child and so i came on here with my sleaves rolled up wanting to take on whoever it was that was having a go at her….
What i soon figured out though, is that the people making comments made a valid points. Also the patrons of this site feel VERY passionately about punishing violent criminals. Especially criminals who hurt small, defenseless children.
The best advice i can give you, is to not come on this site if you dont want to read our comments. While i understand that it must be very hard for you to come to terms with the idea of you good friend as someone who would abuse a child, or at the very least, sit back and watch while his girlfriend abused a child, you must understand, that we are fed up with neglectful, violent, sick fuckers who seem to get a kick out of hurting those who are unable to defend themselves. We are an angry lot, and this is our forum where we come to vent that anger.
Wow!!! Your a police officer. I am so impressed!!! Look everybody, we got a police occifer on here!!! We should all bow down and worship you for what you do for society!!!
Great occifer, let me explain a few things for you:
1. It’s illegal to impersonate an officer.
2. If you are a police officer then internal affairs of your department might have a few issues with your views on this case and how you are “PUBLICLY” advocating for this individual piece of shit.
3. This is a website and it records every keystroke like a keylogger, it also records things like IP addresses and such.
4. Admin of this site can’t stand piece of shit liars impersonating cops and he also can’t stand piece of shit filthy dirtbag cops who try and defend child killers.
Hey Admin: Think we can isolate this idiot and let his IA know what he’s up to?
Now, to answer your question Braddy… A Braddy is a brother daddy. Yeah, I said it you incestuous piece of fucking garbage.
Next, you tell me that my posts make no sense… Shall we take a poll on those? Go ahead folks, who is more easily understood?
The Danger Zone
Or
Closest
Admin: Can we get a vote button on this one too?
Now, if your a cop and you visited this family then it appears to me that you also hold responsibility for this child’s death. How? Pretty simple: You were in the house on even an irregular basis and had an opportunity to see how the family interacted amongst themselves. In addition, you as a “POLICE OCCIFER” have recieved training in identifying abused children and individuals. Thus you have commited the following crimes:
1. Dereliction of Duty
2. Failure to report suspected child abuse
3. Child Endangerment (you knew the child could be in danger and did nothing to protect it)
4. Conspiracy to commit murder. Yes, you are guilty of conspiring by ignoring it. Kinda cool how individuals think they have to actually participate in a criminal organization to be guilty of conspiracy. No, if you know a crime is happening and do nothing to prevent or stop it then you are just as guilty as the perpetrators.
Now, we have an individual child who is dead because of your failure to do the job you say you were hired to do Closest. Guess what? In my book this qualifies for charge #5:
5. Capital Murder: Causing the death of another while in the commission of a crime. Please note you do not have to intend to cause harm or death to the individual, only that your committing the crime caused the death.
Gawd, if I had my way, we’d just execute every fucker that we come across when someone dies in the process of their crime.
Wanna keep defending him?
admin – Eh, I don’t want to set up a situation where someone wouldn’t feel comfortable exposing their views. You do a good enough job of castigating as it is.
Whats the bet he read your post, shat his pants and deleted all incriminating evidence LOL.
I find closers posts more concise and readable, actually. You may not agree with him, but that doesn’t make him an idiot. And you’re attacking him, danger, not the other way around.
Besides, he’s not defending the perps actions, hes trying to give us additional information, and insights from a non-media filtered viewpoint.
Hey Syyd, you might want to go to comment 23, then read down for Closest’s response that starts out with: “Thanks Asshole…”
You might not like my opin, but this is still an open fora and while each of us has a right to say what we want, that’s called a personal opinion and freedom of speech, we don’t have to agree with him and are open to point out the specifics that we disagree with.
Amy probably is much more PC in her statements and how she comes across than I am, but then again, I never did want to be politically correct or polite when it comes to protecting our children!!
That probably doesn’t sound nice, and I apologize Amy, it is meant in the nicest way!!
Actually it seems as if he is trying to make excuses for his friend. Even if Kyle was NOT the one to abuse the child, he did nothing to prevent it either. Closest says that the girlfriend was a control freak, ok, but i still dont see how she could have scared him and controlled him so much that he would allow her to abuse the child. Not doing anything to prevent the abuse, is as bad as doing it in my eyes. Ok, so his mum and dad never showed him any love. That is sad. Everyone needs to feel loved and wanted. But it does by no means excuse his actions.
Like i said, i do understand how hard it is to reconcile the Kyle he knows as someone who would either abuse, or enable someone else to abuse a small child.
And making excuses for his friend is not going to win him any favours here in PYSIH.
All is good Danger, no apology needed…i have a calm exterior and come across as understanding and calm, but inside i feel rage at what i read on this forum. I wish i could express it as well as you can.
not really like this
I’m going to back off you for a moment here Closest. You say you didn’t really see any abuse. Not really like this.
That raises some questions as to what you did see. I guess I’m asking, what did you see? Hitting, not bathing them, insulting? Not sure how to phrase this, someone else please feel free to expand here.
Closest- “his family wouldn’t let him”, “she wouldn’t let him”. Sounds to me like you were more like an mental enabler. Free will! We all have it. If you your right, and he wasn’t the one causing the abuse, he is just as guilty as her. To me him, her, and anyone else that had any knowledge that these children were being treated badly deserve a horrible death.
u didnt know about the abuse, but then thought that DFS looked into it? are u fucking stupid, what would DFS have to look into besides neglect, cuz they didnt look close enough when they gave the sperm bank her kids back and didnt follow up. just stop defending the POS’s and shut up. a grown man afraid of his parents and live-in girlfriend? thats when u take the money from working?!, talk to probation officer or whatever, and run. sweet jesus. i’m tired of the “drugs made me do it, alcohol made me do, i was too stupid to leave, too incompetent to call the cops….blah blah fucking blah.” u deserve hell too for being so “close” to the family and not noticing a damn thing. any twat can realize that when a kid is crying or irritable or upset there is usually a damn good reason. fuck you, fuck the “mother” and the damn ignorant ugly boyfriend too
fat bitch
“Based on the autopsy evidence, J.B. had taken about a week and a half to die.”
Very sad.
You know they didn’t use novaine or any kind of pain-killer when they were stitching up that child’s tongue…just imagine the pain.
Both parents deserve to go to jail for life without the possibility of parole for murdering this baby. And you know how much the jail population loves child murderers.
Jeezus H. Christ!!!! Who the hell could even think to vote no that both these cocksuckers don’t rot in hell??? Perhaps you should sustain just one of the injuries this poor child did and then see how you feel about it.
I hope both of these pieces of shit die a slow, excruciating death!
And we have it folks!!! The winners of the Parenting Skills of The Year Award!!! Why these two have proven how ingenious one can be in the face of a medical adversity. They proved themselves to be incredibly quick thinking and resourceful. With nothing more than some moldy thread and a rusty leather needle they managed to successfully give this one year old the only snake tongue in his pre-school class. Just imagine how thrilled all his friends would have been if he’d lived long enough to stick out both his tongues.
What’s more, they even managed to increase space for his young mind to grow in an effort to allow him to learn tongue tricks even earlier in life, all with a blunt object and cracking of the skull. Who knew these two were not only successful Plastic Surgeons, but also Neurosurgeons?
Then, to top it all, as if any parent is even close to being on their level already, these two prepare this young little boy for life as a Navy Seal. Yes, they taught him how to put mind over pain and show him what he really can handle. After all, nobody ever died from broken ribs and arms!!!
Now, for our Grand Prize Winners we have an all expenses paid trip to the wonderful Gurney Lounge. Here you will enjoy the company of individuals such as Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson as you leisurely stroll the grounds of this fine state run institution. Meals will be provided in our world reknowned cafeteria, famous for Shit on a Shingle and Powdered eggs. What’s more, you will have your very own personal attendant to assist you in pain management via your very own broken ribs and cracked skull. And should you become accustomed to such treatment he will always have with him his very own handy Taser, to ensure there is always an electric moment in your life.
Finally, last but definitely not the least important, I’d like to introduce you to Bubba, your very own personal hubby. Why Bubba enjoys Domination and Water Sports. He leads the league in issue the most Golden Showers in a single hour to his Bitch.
And for that special Mommy, we haven’t forgotten your love life either. Why for you we will provide your very own fire hose inserted with full pressure on. Yes, you will finally fill that void in your crotch as you are cleansed and made to feel firehose fresh.
Rot in hell both of you!!! Yeah, I said it!!
lmao!
i love it. can i be the girl who stands around displaying the prize like on “the price is right”?
The job is yours Eternal. Just be careful with that firehose.
Sounds like these two made money by havingthe children – weather it be welfare, tax deductions, etc…. HAVING children is profitable, parenting is not.
Nothing was mentioned of the fate of the other child…..
I am 41 and just had a heart attack, and Kyle looks shittier than I do…………
The ony people who deserve to be in a deeper and hotter spot are the defense attys and anyone who thinks he does not deserve hell.
Let the GP know about him – forget a formal death sentence – they cost too much.
They were not making money from the kids via welfare. Money was not an issue.
To be honest, most of why Kyle looks shitty is because he had horrible acne as a teen. It was really bad.
So the Meth usage had nothing to do with his appearance? Maybe all the alchohol played a part?
I know why he looks so shitty, because he’s a piece of shit child killer.
And your right Closest, they probably weren’t making money from Welfare, then they will have just chopped the tongue out of the Golden Goose so to say.
So, who are you Closest, that you know so much about this?
I’m curious about your choice of pseudonym. why closet? closet what? Probably not homosexual, since there isn’t any real stigma attached to being gay nowadays (nor should there be). My 1st guess was moron, but after a little thought I realized that didn’t make much sense, since in a case like that, chances are only the moron himself actually doesn’t know he’s a moron…It’s old news to everyone else. I guess it refers to your status as Law Enforcement, which I found REALLY disappointing considering how much sympathy you have for Kyle the Wonder Penis. Then again, you aren’t the first cop to be duped by a perp, and you won’t be the last. You guys are only human.
Um ok? What did I do? Have feelings? Disbelief? WOW human emotions!
Can you even read? I’m real dissapointed you can’t read and try to comment.
And danger, yes, no meth for him for over 2 years, sad but true.
Danger- what do you mean who am I? You want my real email adress or some shit? yeah ok.
Well Closest, at first “who are you” was in regards to what is your relation. But since your offer, I’ll take your badge number, police department your work for and so on. Thanks for offering and your cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated when we meet up face to face.
As far as Kyle’s meth use goes. You state he was clean for 2 years. Wow! Let’s throw this boy a party and color me pink. By golly geez admin this one was a saint and we should set him free. Why he moved from meth to baby killin’. Now baby killin’ is a lot better than meth, ain’t gotta rob nobody to kill a baby.
Grow up closest. He’s a methhead. Once a junkie, always a junkie. If I had my way we would execute all methheads, crackheads, heroine addicts, cocaine idiots and speed junkies upon site. Cheaper to carry them by 6 than to convict them with 12.
Um, Max, it’s closest, as in he who is most near.
Oh shit. Well color me fucking stupid. Thanks for not ridicule me the way the way I deserved CLM. I owe you one :>))
That’s all right, Max-you’re one of my favorites.
Yeah, he was the “closest” thing this child had to a possible saviour, and he fucked it up. Turned a blind eye and enabled his mate instead.
Exactly, Amy.
Closest = Kyle Coopers Ass Fishing Pond
Missing Kyles pole in your pond there closest?
Wow closest, I’d expect a more intelligent response from a man of your position. I guess I was wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt in my earlier ‘closet’ post. Like most lowlifes, when your hackles get up your true colors come out. Only a fucking coward insults a woman the way you just did, & I’d really like to belt you in the mouth for it, but sadly, that’s not possible. You’d be the type to hide behind your badge anyway, and I have too much respect for the uniform to deal with you like that.
Amy as he stated before, he did not see abuse.
Hmm, well before you start putting in your two cents worth, maybe you should read each and every post. Closest admits that he had suspicions. He knew thigs were not right, but felt that it was not his place to investigate things further.
Apparently we got the job description wrong. His job as a police officer was not to protect and serve. It was to hide his head up his ass and hope someone else would act on his suspicions. His role as a friend to Kyle though, was spot on. He defended his friends actions faultlessly. Pity that poor little JB didnt have a friend like closest when he was being systematicly beaten and his tounge sewed up.
Distr8ed, the cops didn’t see who backed a moving van up to my house… I didn’t see it… But they figured it out and the POS’s are rotting in jail…
I’ve got a 12 year old who used to say… “You didn’t see me do it!” That doesn’t mean you can’t prove your suspicions.
If you are a member of our society, regardless of your profession, you have an obligation to protect those you come in contact with, especially our children. There is no excuse for not acting in JB’s best interest. No excuse whatsoever.
Another instance of two people who ‘Should’ die, but will not. I’m sorry, but in a case with all the evidence, confessions, I’d rather live in a country where people like this are exterminated(they don’t deserve better terms) so that I can know atleast we are weeding through them, making it a little safer for the masses. One, if not both will walk free. They may serve a little time, but b/c this country can’t afford to keep people in prison long, just as they can’t afford to pay DHS dept. enough on the budget to actually do their job correctly, or create and enforce stricter laws when it comes to childcare, this will continue for ages to come. But let’s Bailout the Mortgage industry and Spend multimillions on The elections! That’s really what matters in our govt. I pray for the older child, and I think God has already answered the younger ones. Just imagine daily how many cases of this severity and worse that do not get caught and posted!
Lane,
I couldn’t agree with you more. Here is a link to a local case that broke a few days ago.
http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/29652404.html
Just another day in the USA, eh CLM? Thanks for the link…At least I enjoyed the picture of ?dad? with his hung low in obvious shame. I hope he never forgets that feeling. Unfortunately mom seems to be still holding her head up.
Can you feature this story admin?
admin It’s a possibility.
Yeah Admin, how about it? It’ll keep it fresh and keep people coming in.
OMG this is the 1st time a story on this site has actually made me want to inflict torture! I can’t stop thinking about the tounge! Horrible. This is a horror movie. How sore and swollen it must have been all week! Poor thing. Just barely biting a taste bud on your tongue is torture. :o( What a bitch! Bitch mother (and crazy baby killer man)! I don’t care who he was Closest look at what he was CAPABLE of! PLease you are not Loomis! Get a grip. I hope something more interesting happens to you. Plus (you) that cop guy, makes me sick. You remind me of a serial killer bastard. (just a vibe I get, fuck you! I do not even feel you are sticking up for the criminal, and I still want to just say fuck you. Serial killer bastard!) F.Y.I. “vibe” in my words describes a feeling I get from another person. They are unexpected and may or may not be true. Some of you may believe my vibes to be true from time to time. So there ya go. Take it or leave it. Came to me peeps. ‘Closest’ not a good vibe, stay farthest from me. Not even feeling the need to explain. However thanks for crushing the overwelming shock factor from the horrid story, by being over welmed by the creepy vibe from you.
Im big on the “vibe ” thing iris. Some call it gut instinct, mothers intuition…i always trust mine. The times i have ignored it ive landed in deep shit.
Fuck you. Vibes huh? The vibe I get from you is lonely and confused. FYI “vibe” is called intuition and you seem to have none. My little pinky has done more for the world than you ever will. Well it looks like it’s your turn, you said you are ready to torture now. We will see your pic soon bitch.
Your pinky has done more for this country than Amy’s entire body. Hmmm, your probably right on that one as she’s an Australian you dumb fuck.
I’ve got the urge. The urge to inflict upon closest some hurt.
LOL please. I knew it. This is your peer group. You are one of these shitbags just like the pics posted here.
That’s where your off on your knowledge closest. While I have the urge, I control it. See the difference? No, you probably wouldn’t, your to busy with your little fantasy world of being a cop, in college (I think that your saying your a security guard) who served in Iraq and Africa. Hey, where in Africa did you serve?
Yeah, I’m calling your lies out into the open.
Closet, I set myself up to be mistaken. If you care you can actually read some of my other comments and know where I was coming from as Amy did. (Thank you Amy.)
Allow me to explain…..
I am not actually “ready to torture” alot of people on this site joke around a bit. I believe we call it sarcasm. In fact I am an advocate in doing the right thing. And focusing your energy on doing something postive to help people that the JUSTICE SYSTEM (like yourself) can’t. And your right about the “hatred” thing. I do have hatred. Wow, it’s kind of cool that you noticed. I am taking that as a huge compliment. However I only hate people that do actually hurt children.
But thank you for your comments because I think I got a strong strong peak into your real mind. Talk smack, go ahead. I say things as I feel them. With you I felt “Serial Killer”. And from your reaction, looks like I got it right again. As far as the “lonley” thing goes…I wish I had more time to myself. This site gives me that for about 15 minutes, “thank you very much PYSIH.” I actually do not feel the need to defend myself either to someone like you. I am however actually finding satisfaction in pointing out how wrong you are “AGAIN” about people. And how “RIGHT” I am. If you used intuition “like I do” then you would not have failed on the poor little baby boy of whom you saw his fucked up “didn’t want to be” father the weekend before. I would not be so fucking proud of that fact. I am proud of that I am not afraid to call it as I see it about someone like you! Call it what you want it. I also think it is disrespectful to anyone reading this story to talk about how you mostly hate the mom and the dad may have in fact not have done this! ???? Get fucking real. This guy you know is MONSTEROUS. He lived with this child. If I even saw this child for one second I would have snacthed him up and dialed 911. (Oh shit, then your fucked up ass would have shown up and stuck up for the POS father, because you “Hate the Bitch”) Anyway, the guy was MONSTEROUS no matter what his involvement was. This child was “tortured”. F OFF. Who cares who you knew. Do your job and if you want to do anything good for the world with your other “PINKY” be an advocate not just a Police Officer. Watch Law & Order Special Victims Unit or something to inspire you. Actually care and do something. You being such a WISE one should know DHS is not good for shit either.
This will probably be my last post.
Just to clear some more additional things up I suppose.
First off. I really am a police officer. I was not involved with the case or currently serving. I am in college now. Second, I think the hatred coming from Amy, Danger Zone, and Max is unnecessary. I honestly do not care because you people seem just as bad from your words. You can focus all the anger wherever you want, it’s your life.
I think it is slightly insensitive but oh well. I have to deal with this more than you ever will but Fuck all of you anyway. That’s right. Fuck you.(to hell yourselves)
The fact that you frequent these forums says alot to me. You love this sick shit. Why else read about. It’s fucked up, I am only here because of this one case, but this is your fantasy world of criminals these are YOUR heroes! Hate all you want.
I do admit I am slightly biased because I do know him but who cares. I’ve never seen him hit anyone in 9 years. I knew her for 2 months. blah blah….
Danger – I think your an asshole and uninformed, yep. And Amy is a sadistic whore. There it is.
Fuck off, do what you want. Threaten me I dont care. I didn’t see any abuse.
I’ve done my share of saving lives. I have saved quite a few. 2 tours in middle east, I spent time in Africa to help people.
I had no idea, so fuck you all once again. Where were you guys in Africa or in Iraq, YOU KNOW THE ABUSE IS GOING ON THERE! IN AFRICA, kids are dying and you guys do nothing.
I vote HELL for everyone. What a fuckin joke. Good luck guys having fun filling your minds with this garbage. I wrote Kyle off before this all went down. I got enough problems of my own. Don’t you guys? Why arent you saving lives?
And whiteiris? Your weird and full of hate, I’m sure you’ll be on this site soon.
So the real world you guys might want to check in on is available. Put down the mouse and log off. This shit is getting to you guys bad. Let’s hate everyone. Wow someone who knew the guy, let’s hang em. WTF?
What am I suppose to do if I don’t see any abuse. Kidnap? Make false claims? Break into their house? Set up a surveillance camera?
Hello? All with no suspision of physical abuse but some neglectful situations I had noticed?
SO I was supposed to go there everyday and deal with this crazy bitch and Kyle to babysit them for their whole lives. Ok, your right I failed because I could have been hiding in the bushes the whole time. Please!
Fuck you guys really. I played with this baby when they arrived. I held it. I have kids. Fuck you some more. The fact that you guys are arguing about coulda woulda shit is irrelevant. Where were you after Sept 11. I was heading to boot camp. Where were you when my friend exploded from a IED? We needed more people there? You could have been there? Fuck off.
Kids are dying right now in Africa, where is your plane ticket? You know it is happening and DO NOTHING!
I admit, the fact I posted here and revealed that I was within this circle of people makes me a target obviously. But you evil people are the false accusers towards myself and have no sympathy for me and my family and all the people who knew them.
Are you crying about it, sleepless nights? STFU because a lot of people are. We just didn’t know!
I actually do feel sympathy for you closest.
I feel sympathy for all those who knew them and really didnt know about the abuse. I know from experience how hard it is to face the fact that someone you have known, someone you have cared about and invited into your circle of family and friends, is a child abuser.
Its hard to reconcile the person you know as a child abuser. To remember all the good times that you spent with them and have to mesh those memories with someone who would either harm a child or stand back and do nothing while a child was harmed.
You came into this forum saying that Kyle is a close friend of yours and that you spent a lot of time with him. Now you say that you had distanced yourself from him and didnt see any abuse. But you also say that you had your suspicions. ( suspicions should always be acted on…better to be safe than sorry.)
We hate poeple who abuse children. We come here, to this forum to talk about how much we hate them. I especially hate people who abuse kids, as i was abused as a child. I said in a previous post that i sympathise with your position and offered the advice that, as we are an angy mob, maybe you should refrain from visiting this forum. Instead you resorted to not just defending your friend, and yourself, but also you called me a whore. Maybe you should go back and re read my posts. None of them were “full of hate” towards you. They were full of hate towards Kyle and Kimberly. Yes, i am angry that you keep defending him when the truth is right there in front of you. But i also understand that you are in denial and cant face what your friend has done.
Not a bad arguement Closest, maybe you really are a cop. And I do not blame you for thinking I am wierd. I figured you would feel that way. I did actually call you a serial killer for no reason. You do have the wrong idea about most of us though. At least speaking for myself anyway. You actually have no idea who I am or what I have done for this “world”. As much as I would like to prove you WRONG again. Some things to me are too personal to discuss on the WWW. In fact I would just bore myself to death like you have closest if I sat around listed off what I do for the world. I do however find amusement in dropping my opinion on POS that commit crimes on innocent people. I believe most people call it “READING THE PAPER” . The paper and news are actually worse you fill yourself with 50 articles a day of horrible shit happening everywhere! The you have to drive to work thinking Wow, that was some crazy shit. On this site you actually get to capture that thought in time. I think it’s cool. Call me crazy, call me wierd… What ever. I do support Africa anyway, I love Bono, The Gap, and Oprah. (wink). I just hope you do realize that I am thinking “Reality” and not everyone gets the opportunity to get dropped off if “Africa” or ” Iraq”. All though I am sure the kids that are getting beaten by their parents wish they could. I focus my time, energy, and efforts, on saving them. “Kids” here, in the US (in my opinion that was too much information about myself). Just want to point how WRONG you are AGAIN. I am not a looser on a blog all tweeked out and wierd with nothing else to do. You however need to find a new mission to envoke. Irag and Africa are not going to fall on your door step. Hide in that bush next time. Make that your mission. Hell think about this comment next time you find yourself in that situation again. Be crazy, insane, mad, about protecting kids.
Hey closest. Let’s settle a few things right off the bat.
1. After September 11th you were headed to bootcamp. Did you serve 2 or 4 years? Yeah, it’s an important question. Why? Because that means you were probably about 18 when you went to bootcamp, in 2001. Got out when you were 22 in 2005. Now your in college. But wait a police officer too?
Can someone else please do the math, I’m just a financial analyst and not good with numbers. I’m guessing this guy is 25.
Now, where was I on September 11th? I was on the I-480 on my way to work when the 2nd plane hit. I was with my family when the towers fell.
Go ahead, think what you want. But, in 1989 I joined the US Navy. I was in Kuwait and helped pushed Iraqi soldiers out.
As far as Africa goes, I could give a care less. I’m a firm believer in the Monroe Doctrine. Personally, I think it should be limited to our own borders and not the entire western hemisphere.
I’ve done my tours and defended this country. I stand ready to defend her again today if I am called upon.
To call Amy a whore is ludicrous because a whore is someone who charges for sex. Amy gives it away quite happily to the man she loves. Actually, I think she’s proud of the fact that she gives her body freely to him. Damn, she’s not even a slut. Sorry Amy, I know that hurt, but it’s true.
Whiteiris is not even close to being the scumbags like Kyle and Kimberly who earn a place on this site. I really suggest you take another moment to read closer.
First, we are all quite educated and angry. Second, you say you have been in Iraq yet you yell at us for practicing the very rights you swore to defend? You are a hypocrite. Nothing more and nothing less.
You say your a father and you held and played with this child. This abuse went on long term and you never noticed. You are blind and ignorant and you definitely do not deserve to be a father if you can look yourself in the face each morning. Instead you are a coward who would rather defend his ass pond buddy than to face the facts that he is a scumbag perp.
And yes, if your a cop, then it is your job to babysit the innocent. To protect the weak, to defend those who are incapable of defending themselves. And if that means you have to sit in the bushes to do it, then God Damn it you sit in the bushes.
Your not a cop. Your not a police officer. You are nothing, to me or anyone else on this site. We at least put garbage at the curb. Your just litter on the side of the road, not even worthy of being put in a bag and hauled away.
Thankyou Danger. A girl likes someone to stand up for her every now and again. Chivalry is alive and well in PYSIH today. If im a whore then the pay is crap…what do i get in return for my “services…”
extra washing to do and meals to cook, a man whos snoring keeps me awake most nights, the extra cost on my health insurance…hmmm…like i said, crap pay.
Because the truth hurts huh Amy. Throw that pussy around some more and maybe you can pop out a few more kids who’s daddy will leave just like all of yours have done. Your credibility is none and you remind me of Kim. That’s what she was doing. It’s like you and her are the same bitch. She even told Kyle she was pregnant(a lie) so he wouldn’t send her back home.
Sounds like something you would do, I just get one of those “vibes”.
I laughed at your post clostest. Most of the poeple who come on here defending their POS mates tend to resort to this type o behaviour once they realize that they nare wrong.
Its hard to admit that you fucked up. Hard to admit that you could have done something…anyhting to save that child from a tourturous death. And i understand that that because of that you will try to deflect the balme for your lack of action and make it about anyone other than you and your bum buddy Kyle.
Its hard to be a man….i understand how bad it must feel to fail at it. Let alone failing in your duty to protect and serve. Man, that must feel like shit.
Go see a shrink and get some fuzzy, feel good therapy to make you feel bbetter about your terrible failure.
Dude, closest. I do not feel so bad about the “weird” comment in reference to me now. You are one hateful son of a Bitch! How dare you act like a good guy and then talk to a woman like that. No wonder why you let kids die, you are one eveil son of a bitch. You my non friend are totatally not like us. Who are actually are not hateful, quite the opposit really. And I think that is the whole point. You know, maybe I was wrong about the Serial Killer thing. You are a Pirate! A dirty stinky one, that always gets killed. Sparrow! Finish him!
Everything you said is wrong. Your numbers are way off and you still suck cock.
later guys I got better things to do than deal with this whore and this idiot.
Ok I was supposed to drop everything in my life to babysit some guy I barely talked to anymore because you said it was the right thing to do. Fuck you ..You are an idiot. Are you serious? Have fun in your angry hateful lives.
You said yourself, kids are dying and you don’t care. I vote hell for you bitches.
You really are uneducated Danger and a wannabe. Your math is off, your arguments hold barely any facts and you are just plain “special” it seems. It’s cool man. I do feel bad for talking shit to a retard now after reading your posts.
Analyst huh?
1+1=2 right?
I see no abuse = I can’t do much (is reality)
but….
I see no abuse = I intrude everyday find reasons to send these people to jail(is your reality)
Your logic is a fucked up 1984′ish world, your logic takes away from our rights.. Your an idiot.
Hypocrite huh? OK sure. I’m surprised you can even spell or know more than a 1st grade vocabulary. Amy is a whore, all these kids with different dudes, ok not a whore just a slut.
I have 4 kids. My first is from a one night stand. I admit it, I am bad, I got a girl pregnant that I wasn’t married to. Does that make me a slut too? I’m hoping it does.
Your avoiding the fact that you have no real logic.
If my arguments hold hardly any math then why are you responding to them closest. The more I look at this, and see how angry you get, the name calling, the sexist statments and so on, the more it reminds me of Kyle Cooper. Is this you Kyle? Or is this his boyfriend? I’m beginning to think the term ass pond is one you hold very dear to your boxers when it comes to Kyle.
Now, as far as math goes. Your kind of right. 1+1=2 is correct in basic math. But, 2+2=5 in calculus. How is this so? Just a little calc joke you can go look up.
Moving on: If you are a cop then yes you are sworn to protect the innocent. If that means you have to babysit them, then that is what you do. Don’t like the job. Don’t take it. As far as your argument that he was someone you hardly saw anymore: Well, your arguing far to hard for that one to hold any water.
Just curious, before this post, where did I do any math?
If your a cop closest (hence you no longer deserve a capital “C” for your title) then you are guilty of dereliction of duty, gross indifference leading to homicide and capital murder.
You failed to protect this child you yourself have stated in other posts that you held and played with. The abuse went on for months and you did nothing. Keep trying to defend that which you can’t defend.
One last thing. Knock off calling Amy a whore and a slut, it’s not really becoming of you and if you keep it up I’m going to kick your ass in person. Cop or no Cop.
Amy is a 2 dollar whore actually. You guys started the hate against me so fuck off. I tried to keep it professional, but apparently you are so dumb and hateful that this was the only way to talk to you(on your idiotic level of thinking)
You couldn’t kick anyone’s ass seaman.
1+1=10 also, a little joke for you moron.
Have fun sucking dick.
I am only responding now because I enjoy the fact that I am affecting you emotionally. You are a weak mind. You live in an imaginary world of no logic. You just want to hate and pass the buck. You want to show you really care but you don’t. You just seem lonely and unwanted.
SO you are saying I can’t say stuff but you can and you state freedom of speech as paramount. You are no longer retarded. Now you are a complete joke, a hypocrite and a brainless semen LOL.
SO weak. SO stupid and SO gay.
You failed at life.
I failed at life. Hmmm. That’s an interesting thought process there closet ass pond. I’m still not buying that you hardly saw the guy, your way to emotionally involved in this.
Ooh, aren’t you the man’s man. I hope you act more proffesional when you wear the badge, but that’s really bullshit, isn’t it. No police officer would act like a 13 year old in public the way you arer right now. The “closest” you ever came to a real badge was the one they gave you at the rent a cop store when you worked at the mall trying to bust teenagers for shoplifting and made hysterical attempts to impress prepubescent little girls. What a fucking loser. You and Kyle the wonder penis deserve each other.
I have five kids closest. The father of the first two was the man i lost my virginity to.
The father of the other three was the second man i ever slept with.
After that i had a ” relationship “with another man, but it was a re bound thing. Now i am married, and we wont be having any other children as he was rendered infertile after an accident while on fire duty for our local fire department.
I have never been unfaithful to any man. That makes a total of four men in 34 years that i have had sex with . There were two fathers. I dont even get child support, so there goes the “getting paid” theory.
Maybe you should get out your dictionary and look up the word whore.
While your at it look up “insulting prick’. It has a picture of you.
I would love to be called a “whore”.
What’s your problem?
You whore Turtle;)
Besides your opinion Closest on making someone a “slut” just because she has a kid from more then one dad shows how evil and crazy you are. People get divorced, especially ones that like to make good decisions for their kids when “Mom and Daddy” don’t get along any more. The eventually those people fall in love with someone else and Bam you have two kids! Gosh Closest you are forcing me to treat you like a 1st grader. Anyway, you are just giving me more proof that I was right about you being an EVIL SOB…I called it out when you where still playing nice. In fact guess what Closest I think the whole, slut- more then one dads thing to AMY was the most Hateful, Evil, out of context, not even close to the real point of blogging, weird person in left field, ACTUALLY lonley, and you actually need to get a life of REALITY, and the most fucked up comment I have ever read on this site! I am an optimist actually, so THANK YOU for giving me something to reply to you crazy fuck.
Thanks iris. I must admit i was shocked by his comments about me, but i generally dont let stuff like that get to me. I know im not or ever will be a slut. I also know that he resorted to those comments because he felt he could not “win” any other way.
It wasnt a shit flinging competition though. It was about how he could not see how he was enabling a child abuser/murderer.
At the end of the day it was he who lowered his standards ( not that i think they were very high to start off with) and i did not. Its called ” taking the higher ground.”
;)
This is it? This is what you are so proud of? Is that a whole paragraph? Did you go to school? Do you know how sentence structure works?
“Anyway, you are just giving me more proof that I was right about you being an EVIL SOB…I called it out when you where still playing nice”
OK at least you admit you guys started it. I started on the “higher ground”, Amy. So shut the fuck up.
Did god’s grace smile down upon you whiteiris when you attacked me first. I bet he is so proud of you. Praise jesus! the enabler of hatred!
Ouch! laughs my ass off!
How do you survive in this imaginary world? Sit in the bushes? I barely had enough gas money to even go to his house.
But really? How did you m ake it this far Danger? The little yellow school bus driver must have been kinder to you than the other retards.
What? Your a cop (Police Occifer) and you can’t even afford gas money? I thought the department put gas in the Police Car for you. Besides, don’t you Occifers usually siti in the bushes and peak through windows?
Wow, must be tough being a cop who has to ride his 10-speed to the crime scenes.
I can see it now:
Stop or I’ll have to keep pedaling!!
LOL, your so stupid.
Oh I forgot you can’t read or follow facts.
Entertaining. When do I get to jerk off?
Yeah, right, he’s a cop….And I’m the fucking Pope, or wait, I’m Napoleon, you’re the Pope, aren’t you Danger? And Amy is Marie Curry…
It’s so much fun to pretend…..
Since I’m The Pope, can you guys get me a new Popemobile. This one looks really fun and the bubble distorts my vision. Maybe that’s why I can’t seem to read as well as closest.
Your dope Danger. As in “Cool as Hell”. Just had to say. Nothing creative to say back :o). Closest wore me out. I actually like Christian nut jobs. You guys are nice! Me like nice. Maybe you should become a Christian Nut Job Closest, you need a PATH changing real bad! Real F-ing bad! PATH change.
Danger it all makes sense now. Your a fuckin christian nutjob. No wonder your logic is fucked up. I bet you believe the world is only 4000 years old.
It all makes sense now really. I knew you were weak minded. Have fun suckin Jesus’s cock. Why didn’t god save the baby? Or jesus? Looks like your savior failed again.
Danger I’m sorry. Jeebus loves you. LOL
Doesn’t christianity promote procrastination and sloth? Let’s all wait around for some imaginary thing to solve all the problems.
Hey. What was Kimberly like?
LoL
Yes closest Jesus Loves Me, this I know, Cause the Bible tells me so. Little ones to him are weak, but he is strong. Yes, Jesus loves me, Yes Jesus loves me, Yes Jesus loves me, Cause the Bible tells me so.
I’m sure Jesus could love you too closest. You just have to repent of your idiotic thought processes and grovel at the foot ofthe cross for forgiveness.
Remember, I’m the Christian Nut Job Pope.
I think that will be my new name.
Just a note from this Christian Nut Job. Blasphemy is an unforgivable sin. Your not allowed to deny or insult God and Jesus Closest.
I’d tell you to repent, but again, it’s unforgivable.
Stoke those fires.
Blasphemy is what all the cool kids are doing. Join the club. Your obviously the follower type.
Check out my reply above reply to Closest… It is bomb. Yes, I am that geeky tonight, and I am actually asking you to read my above reply to Closest…It is bomb. :o)
Good job. You get extra credit.
Very Good Iris…Once closest gets someone to explain it to him (The guy isn’t very bright you know), he’s gonna be bummed. Of course, he may call you a whore, but thems the chances we take when dealing with people of his caliber *laugh*.
He’s such a putz…
I know what the hell! In fact I typed the word “wore” in an above comment and it’s like I am traumatized. The word “wore” reminded me of “whore”! Scary. I thought cops were supposed to protect us against guys like “Closest”. My cities police department kicks your cities police departments ASS! You suck as a cop!
Awesome job WhiteIris. Straight to the point and clear.
Hey Max, how many kids are you saving? http://www.peacecorps.gov
I don’t see your name on the roster. They are dying, what are you going to do.
nothing maybe?
More than you are darlin’, and I don’t have to make it up as I go along either. Plus I don’t have to justify why I didn’t step in before a little toddler was tortured and abused. BTW, I love the childish logic you use to justify your name calling and generally childish behavior. “Well you guys started it” is kind of like something I remember my kids saying whenever they fought with each other, you know, they way sibling are prone to do. I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard “She started it!” But they were 8 and 9 years old – What the hell is your excuse? Do you think if you insult us enough we’ll all break down and absolve you of your responsibility in this nightmare. You came in here and announced how your involvement, and now you’re pissed off because people like Danger Zone, whiteiris & Amy didn’t fall on their knees and worship you because you had inside knowledge. Instead, they asked questions, uncomfortable questions that YOU couldn’t answer. Now you hide behind a temper tantrum and tell yourself none of this is your fault. Well guess what dickbrain, there’s blood on your hands sure as hell, and it doesn’t wash off, no matter how much denial you carry around with you. That’s something else I have on you…my hands are clean, and I’m betting so are my friends’
So run along, I hear the mall is calling. They’re short a rent-a-cop and the junior high kids got out of school early. If you hurry you might get a chance to mace a couple of 13 year olds – just the thing to make a loser like you feel like a man again after you’ve taken your daily ass kicking in here.
Lies. More than you is a sellout answer. You don’t care. You avoid the fact and distract the readers by adding more hate. What did I make up? Your just lost for words because I do volunteer and you sit on your ass, darlin’.
also, dickface, if he was such a decent person why “did you decide to write him off” awhile prior to this horrible incident? what kind of problems a nice person like you could possibly have? STFU you stupid bitch
Because you volunteer makes you better than me? Well congratulations. I’m a little busy right now, raising my OWN kids. You’re a funny guy though. You keep asking what I think you made up. I thought I made it clear: I don’t believe you’re a cop, I think you full of shit. There’s no hate in my replies man, just the facts as I see them. That I get a reaction from you is good enough for me. Usually that’s a good sign that I’m not far from the truth. So here’s a suggestion: Read my previous reply again, and read it as what I believe, not a bunch of hate filled words. Let the words sink in (if you can stand it). It’s all there for you, all you have to do is let it bounce around that brain of yours and you might finally get why no one respects you here, why we all think you’re a joke, why you’re an endless source of amusement, and why we bait you every chance we get because we know you can’t ignore a comment. Wasn’t it 2 days ago you said you were done with this thread? Ah, but I knew you couldn’t keep silent. Gotta get the last word in, because that’s how you think you win an argument, ain’t that right? You’re a sad little man closest, and if I were you, I’d give up while I still had a little dignity. But nah, you won’t.
Your avoiding the facts Max. I have kids also. GO ahead and make more excuses why you refuse to volunteer. The only reasons I’m responding to you is because I am better than you. Plain and simple. I’m glad I keep you on suspense. Just another reason why you have no life.
I mean look at this website. Out of all the things you could be doing the contribute to the world, you choose to play the blame game. You read about this garbage and savor it. This is your world my friend.
SO believe whatever. It is funny. You are letting kids die and don’t care. Your kids are so important. sure. I bet you molest your kids. It’s not about the last word. It’s about that you are trying to hide the fact you pretend to care but don’t.
I am better than you, face it. child molester
*sigh* you’re hopeless….but I did predict you’d say you had kids too. It fits your pattern, as does the insult. Am I supposed to be angry? Sorry, can’t do it bud, I’m not like you. Let me ask you something? Why do you care what we think anyways? I mean, you have such low opinions of us, why should you give a shit. Is your self esteem so low that even our unworthy opinion of you matters? Like I said, you’re a sad little man….
Max The Cat , Turtle Mania. You guys are cool. Your names and attitudes make me feel like I am on Acid or something. (I am not, don’t be offended). It’s a compliment. :o) Good to be back. (wink)
Looks like the retards are coming together and teaming up. Let me get the popcorn.
You can twist whatever you want around but it still isn’t working.
Let me make this exactly clear. You people started the hate against me. Period! I came on here to add more facts but you guys insist I was involved. Drop the egos for a second.
I didn’t start gettting nasty until you guys pushed and pushed thinking I might have been able to do something. I couldn’t. That’s it. Within the last few months I only saw him like 6 or 7 times. It was more in the past but since she came I stopped coming around him. I typed this earlier but you guys still debate it. If you pay attention to the dates when these posts were made you will see this is 100% true.
When I did see him, I didn’t always see her or the kids. I saw them 4 times total. No one was hitting them. I also said that the last time I saw him was the weekend before this happened.
Second is that I have not lied about anything I said.
You guys are trying to act like heroes towards one another for social comfort and acceptance which I do think is pathetic. Out of all the places you could be using your talents(if you have them), you chose to make this your home. Hell welcomes you guys.
You guys kept attacking me so I fought back. Way to go peaceful christians. Way to go to be the judges. Christianity is the breeding pool for hatred, they have killed more in the history of man than any other religion.(in the name of your god)
I do not want to be part of your club. You guys are retarded, have no real logic, ignore facts, and seek recognition for evil. Let’s take a look at how proud you all are to have judged, criticisized, and attacked me BEFORE I even said anything bad to you.
It’s like fighting with a bus full of kids with disabilities.
Be proud all you want at the hate you do. It’s what Jesus would do. Your guys attitudes enable this kind of hate to go on.
So since you guys started it(the hatred), and now argue I am also bringing some hatred to the table, kinda sounds a little hypocritical. “Oh man, someone can meet us on our level” probably was the thought you guys recieved. Then you got scared and lonely and hurt. You throw up words to try to defend your actions because you know I’m right subconsciously.
Wow Whitiris must be a prostitute as well, she got so defensive didn’t she? I bet she likes DP and is optimistic for her shot at being the first to sponsor a homeless man gangbang. You called me a serial killer? Once again I didn’t start shit.
I gave up on Danger, he really is “special”. Nothing more really. I bet Kyle’s time in prison will be like Danger’s experience in the NAVY. Lots and lots of gay loving.
Amy you need a new site. After reading you sounds like the most normal but YOU did instigate towards me so don’t be hurt when you can dish it out but not take it.
No matter what, you guys can’t win at this. The fact I did not see any abuse confuses you I guess. It’s like you guys just don’t get it. Your stubborness has made you people blind and ignorant to real facts. Your egos say otherwise because you guys are lacking in something(many things), but sadly this is the truth also.
It’s funny watching you guys congratulate each other for hate. I see how it is. You guys envy people like Kyle and Kim. These people are doing the stuff you wish you could do deep down, I can see it in your words.
OK, clock is starting—-
A baby in Senegal is starving to death right now. What are you going to do? NOTHING
The world would have to stop for you guys to get off your fat lazy asses and turn the computer off. I will post link and pictures later.
So there it is. I don’t think you guys really care about kids dying. You’d like to think so but lie to yourselves as well as everyone else. Quit pretending you care!
So Danger says, the kid can die, he isn’t American.
Who is gonna say they don’t care because he is black …probably WHITE-iris(vibes you know)
You guys don’t care…. Straight to the point and clear.
At least in my case I didn’t know, YOU guys do. These kids lives are in your hands now, no one else is helping them. I can’t save all of them, you fuckers.
You guys make me sick. Wananbes. Let’s save the world one hateful blog at a time.
That is the extent of your powers little ones.
Have a nice day ;)
wannabe’s* typo :)
You seem to like this? I had a question for you but you seem to respond to the more colorful post.
Can you please answer my question?
Thanks.
TurtleMania reply on October 1st, 2008:
Hey. What was Kimberly like?
Now my curiosity is piqued too.
What WAS Kimberly like?
Why should I reveal anything more? Everything I say is taken out of context and you scavengers try to find personal details and twist them around.
Oh well,
Kyle met this chick on a phone dating service. She would never let him hang up thew phone. Everytime I saw him, she was on speaker phone.
He got some money together and had her get a bus to come up here. They ended up staying at the hotel.
Apparently that is where DFS was called on them first. I didn’t know why or who was involved but they told me about it. She got her kids back quicky I guess. I still havn’t met them yet.
When they moved to his parent’s house, I finally met her and the kids. I didn’t see nothing wrong nor did my wife. We were suspicious because he had mentioned the DFS thing but didn’t really see anything except some slightly neglectful situations.(Nothing crazy though) They weren’t obvious but me and my wife picked it apart after we heard.
Looking back things do look different but not much. There weren’t many clues.
Well Kim moved in and told Kyle she was pregnant. We knew she was lying and convinced Kyle that. He was pissed. He wanted her to leave.
His parent’s would not let this happen. She would not let him go anywhere, not even the gas station. I had asked him about possibly going to a concert and before I even stopped talking, she interrupted and screamed that “If I can’t go anywhere, Kyle can’t either”. (using her kids as the reason)
Everytime I went to see him since she came was less than 2 hour visits. Im serious. Sometimes she would bring the kids in, but most of the time I didn’t see them. Kyle’s mom lived there also. She could have been watching them we thought.
Well Kim manipulated Kyle’s parents. He wanted out. They would not let her leave. They were forcing him to be with her. Kim and his mom took his keys and phone.
It was too much for me so I stopped answering his calls.
I knew there was nothing I could report. I have dealt with abuse cases before. Even though I may have been the closest to Kyle, I was not to her or her kids.
I still find it hard to believe this happened. I still think she is the one responsible, but that’s my opinion. Like I said, if he did it, i have no sympathy.
I have my own problems. That situation was fucked up which I admit. But, there is nothing I could have reported. I know the laws.
She was looking for a handout. Kyle’s parents ended up being the caregivers. Kyle was caught in the middle.
Kyle did drink a lot recently though. He was miserable. He couldn’t even leave his own house. Kim and his parents would not let it happen.
DO i think he solely did it? Maybe. All I was saying way earlier before you guys started the blame game was, I think she did it.
From the start, she was a liar, control freak, and a crazy bitch. Me and my wife pleaded with him to send her back home to her crackhead family. HIS PARENTS WOULD NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!
I wanted my friend back but it was impossible. I was gone for years in the military and that’s when he married this other chick and had a baby and went to jail.
He had me fooled I guess. He got out earlier this year and was trying hard to have a normal life. It was the best I ever saw him doing.
Fuck you guys for real. You have no idea.
Anyways, the Kyle I grew up with died a long time ago. One man can only do so much. He changed so much and I was helping more than you ever would. I offered him a place to stay to escape that situation. SHE is the real evil here.
If he did do it, she drove him to it.
Obviously there is no excuse for beating/killing a child, but I truly think Kyle is happier in prison than his own home.
Why do you keep bringing up yellow school buses and retards? Why do you keep insulting religion? You do not know how to argue well Closest. I do believe the Hatred thing was 1st brought up in reference to me for calling you a Serial Killer
bastard….If not in this life one in the past.
Prostitute? Can you not concoct an actual real insult? I thought I made myself clear about not feeling the need to defend my self or as you put it “defensive”. I rather wanted to point out how fucking spot on I was about you. But your low IQ still disables you from understanding I was right. You go on insulting me. I am not a prostitute so that arguement stops there. Deal with it and change your ways. The words that come out of your mouth are trash who cares who you have helped. You are a filthy person. In fact I would say you actually owe all of us an apology. Let’s hear it.
Admin, is there a way to add spellcheck to the thread options?
admin – God no. We get enough “excessive CPU” suspensions as it is. I’d hate to get slammed every time someone can’t spell “consecutive.” Try Firefox and use the spellchecker on that. Very useful.
Here is something
http://pod01.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=60&nav=messages&webtag=kr-kctm&tid=44176
The kansas city star article.
One of the girls Kyle was seeing made a comment. She states she knew and his mom knew. “the other girl” is her nick.
I guess after they found her number on Kyle’s phone, they called her. She states that Kyles’ mom told her she knew Kyle was beating the kids. Be mad at them.
It’s like you guys don’t get it. There wasn’t anything I could have done.
Closest I am not sure what started all the anger towards you, yes I read all of the above, but other than saying “I DID NOT see any abuse, but I knew him probably the best I suppose. I worked with him to rehabilitate, I am a police officer. I honestly did not think he was into violence.” It seems you were attacked. I am not taking sides, I like this website and in some morbid way,like to see what the sickos of the world are doing today and if they got due justice…..
just thought I put my 2 sense in without any animousity. The focus shouldnt be you but towards the people who did this.
Closest, for spellcheck type it into word, spellcheck it, then copy and paste it into here if you have problems spelling.
Now, I have a couple of “Questions” for you. No blame, just curious as to how this was allowed to happen.
You are stating, and correct me if I am wrong, that they lived with his parents. Where were his parents while this was going on, specifically the tongue issue?
Why would Kyle not call EMT’s, cops, 911 or anyone when the child’s tongue got cut, or even after while it was suffering?
These are both extremely important questions in our minds, and in the minds of any judge/jury he’ll be in front of. The tongue is what has me the most upset. Have you ever bit your tongue? Remember the pain, I do. It’s excruciating. Imagine what it was like for this small child, severed tongue and then stitched up without any pain killers.
Your right, it sounds like your friend died a long time ago and the person who replaced him, while physically the same, was a severely different person. I apologize for crossing a couple of lines. Keep in mind I’m a father of 4 kids and will lay down my life repeatedly for them, so this is not something I can even begin to comprehend.
***Also, if you take a moment to read through the different threads on here, you’ll see we all stick to our guns are pretty straightforward on what we have to say. Now, I’ve apologized, I think you owe Amy & Turtle some apologies too.
I didn’t say anything bad to Turtle.
The only thing I’m sorry for is wasting my time here. You guys seemed interested in the story and I was attempting to give a bigger picture.
But, that’s when all the blame for this baby dying got shifted towards me. Fuck off.
You guys did start it! How the fuck can you blame someone like you guys did with no facts and wild assumptions!
Then when I get sick of hearing your evil words I fight back. OMG Now I’m evil? My words are unjustified? What a bunch of bullshit!
The only thing you guys have been straightforward with is how fucked up you all are and how persistent you have been in blaming me, badmouthing me, mocking my profession, assuming I was involved, and how insensitive other humans can be towards friends of the victims.
I said it before. His dad was a trucker! He was always gone. in 9 years I have seen him less than 15 times.
His mom is an internet junkie, desparate housewife and webcam slut. Neglect is her lifestyle. She hated Kyle. She always has, even as a kid. She is more worried about her fuckin chihuahua’s and her leathery tanned skin.
I appreciate trying to bring this back to a professional level Danger(Which I was doing in the beginning) Why could’nt you have asked this earlier without hatred? Actually I don’t care.
SO why?
That’s where we are stuck also. I’ve never seen Kyle fight anyone, but I heard he had beat his wife Crystal(mother of his son) often. I never met her. I spent almost 5 years in other countries while this was happening.
When he got out of prison he seemed like he never wanted to go back. He was staying clean mostly. He smoked ot off and on, but he had to take piss tests all the way until that weekend of Labor Day. He got off parole on Aug 29. The abuse happened that weekend. Maybe he did get high. I don’t know. He didn’t know anyone really anymore. No one ever visited their house.
My theory on the tongue is this.
One kid was older and could walk. I thought initially that they were being left in a room alone and maybe he dropped some scissors in the baby carrier.
But then I was thinking they said he fell in the garage. That is where we visited. We rarely went inside the house. The garage is cemented but at that angle it doesn’t make sense. Also, this kid barely had teeth coming in. It doesn’t add up.
What also doesn’t make sense is this. Why would Kyle even touch the kids. I never saw him interacting with them. If the baby was crying, he would have just went into another room. He woulda have told Kim to deal with it. He really did not want to be involved.
As bad as it does sound, I knew she didn’t take care of her kids. The things I saw weren’t reportable but were just plain weird.
For example, we are in the garage and the kid walks outside past to where we could see it. She didn’t notice or care. I went to watch him to make sure he didn’t go in the road and then she did something about it.
That’s the only clue I had.
From her attitude, she obviously resented those kids. That is why we thought she did it. After I called the police to offer help, my sister had called me and said she witnessed Kim hitting the 2 year old while they were at the motel. We all helped the investigation as much as we could.
Part of me thinks his mom was in on it. She is pretty fucked up.
Maybe Kim did it to shut the kid up. I am not joking that she is this crazy.
One theory I have is maybe they were purposely cutting the tongue. I saw somewhere that people split their tongues as a self deformity/tattoo/piercing thing.
Kyle is obviously a shitbag and I knew it. But, unlike most people, I still try to see the good in people. I wasn’t ignorant of the fact he was messed up, I just felt that I was the only one who could help him.
I know lots of people and live a very different life than Kyle but I could not offer the kind of help he needed. To be perfectly honest, he belongs in jail. He doesn’t know how to be normal(?).
Why he wouldn’t call?
They took his phone and his keys. Kim knew where they were. They had a housephone though.
What really gets me is this. If it was truly an accident, he never called me either. Believe it or not, I really do care and I know he trusted me. He might have been pissed at me for blowing him off though. It takes alot for me to deal with these kinds of people. I have worked as a prison guard also. I honestly strive to be around a higher caliber of people. At what point do you cut someone off when you know that their problems require constant attention?
Physical abuse though….That was a huge surprise. I thought the prior DFS was about neglect.
We were all very shocked.
I’ve been on stakeouts before. I’ve worked on child abuse/neglect/accidental death cases before. There was little suspicion though.
I’m not some punk kid wanna be cop you guys have claimed is true. I’ve dealt with real scumbags. You guys really have no idea on what evil really is.
It’s still a mystery. I still believe she was involved with the abuse though and not just a bystander.
Is there something I could have done with the evidence I had at the time. NO
Were me and Kyle best friends? Yes over 6 years ago.
Am I a real cop? Yes, but in the middle of changing professions.(a student)
Have I lied about anything on this site? NO
Was I professional until several members of this site started accusing and blaming me? YES
There it is.
Hey Closest. If you will refrain from the name calling/insulting then you will find us more than happy to talk to you. That’s not just towards me, but everyone.
Thank you.
I wouldn’t have started if you guys woulda stopped accusing me and discrediting me. You act like you people are innocent in insitgating this. Fuck off. Everyone should apologize to me first. I’m serious. Look at the dates on the threads. YOU PEOPLE SAID I WAS RESPONSIBLE! FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
hahahaha…You anger is showing, better get a handle on that occifer.
The child molester speaks..omg
I bet you sell your own kids to pedophiles on the sexual offender list.
LoL…and I own you. I can make you do a Irish jig naked on Main Street at high noon. You’re not very experienced at this internet thing, are you? I bet you go to bed thinking of things to write on this board.
lmao
fuck YOU, closet! YOU apologize to that baby for not stepping in when you knew there was a problem!
oh, yeah, you can’t because he’s dead. and the neglect by those claiming to be “closest” who did nothing to step in in his defense helped kill him.
Hey Max, can we put tap shoes on him and bells on his nipples as he dances that jig. I’m seeing a whole new website here.
http://www.nakedirishnipplebelljig.com
Imagine the number of hits we’d get bro…lmao!
I refrained in the beginning and you guys still treated me like shit. Quit lying!
You are right closest. I did say things that were unwarranred. I get angry when i hear about children being abused. Its the one thing in this world that can make me feel rage.
I guess you, being a friend of the POS and speaking on his behalf, were an easy target and i vented that rage in your direction, and for that i apologize. No excuses, just an apology.
Warranted…sorry, bad typing strikes again.
Nice!
you quit lying. if you didn’t know what was going on, you’re lying about being close; and if you did know and not help the baby, you’re lying about giving a shit.
Closest what’s up with the whole calling Turtle a “child molester”. That is just weird! Still yet another bad insult. Are trying to say you have a “Vibe” Turtle is a child molester? I am the only one that is aloud to have “vibes” around here. So I’ll give you my take on Turtle to help ya out a bit. Kind hearted….sweet…a animal actually comes to mind…The King of the Jungle. The Lion. ?? Don’t know where that cane from weird, but true (Turtle any relation to Lions?) Far from the “child molester” vibe. Don’t worry I got it covered. You can stop insluting now. It is called a fucking opinion and we are not aiming below the belt unlike you!
Actually, he called me a child molester. I’m like so hurt too.
Oh I need release. I need the following words, whiteiris. As I say them I gently stroke my face then I close my eyes…
“For those dark corridors hide my glistening nature and a departed buoyant mass lies there.”
No Max, that was me. And I called you a hand molestor, not a child molestor. There is a difference. :))
And while we did start off with the insults, i dont recall anyone calling you a whore, or a child molester. Those comments are way out of line.
I’m still curious as to why he did not use the house phone, which you said he had
I don’t know.
Looks like we could use another insider to fill in the blanks.
Factoid: If Kim got a short haircut she could be guy.
I don’t want her looking at me. I want to scoop her eyes out with my thumb. I want to cut circles in her face with a pocket knife. I hope we can find out more about her. It’s great to know I can find women like her using my phone. That’s a start. Thanks.
I’m curious as to what “closet’s” real stake in this is.
Straight up, closet. What’s your game?
How deep in are you, and what’s going to happen next?
Ok Closest. Maybe you don’t know why he didn’t call the cops. Could be because he partook, he’s a wimpy assed pussy whipped bitch, she held a dildo to his head. Not really sure and only he and the cunt scab can answer that question.
But, you did mention he did meth at one time. How long ago was this? Are you aware of the lasting effects of meth? Beyond appearance, that is.
Also, you said he was on parole/probation and had just gotten out of the joint, didn’t want to go back. What had he just gotten out for be accused of? (Yes, I’m using the nice term). Was it violent, non-violent?
We’re all pretty sure he deserves hell, but we also want to know what level of hell to give him. We wouldn’t want to improperly persecute any soul.
WTF? 9,412,025 words 350 hours…
Thanks for the correction on the child molester comment being for Max not Turtle. It is wierd while I was typing I was thinking “It was not said about Turtle it was about Max.” I even scrolled up to re-read.??But the whole Lion comment still came out about Turtle??? So I think the thought was meant for you Turtle. Do you look like the Lion from the wizard of oz??? Why Lion? Why you? Explain? Or could it be my mind was connecting Max the “Cat” with a Lion?? WTF. Darn it, I can’t get those kind of thoughts back! :o)
“For those dark corridors hide my glistening nature and a departed buoyant mass lies there.” (above comment from Turtle)- See Turtle you are sparkling ray of sunshine underneath it all. I can feel and see that my friend. :o)
Correct. I believe the lion inspiration was because of Max The Cat.
Tip for the day: Try drinking one glass of red wine per day to help you relax.
Oh, and I almost thought closest was enduring some form of “initiation” here in this blog.
I’ve been away from this blog for awhile, so if I appear “out of touch”, I do apologize.
Closest is not worthy of initiation. We would have to willingly want him around and respect him enough to spend our initiating. I do like men who call woman whores and sluts. And he my friend was not being “sarcastic” so no thanks to closest.
Wow I left out some very important words above!! “I do “NOT” like men who call woman whores and sluts.” Ok..time for the wine. I am leaving now. I left my fair share for now. :o) Where’s Mazzi? Hope to read your comments on my next trip to PYSIH.
See ya darlin’ :>)
Hey, what happened to closest’s “goodbye” post?
This message was a reply to that, but now it’s gone.
Strange goings-on at PYSIH……
Maybe closet was actually admin testing your online debating skills?
Oh shit, I hope I did OK. Although I suspect admin is a whole lot smarter than this guy was.
That’s comment #34 Max. Come on, you know we love to move your posts around so they make even less sense.
No man, really…this message was just the word ‘Goodbye’. That’s it.
I must have been seeing things again. LoL
no, i saw it too.
For fucks sake, it took a week and a half for this little boy to die from a split tongue, broken ribs, broken arm and a broken skull. Any one of the 3 could have called an ambulance or some one to come help. Instead they try to cover it up and stitch the boy’s tongue back together using some thread and a needle. Its pretty clear Kyle was the one dishing out the damage to J.B. and its also pretty clear Kimberly helped as well. Kyle’s mom knew of it and did nothing to stop it and as far as I am concerned Kyle’s mom helped by hiding the abuse and helped push Kyle over the edge. Its unclear why Kyle’s mother would call the CPS three times on him for his first wife Crystal , but do nothing about it this time. Unless her and Kimberly had formed a close bond like the blogger said. Kyle was pushed into a corner and came out swinging and J.B. was the one who paid and suffered for this. Kyle is a dirtbag sick fuck , Kimberly is a dirtbag sick fuck and Kyle’s mom as well , they all deserve Hell for this.
Charges pending :
Kimberly Helmes
Murder 2nd Degree { Felony A RSMo: 565.021 }
Endangering Welfare Of Child – 1st Degree { Felony C RSMo: 568.045 }
Kyle W. Cooper
Abuse Of Child – Resulting In Death { Felony A RSMo: 568.060 }
Murder 2nd Degree { Felony A RSMo: 565.021 }
Endangering Welfare Of Child – 1st Degree { Felony C RSMo: 568.045 }
Kyle also has a history of drug abuse and Adult Abuse :
According to the Missouri Department of Corrections, Cooper was in prison from December 2005 to Aug. 29, 2007, after his probation was revoked from a September 2003 conviction for leaving the scene of an accident.
Since his release, he had been assigned to a parole officer in Independence.
According to a Jackson County Circuit Court database, Cooper pleaded guilty in August 2005 to three county charges involving a controlled substance, drug paraphernalia and a weapon.
He also pleaded guilty in 2001 to stealing and was given two years probation. But that probation was revoked in May 2002, and he was ordered to serve 30 days in the county jail.
The court database also indicated that multiple protection orders had been sought against Cooper. ( exwife Crystal)
Other people who seemed to have a closer relationship with the family have spoken out on other websites , including the one closest mentioned. :
“can’t believe this story… on the other hand I can. I knew kyle personally and he has always been abusive twards those who can’t defend themselves. Such as his wife, or maybe ex wife by now Crystal. I witnessed it myself. …. Kyle has been a drug abuser for as long as I can remember and never cared about anyone but himself… As to Coopers parents… haha… he learned that abuse from his father…this by all means does not justify his actions.. but on the other hand that is why nothing was done by the ‘parents’ to stop this abuse. …..’ Ashlee Marie McDonough”
Here is another comment :
” Ive known kyle for about 4 months an knew his parents.My question is when kyle got caught cheating on kim his mother and kim called me an told me that kyle was abusive and beat her children…….
This Message is for kyles mom. U know who i am and im sure you remember calling me early in the morning telling me to come get kyle cuz u were kickin him out for cheating on kim! your own son! then you proceeded to tell me how abusive he was to those babies! You knew all along what was going on an you did nothing! you are sick. I promise u this. Lawyer up B****! cuz im standing up for those poor little babies. In my eyes U are worse than ur son becuz you watched an did nothing! Its time for you to join ur son where you belong!!!!! GET READY CUZ THERES GONNA BE A SURPRIZE WITNESS!!!!!!!!!!!! “
I hope occifer closest is reading this Taz. You have any idea who he is? I’d pay money to see his dumb ass squirming on the witness stand.
BTW, thanks for the great information on the loving couple. You absolutely cleared any doubt I may have had about these two vicious bastards. I hope you get your wish to drive a couple of nails in each of Kyle’s and Kim’s coffins.
Hope they all fry.
Funny that Kim was fine with him beating on her kid until he went elsewhere for sex. Selfish, selfish bitch.
He was allowed to hurt her child as long as he didnt fuck around. Jesus some women are scum.
closest says in a one of the many replys on message 23 that he has known Kyle for 9 years (since 1999 ). 9-25 = 16 , so that means depending upon kyles birthdate he was either 15 or 16 or years old when they met. Most Juvinile records are not available. Its possible they more likely met some time in 2000 when Kyle was charged with stealing. My bet would be, Closest was one of Kyles first Parole officers from things he has said.
case # 16CR00004513-01
Stealing { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 570.030 }
Date: 06/16/2000
Probation revoked/Defendant sentenced to 30 days JCDC. ( Juvinile ? Detention center ??)
Facility Name: PROBATION Agency: MO BOARD OF PROBATION & PAROLE
Classification: SUPERVISED
Outcome: PROBATION REVOKED
Start Date: 01/10/2001 Assigned Length: 24 Months Completed Date: 05/22/2002
That makes much sense bud, more sense than him being a real cop. You’ve been a big help to folks like myself whose hearts break every time we read about another dead innocent. Facts like you’ve provided can’t be argued with – they are what they are. Thanks….
I don’t know where to begin. I’ve been reading this site for a while, just perusing what appears to be the continuation of the damnation of the human race. I’ve read things that have made me sick to my stomach. I’ve read things that have left horrid images in my mind that linger when I’m trying to sleep, very much like the smell of a nutmeg rich pumpkin pie. However, nothing has left me in a state in the manner that this post has. I don’t even have a word to describe it.
I had to read it several times before I could really take it all in, hopefully representative of my own innate humanity.
Perhaps the part that bothered me the most was that in my mind’s eye, I pictured all of these things happening to my own son. I was filled with rage, like I’ve never felt before. I stared at the two pictures as if in some way staring at those pictures could transfer the anguish to those filthy souls and translate it into an emotion or feeling that would affect them in the same manner.
A week to die. A one year old child. Remote tribes in Africa are able to administer better medical care than this baby was given, without hospitals or even what western civilization would refer to as educated doctors.
I keep running through my mind how that baby died. Essentially, the baby died of starvation and/or infection from what I gather. I wonder if the baby noticed the hunger pains through the fractured arm, ribs, skull, and frankensteinian tongue stitches ?
I’m allergic to some anesthesia. I recently had a lumbar puncture cold turkey. It wasn’t fun to say the least, and I’m a grown man. The last time I checked, I had 32 years behind me to build up some degree of tolerance for pain. I can’t imagine how a 1-year old responded to what would be considered medieval torture carried out by two imbeciles, who on their best day can’t muster up the same consciousness and presence of mind as Cheech and Chong in Amsterdam.
Then I remember the name of this site. People You’ll See In Hell. The optimistio-logic (that’s a made up word) approach is think that there must be a People You’ll See in Heaven too. I would like to think we’d have a picture of this boy there.
I think about the life that kid had ahead of him. If that mother (I shudder at actually using the term for this woman) had found the baby in time, and had actually sought medical care, what kind of life would that kid have had?
We’d all like to think that Social Services would have removed the baby from the home, only to try his luck with any number of abusive, molesting foster parents or group homes(I’m sure I don’t need to present links..) Maybe he wouldn’t be one of the many subjected to drugs, gang violence or petty crimes escalating up to felonious endeavors. Maybe he would have found a decent family. Maybe.
Maybe they would have left the child at home afterwards. He would have been patched up by professionals instead of butchers. Maybe he would have spent another year before a leg was broken, or a cracked rib punctured his lung. Maybe he’d live for the next 15-17 years depending on the emancipation laws in that state with only minor injuries the way an NFL Quarterback dodges ACL tears, bulging disks and rotator cuff problems. Maybe there wouldn’t be any lasting injuries or permanent damage. Maybe he wouldn’t live to really understand what is happening to him, only to die after developing cognitive thought and an understanding of death. Maybe.
Maybe they would see the error of their ways, become born again Christians and praise their healthy baby boy. Maybe they would swear an oath to never harm him again. Maybe.
The fact is, if we lived in a world where we could take for granted the good side of any of those equations, then this site wouldn’t exist. The rap sheet and history (or what was presented) on both of these bottom dwellers suggests that no matter what course of action was presented to this child, it was going to be a tortured life, and as skeptics and scholars debate, perhaps the little boy would grow up to be just like Kyle.
Some of us might even say that death was a merciful act for this child, yet if so then why did it take so long to be delivered? What could a 1 year old have done to deserve such an agonizing death. I’m terrified of burning alive or drowing, and that takes minutes to die from. This baby weathered six to seven days of pain and suffering in a manner only concentration camp victims can empathize with.
The more I try to come up with an answer, the less I’m inclined to sleep, and the more questions I find.
There is no punishment we can legally bestow upon these two deserving individuals. At least none that would make me feel any better about this society. Life in Prison ? Death by injection ? Not good enough.
Even if we could take them, chain them up in a basement and torture them for the rest of our lives, it wouldn’t be good enough. Not even if there was a doctor present to bring them back to life every time every time we got too ambitious with their punishment.
I pray they realize the weight of their actions, but most of all I hope that boy is in a place in heaven where children without tongues can laugh and feel no pain.
Amen.
On a side not…you write beautifully. We need writers like yourself to keep this site going. ( SEE: A Note To Our Readers.)
Its not that we enjoy reading the horriffic stuff that gets posted here. We loathe it.
But we feel it gives us a place to vent our outrage at people who commit these atrocities. Many of us are surviviours of abuse. We want to make a difference.
If you are willing to help out, all you have to do is find a revelant story in the news, write about it and submit it to the admin.
Please think about it.
Ditto what Amy said. You have a real gift Firmitas et Pietas. I know more than a little bit about what it makes up a good article/essay, and what you just posted is very, very good, better than anything I can remember doing myself. I really do hope you get a chance to write for us.
Those who have not sinned cast the first stone.
If reading about horrific crimes is what makes one happy then go ahead. Let’s blame the world, right?!?!
Was Kyle a victim, if he is responding to his environment and doesn’t understand the decision making process and the mgaic it can have on the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS!, then who are we to judge.
I will still combat this hell judgement because Kyle will always be allowed in my heaven. The afterlife is void of time/space restrictions and I saw a genuine sincere friend and brother at one time. He will be in my(our) HEAVEN!
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skys from pain.
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?
And did they get you to trade
Your heros for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?
How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We’re just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl,
Year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found?
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.
(P.FLoyd)
What are you doing with your time? Judging other’s to avoid judging yourself? It does make a weaker mind feel better. I thought you were better than that…..
Forgiveness comes with an ability to view the past as a story to learn from, not a box to be caged in. FIx yourselves, then see who is to blame.
Oh that’s right, you guys know all the answers. Why we are here, what are we supposed to do and what happens after we die. I think this pride might violate God’s plan. God created all of us and he always forgives. Unlike some people who choose hate.
Closet
I tried to see where you were coming from but then I get to your last post here and now you are just pissing me off.
Who the fuck do you think you are getting on here and making out like Kyle is a victim? OMG you are to stupid to be a cop.
That precious baby had a broken arm, broken ribs and a fractured skull. There were cuts and bruises and laceration all the way through his tongue – a cut that ran vertically and covered about half the length of the muscle because of the asshole Kyle threw him around and beat him up.
That child went through a horrifc time and you have the nerve to say that Kyle is a victim?
fuck you!!!!! and fuck her and kyle. She is a lazy fat ass greasy headed whore who would not protect her own child. fuck no, can’t tell kyle to stop beating on that baby he might kick her out and then what would she do? fuck I am so pissed !
Closest* not closet
was pissed and typing fast and your still an asshole
Your right!
Ok, I do have an obligation. I will contact my Friends Beginning Investigations on our own Americans to find faults and send them all to your houses.
Speculate some more who I might be. Getting colder…
I wonder what you could be hiding from society, or your spouse.
Or, I will have them take your children away because you are getting paid to encourage hatred. That’s exactly what our kids need. Someone to blame. It is called laziness as well.
It’s too bad you let this stuff control your emotions, maybe next lifetime, eh?
The power is yours?
I’m sure there was a beautiful person inside of all of you at one time, can we have that person back….PLEASE?
I know you aren’t talking to me.
Believe everything and nothing I say. I always lie and I always tell the truth.
knock knock
What is behind door number 1?
Love/forgiveness is the absence of fear/hate.
Welcome to reality and actuality.
He still belongs in jail though, can’t argue that. We can’t catch’em all, some are very sneaky.
You guys know all about this dontcha…
So is this site designed to bring like minds together. Birds of a feather…
Never too late to change! THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THIS FREEWILL YOU SPEAK OF LOOSLEY!
Only in imperfection does one find perfection.
They kept waking up from the matrix because it was perfect. Wouldn’t accept it, would they.
Makes me wonder.
?
Amen, Lavonna I second that emotion :-)! The whole “he had a fucked up childhood” excuse is getting old, FAST! Now if he snapped during a fight and killed a grown man during a fight or something, I would MAYBE get that. However as I have stated before when these people who were victimized as children turn around and hurt,maim and kill INNOCENT, DEFENSELESS KIDS I CANNOT AND WILL NOT HAVE PITY ON THEM! ONLY THEIR CHILDREN! “Or, I will have them take your children away because you are getting paid to encourage hate” Hey wait, who is getting paid for this!?:)
i watch tooo many movies…
Sometimes other people’s lives are like movies up close….
Don’t you love this Hand me Down World.
Ticking away… the moments that make up a dull day
Time=Money is a untrue statement many believe to be true.
Can’t keep my mind from the circling sky, tongue tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I (pronounced “eye”)
Closest I think you need to put the pipe down and drink some coffee. Maybe stepping outside for some fresh air would help.
LoL drugs…. Maybe that’s your excuse…
I couldn’t do drugs if I tried… My friends would know, they would know very fast. Might even polygraph me. I cannot tell a lie…
So the question is this, do you feel this kind of hate because you read an article on this site or you would have felt it all on your own because of your own personal issues. For every action, a reaction.
Newton’s second law of motion.
Reap what you sow?
tick tock tick tock
Nope I don’t do drugs. Don’t have the need to. If you’re not high why the need to go off deep like that? Like we give a fuck?
Why would you even say that kyle is a victim? He is breathing, walking, shitting, eating and that baby isn’t and that pisses me off. Why did NO ONE protect him?
Who or what kind of world allowed Kyle to find this behavior as acceptable.
Or was Kyle magically placed here as a benevolent angel from heaven, then decided to take action….
Ok, let’s neglect more children and let them find out how to survive and solve problems, all we will give them is a empty room to learn it all. That will do it, then we can blame their failures.
If random acts of kindness are too impossible to do, then how does love get spread. Let’s bottle it all up. That will make the world get better.
Possible/impossible all the same. If we sit and wait, we all fail. We choose to wait and hate.
here’s your answer!! I get pissed anytime that I read a child is abuse or an old person is abused. It is a fucking jobs as parents to take care and protect our children and when it doesn’t happen.
My personal issues? I was raised by a loving mother and father with 5 silbings and not one of us was physically abused. So whatever you think you are wrong.
I was raised that you are to love your children, protect them and teach them. NOT TO FUCKING HURT THEM.
REAP WHAT I HAVE SOWN? WELL, THAT I AM.. I HAVE TWO BEAUTIFUL, WELL BEHAVED TEENAGERS WHO LOVE ME AS I LOVE THEM SO IF IT GETS WORSE THAN IT IS THEN BRING IT ON. l love my girls and for you to act like I have issues you can kiss my white crack
My precious…
My precious…
My precious…
why don’t you stop copying and pasting and give your own thoughts?
Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage.
Moneky see monkey do
We are all alone in the dream of the proud
A penny saved is a penny earned.
QUOTES ON IMAGINATION
Imagination is an almost divine faculty which, without recourse to any philosophical method, immediately perceives everything: the secret and intimate connections between things, correspondences and analogies.
CHARLES BAUDELAIRE, New Notes on E. Poe, part III
Imagination is more important than knowledge.
ALBERT EINSTEIN, On Science
Here in your mind you have complete privacy. Here there’s no difference between what is and what could be.
CHUCK PALAHNIUK, Choke
Imagination has given us the steam engine, the telephone, the talking-machine, and the automobile, for these things had to be dreamed of before they became realities.
L. FRANK BAUM, intro, The Lost Princess of Oz
Imagination is the eye of the soul.
JOSEPH JOUBERT, Pensées
The unreal is more powerful than the real. Because nothing is as perfect as you can imagine it. Because it’s only intangibles, ideas, concepts, beliefs, fantasies that last. Stone crumbles. Wood rots. People, well, they die.
CHUCK PALAHNIUK, Choke
Imagination, n. A warehouse of facts, with poet and liar in joint ownership.
AMBROSE BIERCE, The Devil’s Dictionary
A spider conducts operations that resemble those of a weaver, and a bee puts to shame many an architect in the construction of her cells. But what distinguishes the worst architect from the best of bees is this, that the architect raises his structure in imagination before he erects it in reality.
KARL MARX, Capital
The imagination is man’s power over nature.
WALLACE STEVENS, “Adagia,” Opus Posthumous
The imagination is the spur of delights … all depends upon it, it is the mainspring of everything; now, is it not by means of the imagination one knows joy? Is it not of the imagination that the sharpest pleasures arise?
MARQUIS DE SADE, Philosophy in the Bedroom
Imagination is the voice of daring. If there is anything Godlike about God it is that. He dared to imagine everything.
HENRY MILLER, Sexus
Everything that happens is at least one dimension smaller than you’ve imagined it to be.
WOLFGANG HILDESHEIMER, Nightpiece
Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.
TOM STOPPARD, “Artist Descending a Staircase”
My imagination makes me human and makes me a fool; it gives me all the world and exiles me from it.
URSULA K. LE GUIN, Harper’s magazine, Aug. 1990
The imagination, give it the least license, dives deeper and soars higher than Nature goes.
HENRY DAVID THOREAU, The Writings of Henry David Thoreau
Imagination is the highest kite that one can fly.
LAUREN BACALL, Lauren Bacall By Myself
They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night.
EDGAR ALLAN POE, “Eleonora”
What is now proved was once only imagined.
WILLIAM BLAKE, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell
You can’t think your way out of this one…can you…..?
goodbye
good riddance
WTF! WAS ALL THAT NONESENSE ABOUT!
Trying to make himself look smart by copying and pasting alot of bullshit. He is an asshole
Jesus…after all this time away he sneaks back in and does not wait around for us to play!!! Danger, i feel robbed!!!!!
I looked thru some of the older posts, and I noticed you guys had to take him on before. Lavonna did great for a while until he started getting psycho. Sane people cannot debate with crazy people:)
He called me two dollar whore, lol. Which is just untrue. I married my man and get to take his WHOLE pay check. Im much smarter than a two dollar whore;)
LOL Lena, that is the truth. .Hell, I don’t even wanna try to keep up with ignorant people.
Turtle I need you to pee on him please :-)
Hello….oops I mean goodbye….
I knew you could.
Spiffy!
And i said to myself, What a Wonderful World…
This song is for a special person here we all love… Guess who…
If I could save Time in a bottle
The first thing that I’d like to do
Is to save every day
’til Eternity passes away
Just to spend them with you
If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
I’d save every day like a treasure and then,
Again, I would spend them with you
But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do
Once you find them
I’ve looked around enough to know
That you’re the one I want to go
Through time with
If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty
Except for the memory
Of how they were answered by you
But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do
Once you find them
I’ve looked around enough to know
That you’re the one I want to go
Through time with
welcome back dumbass, wait till they rip you a new one and Turtle pees on you!
I’m hurt… Closet fag didn’t quote me… *snifff sniff**… Oh well… I guess we just have to put him back in the scrotum he lives… Buh bye closet fag….
Why is it called a soap opera when nobody sings?
-Why does jello have a smell when you add the powder in the water, but when it “gels” the scent virtually disappears?
-Can a unborn baby fart or burp?
-If a baseball player hits a home run over the fence, but then dies before he can run around the bases, does the home run count?
-If a General is a higher ranking officer than a Major, then why is a major illness worse than a general illness?
-Why don’t they make Root Beer flavored ice cream? Wouldn’t it be better than root beer floats?
-Why is there never a full English dinner or tea but there is always a full English breakfast?
-What is the point in saying “may I ask” and then follow it up with a question?
-Is it possible to be allergic to water?
This one goes out to the one I love…
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
That’s me in the spotlight choosing my confessions.
REM is the dream stste. Wakey wakey.
What if you slept,
And what if
in your sleep
you dreamed?
And what if
in your dream
you went to heaven
and there plucked
a strange and beautiful flower?
And what if
when you awoke,
you had the flower
in your hand?
What then?
To be on your level closet we have to ask stupid too
act* not ask :-)
Are you bored closest? I think your bored…
Did you get a ‘Book of Quotes’ for christmas? And you want to play with it right?
You know why they bought you a book of quotes dont you? Its because everything that you have to say is utter shit and they wanted you to start saying more intelligent things…glad your putting it to good use.
Oh and i have a song for you…its perfect, and my all round fav to listen to at the moment. Let me quote a little for you, ‘your so gay and you dont even like boys. No you dont even like, no you dont even like, no you dont even like boys…’ or maybe you do!
LOL that is why he is in the closet! Love your song Amy
Thankyou, thankyou. Katy Perry rocks!! And i will never sing as well as her, but it does not stop me from pretending i can, lol.
:-) I am sure that you done well! Better than Closet singing to us
Thanks for thinking I am happy. I am happy, it’s my choice.
Or you can referring to a negative wordplay that indicates that I am attracted to the male persuaison. There are 2 sides to every coin.
I choose my side and will not give in to the power you think you have of me accepting your opinion as truth. FREEDOM!
Power!
Go Go Gadget self love!
Hahahahahahahah. Use your power for good and not evil. I cant believe you just made me laugh!!! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?
Look up, and see who is using evil. I mention love, forgiveness and imagination…
Thanks for making me happy… I choose good.
There is a polar opposite for every extreme. I know what side I am on. Your side.
With every hateful comment I get warm fuzzy feelings. It confirms that I can never go back to hate. You give me strength, thanks guys.
AMY!
I can see why you think you belong to me
I never tried to make you think or make you see one thing for yourself
But now your off with someone else and I’m alone
You see I thought that I might keep you for my own
Amy, what you wanna do
I think I could stay with you
For a while maybe longer if I do
Don’t you think the time was right for us to find
All the things we thought weren’t proper could be right in time
And can’t you see which way we should turn together or alone
I can never see what’s right or what is wrong
Don’t you take too long to tell me
Amy, what you wanna do
I think I could stay with you
For a while maybe longer if I do
Amy, what you wanna do
I think I could stay with you
For a while maybe longer if I do
Now just come to what you want you’ve had your way
And all the things you thought before just faded into gray
And you can say that I don’t know if it’s you or if it’s me
If it’s one of us I’m sure we both will see
Won’t you look at me and tell me
Amy, what you wanna do
I think I could stay with you
For a while maybe longer if I do
Amy, what you wanna do
I think I could stay with you
For a while maybe longer if I do
No, i show love, for abused, neglected, unloved children.
You show love and forgiveness for child abusers.
Your right. Ther are two sides to every coin. And i will always choose the side of the defensless baby who had his tounge stitched up by a pair of cruel imbociles.
You may think that your better than people like me, but your not. And the only imagination i found in any of your posts was where you say you have power. Your imagination is nil. Your power is nil. Your buddy is and always will be a child abuser.
I dont hate him. I dont hate you. Neither of you is worth investing that much emotion in.
Ill save my emotion for the victims.
Backing up and making excuse after excuse for a baby murderer is rarely seen as an act of ‘good.’
Ok I will be honest, I will tell you whatever you want to know. Just ask. Asketh and thou shall recieveth…
Anything…
Kyle is the defenseless baby, your right.
Let’s take a neglected kid and lock him up in a house with people that don’t care for a few years and put him in public. Meet Kyle. A baby that can talk, try, and attempt to understand why the world never wanted him.
Your saying that Kyle is the victim in all of this? That is screwed up.
That baby daied painfully. He died slowly. He died not knowing what its like to be truely loved and nurtured. He was malnourished, had a broken arm, and his tounge had forked from lack of medical help. He died on the foor, in nothing but a nappy in a pool of his own vomit.
Kyle and Kimberly killed him. It does not really matter who actually did the physical damage. While one beat this child, the other watched. They are both responsible for his death.
Now i have a lot of sympathy for abused children and surviviours of abuse. And if Kyle had a shitty childhood, then that is a terrible thing.
But i dont post about this stuff without having personal knowledge of abuse.
I was raised by an abusive man. I have been beaten, put down, and threatened by someone who was supposed to love me. I know first hand how it feels to be neglected and gouped with a bunch of people who just dont give a damn. I know how it feels to be unwanted and unloved.
Yet i have managed to build a respectable life for myself.
I wanted better. I didnt think i deserved better, or would even get better. But it didnt stop me from trying.
Not once in my struggle, did it ever occur to me to inflict the treatment i recieved onto someone else. In fact i have made it a personal mission in life to help and support as many abused women and children as possible. Because if i can save just one of them, it makes my shitty childhod worth it.
Kyle is a grown man. He could have made better choices than didnt involve a child dying alone and unwanted.
I just dont understand how he could have let that happen, knowing first hand what it was like to be abused and neglected.
And im afraid that there is very little anyone could do or say to make me change my opionion of him.
And i dont mean to focus all my attention on Kyle. Kimberly is worse than he will ever be. She was supposed to love and protect that baby boy. And all she ever did was let him down. She failed as a woman and a mother and deserves everthing she gets.
Im sorry, but any sympathy i would have felt for Kyle went out the window when he faild to help a defensless child.
Maybe he was too scared. Maybe he was too stupid. Maybe he had other things to do. Who knows? But fear and lack of intellegence does not excuse his lack of action. We all get scared. I know i do.Especially when i think im going to fail. But i never stop trying.
Kyle didnt even try. Can you give me a good reason why he didnt even try to help that child? And i dont mean excuses about having a bad childhood. Because those kinds of excuses wont wash with me. I know abuse. Its no excuse to stand by and let a child die.
Just taking the oppertunity to apologise for all the miss spelling in the above post. I have a new computer and the keyboard is a little stiff and i need to proof read better. Anyone know how to solve the problem of a stiff keyboard? Or do i just have to wait it out?
Lol. That was the problem with my old computer. ( liquid in the keyboard) but i have already shared that story with you;)
Amy, honey I wanted to cry for you reading your childhood. I am sorry that you lived through that. I don’t understand it because I wasn’t raised that way but I did live a year married to a jerk who thought I was a punching bag but having a loving mama (ready to whip his ass) and punching back and tired of the fighting I got out. I was lucky to not have children then.
I am sorry that Kyle was raised that way but hey, he made his choice. He could have chosen to love and not hit or get angry. So he only get sympathy about the way he was raised from me. Other than that he is a asshole who I hope gets what he deserves for murdering that baby.
*hugs* to you Amy
Humpty Dumpty Sat on a Great Wall,
(maybe it was in China)
Humpty Dumpt had a great fall
(I’m thinking this wasn’t in autumn)
All the Kings Horses
(he has lots, he’s the king)
And all the Kings Men
(He had even more men than horses, I think closet fag is jealous of the king)
Could put Humpty Dumpty Back together again.
(Sorta like closet fag’s brain)
See Closet Fag, I can quote things too. I am so pruoud of myself…
He’s another quote for you….
Closet Fag is as Closet Fag does…. I believe that’s by Forest Bush…
Ya know Lavonna, in a funny way, i have no regrets about my childhood. It was bad. Shit it was terrible. But without those experiences i would not be able to do what i do now. Like i said, every kid or abused woman i get to help makes it all worth it. Id go through it all over again in the blink of an eye if it meant i could have the life i have now.
My life is awesome and my best friends 17 year old daughter commented to me the other day, ‘Amy, i cant believe your life. Its like a fairy tale.’
And now it is. I have everything i ever wanted. It may not be a lot by some peoples standards, but its everything to me.
And all hugs are welcome:)
He also made the choice to live with parent’s that never let him in the house from early childhood. He made the choice for his parent’s to hate him. He made the choice to not be loved. It’s what the normal American family does. We choose as kids who are parents are. He wanted a hard life, he wanted to live the rags to riches story. He wanted to pull the sword from the stone. He wanted to be happy. He wanted to save the child. He wanted to care. Don’t you all…..
He wanted all these things but we kept saying he wasn’t worth it. That was our choice.
Decisions decisions
Poor you.
Do you honestly think i was never told i wast worth it? My father stood me in front of a mirror one day and pointing out all my percieved flaws asked me,’who the fuck do you think you are? You think anyone will ever love you? Your stupid, and ugly and a waste of space. A peice of shit.’
It hurt. It hurt like nothing else, and i spent years hating myself and wondering why i was born into this life to someonewho obviously hated me and only wanted to hurt me.
Have i killed a child yet? No.
My mother was so…fucked up, over the treatment she got from my dad, that she had many mental breakdowns. My sister and i, at age five and six, would make our brothers breakfast and a picnic lunch, take enough bottles and nappies and our baby brothers out into the back yard, after which my mother would lock herself into the house until our dad got home from work. We did this evey day for years. Four litte kids, locked out all day fending for ourseves and each other.
Have i killed a child yet? No.
I left home at 16 and got a shitty job as a waitress. I rented a run down, shit house that cost me half my weekly pay and suffered through all the unwanted advances, lewd comments, and bad tips until i could find a better job.
I have worked as a cleaner, a waitress, a bricklayers labourer, a nanny, a roustabout…i worked a lot of shitty jobs. There was never any silver spoon in my mouth.
Have i killed a child yet? No
Even a an adult, i had some really shityy times. I was beaten, i was raped, i was the victim of an attempted murder.
And yet still i have not killed a child.
I just kept getting up and trying even harder.
Did i ask for an asshole for a father? Did i ask to stuggle? Did i ask to be pushed around and treated like crap for half my life? Like hell. Thats just they way it worked out. And i have yet to kill a child!!!
As a child i had no choices. Poor me. Boo fucking hoo. Shit happens.
As an adult i have many choices. I choose the environment i am in. I choose my lifestyle. Kyle had the same choices. He chose otherwise. He could have had a great life. But he was too lazy to even try.Poor Kyle? I dont think so. I have no pity for those that refuse to help themselves.
You told me to ask anything. I asked, and you are yet to answer. I asked for you to give me a good reason why he didnt help that child. If you dont have a good answer, than just admit it. I wont hold it against you. In fact ill admire you for your honesty to me and to yourself. If you do have a good reason, please share it. But please stop talking in circles.
Coffee is a great cure for stiff keyboard Amy, just pour over it and watch the fireworks…
Other option… Just keep using it… :))
And im going to get in before you start talkin about hate.
I dont hate anyone. I love my parents. I now have a great relationship with my mother. I have a strange relationship with my father. It is built on understanding and a lot of love. He suffers from mental illness, and this has only been diagnosed in the past few years.
Does it excuse his behaviour? No, not at all. But knowing that he is mentally unwell, helps me heal. He is yet to apologise for the things he has done and he probably never will. After all psychopaths rarely admit any wrong doing.
I am grateful for my life and the many blessings i have recieved.
Hate is not something i choose to carry around. Its excess baggage and only weighs people down.
I dont hate Kyle. I dont love Kyle. I am angry at Kyle. Angry that he didnt choose to better his life. And angry that a child had to die because he didnt help.
Another question for you closest. You have promised to answer. Where is your sympathy and support for the child who suffered so much?
None of this was about you, it s for Kyle.
*Hugs to Amy* I don’t know you,but you sound like a great woman and a wonderful mom! I admire women like you!
Your right. It’s not about me. But it sure as hell is not about Kyle either. Its about a child. A child who died alone, unloved and unwanted. And you cant answer my questions can you? Where is your sympathy for the dead baby? Can you give me a GOOD reason why Kyle let that child die? Your lack of response tells me no on both counts.
Im not full of hate, but i call things as i see them. Your a cold hearted man who has no sympathy for a dead baby, but plenty for the coward who let him die painfully.
The knowledge that small minded imbociles like you walk the planet makes me utterly ill.
You come across like you have all the answers. But you dont even have the conviction of your beliefs to back them up with words of any value. You quote others and talk in circles to try to hide the fact that you are an idiot. But your fooling no one.
Your right the child of Kyle died along time ago.
Ok, what I will do to show sympathy is to not live in the past. Right now is the time to create my dreams. Not tomorrow. NOW
I couldn’t have made it here without you guys. Thanks for being a part of my Truman SHOW
The end.
The gig is up…I’m not the original person that assumed this closest name.
Sorry if I lied.
I just felt lonely and wanted to feel loved. I will go elsewhere….
Your a nutter. Now fuck off…fucking troll. Who the fuck passes themselves off as someone else? A nobody, thats who.
I remember seeing this handle awhile ago.
I don’t think it’s a troll. Closest just decided to post a little more.
LOL I see you guys were trading back and forth ha
What a whack job. Please make this ‘The End.’
You keep giving us hope by saying things like that, and then you come back with yet more unintelligent drivel.
I’m only 12, in school. My parent’s work alot and I watch too many movies. I’m always by myself. Music makes me happy. I just wanted a friend. Sorry.
Hahahh, bullshit!! Try being honest. Im not well educated, but i am no fool. And you are not 12.
WTF IS WITH THIS PERSON?!
Please tell me that isnt you Moose!!!
Ok it isnt Moose and it isnt the origional closest. Having editors privleges comes in handy:)
( i thought for a second there that it was my bro Moose having a lend of me…he does shit like that. And the time in a bottle song is one of his fav’s)
My brother died a year ago. I don’t have anyone now to talk to.
I started going to church because I was curious. A friend there told me that if 3 people wanted to save someone from hell then they could be saved. I really wanted a reason to live and thought about the idea of god and heaven and hell. I just don’t know. I thought it made sense but I guess he was wrong. I don’t have anything else to do. It’s ok though. I wasn’t honest, I just wanted to see if we could pull this Kyle person out of hell. I wish I could have known him. I’m sure I could have stopped it. I have my lego’s in front of my acting out the conversation. I made lego people and houses and am remaking the scene and script.
I made a person for each one of you. I don’t have anyone else but my imagination. These are my friends…
I feel like a man in a box. It’s ok….
My parent’s are getting divorced in a few months and don’t know what to do. I need to find out who I am. I’ll go over what you guys said and use knowledge. Every little bit helps at this point.
I probably won’t be coming back to this site. Not a place for children. I was just curious what hell was like. I want to go the other way.
I have a 12 year old son…and he talks nothing like you.
If your being straight up, and your brother did pass away, then im sorry for your loss.
On the corner of main street
Just tryin’ to keep it in line
You say you wanna move on and
You say I’m falling behind
Can you read my mind?
Can you read my mind?
I never really gave up on
Breakin’ out of this two-star town
I got the green light
I got a little fight
I’m gonna turn this thing around
Can you read my mind?
Can you read my mind?
The good old days, the honest man;
The restless heart, the Promised Land
A subtle kiss that no one sees;
A broken wrist and a big trapeze
Oh well I don’t mind, you don’t mind
Cause I don’t shine if you don’t shine
Before you go, can you read my mind?
It’s funny how you just break down
Waitin’ on some sign
I pull up to the front of your driveway
With magic soakin’ my spine
Can you read my mind?
Can you read my mind?
The teenage queen, the loaded gun;
The drop dead dream, the Chosen One
A southern drawl, a world unseen;
A city wall and a trampoline
Oh well I don’t mind, you don’t mind
Cause I don’t shine if you don’t shine
Before you go
Tell me what you find when you read my mind
Slippin’ in my faith until I fall
You never returned that call
Woman, open the door, don’t let it sting
I wanna breathe that fire again
She said
I don’t mind, you don’t mind
Cause I don’t shine if you don’t shine
Put your back on me
Put your back on me
Put your back on me
The stars are blazing like rebel diamonds cut out of the sun
When you read my mind
by the Killers
Goodbye for good. I need to hear this song. I feel hurt today. It makes me happy.
I met a lot of people in hell today, it’s ok. My bedroom floor is my heaven. My lego’s are my creations. I will always forgive them.
I’m gonna go to bed, the Neverending Story is almost over.
Amy is the childlike Empress. turtle is Morla in the swamp of sorrows. I am Falcor. The Danger Zone is the wolf that chases me. Lena is like the dad that wants me to keep both feet on the ground. Lavonna is the bookstore owner. Kyle is the human child watching.
Who gets to be the hero, Atreyu?
You guys can change your roles if you want. You get your own story…..
If your for real closest… and i have a suspicion that your just playing with us here…but if you are in fact for real, go and get a phone book. Look up the number of a kids help line. Im an Australian, so i only have the numers for help lines over here. But they are easy to find. You could even look them up on the internet.
Once you find the number, use it. Tak to someone. Because your talking crazy. And for a 12 year old ( if you are indeed 12) to be talking so crazy is not good.
Help is out there if you go looking for it. You can make a decision for yourself and maybe get some help, or you can continue on in your room, all alone mourning the loss of your brother and stressing out over your parents impending divorce. Its your choice.
Even at 12 you have choices.
Write your own story….
Guys, it’s time to just ignore this thing… Whatever it is… Nothing to contribute to the article and nothing to contribute to life it appears… it’s not a 12 year old child, not even lclose…
Look at the speech pattern and compare it to the original posts by closest and you’ll see it’s the same person… When it quits quoting garbage & attempts to make an original statement all becomes clear…
Just another Troll seeking attention…
I compared the email address’ and one is with yahoo and the other aol. But your right, i have about three email address’ lol.
I cant help it though, i had to post the info about help lines just incase. Im a fixer of problems. Its almost a compulsion. Sad huh?
I think closest has some big, big mental health issues.
Its kinda scary the way he has been carrying on.
I forgive your dad Amy. Most people wouldn’t, but I do. You turned out great.
Don’t you know that you are a shooting star, don’t you know…
We will save a spot for him in heaven….
Can I get a second on that…
comment number 46 by: The Danger Zone
October 3rd, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Hey Closest. If you will refrain from the name calling/insulting then you will find us more than happy to talk to you. That’s not just towards me, but everyone.
Thank you.
comment number 91 by: The Danger Zone
January 7th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
I’m hurt… Closet fag didn’t quote me… *snifff sniff**… Oh well… I guess we just have to put him back in the scrotum he lives… Buh bye closet fag….
I did, but you didn’t
Maybe it is called Pride and Envy
Can I add pictures to the site. I have a few articles to add if this is what life is about.
So, I would assume they call it Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I couldn’t save my fellow brothers that got blown to pieces. I couldn’t save this baby and now I can’t save you.
It does things to one’s mind….
So I opted to not re-enlist in the military because I was about to serve a tour as a prison guard in Iraq. If I would have went I could have saved them. But I was a coward.
I had spent almost 2.5 years in the war already and really did not want to go back. I was a security specialist, bodyguard, air marshall, machine gunner…and a law enforcement sergeant.
You guys want to see real evil….?
I don’t… I have had my share. We choose what to focus on in life. Right?
Someone is getting paid money here to promote hatred. It’s no different than a terroristic act.
And yes, I served with Australian soldiers. We had a mission, that was to stop the hate. Thanks for doing your part….
Everyone gets to choose a side, I choose love. I can never go back to hate and fear….
That’s the message…
For those about to rock, I salute you….
I dont need saving closest. And when i do, i’ll save myself, just as i always have.
Your playing head games. First your a police officer, then a 12 year old child, and now a returned soldier.
At what point do you think any of this is funny?
You know, im a good person. Im not perfect and im not a saint, but im a decent down to earth woman. I dont portray myself to be anything or anyone other than who and what i am.
Hate and fear are terrible things. And i too have had my fair share of both. But i dont use it as an excuse to hurt and manipulate and insult others.
Whoever you are, man, child…the games you play are wrong.
Amy, you gut is telling you right, and you need to listen to it. This clown isn’t closest. Here’s just a troll who is resurrecting the ghost of closest to maybe cause some trouble here at PYSIH. I’ve read most of his posts, and this Zen spouting, I love everyone, Cut and Paste artist bears as much resemblance to the real closest as I do to the Pope.
Maybe if you practice your impersonation someone will kiss your ring…..;)
Anus Domonus, Spirit of Nabisco,
Where are my Grapenuts
AAAAM-MEN!
Now get with the digit kissin’.
LMAO
Life is a head game…
Anyways, I am happy to see you are human and not the one who judges others for their mistakes. Way to go, that’s more than most realize in their lifetime.
It takes alot to forgive, and forgiveness of self allows one to be a creator of dreams. How else can we keep moving forward?
Once again, I will note that this site is promoting terrorism…
Second warning….
Let’s find a better way to make money, shall we?
yawn…only our second warning? how utterly droll.
-editor
Why do you keep coming back?
You are like a bad penny………………
You are just like a boomerang………..
You are still a dumbass………………….
To promote terrorism we would have to be:
1. Organized, most of can’t even find our undershorts before 3:00… And you think we could possibly organize enough to synchronize our watches….
2. We would have to conspire (this goes with oranizing which we already covered) to go against a specific “GROUP” and not just an individual.
3. We’d actually have to move past talking about these unique executions and begin to properly plan via attaining the tools of our trade, travel itineraries (again, organization is still an issue for us) amongst other things…
Now, if you’d like Closet Fag… We might be willing to synchronize our watches long enough to take our ADD medication at the same time… Then we can all stop by your house just as it wears off and forget why we’re there… But hell, we’ll probably figure you resemble a POS and just carry forth with our demented ideas of feeding you to some German Cannibals anyways… Good new about the German Cannibals, they like it better if you partake in consuming the meal (yourself) with them….
LMAO! This is the funniest comment I’ve read on this board in a long time. Congratulations Danger Zone, you win Dinner for 2 at Armin Meiwes’ International House of Penises, where you get to pick your own entre from Armin’s own proprietary penis tank.
You can’t get a fresher penis anywhere!
DAMMIT! WHO IS MAKING MONEY FROM THIS? WHERE THE HELL IS MY CHECK? I feel cheated:’( LMAO! Closest-you are damn rite we promote terrorism. We promote it against child rapists/molesters/murders, we promote it against mothers who let their “penis of the week” rape and kill their children, against druggies who kill young mothers just because they can’t use her groceries, we promote terrorism against assholes who prey on the innocent then whine about their upbringing like that justifies it. We don’t like people even REMOTLEY like this and we want them GONE. If that makes us terrorists then SO BE IT! Have a great day!
i want to cry cuz i know the bitch kim and the baby……sad cuz she seemed like she hated the 2 year old b4 she had the one year old…..
But she’s one hell of an actress – Kim should have gotten the Academy Award for that interview she did. I knew she was a phony and you’re confirming that. Every time I see her I think of that line from Hamlet, “The lady doth protest too much.”
this baby JB is my fiances baby, His name was Jimmy Lee Burnett..and we have the trial next year around feb or so.. it was to be in oct and nov for both kim and kyle, but the officer who interview them went to iraq. TO this very day i tell my fiance that i wish we had jimmy, He did everything he could to get that baby back, but since kimberly didnt have anything in her name its been hard for him to find her. of course i was not with him at this time.. but if i could change back time i would have been and would have tired to get this baby back, we have jimmys picture up on the wall, and i look at him every day.. MY fiance had not seen that baby sincce dec of 07.. and jimmy died on sept 08.. and it breaks my heart to see how robert had to go though..
You sound like a loving, caring woman, and your fiancee sounds like a good solid guy. I am sorry for your loss. I hope your fiancee has learned not to get random women knocked up – to wait and make sure they are worthy of being the mother to his babies. It sounds like he has found a keeper in you.
I just hope that both of you will use this opportunity to spread the message to your sisters and brothers, your nieces and nephews, your cousins and your friends – having babies with some guy or chick you just screwed is a REALLY bad idea. It’s bad for the person who loses custody, it’s bad for the one who has to pay, pay, pay for 18 years, and mostly – it’s HORRIBLE for the poor innocent baby. Condoms are cheap and plentiful – use them!
Don’t let Jimmy Lee Burnett’s death be in vain. Make it your gift to him to try and protect as many babies as you can.
I am trying to reach Kims family. I spoke with her mother and let Kim make a phone call to her in late 2008 to early 2009. I would really like to talk to you again. Please email me at abattles68@aol.com
Blimey! There were some pretty strange posts over the last umpteen pages that i’ve just trawled through… But to the point. Some years ago during a moment of madness i had my tongue pierced… IT FUCKIN HURT LIKE HELL! And that was a single tiny little hole done with a clean, sharp needle… The other injuries are bad enough but the thought of this has made me sick to the stomach… Vile, cruel, sadistic bastards, i’m traumatised by this i really am, i don’t know what else to say. ;(
I am speechless. That poor baby.
Im confused….? The original Closest said he visited Kyle the weekend before that baby’s life ended. Didnt the autopsy report say it would have taken that poor little guy at least a week and a half to die a horribly painful death????
Im curious how Closest did not notice a child, half bulgeoned to death, during this visit?! And why on earth Closest had decided to ignore and end contact with Kyle after that weekend?
Closest claims that he and Kyle were best mates at somestage and that he had stuck by Kyle for many years supporting his friend through many dark times in Kyle’s life. Why did Closest chose to end all contact when, as Closest tells us, kyle’s girlfriend and mom were controlling him and Kyle wanted out of that life! Friends dont abandon friends in times of need.
The only reason Closest felt the need to defend his childhood buddy is because of his own guilt. It doesnt matter how many childrens lives you save in Africa Closest it wont bring back that baby.
Stop promoting your self as a superhero because of all the wonderful things you think you do for this world! A real hero is a person who does the right thing because its the right thing to do, not for all the glory they think they will be deserving of by doing it!!!! Kyle is not in the slightest, an innocent party here. When you get yourself a girlfriend who has children you must except some responsibilty for those children especially when they are living under your roof and especially when one of them is slowly dying before your eyes.
Whether Kyle laid a hand on that innocent baby boy or not, he still stood by cruely watching JB’s life end in a most inhumane, disgusting, neglectful, horrific manner. Anyone capable of doing nothing when a life is at stake is GUILTY!
Jimmys tongue wasnt split by accident. Kyle cut it down the middle with a knife, out of anger. Kim wanted to take him to the doctor but Kyle refused. So, Kim held the baby while Kyle sticthed up his tongue with a needle and thread. The baby cried until he passed out from the pain. Eventually the thread kept coming lose. It started to “heal” on its own (somewhat forked, I was told) and the baby would “play with it” (his tongue).
Its hard to process this kind of information. Its like there is no place for it to fit in the thinking and reasoning of a normal human.
i know the girl real well i new both kids i hope kim and that guy gets killed in prison.