Mahmod Mahmod, Ari Mahmod, Mohamad Hama, Omar Hussein, and Mohammed Ali
Banaz Mahmod, 20, was from a strict traditional Kurdish family. She was 10, when she and her father fled from Iraq to Britain in order to escape Saddam Hussein’s regime(Her father once served in the Iraqi army.). At the age of 17, she entered an arranged marriage with a man from her clan, whom she had only met on 3 occasions before the wedding day. She was expected to be a traditional subservient wife and mother.
However, Her husband was ill educated and old fashioned. Banaz Mahmod told police in September 2005 that she was raped on at least 6 occasions and she was beat regularly by her husband. In one assault she claimed one of her teeth was almost knocked out because she called her husband by his first name in public. At one point depressed Banaz even attempted to hang herself. She told her family that she wanted out of the marriage, but, her family persuaded her to stay with him.
After two years of marriage, Banaz finally insisted that she be able to come home to seek sanctuary. During her time back home Banaz fell in 
love with Rahmat Suleimani, whom she had met at a family party in the late summer of 2005.
When Banaz’s father Mahmod Mahmod, 54, and Uncle Ari Mahmod, 51, found out about their relationship they were enraged. Rahmat, was not a member from their clan, wasn’t religious, wasn’t chosen by the family, and Banaz was not yet formally divorced from her husband.
This was seen as a threat to their family honor. Banaz’s sister Bekhal moved from her family home at the age of 15 to escape her father’s violence. Bekhal’s moving led to Mahmod losing status in the family. Mahmod’s brother Ari then took over as head of the family.
On, December 1, 2005 Ari called his niece Banaz and warned her to end the relationship with Rahmat or face the consequences.
A day later, Ari called a family meeting to plan her murder and the disposal of her body. Afterwards, Banaz was secretly told by her mother that hers and Rahmat’s lives were at risk.
Banaz went to the Mitcham Police Station to report that her family was threatening to kill her and Rahmat. Police offered to send her to a refuge, but scared at the thought of her families reaction, Banaz decided not to press charges and asked police to take no action.
The next day, an officer arrived at Banaz’s house for a check up but Banaz refused to let him in. Banaz felt that her mother would protect her from any harm.
A week later Banaz still weary of the situation went to the police station to give the police a list of names of people she believe would kill her. One of the men listed was Mohamad Hama.
On New Years eve 2005 Banaz was lured to her grandmothers house to discuss the divorce with her father. Banaz claims her father forced her to drink half of a bottle of brandy which she said made her dizzy. Her father asked her to sit of the floor facing away from him and left the room. When her father returned wearing a pair of gloves Banaz panicked and escaped barefoot bleeding from both wrists (she had to break a window to escape) to a Southwest London Cafe.
The police who attended the scene and accompanied Banaz to the hospital did not believe her story.
After this incident Banaz and Rahmat pretended not to be together, although they were secretly meeting with each other. On one of these secret meetings a member of their community saw them and snapped a photo of them together and her family was informed.
Mohamad Hama and three other men attempted to kidnap Rahmat, but, were thwarted when Rahmat’s friends intervened. Hama threatened that Rahmat would be killed later.
Rahmat called Banaz to warn her about what had happened, and Banaz went to the police. This time Banaz said she would co-operate with the police with bringing charges against members of her community and her family. The officers tried to persuade her to go into a safe house, but, again she felt she would be safe at home with her mother.
On January 24, 2006 Banaz left her home of her own will, alerting her soon to be assassins.
According to a secretly taped conversation between Mohamad Hama and another prisoner it is revealed that Banaz was kidnapped by himself and 3 other men. Banaz was then raped, tortured, and strangled to death with a boot lace. This assault lasted close to 2 and a half hours (2 hours of rape and torture. And, it took them a half hour to kill her.).
Police noticing her disappearance started investigating fearing the worst. After an exhausting 3 month investigation, Banaz’s decomposing corpse was discovered crammed into a suitcase with the boot lace still around her neck. The suitcase with her body was found buried beneath a garden at a house 100 miles from her home in Birmingham.
Police arrested Mahmod Mahmod, Ari Mahmod, and Mohamad Hama. Omar Hussein, Mohammed Ali and another man all fled back to Iraq.
Mahmod Mahmod and Ari Mahmod both have been convicted of murder. Mohamad Hama, plead guilty to the charges of murder. All three men have been sentenced to life in prison.
Mohammed Ali, was arrested recently in Iraqi Kurdistan over a separate matter. The Kurdish authorities say they are willing to extradite him, but British prosecutors are refusing to ask for his removal, raising fears there and among honor killing opponents in the U.K. that some of those responsible for the death of Banaz Mahmod will not face justice.
Banaz’s death has been labeled an “honor killing” (In my book, there is no honor in killing a family member. None.).
Do the People Directly Involved In An Honor Killing Deserve To Be Sent To Hell?
- Yes, murder is murder (97%, 373 Votes)
- No, it's a cultural thing and we as Westerners should stay out of it (3%, 10 Votes)
Total Voters: 383
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I’m not going to minch words about it–I hate the radical fundamentalist religions. They are especially barbaric when it comes to how they treat women. They are stuck back in the Stone Age–wait–Fred Flintstone behaved much, much better! The really sad thing is that Banaz had several opportunites to co-operate with the police and go to a safe house (an opportunity that probably does not exist in the Middle Eastern countries), and yet did not avail herself of that help. In the extreme fundamentalist community, it’s not safe to even trust that your mother will protect you. She probably will not–she doesn’t want to end up being tortured to death, either, and her primary loyalty is to her husband. Stories such as this really enrage me, because these barbaric “honor killings” continue to this day and the rest of the world is helpless to prevent it.
TO HELL WITH THEM ALL!!! personally They need to keep that shit over there don’t come over here bringing your ridiculous laws and screwed up form of religion here. I mean and Sadaam and wuts his face fuckin Osama say we Americans are screwed up. That maybe so, but fuck, you wont see us strapping a fuckin bomb to our fuckin stomachs because Jesus told us so. You won’t see us fuckin killing over a fuckin devorce, You wont see us teaching our youth to kill because of color or religion. You wont see us intruding over to other countries trying to kill because of there fucked up ways of thinking. OH WAIT ha ha WE do DO THOSE THINGS!!! murder, rape, teaching youth bad behaviors, going to war with other countries because of there different believes, killing our kids, molesting our youth, Fuck it y not come over here from there the only difference is you get a lesser sentence! RIGHT on AMERICA!!!!
What the fuck is going on with this got dammed world!!! we need not to let this shit happen in our fuckin beautiful country. We need a fuckin change!!!
BURN FUCKERS BURN and while your BURNING BURN SOME MORE!
We don’t need a change. We need everyone to calm down. We can start by not swearing. And yes, Americans do kill others becuase they think Jesus told them. Oh wait, George Bush et al think Jesus told them. Bush actually called the War of Terror a crusade!!! I don’t believe in capital punishment, but by America’s own laws, Bush shoulda been executed for terrorism a long time ago.
Yeah, watch your fucking mouths, assholes.
Shit! I’m sorry, I’m such a dickhead sometimes.
Fuck me! I did it again.
Ah fuck it, let’s face it, I’m fucking hopeless.
Idiot in the nth degree. Americans don’t kill because of orders from a Supreme Being. Stop being so ignant
Actually, this has nothing to do with religion, you ignorant Americans!!! Seriously though, honour killings have nothing to do with religion. They are not mentioned in the Qur’an and only shortly in the Bible, and have been found among Christians, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus.
It doesn’t matter whether it’s in the Qur’an. Lots of things that aren’t in Christianity’s scriptures still play a huge part in how it’s preached and practiced.
Honor killings are part of a culture based on Islam. That culture may not accurately reflect what the book says, but we’re not the ones who need to hear that. The assholes butchering their sisters are the ones who need to hear that. And until they do, Islam will keep getting a bum rap. It doesn’t matter whether it’s fair or not.
Wow, dude. It makes so little sense to be so worried about ‘family honor’, and then rape and murder a member of your family. It’s like common sense doesn’t exist in some places.
For your information, it was legal in Georgia (in the US) until 1972.
“Honor Killing” That is exactly what I thought when I saw those names, then scrolled down and saw her picture. I’m with you, Diana I would see a lot LESS honor in raping and killing a family member than her wanting a divorce. Especially the rape part, I have heard of a number of these “honor killings”, but I can’t recall any where the victim was raped. I hate how those women are treated, it is not fair to have to worry about how you want to live your life because you may be murdered by your own family. I remember one where a 16-year-old girl was the victim of an “honor killing” because she had a boyfriend, and got a job. Her parents killed her when she got home one night, and they tried to claim self-defense saying she had attacked her mother. Luckily for some reason (I can’t remember why right now) the father was under surveillance by the government, so the whole thing was caught on audio and it quickly disproved their story. What a shame:-(
I know exactly what case you’re talking about Lena. It’s was the Murder of 16 year old Tina Isa by her parents, Zein and Maria Isa, in St. Louis on Nov. 6, 1989. Apparently having a boyfriend and getting a job qualifies a young woman for death in the Isa’s brand of fundamentalist Islam. The father was under surveillance by the FBI because he was a known Terrorist and was plotting to bomb an Israeli Government building in St. Louis. Here’s a translation of the transcript of Tina’s murder. I warn you, it will most certainly piss you off if you care anything about the life of another human being:
Tina’s father says: “Here, listen, my dear daughter, do you know that this is the last day. Tonight, you’re going to die?”
Tina responds: “Huh?”
Zein Isa replies: “Do you know that you are going to die tonight?”
The girl’s mother asks her questions about items in her schoolbag. In the midst of her conversation with her mother, Tina begins to shriek in fear.
“Keep still, Tina!” says her father.
“Mother, please help me!”
“Huh? What do you mean?” the mother says.
“Help! Help!”
“What help?” the mother responds.
Tina screams, and Maria says: “Are you going to listen? Are you going to listen?”
Screaming louder, Tina gasps: “Yes! Yes! Yes, I am!” then coughs and adds, “No. Please!” Six Wounds in Chest
The mother says, “Shut up!”
Tina continues to cry, but her voice is unintelligible.
“Die! Die quickly! Die quickly!” the father says.
The girl moans, seems to quiet, then screams one last time.
“Quiet, little one! Die my daughter, die!” the father says.
Tina was stabbed six times in the chest with a boning knife, which pierced her heart, one lung, and liver, investigators said.
An alternate juror, Carl Smith, said he would think about the tape for the rest of his life. “I cried because I wish I could have been there to help her,” he said.
Both “parents” were found guilty of Capital Murder and sentenced to Death. Maria Isa’s sentence was later commuted to Life Without Parole.
i remember hearing about that one. it was the first time i heard of honor killings. i was shocked that something like that could happen, let alone HERE.
I have neighbours who are from Iraq. The husband is a quiet, unasuming man and he and his wife have five cildren together.
His only daughter was married three years ago in tradtional Muslim ceramony.
Last year he found out that his new son-in-law was beating his daughter on a regular basis.
So he rounded up his four sons, who are rather buff young men, went to visit his daughter and son-in-law and after ripping the son-in-law a new asshole, packed up and brought his daughter home.
The reason i relay this story to you is because while some religions do promote subservience, there are those who take full advantage of that and use it to hide their cruel and unjust behaviour behid, like Banaz’ family.
Having said that, i think that the UK Justice system just beat out Australia in the “I suck the most” competition.
They should exdritide that animal Ali. Drag his sorry ass home and show some ‘honor’ for the girl he helped rape and murder.
When i think about how desperate she must have felt, i want to cry. That poor woman. And to think that her father helped . She was so brave to try to break free of the religious and family constraints that held her.
What animals!!!
Choking back rage. I am so goddamn sick of people telling me these patriarchal religions are gentle and preach gentleness and it is just a few bad apples. Aaarrrgh!!!!!!! LIES!!!!! All it is is an instituion to preserve terrorism and hate and power over women and younger, less powerful men. I am so angry. Either grow a nicer version of your religion (it just doesn’t have to be so extreme, truly) and culture, or go kill yourselves. I just loathe extremism. Extremism causes pain and misery and death. Rant fucking over.
p.s I hate all patriarchal extremist religious groups equally. I ain’t no racist.
I just finished reading a book called, “Without Mercy” by Miriam Ali.
Its a true story of two girls from the UK being sold by their father into arranged marraiges while on ‘holiday’ in Yeman. They were in their early teens and were raped and bore children to their so called ‘husbands.’
It’s all the more shocking because it is true and the Uk is well aware that there are many young girls suffering the same way and do nothing to help. These are UK citizens being left to rot by their government.
There is another book that is a follow up to the one i mentioned called “Sold” by Zana Ali. She is one of the daughters sold into a marraige at 14 and the only one of the two to make it back home to the UK.
When you read how these women live it just fills you with saddness and anger.
Thanks Max:-) It was annoying me thatI could not remember that poor girls name! I never read the full transcipt. I had only heard bits and pieces of it on a crime show a while back. It does piss me off, that just isn’t right:-(.
Interesting how rape and murder are apparently okay and committing them somehow restores a family’s “honor” in that culture. Bizarre.
I don’t see how killing someone restores honor after someone is raped. Rape is a serious and heinous crime.
My cousin is married to an Arab man, and their daughter is arranged not only to be married to someone she doesn’t really know, but its her cousin on her fathers side of the family.
It was tough writing this up because shit like this might be happening to my family. I just hope my cousin lets her daughter make her own decisions.
How old is this girl you’re talking about? Is it in the States??
Honour: high public esteem,credit or reputation for behaviour that is becoming or worthy,high minded character or principals, show respect to, to be a credit to….
I dont think that raping and murdering a woman fits into the dictionary’s definition of honour. It sure as shit doesnt fit my definition of honourable bahavior.
Damn straight, those guys have such a primitive idea of honour and dignity that it’s mind-boggling.
Whats almost funny about it is that any normal family wouldnt give a shit, and would let their daughter make her own decisions.
what turdsmear said westerners should stay out of it and voted no? if these savages (and i don’t mean that against all arabs or all muslims, just the ones who do this kind of shit) want westerners to stay out of it, they should keep it in their homelands. if you want to live in a (somewhat) civilized society, then you need to have civilized behavior. suffer the consequences, bitches!
and i’m out.
How fucked up is your freaking culture and religion that it will justify killing your own children and family members? Can these people not see how fucking warped this is?? Clearly not since it has been going on for centuries in these towel headed (yes. I went there, and forgive me but it pisses me off how these people think) middle east parts of the world. There is a damn good reason why they need some straight up American intervention over there. Fuckers…….
Someone voted no??? WTF??? Do they now have the balls to admit they voted no, or are they gonna hide? C’mon…which one of you voted no?
Yeah just as i thought, fucking cowards! When the fuck is it ok for a young woman to be raped repeatedly and murdered? What if it was your daughter, neice, mother, sister??? Where is the honour in that?
Your right Amy they are cowards.
Help us understand why you feel these people should be spared the buring pits of hell?
*sighs*
you guys know they’re never gonna answer. those damn trolls need to stay under the bridge and off our site…
Wow, so sad, I don’t know what kind of person could do this, sick.
I’m with Amy on UK’s Justice System sucking balls. I have never had any type of hate for any religon. I believe everyone is allowed to believe what they want. But how can a person be apart of a religon and think its ok to kill their child. Why would you want to kill your child, especially over what other people thought. I know I would like to go Old Testament on them. You know an eye for and eye.
Last May, a 17 year-old girl was stoned to death on the streets of Iraq during daytime and the Iraqi police did absolutely nothing to help. Her crime? She loved an Iraqi boy who was of a different sect of Islam from her. The fact that this happened less than a year ago makes me even more convinced that we had no business going into Iraq, and that we’ve had very little impact in bringing them into the modern world of civil rights. The fact that this behavior also occurs in non-Muslim countries is truly frightening.
Honor killings are not honorable.
All that poor beautiful woman wanted was to be happy and in love, and they killed her….what disgusting human beings. I hope they get it up the butt in prision.
The voters on here make me laugh…less people voted for “No-it’s a cultural thing…” voting no to sending multiple homicide perps to hell.
These two broke a fundemental human law…don’t kill people. No matter what, and she was blood! That’s not just a comandment, don’t put religion on it at all…it’s a human law not to kill your niece, daughter, family member, another human being.
Your right. No one of any colour or backgound should commit these atrocities.
An while my initial reaction to your comment was, ” but it seems to happen more in these cultures,” i thought about the many stories here on PYSIH and it hit me that that is just not true. Men rape and murder all the time.Women abuse and kill their children. Young ones everwhere are neglected. Every culture is the same. Sad.
Key difference being that most in these western cultures dont kill because a fucking book told them it makes them honorable.
According to our PYSIH resident expert on Islam and Middle Eastern affairs, Leia, this killing had nothing to do with religion, but instead is a common practice in some Kurdish communities. I’m very pleased that Leia agreed to hang around and clear up issues like this, so we can all learn. I mean, isn’t it just this kind of ignorance of the facts that causes riots, hate crimes and the like?
Attention radical towelheads:
In the civilized countries, women are considered equals to men.
Attention bleeding heart left wing fruit cakes:
Equal meaning equal in value, NOT THE SAME AS. In the USA we have dollar coins and dollar bills – both have the same value BUT handled differently.
Men can cook, women can do household repairs.
BUT there are times that a woman wants to be treated in an old fashioned manor – chivalry is something many women still like.
Now as far as “honor killing” goes – not done in America. Don’t like it – LEAVE.
What a terrible shame. She was so beautiful. :-(
A cultural thing huh?
I would think that it was a cultural thing if oh i don’t know maybe you were within your own culture, but they weren’t they decided to leave Iraq. More than likely to escape that same culture they are trying to hide behind.
They decided to look for a better life within the United Kingdom. Simply put you can’t go to a country break its laws and claim cause you are from a different culture you shouldn’t be held to the same standards as everyone in your community.
Lets try an experiment, why don’t one of the three who thinks we should stay out of it, take a trip to Saudi Arabia and try having sex with a girl that is not your wife in the backseat of your rental car in downtown Riyadh. Now how do you score your chances of getting a fair trial claiming cultural differences.
This story is a perfect example of why there will never be peace in the middle east. Some may call it ‘culture and beleifs’ but I think it’s utter horse shit. The family of this poor woman sounds likey they are one big ‘drama queen.’ God rest her.
damn proud i’m american and come from a family of females
No males at all?
My God, the fundamentalists have finally done it. They’ve perfected human asexual reproduction. Every religious nutjob in the world, from John Hagee to Jimmy Sawggert to the Pope to Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammed to Dr. Hasham El-Essawy must be pissing themselves with joy.
Truly amazing…. Worms have learned how to type…
Wait. If you come from a family of all A-Sexuals then you don’t come from a family of all females as each of you would be male & female… hmmm… I think it’s time to look closer at the idea of your coming from a hermaphrodyte family :))
you guys are silly. as someone from a close family where the females outnumber the males, i get where you’re coming from, glyss. or maybe it’s a jersey thing ;)
Could you explain it to us Eternal?
Just to point out, because so many people have been quick to capitalise on this:
the murder of the girl had nothing to do with Islam. I’m not talking about them not being ‘true muslims’ or blah blah or anything like that. the family wasn’t muslim period. They drank Brandy and the girl didn’t cover her hair and etc. etc. honour killings are prevalent in the kurdish community, regardless of their religion (stats show it’s just as common in christian kurdish tribes as it is in muslim kurdish tribes and that yazidi kurds are even more likely)—it’s acultural thing, not a religious one.
That’s a great point Leia. Thank you for pointing that out to us. So much of the hate between the Christian world and the Islamic world comes from just such ignorance of the facts. I hope you stay around PYSIH because we obviously don’t have a regular member who can speak with any kind of authority about Islam and Islamic traditions.
Max The Cat
Editor, PYSIH
i’d be happy to stay around. boosts my ego, thinking i’m helping eradicate ignorance anyway :P
Hehe….cool…and don’t be shy about it. I’ll back you up 100%, as long as you don’t get personal with people.
WOW, your daughter divorcing the husband you chose for her, who beats her brings dishonour to your family but raping her and killing her restores that honour. When these people had their thought processes installed, God put them in ass backwards.
Logic, anyone?
Your family is disgraced by the fact that your young daughter doesn’t appreciate being raped by her husband …. and the solution is—–
Banaz was then raped, tortured, and strangled to death with a boot lace. This assault lasted close to 2 and a half hours (2 hours of rape and torture. And, it took them a half hour to kill her.).
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Because this is so much more honourable? Being a rapist and murderer of a victim of rape is more honourable than being a victim of rape?
That kind of twisty logic hurts my brain.
When I first saw her picture, I thought she was very pretty- then I realized she just looked the same kind of pretty that lots of women do before they’e been raped and killed. Generally, women (and children and men) don’t look so pretty after that.
How sad that this young woman was never loved by her family.
Honour is a very transient and non-tangible thing. It’s no use to the dead.
I hope my children never die before I do. But if it happens, I hope I’m left with love- not honour.
The myth of human intelligence and intellect never ceases to underwhelm me.
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It just occured to me that one of the mens name is Mohummod Ali!!! But he is not he ‘greatest’.
alright, lets see if I can wrap my head around the mechanics of these a$$holes brains… hmm, you ruin the family honor by divorcing an abusive bastard, but it doesn’t ruin the family honor to RAPE someone who is BLOOD RELATED to you?? these people are f***** sick, freud would have had a field day with this family… my heart goes out to that poor girl, her boyfriend and her mother… as for the piece of sh*t men who think its THEIR place to do this kinda crap, I hope the UK is like the USA and you get assraped for the rest of your pathetic, stupid lives… also, do yourselves a favor, when your in jail READ A BOOK, educate yourselves, try NOT to be living during cave man times.. thx.
Nah, the UK is more like Australia…we are both ruled by the Queen after all. And they will get an early parole for being good little freaks and be able to marry a nice woman that they can beat into submission. She’ll probably be 12. Sad but true.
I voted no.
I think what they did is horrible but I am tired of everyone expecting people to behave in the “American” way, as if that is the only correct way to be.
Plus, it is not that these men need to be more educated. They have been raised to truly believe that what they did is the “right” thing.
You are tired of everyone expecting people to behave in the “American” way??
WTF, how about us expecting them to behave in a human way and stop killing!
What does this have to do with the “American” way?????? This is human decency. Don’t be such a moron!
Is the “American way” the only way that people can act as decent human beings with feelings and emotion and compassion for others? Cause ya know i think i just read a whole bunch of stories right here on PYSIH about crimes that “Americans” have committed!!! ( and Poms and Aussies and Kiwi’s etc, etc…)
Assholes are assholes…you get them everywhere in every colour and way of life. This is not about acting in the “American way.” Its about acting in the “Humane way.”
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LMAO…. Kiwi = slang for New Zealander
OK AnnaBelle – here is why you sound so stupid:
By your reasoning, the KKK would be cool, and the racists would not need “no mor edumacating”, because they were raised to believe that blacks were subhuman, and murdering them was OK.
Do you see where your logic fails? And, interestingly, some people back then thought that racism was “the American way”.
Thank you, have a nice day. Move along now.
So, who wants to go to Iraq and kill some fucking cock suckers?
Whoa there there buddy, who are we gonna kill? If you think they did this because Allah told them too, you’re as mistaken as I was. Go up 16 comments and read Leia’s post. She knew the real motivation that prompted this disgusting act.
Yeah, like that would solve all the problems…Grow up Specter.
Why go all the way to Iraq to kill cock suckers when we could just come round your place Specter ?
No seriously guys. Before Leia posted he comment about Kurdish custom, I thought for sure Banaz’s murder was a Muslim thing. I was completely wrong about that it turns out, and so is Specter. It was an easy mistake to make in this case.
My problem is blaming an entire religion for the actions of a few. Its like calling all Germans Nazi’s. Going to Iraq and taking crack shots at all the Muslims is not going to solve any problems. And i can garantee that not all Kurdish people go out and rape and murder in the name of honour. Just like not all Irish people grow potatoes or all Welsh people ‘love’ their sheep.
Good point Amy. I didn’t want to give the impression that all Kurds believe honor killings are OK. It’s only a small minority of dumbasses like Banaz’s family who do. Most of this tradgedy had to do with Dad getting demoted within the family because the other daughter had run off to live her life as she wished, and the Uncle, who had taken over for Dad, wasn’t going to let that happen to him.
You are spot on with this one Amy. Infact taking pot shot at Iraqis will only make things worse and besides if you where to take vengence on an entire race because of one group of idiots then could I suggest Specter that you actually go to Kurdistan and not Iraq as I think they have enough problems without being blamed for something that doesn’t invovle them, again.
P.S. thanks Amy for not using kiwis in your sheep reference.
LOL…i almost did, but then thought id use the Welsh instead. I have a lot of great Kiwi mates who luckily have a great sense of humour and deal out cheek as good as they get it;)
The ironic thing is that although my Grandma was a kiwi, my grandad history is welsh so I guess I can’t escape the whole sheep thing either way. Atleast they’re considerate lovers…….. except for all the baaaaa-itching.
Hahaha…my mum is Welsh, and i must admit, im a farm girl…no big love affairs with any sheep tho. A few shearers…but no sheep;)
i can’t believe humans can be so barbaric
Death to Islam
Congratulations Allah Fubar. You win the award for Tool of the Week.
Better to be a tool then a muslim.
Death to islam.
No, you’re wrong. It’s not better to be you than to be a Muslim. It’s quite alright to be Muslim, unless you’re in Al-Quaeda or the Taliban. Just like it’s fine to be a Christian, unless you’re Pat Robertson or Fred Phelps. But there’s nothing that can make being you OK Allah Fubar. Unless of course you decide to stick a gun in you mouth.
Fuck you-the ones woh are fighting- all…people are dying
I can get the whole cultural thing with arranged marriges because alot of them turn out very well.
Not like this where as she gets raped and beaten continuously then the family goes and does this.
That i just find that to be complete bs.
Look I think we should all question the misinformation that the papers put for us to read. cause in reality newspapers will print anything that sells, regardless of validity of the information. for a fact I know that there was no rape involved in this case, because I witnessed the court case first hand. The rape charges were an exaggerated and deliberate misinterpretation of information obtained from covert recordings which were far from clear. and indeed the police did not believe that a rape took place at all. it was the media parasites and various women’s rights organizations that hyped up the allegations in order to win support for the misguided cause and make a bit of money in the process. and the father and uncle were not directly involved in the murder and were only sentenced because they were according to the police aware of it occurring and did not inform the police. so u people need to be wise enough to think for yourselves and not to allow the media to think for u.
Tribe is right – this is a totally uncivilized way to live! Some other guy became head of the pack – er I mean family because the two daughters moved out of the house cause he was beating them?? He was “shamed”? So what, culturally, it’s your duty/right as a man and “head of the household” to terrorize, beat, and abuse your female relatives? That’s totally insane.
It’s also insane that it took until she was raped and killed for the police to believe her. Honor killing my @$$, it’s just a plain old KILLING.
And of course, I don’t think that all muslims/middle-eastern people are like this!
What kind of horror is it to be killed by your father? i dont blame the mother, she was probobly so beaten down herself, she trusted her family to at least think she wanted some kind of love and happiness in this life, I wish there were an alternate universe we could time warp these bastards to, where whatever they did here on earth was reversed, all the cruelty they gave out was suddenly reflected back and turned around on them… leave them like that to suffer their own evil…
These girls are no different than us, they have the same wants a dreams but their fathers bring old stinking ugly men home and expect the girls to marry them for whatever reason, it has often been said that if woman ran the world it would be a peacful place, Here is an absolute truth: No young woman wants some old stinking man her father chose for her, she wants to pick the one she wants, someone her own age, she is the one who gives birth, should she not choose the one she wants? She is the one who actually gives something precious to the world, this makes me sick… I hope they actually execute these fuckers. rape them first with a camels dick… I try to understand sometimes what they are thinking but I cant, just like that one girl in Iran who was hung from a crane, Atefah Sahaaleh, for crimes against chastity, she was abandoned, she tried to find love the only way she knew how, if I had been born in Iran I would have been dead a long time ago, just for trying to find someone to love…
I will keep her picture in my “Precious” folder…