Richard Anthony McTear Jr.
This fine, upstanding example of manliness is 21-year-old Richard Anthony McTear Jr. Richard has a problem with his relationships with the opposite sex. When disagreements pop up, as they always do, Richard isn’t satisfied just arguing, or yelling, or even cussing and hurling nasty insults. Richard likes to hit, and punch, and kick.
Richard McTear also has problems with the police. McTear’s criminal history includes dozens of arrests, several of which involved domestic violence, Tampa police spokeswoman Andrea Davis said. His first arrest on domestic violence charges came when he was 14, Davis said. Details on that case are unavailable because he was a juvenile. In 2007, McTear avoided prosecution on felony criminal domestic battery by strangulation charges when the victim waived prosecution. In that incident, police said, he beat his girlfriend up, stole her car with their 3-year-old child in the back seat, gave the child back and burned the car,
Jasmine Marie Bedwell, 17, knows first hand how lousy a boyfriend Richard McTear Jr. can be. She started dating him about 10 months ago, when she was pregnant with the child of another man, a man in prison. From the beginning, McTear did not warm up to the boy, said the infant’s great aunt Roberta Thomas. Bedwell told Thomas she was frightened of McTear and feared for her boy’s safety.
“She was always scared of him,” Thomas said. “He didn’t care for the child.”
Last month, Bedwell sought an restraining order against McTear for domestic violence. She didn’t appear in court Monday, and the case was dropped. Bedwell claimed McTear had violent tendencies, was armed and dangerous and had a drug problem. They had broken up earlier that month, but he continued to harass and menace her and her son, 3-month-old Emanuel Wesley Murray.
She should have gone to court.
According to a Sheriff’s report published on Tampa Bay Online:
Sometime early this morning, Bedwell, who had been out, returned to her apartment with her baby, according to the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office.
There, she found McTear. He had broken in, said HCSO spokeswoman Debbie Carter.
When Bedwell closed the door, McTear began to beat her with his fists. He choked her, leaving abrasions on her neck. He bit her on the right arm and shoulder.
Then he threatened her and the baby. “I’m gonna kill the both of ya’ll,” he said.
Emanuel was in a car seat. McTear picked it up and threw it across the apartment.
He picked it up and threw it again. Emanuel fell out, onto the concrete floor.
Bedwell then ran out of the apartment, leaving her baby behind, to call for help. Deputies received a call from her shortly after 3 a.m.
When she left, McTear grabbed the child, put him in his Chevrolet Impala and drove off, eventually heading southbound on I275, where he tossed the baby out of the driver’s side 
window onto the shoulder.
That’s right folks. Richard McTear threw a 3-month-old Emanuel Murray out the window of a moving car doing at least 70 miles per hour. The son of a bitch.
According to the Medical Examiner’s Office, the exact cause of death of the infant was blunt impact with skull fractures and brain lacerations.
Investigators are still trying to determine whether Emanuel died in the apartment or later, said HCSO spokeswoman Debbie Carter.
Investigators found McTear’s Impala about 5 a.m. at his home. Four hours later, Tampa police got a tip from a caller who had seen news coverage on the incident and said McTear might be hiding in the nearby apartment complex. Officers immediately rushed to the scene.
McTear ran out a door, and the short chase began, Carter said. Police found McTear hiding in a backyard.
McTear didn’t resist when he was caught, Carter said, but he didn’t say anything to them.
As he was led from a patrol car at the sheriff’s District 2 headquarters, a reporter asked the handcuffed Richard McTear why he threw a three-month-old baby out his car window.
“It’s a dirty game,” McTear said after cursing the media. “It’s a dirty game.”
Richard Anthony McTear Jr. was charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, kidnapping, felony battery and burglary with battery.
One last thing – As he was being led into a van that would take him to jail, McTear spoke again to the media.
He said he loves Bedwell.
And he swore he was innocent.
Does Richard Anthony McTear Jr. Deserve Hell?
- You bet your ass he does. (97%, 817 Votes)
- No he doesn't, I'll pray for him. (3%, 27 Votes)
Total Voters: 844
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WOOPS. Nevermind my email then. LOL.
This is terrible, you know?
This guy should have hooked up for a date with Jeffery Dahmer.
:)
But still…poor, poor baby.
RIP Emanuel, because it’s a shame that you had to go so soon.
A low down dirty shame that this pussy of a man had to throw you out of a moving car, with no regard to your life whatsoever.
That man is a pathetic excuse of a man, and I pray to GOD that your death is justified.
Sweet, angel faced Emanuel.
I don’t understand why people do this shit to children, the ones who put all of their faith and trust into them…This is ludicrus.
We adults are supposed to be the protectors, not the perpetrators.
This sickens me.
I live in tampa and just seen this on the news, what a piece of shit, i cant belive what goes on in some peoples head, how could you do something like that to a helpless child, so cute too, never got to live life, i hope they beat his ass in orient road county jail.
When I stop and think about it too much I cry.
When I stop and think about it too much I get mad enough to chew my own arm off.
There are just no words to describe how f-ing sick this is!
And before anyone says they will pray for him just consider that no amount of prayer will bring that little baby back or heal the heart of his 17 year old mother.
I know a “dirty game” I would like to play with McTear!
What about doing a story on casey anthony??? that would be a great one in your words!!!!
I was wondering about that too. PYSIH mostly covers scumbags that do not get a lot of media attention. Some of the evil people at PYSIH have gotten a lot of media attention like Robert Hawkins, Kimberly Trenor/Royce Ziegler, and Lori Drew. Casey Anthony is a rotten scumbag of the lowest denominator like Lori Drew and Pol Pot.
Everytime you hear something so herrendous which you could not fathom there exists any worse, something like this comes along. Max, this is freaking unbelievable.
I do not understand how anyone could throw a tiny three month old out of a car window. I do not understand how anyone could throw a three month old in their carrier against a wall.
“It’s a dirty game”-what a crock of crap. He aint talking about going toe to toe with a G, he’s talking about violently beating a child to death. Cowardly bitch ass.
I wish I could punch this little bastard in his disgusting mouth-before getting medieval on his ass. Yeah, big badass throws a baby from a car and has an epoch moment with the press. I hope he realizes what a goofy, pathetic waste of life he is. This one makes me really angry.
Burn, motherfucker. Burn.
i just hope he ends up on the same cell block as baby emmanuel’s REAl father… Bet there’s gonna be some Prison Style Payback for this twisted fucker…
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This took a few minutes to sink in. I even called my husband over and read him the article. What is with the disgusting animals that masquerade as human beings killing these beautiful little children?? I’m all for letting the stupid die out in the world, the death penalty for DNA proven cases, etc…. but my god, when you are sitting there contemplating doing the horrendous to others, please go slit your goddamned wrists first!!!!!!!!! Then you leave that poor doomed kid to grow up possibly to become a BETTER PERSON THAN YOU. That’s right… that kid that got slammed into a concrete floor and then died on the side of the street after being flung from a speeding car is worth more dead than that son of a bitch is worth ALIVE. Even not being christian (which gives me an automatic ticket straight to hell for some people out there ;D), I believe that that poor kid was an innocent… he never had the chance to formulate any evil thoughts in his little brain.
I just hope that his mother learns her sad lesson: don’t date abusive people. And if you come across them, get your restraining order paperwork completed. =(
As for the shitbag… may he rot in hell and be the perfect bitch for a big, angry gang of men. Sorry if I’m not as coherent as usual…. this one kind of sucks for me, that picture just makes me want to cuddle that baby and pinch his cheeks… and I’m not even much of a baby person… =(
pls don’t try to understand this, only another demons knows what this fuck was thinking of. I also in some way blame the mother, first, this is why babies shouldn’t have babies. This demon came to her the way he was mean hearted abusive and dumb as shit. Women you can not save demons. she put her and her baby in danger and her baby was the one who suffer the maddness of this demon. he took advantage of her because of her weakness. notice what he said “it’s a dirty game”. the devil has use him and left him so now the real game starts for him. not everyone in jail is a ass like him. he will see hell before he actually goes there. take pray in that.
Oh my god, dude. I really do wish that we used the death penalty more often. This motherfucker deserves it. What a shitbag. I hate it that the mother didn’t go to court. I bet she is gonna be beating herself up over that for a long time. Ladies- this is why it is a very bad thing to stay with an abusive partner.
No – the death penalty is far too easy.
Buried up to his neck, covered in honey, near a fire-ant nest. That’s just for starters.
This poor sweet baby :( He was just a month younger than my little guy, who is sleeping beside me.
I’m not sure why the mother left the apartment without grabbing her baby first … maybe she didn’t think McTear would let her get to him? Or maybe she was just too frightened to think straight. But all I can think is, if someone threw the car seat my baby was in, the LAST thing I would do is leave, even if it were to run for help. But then again, I’m twice this poor girl’s age, and it’s always hard to say what you’d do in a situation like that until you’re in it (heaven forbid).
My only consolation is that baby Emanuel is someplace where no one can ever hurt him again, and that the same can NOT be said of McTear.
Easy answer. I once had that held against me in DV court. The mediator said that “You should have ran and left the baby there”, because the police could retrieve the infant later.
And that, my friends, is why I didn’t leave my baby there with the asshat who was trying to beat my head in.
I agree. I can also state with certainty, having worked with divorce lawyers and having recently had my jaw broken by my partner, that a restraining order is only worth the paper it’s printed on. The shitstain still would have broken into the apartment. Plenty of women are shot dead by fuckheads they have restraining orders against. People who physically beat you could give a rats ass about a piece of paper you have stating “stay away”.
Silly, silly woman. She was terified of him. She was scared for the welfare of her child. And yet she faild to follow through an get that damned restaining order. Not that it would have done her any good mind you. Seems like he was hell bent on hurting that poor child and no peice of paper saying he couldnt was going to stop him from getting his way.
I know she probably did her best and thought that running for help was the way to go. I can relate to that fear. But me, i would have stayed in that house and fought tooth and nail and died trying to save my baby. No way would i have left without my kid.
But all the what if’s and the woulda, coulda, shoulda’s are not going to bring that precious child back. Im praying that she isnt so utterly and patheticlly stupid that she would believe his pledge of love and innocence. If she is, well she deserves to burn right next to him.
Who the fuck can bulid up that much rage and hate for a child?
It always amazes me… the small fraction of voters that don’t find someone worthy of Hell. If you believe in Hell, then surely you believe some people have earned an express ticket to never-ending pain and suffering — otherwise, what’s the point of Hell? If you don’t believe in Hell (count me in), then you can certainly get behind the idea that some people are so hopelessly without a shred of humanity in them, that they’re just a pox, a cancer, on Earth… and deserve “Hell” by whatever interpretation you spin. I like to think of Hell as a lifelong prison sentence with a cellmate named “Bone Crusher” who refers to you as his “girl”, and a cell block of inmates that get a little ugly toward baby killers. I hope McTear goes to Hell.
“Jasmine Marie Bedwell… she started dating him…when she was pregnant with the child of another man, a man in prison.”
I hope Richard Anthony McTear Jr. runs into Emanuel Murray’s daddy in prison.
jesus christ. PLEASE send this ass fucker down to my end of town for just a day, ok HALF a day! I swear to god I will beat the soul out of this little boy and show him what domestic abuse is all about. I will fuck him up and then pour bleach into his dirty baby killing veins. I will curb stomp this little bitch until his jaw tears apart at the seam and leave his coward ass to bleed to death in a ditch. Then Ill come back and shit on his corpse…..fuckin scum of the earth…….
What a sicko! Richard McTear got a spot in Hell and I am surprised one voted No he doesn’t, I’ll pray for him. I think it should be You bet your ass he does and I’ll pray for him to go to Hell.
My lil’ punkin is just 6 months old … I couldn’t imagine someone throwing a sweet, little, innocent baby out a window like a cigarette butt … I can’t wrap my head around this at all. Poor baby.
Please let this stupid piece of shit n****r bastard burn slowly. He needs to get his ass kicked everyday for the rest of his worthless life.
I would love to have a sledgehammer and 10 minutes alone with this fucking retarded douchebag.
He better get death!!!!!Cocksucker..
just read about this asshole in the online paper i read a lot, what a fucking piece of shit!
so again i ask (as i often do), can he get the death penalty? this is really close to premeditated murder.
Women should be more careful about who they allow to be around their children. It was obvious that this was coming. He said in earlier incidents he was going to kill the baby…
Ok, I know ya’ll are going to hammer me, but I gotta say it. I know that 17 year olds are not the sharpest knife in the drawer and not known for making the best decisions. But the father of her unborn baby was in jail. And she takes up with another, violent, offender. She refuses to appear in court for the TRO. She abandons her baby to a nut job who is beating it. Granted, he was beating her as well. But still, she left her infant in the hands of a madman. No, I am not saying that she is guilty of the infants murder or an accessory to his murder. All I am saying is she made some really poor choices. I just don’t understand the propensity of individuals who actively seek out as mates the most violent and degrading humans. Sorry, babbling.
It is a sad, sad situation. I cannot imagine throwing a child anywhere, much less out of a car window. I hope Florida gives him the needle. And I have no doubt he will be on the express elevator to hell when he dies.
I have to imagine that this poor girl’s childhood was NOT ideal. If all you’ve ever known is being treated like crap, chances are you’re going to pick guys who treat you like crap. It does sound like she was trying to get away from this guy for her baby’s sake, which is more than I can say for some of the women we see on PYSIH.
That poor angel. My heart just breaks whenever I see his picture. He looks like he was very loved and well taken care of.
Thanks for saying it, and I agree.
First 17 – I did some really stupid stuff at that age, and I am sure I would have been stupider if I was bolder than I was.
Second – he CHOSE to date someone who is already carrying someone else’s baby….. Maybe he though the baby would become just a meal ticket – I mean how could a woman love a sweet baby more than him?
Third – this POS is not a bastard – he’s a Jr, so that means the world either has or had a Sr. – another one of these……. that scares me as well…..
I hope that he becomes Bubba’s bitch in prison, I hope he dies after being gang raped and he dies because he bled out his asshole. I hope he dies BEFORE the trial – I am sick of scum bag attys making so much money. I don’t want to hear about his childhood – yes it was probably bad, but that is still no excuse to be a self centered abusive dickhead.
I hope Bubba forces this POS to bite off his own penis!
There will be all manner of questions that will be raised about this disgusting situation. Mainly about a 17 y/o girl, yes many many questions. As for the 21 y/o bitch who did this…….he won’t see 22 that is assured.
Wow…fair fight…21 yr old against 3 mos old…If it was a battle of wits, McTear surely would’ve lost!
You can’t blame this mother. Most of the time CRAZY shows up late. I don’t know her, but I doubt he portrayed himself as the monster that he turned out to be from the beginning. Also we don’t know why the child’s father is in jail. And why didn’t she go to court? Maybe he threatened her and because of how violent he had proven himself to be she believed him. As for her abandoning her baby, she probably thought that if she could just get both of them help …….. who would think that someone would be so hateful as to do this to a child. She did what she thought given the extenuating circumstances. My heart goes out to her. I am a mother of four and couldn’t imagine having to bury any of my babies.
I agree with you. I think that a lot of people have been making some very unfair comments about the mother of this child. Nobody knows the exact situation that she was in that night. Maybe she thought the only chance she and the baby had was for her to get outside and scream for help. I personally have nothing but sympathy for her. He’s the monster, not her. I just hope that she doesn’t let this totally destroy her. It sounds as if she was just starting to get her life together.
4 things about this that make this totally terrible situation “better”:
1) Men who murder children are the lowest denominator in prison.
2) There are some very tough MEN in prison unlike this sissy who beats up girls and kills children
3) The MEN in prison will show this pile of SH## exactly what kind of man he is
4) This pile of SH## has many long hard years a head of him. Enjoy your life McFear. Pay backs a bitch
RIP sweet baby Emanual. I’m sorry your mom couldn’t have chosen her friends more wisely.
he loves beating up on women and babies but I’m sure that pos dog will meet his match in prison. That dog, my gosh, how can someone hurt a child.
please don’t offend the dogs out there… lol hes not worthy to sniff balls..
This is TNB. This is what black males do. I was happy to see that the baby was not White though.
It takes a real arrogance to do what McTear, Jr. did. He thinks his self-worth is so important that he beat a teenager mother and killed her kid. Why? She was his ex-girlfriend and must have somehow disrespected him. So this black male – with typical infinite black male ego – killed the kid.
And you know what else? McTear, Jr. won. Yeah he won at least I’m sure in his mind he won. That kid is dead and that baby’s mammy is gonna hurt for a long time. There’s a limit to what the criminal justice system will do to McTear, Jr. He won.
You are ignorant. Please keep the stupid racism to yourself. Has your genius self even perused the news recently? LOTS of white folks out there, good old boys raping and destroying their own kids and others. In fact, please review the case where the angry asian man tossed his kids off of a bridge because he was mad at his wife!
Get over yourself. The time of the white sheet clad KKK is long past. Feel free to swallow any amount of arsenic necessary to get this stupidity out of the system. Might I also suggest you get a real education at a non Redneck University while you are at it? There are some real dumbass retards coming out of colleges these days…. but at least they’ll force you to take some biology/Anthropology and perhaps even *gasp* a class from a “cultural perspective”. We have to hope if that is the case that it won’t be “From a Black Perspective” though… you might end up getting shanked after class. And gosh,what a shame that would be! =(
*sarcasm*
It’s hard for me to rap my mind around the idea that someone would even have such a horrid thought in their pea brain, but to express it… you have blown my fucking mind. A three month old baby is dead. Dead. Not a three month old BLACK baby. A three month old baby. A child. Innocent. Show some respect.
I am seriously shaking with rage. First at the waste of space who decided it was okay to throw a baby out of a moving vehicle. Second at this fucking stupid cunt for thinking it was okay to feel good about the fact that it wasn’t a white baby who died. You need therapy. Immediately.
That’s the thing with certain types of people (I have aunts and uncles who are very racist), and they’re so sure of their beliefs that they think every other white person on the planet thinks the same way. They honestly believe were just not saying it. They’re brains are so twisted and irrational that they can’t even comprehend that the rest of us really do think of them as backwards half-brained knuckle-dragging morons. And they’ll spout their racist idiocy at every opportunity, and they’ll do it with pride.
Jeffrey Dahlmer, a Typical White Male, had sex with Gay Black and white men, killed them and ate them. This is what typical White men do. They trick Gay Black men into having sex with them then kill them, eat them and plan elaborate displays built from their corpses.
You’re a twit and this has nothing to do with twitter. Black men are not defined by the actions of one man, any more than all White men may be defined by the actions of Hitler or some other bigot. Recently they proved that the human race not only interbred with the Neanderthal but that we subsumed the species into our own, retaining some of the characteristics. While we insult one another, calling each other Neanderthals, I’d like any racist worth their epithet to take a look in the mirror at their facial structures and features and think about the fact that one of their ancestors not only bred with but created offspring with a creature with a pronounced eye ridge, a receding occipital plate, and a fierce under bite, with a powerful jaw. Though we have no written record of these events, isn’t it strange that we managed to overcome our differences so much better in those times, that we continued both genetic lines through miscegenation. We would not be the humans we are today without that influx of traits and characteristics.
I fear though, too much Neanderthal remains within you. You need to expand what you are and over come your weaknesses.
Actually this is a misconception. The last I read, scientists were saying that via dna analysis that we are *not* descended through the Neanderthals. Or was it something about mitochondrial DNA? Hmmm
There’s a seasonal back and forth in this regard. I read the journal article about the first German sequencing of Mitochondiral DNA from a Neanderthal and how it fell outside of the range of human development, but I’ve also read articles on Mitochondrial Eve for the last few years as well. The mitochondrial DNA is passed from mother to offspring. There appears to have been a single human female who passed us the core of ours, with limited mutation, and the argument then would be that if their mitochondria weren’t passed on, then they weren’t part of our species.
That doesn’t fall within a logical proof, since we know Neanderthals died off, we can assume that Humans at some time before now, outnumbered them.
If Neanderthal birth mirrored our own at roughly half male and half female, and they were 1/10 of our population or less when we merged then the likelihood of their mitochondrial DNA surviving to the modern generations is highly unlikely. Let’s consider a different scope then.
We have archaeological proof that Humans and Neanderthals shared geographic proximity and in fact thrived next to one another. We have found the inter mingling of Neanderthal bones with human bones in ritual burial spots. Finally, from what we’ve seen, there appear to have been physiological changes in Homo Sapiens roughly at the same time, that mirror some traits.
Now, sample everyone, in every remote corner of this world and check the mitochondrial spectrum and we still might not find a call back to the Neanderthal mitochondrial Eve, but we can attempt to find some other reference point.
<3 Anthropology =)
I wish it paid more so that I could make a proper career out of it instead of working the purely forensic side of it.
Anyway I just wanted to say that you are awesome to know any of this stuff (as kiddie as that makes me sound sorry!), and that the next time we have a posting about anything anthropology I won’t dumb it down at all =) In fact, I may need to go back to reading since I don’t start a proper program in my field until September and I’m a little rusty!
Not to insult anybody who comes to read this site but my hubby has told me time and time again in his own little way that not everyone finds the intricacies of bones, corpses, evolution and basically everything anthropological to be as fascinating as I do!!!!!
BTW have you considered parallel evolution? I believe that was one of the offerings, that the two did not interbreed but that the Neanderthal line was a dead branch on the evolutionary tree, and did not lead directly to Homo Sapiens. Also, I’m not the best at math, but if everyone receives their mitochondrial dna via the female lineage, then WOULDN’T everyone have some past linkage to the supposed mitochondrial Eve? You’d be able to trace it back if it survived in the bone samples, even in the case of mutation, because the mutations could be tracked fairly accurately if you found a complete enough sampling.
BTW this is just for argument’s sake, I am not some sort of Homo Sapiens purist who would be sullied by the knowledge that one of my ancestors boned a Neanderthal ;D
We do appear to be able to trace our DNA back to a possible mitochondrial Eve, that’s the point the Germans were trying to make, that if we interbred with Neanderthals we’d have some of their mitochondrial DNA within our range. My argument is that somewhere along the line, the Neanderthal descendants had more boys than girls until there were no female Neanderthals to carry on the line.
To parallel evolution, I raise you, selective breeding. If our intention was to achieve things the Neanderthals possessed, then we were living with them, and desired traits they had. If we desired their traits, why wouldn’t we breed with them? Since we can tell that we’d probably have been fertile with them, apparently even if we didn’t breed with them we developed desirable traits to imitate them, then why not the far simpler solution that we actually did breed with them, but that we so outnumbered them, that the ratio of females who could pass on their mitochondria were too far outnumbered by our human females descended from Mitochondrial Eve.
There’s yet another interesting proof. Our DNA is very resilient. An experiment in the mid to late 90’s sought to see how resilient it is. They used a restrictive enzyme to compare unique lengths of unzipped DNA of Chimpanzees and Humans in a vial. Chimps are 98%+ genetically similar, but the results from the tests resulted in Human DNA, not a hybridization, Chimp DNA was not distinguishable, human DNA overwrote Chimp DNA whenever we bothered to let the RNA transcript the lines . Why and where would we have developed a genetic resiliency of this nature? There’s been a suggestion that the first human-ape (split from Chimpanzees) may have walked this Earth as much as 7 million years ago (Toumai), given that the planet may have been shared by as many as 17 different major human like species at the same time, with dead branches all along, perhaps one of the most telling developments of human kind was a resilient genome that survived interbreeding and became dominantly human, even when we bothered to interbreed. That resiliency came from somewhere.
But I digress…
I applaud your anthropology background and endeavors. I wish it paid more as well, mainly because I think Anthropology is a valuable field that is more than mere entertainment, it’s a way of discovering why things work the way they do. As a last little teaser, you may have read the same things I did that suggested that the Neanderthals practices ritualized defleshing of bones as well as possibly cannibalism, yet human beings have ancient taboos that predate written history and follow us in oral traditions in multiple cultures world wide. These traditions would arguably suggest that perhaps the real way we bred the Neanderthal out of our civilization is that they greatly impacted their survivability by reinfecting the living with the diseases that were killing them through ritual taboo. If that’s the case, then Neanderthals may have been the first species we know of to have committed self-extinction through cultural belief.
Imagine the moron in this story who threw a child out a window. We reject what he did not only because it’s a question of right and wrong, but because it insures his own incarceration, the end of his genetic proclivities and hopefully provides an example that might prevent women from sleeping with men like him.
Ok. So by your own previous post, if the reproductive success of the Neanderthals roughly equaled our own, then they would have had a similar number of male vs. female children. That being said, your later argument concerning the number of females passing on their mitochondrial dna wouldn’t be valid unless some other factor was present. Value of the breeding stock perhaps.
As for defleshing the bones of their dead: That is an amusing theory =) I’m so glad that we’ve come so far in the interests in hygiene and disease prevention!
It can be argued that we are probably going to put our own species into extinction however by the way we run our society, but I won’t get into that, as it can turn into one giant clusterfuck of theory and argument, but consider this: The Chinchorro mummies had not just their organs removed, but also many had their skins rolled off as well and replaced with clay replicas. I have not studied the Chinchorro civilization extensively, but with a quick google I don’t see anything about them becoming extinct. It would be very odd indeed if the Neanderthals made themselves extinct through the proclivities of their own culture, and yet a later civilization skated through! Which isn’t to say it couldn’t happen, of course ;D
As for the “gentleman” who chucked the baby out of the car…. that is just a disgusting regression of behavior to past and happily DEAD culture. Speaking strictly of history, it has been acceptable in the past to kill unwanted babies through exposure, drowning, etc. What we object to now is the abject manner in which he discarded our social norms to cause pain and suffering to what we consider to be an innocent life that deserves a chance. We react to him as the disgusting rabid animal (outside of normal society) that he is.
Not as classy, well put or textbook as yours, but this is where my thoughts lie =)
Ok. So by your own previous post, if the reproductive success of the Neanderthals roughly equaled our own, then they would have had a similar number of male vs. female children.
Ah, that’s just it, we also have a Y chromosome Adam, from which the human race has as a common ancestor for all Y chromosomes. He lived 600,000 to 900,000 years ago. He, like mitochondrial Eve became the dominant DNA supplier for our species through bottlenecks in population. While the Neanderthals would have a 50/50 split in a population, it would take only a single generation in which they were the part of the population that had only male children to wipe out their mitochondrial DNA, just as 13 Urasian Y donors were wiped out to a single Y chromosome for the majority of the Caucasian population. Again, 1 in 10 as Neanderthals, serving as equals in the group. When the wars come, maybe their males aren’t as swift. When child bearing occurs, maybe some defect makes it more likely for males to survive. These are details we’d find difficult to know.
That being said, your later argument concerning the number of females passing on their mitochondrial dna wouldn’t be valid unless some other factor was present. Value of the breeding stock perhaps.
We’ve had an ice age between here and there, there are quite a few things that could have occurred, not least of which is breast size and milk production, major contributors could also have been traveling gait, internal core temperature, efficiency of movement, longevity, sperm count, and a host of other details, halitosis from eating the dead might also play out.
What was in at one point might have been out at another. All the while, brain sizes were changing because of changes in diet. Good stuff.
What difference does it make what color skin the baby had? What a terrible thing to write.
Don’t you know it is only appropriate to speak negativly of the white race? Where is your white guilt?
In my opinion, humble as I guess it should be considering that I am multi-ethnic and not “pure” race or whatever BS…. we really shouldn’t speak negatively about any “race” considering “race” isn’t really a scientific designation.
For fucks sake, I don’t see tabby cats beating up persian cats, nor persians beating up the Abyssinians based on fur color! Nope, they pretty much love/hate/fuck each other indiscriminately. Or are we too “civilized” to not discriminate? lol
Besides, let’s be honest: every “race” has it’s share of trailer-trash retards. It’s not exclusive or anything. ;D
Moron.
Uh, the above post was for Penny. I keep doing that.
Lynn, I suggest you go back and read the previous story about Stacey Marie Barker. By your way of thinking, I guess that’s what White women do – and the baby was white, by the way.
Your logic is so flawed it would be a waste of time for me to even explain all the reasons why it is flawed. Besides, people like you aren’t interested in making sense, you’re only interested in spreading hate.
First, I want to say that this story is disgusting. Anyone who throws a child out of a moving vehicle, is a hooligan. I don’t care if the pitcher is black, white, tan, purple, or green; and I don’t care if the pitchee is black, white, tan, purple, or green. Whoever gets joy out of this is a mush head–I don’t care if it was Mother Teresa.
Now, I would like to comment on Lyn’s statement, “that’s what black males do”; sure there may be statistics to back this up (80% of the prison population is made up of Black people; yet they only represent 13% of the population as a whole), but, we could also cite other statistics. What about 80% of financial crimes being committed by white people? Does that mean we should just assume that every bank robbery or financial transaction crime is committed by a white? Or what about the majority of deportations occuring in the United States centering around the latin/hispanic race? Does that mean that ONLY hispanics come to this country illegally? No. So before you decide to come here next time, make sure what you plan to post isn’t so asinine. Just because the shoe fits; doesn’t mean you should wear it.
I am having a lot of trouble getting past the “Im glad it wasn’t a white baby” comment as well. I can’t fathom, as a human being, caring more or less about a crime perpetrated against a child simply based on race. A child is a child no matter what– and small minded people like you are the reason the world is the way it is.
( I know people have pointed out all of this before me, and I’m sorry I have just reiterated all of those thoughts–I guess I was just a little late on this one.)
Doesn’t matter if he is Black, White, Yellow, or Brown. He’s scum and deserves to rot in Hell.
Lyn, take your stupid ass down to the nearest KKK meeting.
I’m sick and tired of you white supremicist trash coming around and saying “black people did this, black people did that.”
You know what? White people do it just the fucking same.
This child’s or the perpetrator’s race has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that a 3 month old baby’s life was cut short because some punk ass little boy couldn’t keep his anger in check.
You need to rethink your hate-filled comments…look at all those WHITE people that killed children.
Susan Smith…locked her kids in a car, and drove it into a pond, and LEFT THEM TO DIE. The youngest was only 18 months…the oldest: 3!
How about Andrea Yates…claimed the devil made her drown all five of her kids. BULLSHIT! She got tired of having to take care of them…the youngest, EIGHT MONTHS OLD!!!!!
So…this is TNB?
Get fucking serious, and do some research.
Brush up on your history.
“I was happy to see that the baby was not white though.” …..WTF??? Of all the ignorant shit i have heard today, your comment hit the top of the list. I have two sons who are biracial and three children who are caucasion. They are all equal. They are all MY children and are loved equally. Your racist bullshit is just that…bullshit!
Lyn, let me see if I’ve got this straight: you were happy that the BABY who died wasn’t WHITE? Seriously? So is black infanticide only 3/5 as bad as white infanticide, or is the ratio lower than that? What are the numbers for Asian infanticide — I’m curious. Holy $&!#! You are pretty Hell-worthy yourself, lady!
This is TNB. This is what black males do.
WTF?? Mighty “white” of ya to paint the entire black male population with the same brush…what are you retarded??
I agree with motherof3 Xs100 about the Jeff Dahmer thing. *-*
Rot in hell you lowlife piece of sh*t. To throw a baby out of a speeding car like a cigarette butt… Wish they could slam YOUR skull into the pavement at 75MPH. People make me sick.
We all deserve hell, some more than others. Fortunately, Jesus died for my sins and for this assholes sins too. That is between him and God. I hope he gets the death penalty, after some serious jailhouse justice.
Oh, this just makes me sick! What a sick twisted fucktard this monster is! I wish the electric chair was still an option for this disgusting waste of a being! Unfuckingbelievable!
I love this site. Not one person gave Lyn a get out of jail free card concerning her racist comment. They made it known that this is about a CRAZY INDIVIDUAL doing some CRAZY MESS. Crazy and Evil have colors all of their own. Also how in the world does she know exactly what color the baby is. When a child is bi-racial they can look all black, all white, or a little of both. This child’s mother could be white, I’ve never seen a pic of her. Not that it matters. The baby will be missed by family, friends, and those who’s lives have been touched by his tragic and untimely death.
Thanks Youdidwhat. I may be prouder of what you said here than any other compliment we’ve ever gotten. Being recognized for something that is so close to my heart is just beautiful.
No, she’s black, but light complected.
But what the hell does skin color matter when a three month old child has been murdered?
That is the only importance of this article.
A BABY WAS MURDERED.
White people kill their kids too.
Andrea Yates, Casey Anthony, Stacey Barker, Susan Smith..the list goes on and on..
Murder has no bounds on the skin color.
Those who are suffer the same outcome. DEATH.
Susan Smith is a big scumbag. She claimed a Black person kidnapped her children. As it turned out, she killed them. What a sick freak!
Exactly. She used a stereotype and tried to deflect the blame from herself, which makes her even more psychotic..and that live plea for her son’s lives? Pfft.
That bitch can choke on her shoelaces for all I care.
i heard about this yesterday. so f*ckin sick! i cannot fathom throwing ANYONE out of a moving vehicle, let alone a defensless, beautiful lil baby. the g/f should have went to court, her baby would probably still be alive, poor thing. i hope mr. mctear gets his ass mcTEARED up in jail…
I can kinda fathom throwin this McTear asshole out a window;)
I can fathom tossing McTear out of an airplane into the Mariana Trench.
I don’t think that an order of protection against this snake would have kept him away from the ex-girlfriend and her baby. Only law-abiding citizens obey court orders, and McTear is clearly NOT a law abiding citizen.
i hope this mother fucker is somebody bitch every night if he make if out of jail…
There is one thing I dont’ understand… Why would she leave the baby alone with this maniac if even herself was afraid of him and feared for the safety of her child? Doesn’t make any sense to me… I can’t wait to hear a story that ends with “Fortunely the child survived” Or something in the lines of that.
I agree that this asshole needs to go directly to hell. I’m not one that usually votes, but this one really bothered me. I am sick to my stomach now… To all of you who are saying that the mother should have went to court to get the restraining order – YES, she should have, but as sick as this dude is – that wouldn’t have stopped him. BURN BABY BURN!!!!
I agree that a restraining order wouldn’t have stopped him, but it would be one less thing for this mother to beat herself up over in the coming years. You can bet that she’s going to be doing a lot of that.
The point of a restraining order is not really to keep the creep away – it’s to give law enforcement the ability to respond quickly and remove/incarcerate the asshole if he comes around.
I do blame the mother for not moving ahead with the process. She didn’t kill the poor baby, but goddammit – she allowed this violent asshole to be around that child. Everyone seems to have known that he didn’t like the baby. Everyone knew he was a violent thug. This toxic mix of hate and God knows what all else, was a ticking time-bomb, and the mom didn’t bother to go to court to protect her baby.
AND – what the fuck is with all these mothers running out and leaving the babies behind? To call for help? Puhleeeeze. There is no damned way I would leave my baby with a psycho like that. He would have to kill me to get to my baby. And I am not exaggerating.
So, yeah – the fucked up thug is the murderer, but he had a lot of assistance from the enablers surrounding him.
I agree Mazzi. I had so many problems with the mother. No, I don’t blame her for the child’s death, so don’t scream at me people. I know she is young. But when are girls going to learn that violent thug does not mean cool dude. It is not a status thing. AND it is not a race thing. I don’t know about ya’ll, but where I live, teen girls of all races are drawn to gang members like Homer Simpson is to donuts. So many of them have children with multiple fathers who are in and out of the system. It’s really a sad commentary on our society.
I can’t believe she ran from her child. I know that I never could. To my dying breath I would stay and fight. This was a situation that was guaranteed to end badly with someone either severely injured or dead. She must live with that memory. Hopefully, he won’t live much past the processing unit upon reaching the DOC.
Blondie and Mazzi… I’m not saying it’s RIGHT but according to the “professionals” the women in that situation are SUPPOSED to run. I already said, when we went to DV court, they made it seem like my fear of the person hurting me wasn’t all that real and/or my mental status wasn’t all that clear if I did not leave my child behind and call 911. I know this because I couldn’t believe what was coming out of the mediator’s mouth and asked WTF I was “supposed” to do… and she stated that had I left, the police could have rescued my daughter later.
AS WE ALL SEE THAT DOESN’T ALWAYS WORK OUT SO WELL… but that is what they want us to do apparently.
I know all about what the professionals say. The professionals also tell you (women especially) that when faced with sexual assault involving a weapon, the last thing you should do is fight back. I am living proof that you can fight back, you just have to be smarter than your assailant. I fought back, disarmed him, broke his face and sent him to prison. But that is me. I DO NOT advocate anyone fighting back when a weapon is involved, but if you know yourself and your capabilities, trust your instincts. My instincts are to fight, especially for my children. I could never abandon them to seek help. Even if it meant my own death. But no one truly knows what they would do in a situation until faced with the situation. Unfortunately, I know what I am capable of. I wish I didn’t. But I take comfort in knowing that I can protect myself and my family even though I am a tiny little woman. If you did not punch the mediator in the face for their callous comment, you are a much better person than me.
I hope you hit his nose with your forehead and broke it so it whistles when he sleeps, and the snoring irritates all of his lifer cellmates. Congrats to you.
Broke his fucking face, eh Blondi? I knew I liked you for a reason. Like most cats, I’m a pretty good judge of character.
Yes, your head is a valuable weapon. Still have the scar on the back of my head where his teeth lodged and a small scar on my neck from where he tried to slit it. Broke his nose, cheek bone and a couple of teeth. I was really pissed. Got even more pissed when the detectives told me I did a bad, bad thing by fighting back. Pfftttt. What the bastard didn’t realize was that I’m a farm girl, raised by cops, CO’s and PO’s, who was a hell of a lot stronger than she looked, 100% meaner and smarter. Of course I was young and stupid then. Had it happened today, I don’t think I would have sat on him until the cops showed up. In fact, I know I wouldn’t. Self defense.
Blondie – you ROCK, my friend!
Alanna, I don’t disagree with you, but I don’t think mom gave a fuck about what the “experts” say to do. She obviously didn’t bother to go to court to protect herself and the baby, and the “experts” absolutely recommend that.
Even so, I really don’t care what they say. Natural maternal instinct is to protect your cubs/kittens/babies. To run away without the child would require one damned tough self-control, if you really believed it was the best tactic. And, I don’t think that chick even knows what self-control means. 17 years old – fucked one loser and got prego. Camped out with an abusive penis and let him beat her and the baby up. Naw, girlfriend doesn’t have the self-preservation gene – she ran because she was only worried about her own ass.
That said – SHE did not kill that baby. She merely neglected and manipulated the environment which allowed the baby to be killed. So, I would not send her to hell, but DAMMIT, I wish we could staple her uterus shut before she spawns more babies with the steady stream of thugs that seem to want to screw her.
Right on. Motherfucker got something he did not expect, that is for sure. You rock, Blondie.
Thank you Poptart. The asshole didn’t expect me to show up for each and every one of his parole hearings either, but there I was smiling at him. Each time I would say the same thing: “I’m back.” Followed by, “see you next year.”
Good for you. I hope that bastard rots in prison.
Well, he’s rotting anyway. Caught a shiv about a year before his sentence was up. Pissed off the wrong guy. Have to say, I did breath a sigh of relief at his untimely passing.
CONGRATS…. now if only all the abusive bastards in the world could have some sort of “what goes around” moment, the world might be a better place.
WTF! Are you that sick too? A helmet? Get real dude
i am from the uk and i thought the people in my coutry were sick but it just gos to show there are sick B*****Ds every where and we all live in a sick sick world.
i hope he roots in hell.
sweet dreams baby x x
First of all, I am going to agree with you blondie. I was raped and did the same thing. I fought back. I didn’t fight back because I thought I was doing the right thing or because I thought that I was going to get away. I wanted to hurt him as badly as he was hurting me and I wanted him to see my face everytime that he looked at his face. I also know that I did everything possible to prevent this from happening to me. Looking back, I can’t regret anything because I did fight.
As for this mother, whether she is young or not should not account for her leaving her child. Other people have stated that legally they are supposed to leave your child but this makes no sense to me. She already witnessed this man throw her child twice but yet didn’t think that he would go on hurting this baby. It seemed like his rage was aimed at this child and not at the woman. I, as a mother, would have called this “thing” every name I could have thought of to direct his rage at me instead of my child, the whole time yelling like a banshee. I didn’t read anywhere that he had a weapon so this would have just been a fistfight. I believe that the mother could have survived getting beaten whereas this child couldn’t survive getting thrown out of a car. I do not blame her for choosing this man, we all make mistakes. She did try to get away from this relationship so I respect her for this and place no blame. I only blame her for thinking of herself in a situation that needed her to think of her child. Run to the kitchen for a knife, run to a closet for a baseball bat, but do not run out to allow him to torture your child.
Lewbell, I applaud you for fighting. I always say that I would fight tooth and nail. If I thought the rapist was going to kill me, I would fight so hard that he would have to do it fast, not let him string me along and torture me first.
One thing though – I don’t think that the mom was trying to leave this dickbag. Yeah she made the initial attempt, but she never followed through. I just have to wonder how many “awwwwww-baby-you-know-I-love-you’s” it took for her to decide not to go back to court?
I think you are 100% correct that the baby was the target of his rage, and the fact that she ran seems just… unthinkable.
I also cannot understand WHY she ran without her child. I have been in a similar situation and i could have run. But my sons were in the house. So i stayed and copped a hiding that left me with broken bones. There was no way i was going without my kids. And eventually, while he was asleep, i was able to grab my boys and go. God knows what he would have done if i had left them there with him. But my gut, and my knowledge of this man is that he would have killed them and then himself. He felt that he owned them, and if he couldnt have them then i couldnt either.
I dont know how she could even get her legs to move in the opposite direction of her injured child.
Having said that, there is a definate pattern that links and keeps women with violent men.
Most abused women have little self esteem before they hook up with abusers. For many of them, they have a backround of violence in the home. And so the abuse seems normal almost. They are also scared.
Abusive partners often alienate their women from their family and friends so that they have no support network should they decide to leave. They have no control over their finances, often being given an allowance that is a mere pittance. That way, they dont have the money to leave.
These men also keep taking hits to their womens self esteem. “look at you you ugly bitch, noone else would put up with you…” etc, etc.
They are literally beaten into submission.
And those women who do make the break, and get away and stay away…they are VERY strong indeed.
I was talking to a man not long ago who’s wife was hidng out at our local womans refuge. He told me that he ALWAYS picked the good girls, the shy girls when loking for a partner. Why? In his words, ” they are easier to control.” It took all i had not to show him a little ‘physical abuse’ right then and there.
Abusive men are manipulative.
I was a battered wife. When i look back i wonder what he hell i was doing. And to be honest i cant explain what was going through my head. I do remember feeling uttery alone and powerless and thinking that i would never escape. It was like laying down to die because you think you have no other choice. It was the love for my sons that made me get away. Wanting them to ave a better life than i did. And years later i am a different person. No way would i ever tolerate a man even cussing at me let alone hitting me.
I can understand that she needed to run. But without her child??? That is something i will NEVER understand.
You, my dear Lewbell have a strong survival instinct. Don’t let anyone ever tell you otherwise. Remember, victims dwell on the past bad memories while survivors live for the future in spite of the memories. Keep the faith my friend.
Rest in Peace you poor little angel. I have a 4 month old, and they are so innocent and helpless. This is uncomprehensible to me. I am so sad, my prayers go out to all who loved Emanuel.
This guy is beyond scum and I hope he rots. I want to address the mom and the restraining order, though. This girl has been a foster child since her early teen years. She was mistreated most of her life by various caregivers so abuse was what she knew to be normal. No she didn’t appear in court to extend the restraining order and the reason is unclear. But she was a teen mom who relied on public transportation and had a very shaky support system consisting mainly of social workers. Getting to the courthouse to file the paperwork wasn’t as easy as just hopping in the car and driving over. And it’s been mentioned before, a piece of paper wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference. The only one to blame here is the ass who thinks throwing babies out of car windows is just a dirty game.
This is exactly the kind of girl who has no business bringing an innocent child into this world. I sympathize with the fact that she was abused/neglected. But once she procreates, it’s not about HER any more. She is no longer allowed to be the victim. She must now be the protector. And she failed.
If she had social workers helping her, then she has NO excuse for not going to court. Her baby needed her to do that and she didn’t.
I believe in the natural goodness of people, and I believe that she cared for her baby. I believe that she didn’t want this scumball to hurt her baby. I believe that she probably did the best she could. But that was NOT good enough when there was a vulnerable baby depending on her. Parents can make mistakes – plenty of them – and still have emotionally and physically healthy kids. But this poor little guy’s deck was already stacked way against him. He deserved a chance, and this selfish little girl never gave him one.
As I have said repeatedly, McTear was the killer. But Jasmine had a duty to protect that baby, and she failed. She doesn’t deserve to be punished for it, but I sure as hell hope she will close her legs and take a pill every morning, and stay away from thugs from now on. If here baby’s death can save a few more kids from being born like that, then it will not have been in vain. RIP baby Emanuel.
Well, you and Amy are certainly very lucky people to have all the answers.
Well, when it comes to bringing children into this world, you can’t afford to “wing it”, now can you?
No one has all the answers up front. All we can hope for is wisdom and common sense, and guidance from people who have faced whatever it is we are facing, before us. Just taking the easiest path is not always the best way to go – some decisions are really freaking hard, but you do them for those babies that you chose to bring in the world. And, I admit that I have no sympathy for people who do not understand that.
I have never claimed to have all the answers. But what i do have is experience. I have my own personal experience with abusive men ( father, partner) and i work with abused women on a daily basis. I know it happens, but in the eight years i have been working with these women, i have yet to come across one who ran away while their child/children were being beaten.
Im not saying that she desreves to be punished any more than she will punish herself. Im just saying i dont understand her actions.
Now honestly, do you think she will stop dating and breeding with violent,losers? Because i dont think she will.
Look, just setting foot in the Court house to get a restraining order is hard. Doing it witout any support is even worse. But women all over the world do it everyday. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO. I walked three km’s with five kids (one in a pram) in the pouring rain to the nearest train station and then rode the train for an hour to the city to get to the Court house to file the restraining order. It wasnt easy. I was wet, scared, intimidated, emotionally and physically exhausted and i would have rather have stayed at home and hid out. But my kids needed me. If i was hurt or dead, what happens to them? So i sucked it up, and i did it.
This is even worse. She wasnt just afraid for herself. She was afraid for her child too. This man had made it obvious that he hated that little boy.
Like i said before. I really DO understand fear. But i will never understand how anyone runs in the oppisite direction when their child is being hurt.
Amen sistah Amy! RIP baby Emanual!
I have to mention that I was in a abusive relationship last summer when my baby was 2. I was newly divorced & had low self-esteem. After taking several hits from this loser of a scumbag I had enough. I should’ve called the cops many many many times, but I was in fear of the “consenquences.” After the final threat from him that involved killing my daughter & I – that was it! I immediately went to the courthouse – shaking – but managed to get the restraining order completed. A couple of weeks after I received the restraining order, he was sent to prison boot camp for charges that were non-related to my case. Since then, I have not feared for my life, BUT I have 7 days until he is released from prison & with GOD by my side and for the LOVE OF MY DAUGHTER – I will not tolerate anything from this demon. To all the women on this site that have been through all the motions of abuse & for sharing your stores – THANK YOU! You give me strength. I am better than people like this & I would fight any demon in this world if it ever came to my love of my life – my one and only daughter.
*sighs*
Tayder, its scary when your abuser gets out of prison. I know i had a hard time dealing with the fact my abuser was a free man and could come look me up anytime. For a while i was really parinoid and locked myself away, scared i would run into him on the street, or that he would see me and follow me home. It took me a month to realise that i was letting im control my life still, and so i made a determined effort to go back to my everyday routine. Its been two years since he got out and life is almost normal. I still have my rough days, but im happy and not looking over my shoulder every five minutes anymore.
You are a strong woman and mother to have gotten as far as you have, and you will get through this next step too. Stay strong and good luck.
Thanks dear! :) Happy Mother’s Day!
boyzmom, I understand. But I cannot seem to get past the fact that I believe that even if she would have had the injunction in effect that she would have continued to have contact with this scumbag.
Mom’s judgement played a huge role in this hideous act. Clearly, this is another example of the wrong people having children.
I feel so honored to be amongst those who have all the answers to other people’s problems. I don’t believe we should be condeming this mother PERIOD. She will live the rest of her life with regret. She is a young woman who felt that when she had one chance to get away she would try and take it to save herself and her baby. Let’s not forget that when she got home he had already broken in. He caught her unaware. Now if the outcome hadn’t been what it was and her child had lived would you still be so hard on her? You keep saying you understand, but do you really? If you finally found the courage to counteract your abuse in a different way then good for you. But don’t attempt to sentence her to hell with the monster that killed her child for her decision. I remember one of you mentioning that you stayed in the home and continued to be beat because your children were inside. You think that decision is so much more noble than hers? YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN COULD HAVE DIED!!!!!!!!!! Would that have made you a bad parent, or were you doing what you thought was right? Hind sight is 20/20 but let’s not be so caught up in the I’m so right and you’re so wrong syndrome that we forget a mother is hurting and in mourning and no amount of criticism will bring her baby back. Let’s show some compassion, have a heart. Someone said that she had been in the foster care system. What she tried to do for her child may have been tremendous compared to what was or was not done to protect her. McTear deserves hell with gasoline draws on; she deserves a reprieve. Jasmine my prayers will go out for you daily. May you dig deep within yourself to find the courage and strength to heal. Love yourself enough to believe a person when they show you who they are. Believe in yourself enough to walk away. God Bless You.
That’s a very compassionate, thoughtful comment Youdidwhat. I stayed out of the debate because I’m not a mother and I can’t speak for how one should act, but I must confess that I really feel sorry for Jasmine Bedwell. I believe she was in a no-win situation – If she stayed and fought she would have died along with the child, but by running for help she gave both the baby and herself a chance. In any event, like you said, she was caught unawares and did the best she could in an impossible situation. That’s my humble opinion, anyways.
You have obviously missed the point. No one has said that the mom is guilty of murder. No one has even implied that she be lined up with the boyfriend and charged with any crime. But what you are forgetting is that that Jasmine’s poor choices caused her son to be anywhere near this murdering thug. By the time she sought to straighten out the mess, it was too late.
We ALL have to take responsibility for our poor choices, especially when they result in a horrible outcome. But more than that, her actions were avoidable. I cannot believe that she has not watched this pattern play out around her, her whole life. And yet, she continued on the path anyway. Part of the reason is because she is so damned young, and part of it is that she didn’t have adequate support. But regardless, it was her action that allowed her baby to be killed.
And, frankly, I can’t understand how anyone can absolve her of ANY responsibility simply because she is hurting now. Hell, I am hurting for the loss of this baby – any reasonable person would be. But her pain does not absolve her of the bad choices she made.
Thank You Max The Cat. I just looked up an article on TBO.com and a spokesperson for the foster care agency that was helping her stated that he didn’t think she had been informed of the new court date. He said the caseworkers that were to go to court with her hadn’t been informed either. I have four children and my heart aches for this mother in a way that I can’t even describe. I have had to divide my heart between my four babies, but when I had my oldest she had my whole heart. You just don’t ever factor in having to say goodbye when you finally learn how to love unconditionally.
That’s interesting Youdidwhat. I went to TBO.com, and I found this:
“But documents released Monday by the Department of Children & Families show deputies were told by her caseworker three weeks earlier that Bedwell had no intention of following through on getting the restraining order.”
That seems like an important fact. She had NO INTENTION OF FOLLOWING THROUGH.
Did you deliberately misrepresent the story for some reason? Don’t you know that some people are very thorough, and check sources? It only takes a second.
So why are you trying to sway people’s opinions by presenting misleading information? I am really curious. Are you just a person who can’t stand that people have differing opinions than you, or are you related to Jasmine, and think that you can do a little freelance PR for her?
Your credibility is shot, in my opinion. Have a nice day.
In the TBO.com article that a certain dishonest poster referenced, I found this timeline. Please note that Jasmine clearly indicated that she would not pursue an injunction against McTear, and that she later told a neighbor that “nothing could keep her away from him.” Yes, that’s right – the law could not prevent HER from being with HIM, not that the law could not protect her from him. Later in the article it states that Jasmine had been offered a place in a safe facility called “The Spring”. which Jasmine refused.
•On April 7, a two-week injunction was issued against McTear.
•On April 8, according to the Department of Corrections, Bedwell told McTear’s probation officer that McTear had moved out and that the probation officer should expect new criminal charges to be filed against McTear because he had hit her three different times.
That same day, according to the report released Monday, Bedwell told a child protective investigator about two recent run-ins with McTear. In one, he beat her up, Bedwell said, because she was wearing a dress and a thong. She said her child was present for one of the two incidents.
•On April 9, Hillsborough Kids case manager Jennifer Liner told the child protective investigator who spoke with Bedwell the previous day that McTear beat up Bedwell twice and “the first time he beat her up she lied about it. She stated that she refused to get an injunction at first.” Liner told the investigator that Bedwell said she wasn’t going to follow through with keeping an injunction. Liner also learned that Bedwell had told a neighbor that no one could keep Bedwell from being with McTear.
Liner, who worked directly with Bedwell, declined to comment Monday when contacted by a reporter.
•On April 15, a different child protective investigator told Bedwell about an April 20 court date regarding the injunction and that Bedwell needed to attend. Bedwell was cooperative and agreed to follow a safety plan. Bedwell said she hadn’t been in contact with McTear and said he hadn’t tried contacting her.
Bedwell attended the April 20 court date, but the case was continued until May 4.
•Sheriff’s investigators said in their report that the case would be closed because “there are no concerns regarding child safety at time of closing as mother followed through with an injunction and signed a safety plan.”
On May 1, child protective services issued the letter to Bedwell informing her that the abuse case had been closed. Bedwell failed to appear in court on May 4. Jeff Rainey, chief executive officer of Hillsborough Kids Inc., said Bedwell may not have known about the new court date. He said his agency also would have come to court if it had known about the date.
The restraining order was dropped. Emanuel was killed the next day.
Rainey said it’s important to note that McTear had not been served a subpoena to appear for the injunction hearing so even if Bedwell had shown up, she probably would not have been able to receive a permanent injunction against McTear that day.
Oh, and one more thing – During the hearing on April 20, the case was CONTINUED till May 4. That means that when she left the courthouse on April 20, Bedwell and anyone who was with her knew the date.
CPS doesn’t indicate if they were there on April 20 or not, so they may have not known the new date, but BEDWELL knew.
In DV court, they make the two parties leave separately. They usually make sure to give you little appointment cards, and or send you to a different floor to obtain other paperwork. Generally unless you have a lawyer with you (whom they just notify expecting that person to make sure you know the schedule, or to keep it for you), they are very stringent about this.
My paperwork from DV court is well over 12 inches tall at this point, and having sat through many many cases, I can say that this is nearly 100 percent what happens. Either way, if you don’t know the date, call and confirm. I’ve done that as well. It’s called “CYA”. It sounds like the victim’s mom is just a little girl herself, mentally speaking and was unprepared to take care of herself, much less her son Emanuel. DV shelters are NOT fun, but had she gone, she’d have had help and her son would not be dead. She bears some responsibility, and as I’ve said before, I can and will point the finger.
Exactly, Alanna. The terminology used “continued until XXX date” means that the new date has already been set. She knew it. McTear is the only one who may not have known the date, but Bedwell needed to show up whether or not she thought he had been notified.
It’s a bit concerning that her caseworkers are willing to go out on a limb and suggest that she might not have been aware. Maybe it is because she is a nice kid, and was trying to clean up her act, but still – it is misleading. It smacks of them covering their OWN asses – something that we see pretty frequently in CPS. eh?
Could you guys give me the URL of this TBO article – I think I’d like to do an update on McTear’s story focusing on this new information.
I guess I should have followed my initial gut reaction and trusted in women’s intuition. You guys were right about Jasmine Bedwell all along.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/may/12/na-mom-didnt-pursue-legal-shield/
I didn’t put it in because of the moderation, lol. Her ya go hun. And you can cancel this post if you want.
It’s quite funny that because our opinions differ I have to be dishonest. Well here’s the information. If you go onto TBO.com, I actually logged into it by looking up funeral services for Emanuel Murray. It gives you the option to click on Mother Grief Stricken. When you click on that there’s a video entitled Grieving Loss of Baby that was posted May 8, 2009. There would be no reason for me to try and deceive anyone, I am just entitled to my own opinion the same as you. Mr. Jeff Rainey, a spokesperson for the agency that was helping the mother, states that she wasn’t there because she didn’t know about the court date. He also states that the social workers who were to go to court with her didn’t know about the court date either. I didn’t see your time line, does that make you dishonest? Usually those that are so quick to judge have goo-goobs of mess in their own lives. Again I say I count it an honor to be among someone as perfect and flawless as you Mazzi. It is refreshing to know that one person in this world, other than Jesus can walk among us without sin and guile.
All Hail, Mazzi! =)
Seriously though, common sense is not common. It is no excuse to not be interested enough in your appointments to not know when they are, be it a Doctor’s appointment, for which you can be penalized financially for wasting their time, or by not knowing when you TRO hearing is… in which this case, you are penalized with your son’s life….
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/may/12/na-mom-didnt-pursue-legal-shield/
On April 9, Hillsborough Kids case manager Jennifer Liner told the child protective investigator who spoke with Bedwell the previous day that McTear beat up Bedwell twice and “the first time he beat her up she lied about it. She stated that she refused to get an injunction at first.” Liner told the investigator that Bedwell said she wasn’t going to follow through with keeping an injunction. Liner also learned that Bedwell had told a neighbor that no one could keep Bedwell from being with McTear.
Liner, who worked directly with Bedwell, declined to comment Monday when contacted by a reporter.
•On April 15, a different child protective investigator told Bedwell about an April 20 court date regarding the injunction and that Bedwell needed to attend. Bedwell was cooperative and agreed to follow a safety plan. Bedwell said she hadn’t been in contact with McTear and said he hadn’t tried contacting her.
Bedwell attended the April 20 court date, but the case was continued until May 4.
Not interested in the flawlessness of all of this, but McTear could have been off the street if she’d filed a criminal complaint that had resulted in the revocation of McTear’s parole.
She’ll live with that the rest of her life, could’a, should’a, would’a, but never bothered to. I honestly hope that is her personal hell, the drive that makes her do better for the rest of her days, and serves to insure that this happens a lot less often. I think people deserve to carry the guilt of their actions. McTear is responsible for killing her child. She is responsible for covering up crimes McTear committed against her and her child that she should have pressed further. You don’t get second chances in life when death is the result of the first chance you received.
A man who beats a woman or a child is the same as a rabid dog–there’s nothing that can fix them available to modern medicine. There is absolutely nothing that should prevent the mother of a beaten child or a woman(or in this case girl) who is beaten, from pressing charges save her own funeral.
Am I better than she is?
Yes I am.
Can she learn how to be better than she is?
Yes she can.
Can you get any higher up a high horse?
No you can’t.
Youdidwhat – Go fuck yourself you sarcastic, snide, ignorant wench.
If I was as perfect and flawless as that Jesus guy I sure wouldn’t have said that, now would I? lol. You are getting annoying. You have no credibility. If you are really looking for the TRUTH on the matter, you would have read and reported on today’s article, not one from 4 days ago, that just happened to have info that supported your bullshit position.
Any regular poster here can tell you that I am fair, and that I look at all sides of an issue. And I call it like I see it. As I did in my opening sentence in this post.
Alanna I feel you, but these are things that are common knowledge to us. There are some people that don’t have a PCP and never see a doctor unless they’re going to the emergency room. Everyone has not had common sense poured into them. Some folks learn from scratch. As hard as it is to grasp that it’s true. I worked for a local foster care agency and some of the things I would see was mind blowing. But when you looked at the history it made it so clear. You have raised a valid point though about the hearings. Is it possible that the date was changed and they weren’t made aware? How could none of them know?
I sincerely doubt it. I’ve never seen that happening and again, I am very sadly a true veteran of the DV courts. Court scheduling for those matters is really tight. =( Which is to say, they usually pick a day a certain number of days hence depending on the reason for the continuance and/or new court date. So as to the question of “how could none of them know?” Well… they either didn’t care enough to pay attention, in which case they shouldn’t be serving in their current job capacity (to include the bio mom), or they are covering their asses…. in which case… they probably shouldn’t be serving in their particular job capacities.
Some young parents out there are presented after 9 months of hard work with their infant children and make their best efforts to protect and provide for those babies, to give them everything they didn’t have as children. Those people are forced to grow up to a great extent and put a portion of their youth behind them. And then there are those who have failed to realize that their adult/parental duty is to protect and provide, and continue to believe that they should still be treated like children, selfishly having their mishaps swept under the rug and bandaged with a kiss. Sadly, one of the things I have learned is that after 18, very few of our adult boo-boos get taken care of with such care and forgiveness, and many have long lasting repercussions. I think that the mother in this case has learned that the hard way. I hope that this is the last time she has to learn such a lesson. =(
Mazzi you make me laugh so hard. Why do you have your panties in such a bunch? Are you a naturally judgemental, or did it take hard work and dedication to mold you into the one sided peon you’ve become.
Also you talk about me pulling up an article from four days ago versus today that must mean you had formed your judgemental opinion before the article came out. You’ve been talking on this subject since at least the 6th or 7th.
By the way – Jasmine has a nice long violent criminal history herself, going back to when she was 11 years old.
“She ran away from home at least 21 times, Tampa police records show. She has been arrested 10 times, including a battery charge at age 11, according to records.
As a fifth-grader, she fought with her mother, who told a boyfriend to call police. Lillie Bedwell said her daughter had shoved and punched her in the ribs over chores, a Tampa police report said.
Social workers intervened in Jasmine Bedwell’s life when she was about 14. She was defiant at first, Rainey said. Hillsborough Kids put her in counseling.”
The story goes on to say that she has been trying to clean up her act for the past few months. Sure was too little and too late for her baby, wasn’t it?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article999018.ece
Newsman “How could you throw a child out of your car window?”
Richard “It’s a dirty game”
What the shit does that mean?
I hope he ends up in the same jail as the baby’s father and gets his ass kicked until he wishes he was in hell.
There are no words for this dickless bastard. He deserves a gasoline bath and a smoke.
tHIS !@##$% is truly a monster, there are no words or punishment great enough for what he has done. I, too, hope he ends up shAring a cell w/ the baby’s father getting man raped & beaten repeatedly. Death penalty would be doing him a favor. Screw that
This is one vicious little animal that needs a good dragging. At 70 mph. Until the skin is gone, then patch him up, and do it again. Repeat until dead.
Another low life cunt who deserves to be tortured. I just returned from Florida…too bad I did not get my hands on this cowardly fuckface, but I am sure one big, bad fucker in prison will make this low life his bitch.
put him on the back of a flatbed truck, attempt to push him about 8-10 times – push and pull him back and then splat!!!! do to him what he did to that baby
This guy is your typical wretched n*****r that has nothing better to do than know up innocent women. If it was 1950, this n*****r would be hanging in my backyard with his dick in his mouth…
yeah, yeah, and in 2009 he would be lying in your bed with his dick in YOUR mouth.
-editor
Hey, you racist dicknugget, we don’t tolerate that shit here. Go hide beneath your piss-stained bedsheets and take it somewhere else.
FAIL!
Don’t you realize that it is YOU who looks like a fool when you denigrate others for their skin color? It marks you as an ignorant person who is so small and worthless that he has to make himself feel more important than he is? If your only claim to “superiority” over other humans is that you rolled the dice and came out white, then you are truly pathetic.
If you want to REALLY be superior to others, then get off your ass and make something of your life, moron.
real classy, now where’s your white hood?
stuff like this sickenss me, that poor kid had nothing to do with anothony’s argument with that girl and the fact that he had to pay the price for is even more sickening. i cnt believe that she let him around her child, after she knows he has a track record of being in abusive relationships. it doesnt take a freaking rocket scientist to figure it out, if this no life having good for nothing worthless piece of an excuse of a man puts his hands on you and he knows the only thing that really matters to you is your child than of course hes gonna come after your child next. and its even more sickening that the authorites let this man walk around freely when he has been locked up b/c of crap like this. his behind shouldve stayed in jail where he belong. and for him to even decide in his unstable mind that he’s gonna throw a innocent baby out of a moving car window makes my stomach turn i had no idea that people could be so cruel and mean and the only thing he has to say is “it’s a dirty game” are you serious?! thats it? yea… he’s really big and bad, so bad he had to prove it by throwing a baby out a window .. .. a baby that couldnt fight back. i pray god deals with this dude. and until the day comes were he burns in hell. i hope he pays for this every day he’s in jail. he shouldnt get the death penity or eletric chair he deserves to be tourtured everyday of his useless life the way that baby was. R.I.P BABY BOY.
my heart really goes out to the mother of that baby, god only knows how she’s feeling. i cnt imagine how it feels to loose your child that way.
He deserves to be strung upside down and let us beat them like he is a Pinata… drawing and quartering is too good for him… string him up till he is half dead, dislocate and break all his joints, cut his dick off and shove it in his mouth, he will need something to bite on when his guts are cut open and we pull out his intestines and fry it up in a pan and make him eat it, the shitty part too, then chop all his arms and legs off and make him watch while we throw his limbs into the fire…finally throw the rest of this piece of shit into a slow fire… suffer motherfucker before you die and go to hell…
unfortunatly i had the opportunity to be a part of this boys life from the age of 12 to 16. i can tell you now that what you are shown as a child sticks with you or at least it did in this case because his mother father and grandmother are no better. violence is what they know and believe in. i mean damn, who does this to a baby? Hell, who does this to any human being? I so regret the time I spent in thier lives and can only hope that the two children he has never grows up around his family…maybe then they will have a chance at a different kind of life.