Tiffany Toribio
I have written a few articles for this site and those of you who have read my pieces know that I often use humor and sarcasm to develop a story line or to make a point. Some people have criticized my writing style, critiqued my writing ability (or lack thereof in their humble opinion) agreed with my views or opposed them. I have been flippant, vulgar and downright nasty at times writing a piece or responding to someone else’s opinion. I will not be utilizing any of those traits for this article. I do not need to resort to vulgarity or to use sarcasm to entail the horror that was perpetuated against a child – the facts of the case speak for themselves.
Ernest Hemmingway once said, “All things truly wicked start from an innocence.” This is true of Tiffany Toribio, 23 of Albuquerque, New Mexico. She was once an innocent child, full of wonder, hopes and her own dreams. Only she and her immediate family know exactly what type of childhood she had. We could speculate as to type of child that Tiffany was or what she endured as a child or teen, but in the end it would not change her actions or the outcome. All we can know for certain is that somewhere along the line, Tiffany more than lost her way; she lost her humanity and her soul.
Tiffany was just 20-years old when Tyruss “Ty” Toribio was born. According to her sister, Emily Apodaca, “Tyruss came into this world born to a lost and confused girl, but he changed her. She loved him more than life itself.” Apodaca claimed that the entire family, including Tiffany, loved and doted 
on little Ty. That statement appears to be the antithesis of what actually occurred, though not in any apparent malicious way.
According to police investigators, the tragedy began on May 7, 2009 when Tiffany and Ty were kicked out of Tiffany’s mother’s home after an altercation. Tiffany had moved in with her mother after her live-in boyfriend, alleged to be abusive, was taken to jail. After leaving her mother’s, Tiffany and Ty moved in with a friend of Tiffany’s but five days later, they were asked to leave there as well.
The reason the two men gave for asking a single mother and her 3-year old child to leave was her friends did not approve of the way that Tiffany was caring for Ty. A better way of stating that would be that they did not approve of Tiffany neglecting to care for Ty. The friends stated that Tiffany 
would not care for Ty, she neither ensured that he ate or was clean. So, Tiffany was asked to leave. Instead of picking up the phone and calling someone, anyone, that could possibly help Tiffany, they kicked her and her 3-year old son out.
Apodaca said that Tiffany had become disconnected, estranged from her family and moved from one dysfunctional relationship to another for several years, always bringing Ty along for the ride. She did acknowledge at a press conference, that she had had limited contact with Tiffany since August of 2008 after Tiffany became involved in yet another dysfunctional relationship. She stated that she had attempted to reach out to Tiffany once or twice to see if Ty was being cared for but never followed through because she could not find a telephone number or permanent address for Tiffany. Other people who knew Tiffany said that she had never shown an appropriate relationship with Ty. They believed that she never fully bonded with boy, showing none of the emotions and reactions of a normal mother.
Tiffany left her friend’s apartment on the evening of May 12, 2009 leaving Ty behind but returned for him a few hours later. According to her confession to police, Tiffany took Ty to Alvarado Park in Albuquerque. She encouraged him to lie down on the sand and go to sleep. According to her statement, after she was assured that Ty was sleeping, she placed her hand over his nose and mouth, suffocating him.
For the average child, unconsciously can occur from lack of oxygen within 1-3 minutes with brain cell death occurring in 3-4 minutes. Actual brain death from oxygen deprivation will occur in 4-6 minutes.
Police Chief Ray Schultz said that Tiffany stated in her confession that she had second thoughts over killing her son and began CPR to revive him. When Ty began breathing again and started to regain consciousness, Tiffany changed her mind and suffocated him a second time. This time, there were no second thoughts by Tiffany and no reprieve for Ty. She suffocated him until he was dead.
She then dug a shallow grave in the sand beneath the climbing bars and buried Ty, discarding him as if he were a broken toy – an object that she was finished with, to rot in the sand. Tiffany left him there, alone, so she could return to her friends’ apartment and gather her things. She refused to tell them where Ty was and they did not question or call into suspicion her behavior. Afterwards Toribio began to wander the streets of Albuquerque.
On May 15, 2009 a mother saw a small shoe sticking out of the sand at Alvarado Park. Thinking that a child had lost the shoe, she bent to pick it up only to discover that the shoe was not alone, it was attached to a small foot. Police and the community dubbed the child “Baby Angel” as investigators initiated a nationwide search to identify the tiny boy.
On May 19, 2009 a computer composite sketch was released to the media giving an impression of what the child might look like. Police investigators had to do that because the hot sun and sand had so disfigured the child, that he was unrecognizable when his body was found. On May 20, a woman called police to say that she recognized the child from having seen him with his mother in and around Alvarado Park.
Police were able to locate Tiffany’s friends who gave them her name. Emily Apodaca also saw the news reports regarding the deceased little boy in Alvarado Park. She said that she had a bad feeling that the child might be Ty, but dismissed the feeling. It wasn’t until she saw the composite sketch that Apodaca called police and gave them a picture of Ty. Police released Tiffany’s name and picture to the press and within hours she was arrested.
At a press conference, Police Chief Ray Schultz, his voice heavy with emotion, described Tiffany’s confession and how she had killed Ty. He stated that when investigators asked Tiffany why she had killed her son, he said that she replied, “she did not want her son to grow up as she did, with nobody caring for him.”
Tiffany was arrested and charged with first-degree murder and abuse of a child resulting in death and is being held on $250,000 bond. Police Chief Ray Schultz said that Tiffany had already attempted suicide once and was currently on suicide watch. Bernalillo County District Attorney Kari Brandenburg said that Tiffany could not be eligible for the death penalty as the state had changed the laws regarding capitol punishment severely limiting its use and that it did not apply to Tiffany or her case. Instead, Brandenburg said they would be seeking a sentence of life without parole. She also stated that they were investigating whether or not other individuals could be charged with failure to report child abuse.
Is this yet another example of a young woman losing her way and believing that she was saving her child from a lifetime of pain and neglect? Or was this a simple act of evil? A selfish young woman who had come to view her son as a stone tied around her neck preventing her from having fun and enjoying her youth? Or a woman that believed there was no hope for her son?
When I first read the reports of this, I was outraged. Actually more than outraged, just ask Max. I was venomous. All throughout the day, as I have read reports and watched the press conferences, I was finally able to put my initial anger aside and evaluate the facts of the case. I tried to see both sides and in the end, I finally decided that the bitch was a perfect example of pure, malignant evil and that she had succumbed to the depths of total depravity and human selfishness. She committed a crime that is so heinous, so abominable, that we as thinking human beings have difficulty comprehending her actions. It is bad enough for a mother to suffocate her child, but to revive that child only to suffocate them again? That is pure unadulterated evil.
Take a look at her mug shot. Not a hair out of place, wearing lip-gloss with perfectly coiffed eyebrows. She does not exhibit the vacant, vacuous look of an extremely disturbed or emotional individual.
I believe that her family believes that they all adored and doted on little Ty. But the truth of the matter is that they didn’t. That is a cold reality, but a true one. The facts of this case are still evolving and no one but the family knows for certain what occurred. The one thing we do know is that Ty did not fall through the cracks of the system. He was ignored. The family and friends of Tiffany saw that she was spiraling out of control and failing to care for her child, yet did not reach out to anyone.
This could be due to their fear or hatred of authority or just that their own lives took precedence over that of a toddler. “Every child born into the world is a new thought of God, an ever fresh and radiant possibility (Kate Douglas Wiggin).” Ty’s possibility ended alone, terrified and discarded in the dirty sand of a public play lot at the hands of his mother. We will never know what this little boy could have accomplished and she can never again be called, mother.
Does Tiffany Toribio Deserve The Fires Of Hell?
- She sure does. (88%, 603 Votes)
- No she doesn't. (12%, 80 Votes)
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I live a few miles away from Albuquerque and was outraged when I heard about this. What a sick bitch. I hope she gets her ass beat in prison. What “mother” could revive their child only to kill them a SECOND time?! Too bad we don’t have the death penalty here in New Mexico.
That bitch was just tired of getting kicked out of every place she went to.. She couldn’t be bothered by that little boy anymore.. I’m sure in her mind if she didn’t have him around she have gotten kicked out..
The family and friends are as much to blame on this boys death.. They should of stepped up and said something.. It’s a shame that not one person around Ty truely cared about him..
Blondie, great write up as always.. For those who critiqued your writing ability, bend over and tell them to kiss it. If they are not contributing to this site, they have no right what so ever to say anything about the ones that are.. You don’t like it, don’t come here.. This site would probably be closed if it weren’t for the ones who stepped up and started doing write-ups.. Don’t hate, appreciate.
Words fail me quite honestly… As a mum of four kids this just sickens and horrifies me, in fact no, as a HUMAN BEING this sickens and horrifies me! We’ve all had our difficulties, i’m sure every person that posts on here has faced hard times more than once but to snuff out the existence of another person, esp one you brought into the world yourself is beyond evil… This is depravity on a new level…
This entire crime is awful and I am going to have to side with Blondie that the whole family is fucked.
The reason that I say that is because they didn’t even lay him to rest themselves; the Indian Tribe (Pueblos I think) took care of that.
It seems to me that if The Tribe was willing to do that they would very likely have provided services for Precious Ty and his mother. Housing, food, medical and more. I know the Indian Nations in my area do these things for tribal members if they go do the paper work. I also know that they will even adopt children to other families in the tribe thru The Indian CHild Welfare Act. And when all else failed there was always the white man’s welfare office.
This piece of human filth seems to have a lot in common with Casey Anthony. I think they both killed their beautiful child to spite others and to be “free of the burden” of raising them.
Tiffany will surely roast in the sulfurous pit right along side Casey.
Hasta la vista, Bitches!
I completely agree with you. There are just some people in this world that have no right to children. It kills me that there are people out there that would have gladly taken this beautiful little boy in.
Tiffany and Casey and every other woman or man out there that just “can’t deal” with their children deserve to burn in hell
I lived in Albuquerque for almost a year, and as far as I can tell the tribes in that region have pretty terrible services for their tribal members. Unless you wanna work in a casino, they really can’t help you. They had to disband the Native hospital, that’s how bad it is.
Thats not true at all. There are tribes out there that will help you out as far as casino, not all tribes have casinos. Zia Pueblo was willing to help Tiffany but she hasn’t been seen in the Pueblo in years. So for that they were unaware of the child abuse that she was doing to Tyrus. Don’t judge anybody until you all know the facts! People nowadays judge and want to blame everybody but yet if you look at yourselfs, you all are no better. But i do believe that Tiffany is going to hell!!!!!!!!!
Justice is true about the pueblo’s not helping their members because i am from the pueblo where tiffany is from. People need to know the FACTS and not just write BS. Whoever wrote this article about his family not caring for tyrus…oh my goodness…that is so NOT true, we DID care for him but there was NO way to contact her. So i say get the FACTS and not the stuff you think are facts
There are no words that can convey how outraged
I am about this crime. I don’t think I will ever be able to comphrend why someone called a mother would kill their child. And the friends and families that witnessed this “downward spiral” are just as guilty as the sad excuse of a mother is. They had a chance to stop her and chose to be silent. Silence is a virtue but not at the expense of a child dying. The world just got a little darker with this crime against such an innocent. What kind of world are we living in that no one would stand up for this little boy. I’m appauled.
And to whoever voted no…You’re just as big of a piece of shit as the so-called mother that discarded her child and the friends and family that sat by and let her.
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
This is sad. I agree that her picture there is… unperturbed, not bothered at all by what is going on with her, and she does not have the vacant or spacey look a lot of the true nutjobs tend to have… I think she was tired of having a baby. It sounds like she was tired of taking care of him. Why these bitches don’t think of adoption I really don’t know, but maybe they feel as if other people don’t deserve their children or won’t take care of them right? I know that sounds crazy, but I really can’t think of any other reason for all the baby murders…
I’m not even a very motherly person, but these stories make me wish I could have taken these children in and given them giant hugs to ease their suffering… =(
WTF is wrong with these people?
Again, this is why some people should be sterilised or just give the kid up for adoption to people who WILL and CAN take care of him/her.
This is rediculous.
SAVE A CHILD AND ADOPT!
SAVE A CHILD AND SWALLOW THE LOAD! lol
Does she have a crazed look on her face? Depends on which half of her face we’re talking about. Her left side (our perspective right) seems calm. Her right side (our perspective left) is whacko. Just cover either half and see the difference. Is her right eye made of glass — a prosthetic eye?
I wondered about that eye as well.
Agreed. I knows CRAZY EYES whens I sees ‘em, and those right there are a pair of the CRAZIEST.
OMG i didn’t have any idea of the burial situation or the help that would of been made available to this waste of skin… I don’t profess to be an expert on mental health either but i agree with the posts regarding this, she looks well enough and given the gravity of the situation surely any genuinely disturbed person would by-pass they eyebrow tweezers and hair straighteners! She probably just got bored of being a mother… Tho according to the original post she never really was much of a mother to the poor little soul anyway. Why is adoption not an option to these people? If you can’t manage a pet for whatever reason you get it re homed, wtf would anyone kill a child because he or she was an inconvenience? So many childless people would love a little boy like ty, yet he ends up murdered by the very person that gave him life… I agree that the family should shoulder some blame too tho, what vicious bastard kicks out a child on the grounds that his mother neglects him and they don’t approve? Its a disgrace.
You should look her up on myspace if she was so homless how did she log in all the time, 5 days after killing him, her status was happy, WTF?
Happy to be “free” of him probably, the sick bitch…
i thought about that little boy today as i was watching my kids play at the park. and i thought to myself, “this is such a happy place, where kids are free to be themselves,” and i was amazed at how happy and carefree my kids and the others there were playing in the sun. i can’t bear to think about how alone ty was, killed and abandoned in a place he should have come to to enjoy the wonders of childhood. tiffany toribio should endure hell on earth and then burn twice, once for each time she killed her son.
Very poignant, eternal. Thou hast made me cry.
A totally sick individual……should be buried alive herself in the sand.
The most horrifying aspect of this story to me is that she REVIVED him by doing CPR, then suffocated him again (as a CPR instructor, I want to bitch slap her over and over and over again!) I can’t imagine the horrow of that child being suffocated by his mother, losing consciousness, waking up again, and then being suffocated AGAIN by his mother! I agree, she should be buried alive in the sand.
I agree with that the family is to blame for this tragedy as well. Why is that families cover their bad seeds no matter what seems to be going on? I have in laws that prefer their grandchildren not to be taken care of instead of standing up and saying that this is not right. Family members that turn a blind eye should be charged with neglect as well. Start charging them with something like neglect or even as accessories and I bet that more adults would be standing up for children.
I pulled this from the Albuquerque Journal this morning:
Service for Tyrus Toribio will be at 2 p.m. at Calvary Chapel on Osuna NE; large crowds expected.
Thousands of people are expected to attend a public memorial service at 2 p.m. today at Calvary Chapel on Osuna NE for 3-year-old Tyrus Toribio whose body was found buried in a shallow grave at Alvarado Park earlier this month, KOAT-TV reported.
Albuquerque police officers will be on hand to provide traffic control for the service, which is expected to be brief, Action 7 News said.
The boy’s aunt, Emily Apodaca, will deliver the eulogy, and there will be a DVD tribute to the little boy, who was known only as “Baby Angel” until police confirmed his identity last week as they arrested his 23-year-old mother, Tiffany Toribio on an open count of murder and other counts in the boy’s death.
A private burial will take place at Zia Pueblo directly following the public service, KOAT-TV said.
Tiffany Toribio is expected to be in court in connection with an unrelated charge around the same time as the memorial service, Action 7 News said.
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It is amazing how people will come together for a memorial for this poor soul when his family could have pulled together while he was still alive. Heartbreaking story. So many people want children and can’t have them and so many people have children that don’t want them and should not have them. I believe the aunt giving the eulogy today is the same aunt that put Ty’s living situation out of her head. Maybe it is just easier to deliver a eulogy than actually help a living child in obvious need?
Oh you can bet that all those people that watched this little boy being neglected will be there balling their eyes out, when they were the ones that could have prevented this from happening in the first place. They are responsible for his death, just as she is.
I am sickened!!
God, why didn’t she just take the easy way out? Go by your family’s (or even a stranger’s) house at night, open up the door or the gate, shove the kid inside and run away? The kid lives and you escape. Win-win.
Now the kid’s dead and you’re headed for life in prison.
No one’s going to mistake YOU for a rocket scientist.
Sounds lik ethe who;e family is a bunch of selfish bastards and she is just the worst of the bunch. It’s too bad that none of the men had enough balls to turn her in, but then again many state CPS’s would side with Charles Manson if he were a woman!
This woman needs to die and her family needs to be spayed and neutered.
I heard about this story this weekend when I was out of town and I am not suprised to see it here. I cannot imagine someone who could suffocate their child, revive their child, then kill their child-again. And I dont buy her stupid excuse that she wanted to save the child the suffering of growing up in an uncaring world. If she truley believed that, she would have never had children to begin with.
This piss poor excuse for a mother deserves to be buried alive. There are plenty of options for people who no longer wish to be mothers. Actually, I dont think less of someone who can be honest and leave the child with someone else, especially when the alternative is murder. But she was too selfish for that, make no mistake about it.
And Blondie, I love your writing style. You have a kick ass sense of humor, speak your mind, and arent afraid to state the truth. You are a great storyteller. Dont change a thing, ever!
And to all the haters out there: Back off. Unless you can submit something better, shut your traps because until you put your writing out there like we do, you have no business running your mouth. Let’s see you do better, bitches. What was that? I didnt think so.
Again, great write up Blondie.
I disagree with you, Poptart (OMG!! Mark the calendar!!)
I don’t care how well someone writes, it does not give them license to criticize another. Not here. This is a social site, dedicated to a specific thing, and it is NOT about literary ability. So long as the story is understandable and fairly well written, if someone doesn’t like it, they can STFU. Even if they are capable of writing with perfection.
(Note: this does not extend to ignorant posters with their ghetto-text-eubonic shit. They are free game!)
This woman is clearly disturbed, possibly even insane. I don’t think she deserves Hell.
Disturbed???? Insane??????
How about selfish, lazy, evil?
Maybe this bitch should be your neighbor or are you another fucking NIMBY (Not in My Backyard)
I’d be happy to have this bitch on my street – at the Old Towne Burial Grounds.
WTF is wrong with you???!!!!
She may have a screw loose Michelle, but she is not insane. Not medically or legally where it counts. The sheer act of reviving her child only to smother him again, shows consciousness of thought. She knew that what she was doing was wrong, understood the consequences and still followed through with her actions resulting in the death of an innocent child. She took steps to hide the crime by burying the child in a shallow grave and then went on with her life as if nothing had occurred. The story is still unfolding and evolving as more evidence is gathered and it will be some time before all of the facts of the case are released. But as far as I am concerned, she tortured her son which resulted in his death. And for that, she MUST answer for her crime in the eyes of man and God.
This bitch makes me SICK!
As a mother of 5 I absolutely CANNOT fathom what this bitch has done!
My husband and I both were just speechless when we heard about this so-called “mother” and what she had done – I BLAME anyone and everyone who did NOTHING to help that poor precious little angel! Even if they are not brought up on charges, I hope his precious little face is ALL they see when they fall asleep at night – to me they deserve hell too!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! If you see that a child could be in danger or is not being cared for by the “parent”- NOTIFY SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY!! Please! How would you feel if that child ended up hurt or worse – dead??
Even if she was trying to save her son from a life of neglect, there are more ways than killing him to ensure that.
Like actually stepping up to the plate and being a mom! One that feeds and bathes, loves and nurtures her child. How can suffocating that precious litte man and burying him in a shallow grave be a better option than just loving him? Cause she sure as hell didnt love him. And neither did her family.
It sickens me that people are so ready to bury their heads in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong when they see abuse or neglect. All those bystanders who enabled her to neglect that child should be charged right beside her.
And i agree with whoever said she had a crazy looking eye. Thats weird looking.
I read this story before PYSIH, except that they said the child was 3 mos, which was devastating, but knowing now he had to endure 3 yrs with this POS is even more devestating. Have ya’ll ever watched The Crow, with Brandon Lee? There is a part in the movie where he tells a sad excuse for a mother that the word “mother” is “god” on the lips of all children. I tear up everytime I think about that. This little boy loved his mother regardless of how she treated him. Then as she killed him both times, the feeling of love still lived inside him.
..and where is the hell was Ty’s grandmother and grandfather through all of this? Its obvious they didnt care about their grandbaby. Sick fucks!!
in this case, an eye for an eye is very apropriate. choke this bitch out and then bury her in burning hot sand. then leave her ass to die…
wasteful bitch, it should have been you that died!
rip baby boy
I think that the family and friends deserve Hell also. Not for kicking her out, but for failure to report the obvious neglect toward her child. Not only that, but this woman is SICK SICK SICK.
hmm, at fist i agreed with you on the family deserving hell then i thought about it. my mother had problems when i was a kid. anytime a member of my family would confront her about her behavior she would stomp off, dragging me ad my siblings from pillar to post with her and when anyone would try to make her leave us with them where we’d be safe, she’d flip out, fight, scream about us being her kids and going where she went, etc. and honestly, there was nothing they could do. if there are no previous incidents against the child and no proof of neglect, what can the police do? my grandmother finally did get custody of us but it took YEARS of calls to family services and petitions and visits to the courts.
maybe the family and friends DO deserve hell. but knowing what my family went through before my grandmother and aunt could get me, my sister and brother into a permanent, safe situation, i’m gonna reserve my judgement of them. tiffany, not so much. i’ll say that bitch definitely deserves to die.
she definately deserves a gasoline bath before she checks in to HELL.
I both hate and love to see these stories. I hate them because the fact such things happen is atrocious and unbelieveable. I love them because it serves muti purposes. The obvious purpose is of course, knowing such events take place. Another is to let us see how a single person calling the police on teh mother might have very well saved the childs life and still another, to know as parents (you guys know who you are) we need to maybe hug our kids and not be afraid to speak up if they aren’t being raised as they might should be. It is said it takes a village to raise a child, and that’s still true today.
all i can say is let me have him “little angel” i dont know what and how that part of town works but life is the max of mexcio not death, im asking, send her ass to cali death row is were she should be. she want it easy any way, Why should she have room & board shower, food a chance with the systems their money their time and well-being of her where abouts (while in jail) why not her child. god dont like ulgy so ill leave it at that theres eough ulgy around us as is
Let the dumb bitch kill herself. Wtf. Two times? She went thru the action once, REVIVED the baby, then did it AGAIN? Again, I say, let her kill herself. As taxpayers, we’re better off.
she doesn’t really intend to kill herself, or else she would have done it sometime between the time she killed ty and the week she spent roaming free without a care in the world before she was caught.
that attempted suicide b.s. is just another sympathy ploy i am not beat enough to give in to.
I could not imagine what a mother could be thinking! She cannot plead insanity, she strangled her baby, revived him, and then thought twice and strangled him again! Thank you to Bill Richardson and our wonderful NM government for doing away with the death penalty, you are a bunch of morons! That’s okay, once the other female prisoners find out what she so coldly did to an innocent child, they will take care of her themselves I imagine. She could have taken him to CYFD or any police station… ANY foster family would have been happy to take him in and they would have found an adoptive family for that baby easily! He would have been taken care of and loved and she would have been free to party and screw up the rest of her life.
As for the family and friends, it would have just taken one call. It’s not that hard and trust me, it’s anonymous!
It’s very hard to believe that she was even capable of this. I knew her once when I was 16, I am now 22. I went to school with her in the albuquerque job corps, and I just cant believe this. I am in awe. I have 2 kids of my own and I could never imagine anyone doing that to their child. In school she was really nice and kind of reserved but always very nice. I don’t even know what to say.
I think she deserves the same treatment that she dished out to that sweet little boy. Let her be suffocated and just as she’s about to go, let her be revived again by performing CPR on her. Then just do what she did, say “Ah nevermind” and suffocate her again. That is the thing that really sickened me about this—that she actually revived the little boy by performing CPR on him and then put him through that hell for a second round. What a fucked up bitch!! I hope she gets thrown in GP and all those women inmates that have children beat her ass. She deserves so much worse. It’s also really fucked up that she buried him in the sand at a children’s park under a jungle gym. Can you imagine the horror if a child had found this little boy and not the mother/adult that did? That could have really screwed some child up to find another child dead and buried in the sand. What a selfish POS. Hell is too good for this sack of shit.
Here is an angel that was brought down from Heaven into the arms of… i don’t know what… A child looks up to his mother for love and protection. What was going on in her mind to think that taking his life would be better than him living his life? I don’t know. I do know when I look into his innocent eyes, I can only see one of the many children that have their lives taken away by the very people that are supposed to be caring for them. It breaks my heart and i wonder why on earth would a mother do that to their own child?
Look who’s in the news again:
TORIBIO INDICTED IN DEATH OF SON IN ALBUQUERQUE PARK
by Albuquerque Journal staff
Re. Tiffany Toribio.
You are truly a fool. Your story is a totally loaded and unbalanced story in which you start outright condemning her, you finish the article condemning her.
You smugly wrote “The family and friends of Tiffany saw that she was spiraling out of control and failing to care for her child, yet did not reach out to anyone.” You don’t know that and the county attorney saw that claim as contradicted by how well he was being taken care of.
Have you heard of relatives taking the kids of others. It appears to me that some people were roughing her up to make her give up her son, son that she was taken care off well. You are a fool!
You don’t have much experience and apparently no much education either. GO GET AN EDUCATION AND LEARN TO RESEARCH AND ANALYZE THE FACTS IF YOU SMUGLY WANT TO BE IN THE PERSUASION BUSINESS. You are not engaged in mere free speech but in libel (written form of defamation of character and inflaming passions) and if I were her lawyer I would seek a court order for you to retract some of your claims but would also sue you for libel.
You are not part of the solution but part of the problem.
A June 8 AP aricle by Heather Clark in the last three of eight paragraphs:
“In the days leading up to Ty’s death, Toribio had been kicked out of her mother’s home and a friend’s apartment over concerns she was neglecting her son, police said.
Bernalillo County Attorney Kari Brandenburg said investigators must look at the credibility of conflicting accounts from those who knew Toribio before any decision can be made regarding charges for failing to report neglect.
“The child reportedly was very healthy, very well-nourished and looked well taken care of, so there has to be something really clear for them to report,” Brandenburg said. “
The bitch murdered her son.
Is that defamation ?
I do know of child abusers who would immediately come out with some of the damning garbage that some of you are writing as if trying to make it appear that they are holier than thou and they don’t engage in child abuse. I read a lot of sanctimonious crap.
What she did was unequivocally horrible, but she was also a victim and was being a victim. She had been kicked out of at least two places after losing her job, and she desperately looking for a place to stay and remembering that she had a court matter pending went to turn herself in – apparently looking for shelter for her and her son, and the cops turned her away.
She must have been very desperate at that point saying: they don’t even accept me in jail! What am I offering to my son? What kind of life can I offer my son?
I get the impression that had been over the years the victim of machinations by many and was still being so.
She deserves a fair punishment and then HELP – LOTS OF HELP SO SHE MAY PUT HER LIFE TOGETHER AND HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT SHE HAS NOT HAD.
It takes a village to raise a child, and that village failed these two children: Tiffany and Ty. Is that village going to use her as a lamb of sacrifice to expiate the COMMUNITY’S GUILT?
really? she killed her son, and buried him in a park. correct me please if im wrong, but she had options, ill give a few examples….
1)not fucking someone unprotected
2)swallowing
3)offering a hand job
those are just a few things she could have done instead of killing an innocent child.
ppl failed her,huh? n’est pas…she failed her child by not being a responsible, productive parent.
Tiffany had lost her job, had been kicked out of her mother’s home, had been kicked out of a so-called friend’s home, and had been denied help by the police after sleeping in the park with her son.
TIFFANY TORIBIO DID SEEK HELP FROM THE POLICE, THE POLICE TURNED HER AWAY NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO FIND HER WARRANT OR REFUSING TO ARREST HER FOR SOME VERY SICK REASON! AND THEN LIED TO THE MEDIA ABOUT HAVING OFFERED HER HELP!
Let me be blunt, and with basis to do so: DID THE COP WHO REFUSED HER HELP DECIDE THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO AFTER WORK TO THE PARK OFFER HER HELP – FOR A PIECE? If you want to argue that this does not happen and that it is NOT suggested also by the situation, you are being dishonest or you are naïve!
However, the simplest explanation so far is that the cop lacked the training and the experience to have responded competently. HE (THEY) CERTAINLY LACKED THE COMPETENCE TO HAVE FOUND HER WARRANT, AND IF HE (THEY) HAD FOUND THAT WARRANT, TY WOULD BE ALIVE AND TIFFANY WOULD NOT BE IN JAIL.
HE (THEY) CERTAINLY LACKED THE COMPETENCE TO HAVE FOUND HER WARRANT, AND IF HE (THEY) HAD FOUND THAT WARRANT, TY WOULD BE ALIVE AND TIFFANY WOULD NOT BE IN JAIL.
If the officer had found Tiffany’s warrant, Tiffany would be in jail for the warrant.
If Tiffany had said: “I need to surrender my parental rights to Child Services so that Ty can be taken care of better than I was as a child.” And child protective services would have followed standard procedures and tried to contact other relatives of Ty. Ty would be in protective services and would probably be in the custody of his grandmother right now.
If you understood how to assemble logical proofs, you’d stop posting and move on.
It didn’t take any fucking VILLAGE to raise my child, and raise her well. And without any abuse. You are God damned right that I feel holier-than-thou when “thou” is a murdering bitch like her.
She is no victim. A victim is someone who has something happen to them that THEY have no control over. Like Ty, who had no control over the fact that his worthless mother killed him. SHE, on the other hand had many choices. Just because she chose the wrong one doesn’t make her a “victim”.
Things don’t happen in a vacuum. She did (or didn’t do) things that got her thrown out of other people’s homes. People who ALLOWED her into their personal space though they had no legal obligation to do so. Presumably these generous people were trying to help her to help herself, and she FAILED. They threw her out, and instead of saying “I will do whatever it takes to take care of my beautiful baby boy” she decided that HE was the problem.
Maybe people could have done more, but it sounds to me like Tiffany Toribio took advantage of those who tried to help her. At some point a wise person says “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ME.
So stop trying to make this selfish bitch out to be some kind of a victim. When she crossed the line to victimizer, she lost the right to be called a victim.
Actually, doesn’t the old adage go “It takes a village to raise an Idiot”? Speaking of, your village is calling. They want their idiot back.
What a load of bullshit. That stupid CUNT could have taken that little baby to CPS and droped him off there. Did it ever occure to you that maybe she was a first class bitchh of the highest order and that may be why she was kicked out of all the places she was shacked up at? If that CUNT didnt have a job there are thing like food stamps she could have gotten. What I am saying is: you little man are a fucking moron for backing this CUNT. She knew what she was doing I for one would love to hear that she killed herself in jail.
This was no ordinary crime. It was more than A CRIME OF PASSION. It was A DESPERATE CRIME OF COMPASSION by a very loving mother, and she needs to be exculpated and the village needs to accept its responsibility in this tragedy and set Tiffany free, and then help her to rebuild her life. THIS IS WHAT IS IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE.
The person who gave us the best criterion to judge her by in this A CRIME OF COMPASSION was Police Chief Ray Schultz. “What makes this story especially sad was when asked the reason why she took Ty’s life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him the same way that she had grown up with no one caring about her,” said Police Chief Ray Schultz, his eyes watery and his voice thick with emotion.”
“The child reportedly was very healthy, very well-nourished and looked well taken care of, so there has to be something really clear for them to report,” [County Attorney] Brandenburg said of Ty. This is in conflict with the claims of neglect.
There is such a thing as A CRIME OF PASSION in which a defendant is rightfully acquitted for lacking the necessary element of premeditation. In Tiffany’s case, THIS IS A CRIME OF COMPASSION where the mother suffered and despaired as to what to do after losing her job, after being kicked out off her mother’s place and from a friend’s place, and then homeless and most probably hungry and without shelter sought help for her Ty and for herself. Desperate she sought help from the police, but the police turned her away.
THIS WAS A CRIME OF COMPASSION. TIFFANY MUST BE SET FREE, THE BODY OF HER SON MUST BE RETURNED TO HER FOR HER TO DECIDED AS TO HIS LAST RIGHTS AND WERE, AND THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO NEEDS TO MAKE HER WHOLE.
Really? How did you come to that conclusion?
This was a crime of SELFISHNESS. If Tiffany couldn’t “help” her son, then no one could, and no one will. She simply needed to make a call to Child Protective Services, and make arrangements for Ty. Here’s the process that would have followed.
1. An appointment to relinquish Ty would have been made within 24 hours.
2. Tiffany could have waived the paperwork, or explicitly stated that her current condition was destitute, and her intention was to resume some parental rights AFTER she was able to recover. Regardless, Ty’s next step would be to be placed with pre-adoption services and foster care.
3. Tiffany would go about her way, trying to put her life back together while the State began processing paperwork to remove Tiffany and the father’s parental rights. These proceedings take about 12 months to complete.
4. After Tiffany was back on her feet, she could apply for a resumption of parental rights to Ty. If she filled out and retained the paperwork correctly, she’d know exactly who to contact and how to complete this process.
5. Regardless, Ty would not have been killed by Tiffany and would have survived a few more days if not years and decades.
This was a crime of STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE, SELFISHNESS, BETRAYAL, and INHUMANITY. She needs to be executed by the state.
SELFISHNESS? Not according to the Police Chief:
“What makes this story especially sad was when asked the reason why she took Ty’s life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him the same way that she had grown up with no one caring about her,” said Police Chief Ray Schultz, his eyes watery and his voice thick with emotion.”
I have experience with Child Protective Services and I am suing them in federal court in my state. I don’t know if she Tiffany had any experience with this agency but before my personal experience with it, I did contact it several times shortly after I stopped teaching and upon been given some information about a teacher and the assistant principal by a student who was still there.
Did you know that some people in Child Protective Services have NO college education whatsoever. If you ever deal with Child Protective Services, RECORD YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET A COPY OF THEIR REPORTS.
Child Protective Services LIED to a court about me regarding a meeting I participated in on a complaint against the mother of a friend of mine. I recorded the meeting and I spoke the truth sticking to one claim: my commitment to the daughter and her son, and I asked the agency to give me copy of the report while also telling it that I had recorded the meeting. The agency has since refused to provide any records in violation of state rules.
Tiffany went to the police. “Public defender Lee Hood now says the officer who turned Toribio away said she was being “overly dramatic.” Toribio was looking for help and didn’t get it, she added.”
And
“A spokesperson for CYFD said Thursday the agency will not comment on whether police should or shouldn’t have called them to the substation that night.”
THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE CALL CYFD TO THE SUBSTATION THAT NIGHT. IF IT HAD DONE SO, AND IF CYFD HAD HELPED TIFFANY AND TY, TY WOULD BE ALIVE AND TIFFANY WOULD NOT BE IN JAIL!
TIFFANY MUST BE SET FREE AND SHE MUST BE MADE WHOLE!
The child protective services agency in my state is A CORRUPT, RACIST, CRIMINAL AND FASCIST AGENCY, and I so intend to prove in federal court.
Do something! Call a surprise witness! Play the race card…PLAY IT!
-Homer Simpson
Yeah, good luck with that *laugh*
-max
SELFISHNESS? Not according to the Police Chief:
“What makes this story especially sad was when asked the reason why she took Ty’s life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him the same way that she had grown up with no one caring about her,” said Police Chief Ray Schultz, his eyes watery and his voice thick with emotion.”
self?ish
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–adjective
1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one’s own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.
Note that she only considered “her” own experiences in the guise of her child’s. Her child’s welfare was not a concern, only her perception of her child’s welfare and her own self-pity.
I have experience with Child Protective Services and I am suing them in federal court in my state.
So let me get this straight. You argued with child protective services in some other matter in which there was enough child abuse or neglect involved for them to get involved, and then you started stalking them. Did I get the details down correctly?
Then here’s Tiffany, who you claim went to an officer and tried to turn her child in… That’s not what happened.
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_albuquerque_lawyer_cops_dismissed_desperate_mother_200905282016
“Toribio’s attorney and police agree Toribio and her 3-year-old son Tyrus appeared at the Coronado Mall substation during the evening of May 12 and said there was a warrant out for her arrest on a traffic charge.
There also is agreement that the officer found no computer record of the warrant and that Toribio said she and her son had no place to go. After that the story gets murky.”
A crazy person, Torbido, lied to police officers in a mall substation and you expected them to take her seriously?
Tiffany tried to pull a scam and that scam fell through. She was so bitter about her scam falling through and so selfish in the following hours that she decided to murder her son–twice.
Like most murderers and like most defenders of murderers, Tiffany and you are trying to blame everyone but the person who killed Ty.
Tiffany didn’t come up to the police officer and say:
“I am destitute and I cannot provide for my son. I need help.”
She walked in, lied about a traffic warrant and acted like a scam artist trying to get police officers to break their procedures.
The officers said they offered services for Ty, but you know what, Tiffany wasn’t interested in helping Ty. She wanted her scam to work. There’s no legal obligation for the police to offer services to someone who denies the services offered, unless they are actively in the commission of a crime or sought for information or in association with a crime. The only one who messed up here was Tiffany. If you want Tiffany to be whole again, get her to confess to her crime completely, accept whatever punishment is coming to her, and then seek forgiveness from God, because she deserves nothing more.
“A crime of compassion by a very loving mother”…dude, are you fucking kidding me ?
Do you have kids ? Do you understand that most decent mothers such as myself would take their own lives first before we ever even THOUGHT of harming our children ? My god..what is wrong with you ?
Honestly, your priorities are so far out of whack that you don’t even deserve to own a computer. Women who love thieir children do not murder them, and do not..I repeat DO NOT murder them twice.
Look at that little boys face….no, I mean it..look at it ! That little boy deserved a mother who cared for him, and I don’t give a goddamn what kind of “hardships” his cunt of a mother suffered…you do not murder your kids !!! We have all fallen on hard times. Many mothers on this site I’m sure have been divorced, or are single mothers working their ass off to provide for their kids, and killing those kids is not some “option”.
You make me sick…you will come to the rescue of this murdering cunt bitch, and dismiss that angel who had to watch his “mommy” kill him twice.
Fuck you..fuck you all the way to Fucksville..and I mean that.
Fucksville….LOL. Isn’t that just north of Fucktardia?
Ha ! Why yes..yes it is. You know the place, right by Fucktard River. Glorious vacation spot I’ve been told. :)
I do, and since you challenge my priorities, let me tell you that I am very confident that my values and priorities are superior to yours, and mind you superior critical reading and thinking skills.
What did I write that justifies your writing about me “… and dismiss that angel who had to watch…”?
You remind me of people who I do know around here who publicly go spastic to put on a show as if trying to show to others that they are such good parents WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE NOT. I AM SUING SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IN THE SAME LAWSUIT IN FEDERAL COURT.
Your four-letter words suggest that you are OUT-OF-CONTROL! Is that how you behave towards your kids and around your kids? – CONSISTENCY!
You are out of control.
Well there goes your credibility – You’re involved in a lawsuit, so you have an obvious agenda here. That explains the total lack of logic or morals in your arguments. And you’re a parent? God help your poor children. What happened, they took your kids away for negligence? How dare they!
You’re a joke…
Your logic does not follow. My lawsuit has nothing to do with people in this state or any surrounding state. It does say that I have a lot of relevant experience, and I have a passion for justice and some aspects of the case call back on relevant experience and observations.
If there is something illogical, point it out: show the inconsistency; and if you can find a moral argument and moral criteria to show that any part of my arguments is wrong, I would thank you for it is easy to applaud but it contributes less to the person than the valid argument that shows one in error.
The authorities screwed up and have repeatedly refused to confront me in court because they know that they can’t prevail. More specifically, some people compromised some people who screwed up and thought that they were dealing with a dummy! Surprise! And they are in a check-mate position: they are too stupid to do the right thing as soon as they realize (or should realize that they made a mistake) and then they compound it in the hope that one goes away, and many do BUT I DON’T AND I SHALL RELENTLESSLY PREVAIL: BECAUSE I AM RIGHT!
It appears that the joke is on you.
IF THE POLICE HAD HELPED TIFFANY AND TY ON THAT TRAGIC EVENING, TY WOULD BE ALIVE, AND TIFFANY WOULD NOT BE IN JAIL.
Let me be blunt, and with basis to do so: DID THE COP WHO REFUSED HER HELP DECIDE THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO AFTER WORK TO THE PARK OFFER HER HELP – FOR A PIECE? If you want to argue that this does not happen and that it is NOT suggested also by the situation, you are being dishonest or you are naïve! However, the simplest explanation so far is that the cop lacked the training and the experience to have responded competently. HE (THEY) CERTAINLY LACKED THE COMPETENCE TO HAVE FOUND HER WARRANT, AND IF HE (THEY) HAD FOUND THAT WARRANT, TY WOULD BE ALIVE AND TIFFANY WOULD NOT BE IN JAIL.
Holy shit! Do the words Paranoid Schizophrenia mean anything to you? We have continually pointed out that if Tiffany hadn’t lied about who she was, Ty would have been safe – the police could not have looked for a warrant for a person who lied about her identity, and the warrant was not yet on the system even if she had told the truth. So that’s just plain bullshit on your part.
Your half truths are fooling no one here, and you are becoming more and more hysterical and desperate. Let’s take a look at this paragraph:
I mean Wow! Have you thought of getting some counseling? Your 1st sentence is classic conspiracy theorist paranoia, but it does tell us something important – you’ve tried this lawsuit before and it’s been tossed out of court, hasn’t it? Sure it has, and this time around is probably the second or third time you’ve pulled this, isn’t it?
I tell you what – why don’t you take this post and show it to a psychiatrist and tell us what he thinks about your state of mind? I’ll give you good odds that you’ll be doing the Thorazine shuffle at the local mental hospital before you know it.
The bottom line is you have shown yourself to be a complete nutcase, and now everyone here knows it. I knew if I pushed you hard enough you’d crack, and you followed the script to the letter. I wish I could say it’s because I’m just that smart, but you actually gave it away a while back with some of your earlier CAPS-filled rants. I just needed for you to go over the top to make it obvious to everyone. The highlighted paragraph did that quite nicely.
1776_Observer…
Honestly, I do not know what is worse. The fact that you’re sat here defending this murdering bitch like some creepy high school loser with a crush, or the fact that the obvious boner that you have for this cunt renders you incapable of taking care of your children.
I’ll let the others decide, because both are equally disgusting, and you simply are not fit to be a parent to a goldfish, much less a child who deserves far more than you could ever possibly give them.
That is all.
To: Maestrom: 1: a powerful often violent whirlpool sucking in objects within a given radius 2 : something resembling a maelstrom in turbulence.” — “3. A violently confused or dangerously agitated state of mind, emotion, affairs, etc.”
Both of your hypotheses are way off the mark, and your login name may explain this blog and prior blogs of yours. Perhaps your blog name represents your mental state. A maelstrom is defined by the on-line Webster-Merriam dictionary as “1: a powerful often violent whirlpool sucking in objects within a given radius 2 : something resembling a maelstrom in turbulence.”
A maelstrom is also defined by YourDictionary.com as “1. A famous strong, swirling tidal current off the W coast of Norway, hazardous to safe navigation. 2. Any large or violent whirlpool. 3. A violently confused or dangerously agitated state of mind, emotion, affairs, etc.” – Look at the third definition.
You should go and get an education.
Are you out of your fucking mind? Compassion? where is the compassion in ans act that involves smothering you own flesh and blood child to death and trying to hide the crime by burying him in a playground sand box? Chief Ray Schultz was crying because he, like the rest of us, understood the options Tiffany had available to her to ensure he had a happy, secure upbringing. One of them would have been for her to choose to be a mother instead of a party girl. Maybe if she had tries staying home with her son once in a while she might have developed some feelings for the boy.
Where did you get your facts, anyways? When did she go to the police for help and get turned away. That NEVER happened, and you know it. Yes Tyrus was happy, well taken care of and well nourished – do you understand why that was? Because Tiffany’ parents were the one’s who did all the caregiving for him, while she went out and partied like a two dollar whore. I don’t agree with what they did at the end, but up until then there is no doubt Tiffany’s parents were the only people who EVER cared about little Ty.
I’ve been around this website a long time, and I’ve seen some truly fucked up excuses for the things the scumbags we write about have done, but you have topped them all. I’m tempted to encourage you to go kill yourself, to put the rest of us out of our misery of listening to your incomprehensible drivel, but that wouldn’t be right. However if you chose to off yourself on your own, no one would be happier about it than I.
Max…I just don’t get these “people”. There has to be something missing within their genetic make-up, but that seems like a rather easy “excuse” almost for their depraved indifference towards the incomprehensible suffering that these innocent children have to endure.
How can anyone…ANYONE look at that little boys angelic face and want nothing more than to love him and protect him. But no, it’s too late now, because he’s dead…he’s dead at the hands of the one person who had a fucking duty, an obligation to protect him. And now we have people who can sit here and attempt to rationalize this shit, and attempt to advocate a “mercy killing” for this precious boy.
You know what…I have decided that 1776 observer would be better off if I beat the crap out of him with a tire iron…that is my idea of “mercy”. So 1776…drag your candy ass to my part of town so you can catch the beat down that you so richly deserve.
People like them make me sick. They making excuses for crime. They are the kind of people who blame the victims. They have no place in society or humanity. They are the kind who would say that Bernard Madoff made a bad judgement.
Read the article yourself. It’s at http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_albuquerque_lawyer_cops_dismissed_desperate_mother_200905282016
Lawyer: Cops dismissed desperate mother
APD rejects claim assistance not offered
Updated: Friday, 29 May 2009, 12:24 AM MDT
Published : Thursday, 28 May 2009, 8:16 PM MDT
• Reporter: Alex Tomlin
ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) – The back and forth continued Thursday over how Albuquerque police reacted when Tiffany Toribio sought help at a police substation in the hours before she allegedly murdered and buried her young son.
Toribio’s attorney and police agree Toribio and her 3-year-old son Tyrus appeared at the Coronado Mall substation during the evening of May 12 and said there was a warrant out for her arrest on a traffic charge.
There also is agreement that the officer found no computer record of the warrant and that Toribio said she and her son had no place to go. After that the story gets murky.
Public defender Lee Hood now says the officer who turned Toribio away said she was being “overly dramatic.” Toribio was looking for help and didn’t get it, she added.
“When you are in trouble you go to the police.” Hood said. “She told them that she and her son had nowhere to go and that she could not provide food and care for him.
“Our information is that officers gave her no information about phone numbers, pamphlets, where she could go for help.”
Hood declined to specify the source of her information.
Later that night at Alvarado Park Toribio smothered her son and buried him in the sand underneath playground equipment, according to court documents accusing her of first-degree murder and other crimes.
Hood first revealed Toribio’s attempt to get arrested Wednesday when her client appeared in court to plead no-contest to failing to pay the fine from a 2008 traffic ticket, the case behind the arrest warrant.
Albuquerque Police Department Chief Ray Schultz said his officers offered assistance to Toribio which she refused before leaving the substation.
“We offered her all types of assistance for her or her child,” APD spokesman John Walsh said. If Toribio was in fact desperate that night she could have taken the help the officers offered, he added.
Schultz said the most important thing is punishing the person responsible for Ty Toribio’s death.
“I’m a little frankly disgusted with the public defender’s office for making these allegations and trying to deflect from the responsibility of Tiffany Toribio in this case,” Schultz said. “She’s responsible for the act that took place and the taking of her son’s life.”
Hood said the police department’s claim that she is only trying to shift blame is even more upsetting.
“That’s a desperate move to walk into a police station in a mall and say, ‘I have nowhere to go,’” Hood said.
In a news conference shortly after Toribio’s arrest on May 20 Schultz quoted Toribio as saying she killed her son because she didn’t want him to grow up with no one caring about him the way no one cared about her. Toribio had recently been ejected from her mother’s house and a friend’s apartment, according to police.
On Wednesday Hood said the police had a duty to contact the state Children, Youth and Families Department when confronted by a mother and child in dire straits. Walsh said no such legal duty exists.
A spokesperson for CYFD said Thursday the agency will not comment on whether police should or shouldn’t have called them to the substation that night.
That’s your proof? something HER lawyer is accusing the police of. Please don’t insult my intelligence. The cops deny that it ever happened, and I believe them – do you know why? Because it makes sense, and the ambulance chaser’s scenario makes absolutely NO SENSE. Can you imagine the cops turning away a single mother and her son?
And as if we needed any more proof that the lawyer is full of shit:
“Hood declined to specify the source of her information.”
I’m so fucking sure…..LOL
What her lawyer is saying on the subject has consistency.
1. It is an unarguable fact that Tiffany went to the police to turn herself in on a traffic warrant.
2. It is an unarguable fact that the cops could not find any record of her warrant.
3. It is an unarguable fact that incompetence and lack of transparency is the statistical norm throughout government agencies, and that is very true of police departments and social service agencies; and they cover up for each other. Look at the response from CYF “A spokesperson for CYFD said Thursday the agency will not comment on whether police should or shouldn’t have called them to the substation that night.” The answer is a clear YES.
4. Look at the article of June 1, 2009 titled “Mayer seeks to bolster ’311′ service.” It explicitly acknowledges that it is in response to this tragedy: “Councilor Sally Mayer says the tragedy involving a toddler killed and buried at an Albuquerque park is fueling her push. – “I think this really tells us all we have to do more to reach out to people,” Mayer said.”
5. If the cops could not find a warrant, an operation that they have to carry out more frequently that assisting a mother in distresses, it is certainly most probable that if they could not find her warrant, they could not find any assistance for her.
6. “The cops deny it ever happened…” but cops specially under the circumstances have zero credibility. Look at Chief Schultz, the very same chief who rightfully tearfully told us (and I watched him in video and I audio-recorded it) why the situation was so sad, not turning JUST TO DEFEND THE DEPARTMENT AND TO ACCUSE HER.
7. The ambulance chaser scenario analogy does not apply, and you are uninformed. She is a public defender. Now, you are engaged in fiction.
8. What is and what should be are two very different things. What cops should do and what they do diverge greatly.
9. There are many good reasons why one would keep a source secret. In fact, I have gone to the extent of not providing a full list of whom I seek subpoenas for until the very end. You are wrong!
10. If police behaved as well as you suggest, the police should make it a rule that whenever they speak with a citizen about anything, the citizen should be able to record the conversation with them without any notice. In fact, cops should be required to record all the conversations that they have at the police station with anybody who comes seeking assistance, and copies of them should be available through the public records law. If that was the case, we would have an unequivocal record of what transpired.
11. Unequivocally, Tiffany went to that police station seeking desperate help and clearly she did not get it; or do you think that she was offered help and she turned it down?
12. A recent article by AP writer Jim Abrams titled “Tests fault security at federal buildings” showed the immense incompetence and plain mediocrity that we are drowning in, and it started as follows “WASHINGTON – Federal investigators had no trouble smuggling bomb-making materials past ill-trained and poorly supervised guards at federal buildings, senators were told at a hearing yesterday. – “This is the broadest indictment of a federal agency I have ever heard,’’ Senator Joseph Lieberman said at a Homeland Security Committee hearing on the performance of the Federal Protective Service, which is responsible for the safety of some 9,000 federal facilities. “This is really serious stuff.’’ – The committee, chaired by the Connecticut independent, heard how Government Accountability Office investigators on 10 occasions carried the components for an improvised bomb through checkpoints monitored by Federal Protective Service guards. In all 10 cases, the materials went undetected. – Mark Goldstein, the Government Accountability Office’s director for physical infrastructure issues, said the investigators assembled the devices in restrooms and walked around with them in briefcases. – The devices, which Goldstein said contained actual bomb components but with concentrations below trigger points, were smuggled into 10 level IV facilities – buildings housing more than 450 employees with a high volume of public contact – in four major cities. They included offices of a US senator and representative, as well as agencies such as the departments of Homeland Security, State, and Justice.”
And you would like me to believe that local cops would show more professionalism than those whose responsibility is to look out for the safety of federal judges, U. S. Senators and Representatives! Baloney! You are not being honest or you are naïve!
TIFFANY TORIBIO DID SEEK HELP FROM THE POLICE, THE POLICE TURNED HER AWAY NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO FIND HER WARRANT OR REFUSING TO ARREST HER FOR SOME VERY SICK REASON! AND THEN LIED TO THE MEDIA ABOUT HAVING OFFERED HER HELP!
1. That couldn’t be found
2. Because there was no record and Tiffany was lying
3. Tiffany murdered Ty in a playground. That is inarguable. The police did not murder him. Child services did not murder him. Murder is illegal and should be prosecuted. The penalty should be death in this case. Tiffany should be dead already.
4. Doesn’t support your case. In response to Ty’s murder, a politician wants to make it even easier for people to turn their babies over to child services.
5. Logic escapes you. If you cannot find a banana, because you don’t have a banana in the kitchen, you cannot find an apple? Seriously, that’s the sort of “logic” you’re trying to pull. Tiffany needed to say: “I need to surrender my child to child services. I am destitute.” She didn’t want to do that. She wanted to lie.
6. but cops specially under the circumstances have zero credibility. Let me get this straight, Tiffany, who murdered Ty deserves to be let go, but a Cop who has never been convicted of a crime has no credibility because a crazy woman came in and tried to turn herself in for a warrant that didn’t exist? When presenting an argument, start with a fact and move on from there.
7. You are the one who is engaged in ambulance chasing. You’re suing or involved in a suit against child services. You’re suing a civil service for what, money? Fame? Vengeance?
8. Tiffany killed Ty. The police did not kill Ty.
9. You can’t have a surprise witness in cases like these. Both sides have to be notified in advance.
10. The capacity to easily and readily record all conversations is a relatively modern invention. The Sony Walkman is only a few decades old and cheap mediums for the vast number of conversations that would entail has only recently become economically possible. That economic policy, however, is set aside for things like more police, shelters, more jails and more child services workers.
11. According to both her attorney and the police, Tiffany’s goal was to turn herself in on a warrant that doesn’t seem to exist. That’s not how you ask for help. Usually you lead with the words, “I am homeless and I need help,” before you start prattling about turning yourself in.
12. Cops are wary of people who start the relationship with lies. Ever been pulled for a speeding ticket? Notice how they often ask the question “Do you know why I stopped you?”
It’s your freaking responsibility to know! You’re driving a car. It has the power and force to kill people and destroy property. The police officer has the crappy job of “…to uphold and enforce the laws, as enacted by a civilian authority.”
Justice is going to come from a different perspective. Ty did not need to be murdered. Even sleeping outside for a night would have been preferable to killing him and then burying him in a playground! Seriously, the State is going to have a very simple case if the argument is going to be that the police were responsible for SMOTHERING Ty.
Thank you Jason. I would have repeated everything you just said in response to this person’s post, but probably not nearly as eloquently.
1776_Observer is seriously deluded, and obsessed with facts that don’t exist and truth that isn’t there. I wish she knew how much I researched this story before I published it, and how closely I followed it up. Anyway, I’m tired of arguing with this idiot.
“3. It is an unarguable fact that incompetence and lack of transparency is the statistical norm throughout government agencies, and that is very true of police departments and social service agencies; and they cover up for each other.”
Inarguable fact? Where exactly do you come up with this idea? The statistical “norm”? You use nice big words there, but you are using them very incorrectly and inappropriately. That is very much an “arguable concept” (not fact) and a “statistical norm” must be backed up with statistical data. Not just your own personal observance.
It is apparent that you have some serious paranoid tendencies, evidenced by the vitriol you spew at almost everyone in any sort of position of authority. You have disdain for teachers, principals, CPS, for the police, for the Federal Government.. who else? (Did you ever live in Waco, just for curiosities sake?)
Seriously, that is NOT normal. All of those people are NOT out to “get” you. Frankly, you are not worthy of all that attention. Unless you have made yourself a nuisance and pissed everyone off enough that they just can’t help jerking you around. Now that I think about it… that’s probably the case with some of those people.
So, as smart and superior as you are, why don’t you spend a little time looking up mental illness, particularly paranoia. You may find the descriptions rather interesting. Narcissism is probably a good one too, since you clearly have some issues in that area.
Your critical reading skills are weak.
To: Jason – July 11, 2009 at 9:12 PM.
You are a lazy fool! You LAZILY OR DISHONESTLY claimed that the warrant could not be found because Tiffany was lying.
You are A MISERABLE FOOL OR A CRIMINAL LIAR. I am pasting the copy of an article that shows your outright stupidity, fool!
Toribio sought arrest before boy killed
APD found no record of warrant
Updated: Wednesday, 27 May 2009, 6:45 PM MDT
Published : Wednesday, 27 May 2009, 6:45 PM MDT
• Reporter: Dave Bohman
• Web Producer: Bill Diven
ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) – In the hours before she is believed to have killed and buried her son Tiffany Toribio tried and failed to get herself arrested on an outstanding traffic warrant, Albuquerque police have confirmed.
The stunning revelation came during a hearing Wednesday where Toribio pleaded no-contest to the traffic charge of failing to pay fines.
“Our information is that on Tuesday May 12 Ms. Toribio attempted to turn herself in at the Coronado Mall substation for this warrant for failure to pay fines, and the officers declined to arrest her at that time, public defender Lee Hood, Toribio’s attorney, in court.
Toribio, who was on the street after being tossed out of a friend’s apartment, was trying to do the right thing, she added.
Albuquerque Police Department spokesman John Walsh confirmed Toribio tried to surrender herself but was not arrested because traffic warrants are not entered in the national crime database APD checked that night. Instead Toribio and her son were told about social services available to them, which they refused, and the pair then left the substation, Walsh said.
Some time around midnight that night Toribio smothered her son and buried him in the soft sand of a playground at Alvarado Park, according to a criminal complaint accusing her of first-degree murder and other crimes.
Two days later a woman out with her family in Alvarado Park discovered a shoe in the sand and realized it was attached to a body. Also on Wednesday police released her horrified call to 911.
“I’m in a park called Alvarado Park in Albuquerque,” she told the 911 dispatcher. “I was digging under the playground, and I can’t bring myself to unearth the whole thing, but I think I just found a body buried under the playground equipment.”
The caller went on to say her kids were with her and she didn’t want them to see what was happening.
KRQE News 13 has agreed not to release that caller’s name.
Many unanswered questions remain about Toribio’s actions and APD’s response, and News 13 will have more on this developing story in upcoming newscasts
you are…. apparently crazy
If you show up at an emergency room, you can be admitted for a 24 hour psychiatric evaluation. You don’t need medical insurance and they can help you get the treatment you need.
To: Max the Cat on July 10 T 10:19 AM
You are imagining things. This is the exact quote about Police Chief Schultz: “”What makes this story especially sad was when asked the reason why she took Ty’s life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him the same way that she had grown up with no one caring about her,” said Police Chief Ray Schultz, his eyes watery and his voice thick with emotion.” In the AP article of May 21, 2009 by Heather Clark.
I am doing my homework, and I have read over thirty-six articles and I have copies of many of them in my PC. I also made some erroneous assumptions at the beginning and I thought then that justice entailed punishment, but I was in error upon doing my homework with good reason.
Your irony detector is broken. Get a new one.
As I told you, you have zero credibility now, because you are involved in a lawsuit and that is your real agenda. You will never admit that you might be wrong because it would make you lawsuit invalid, and it’s disingenuous (go look it up) of you to engage us here.
I will tell you this – If the garbage you’ve been spewing on our website is an example of the quality of your evidence, your lawsuit is in deep, deep trouble. It might be worth a trip to Arizona to see you get laughed out of court.
Am I the only one praying that this retard never serves on a jury?
Geesh. I missed this? Wow. What a whack job!! I mean, really.
AND THE THING ABOUT ALL CAPS — FOOLS. I AM A SOOOOPER GEEENIIUS……….
Bugs Bunny comes to mind. Specifically the episode where Wile E Coyote comes to tell Bugs Bunny that he (Wile) is a super genius and he should just surrender now.
LOL
Don’t you wish every one took their meds??
Let me tell you what a good loving mother is. Jennifer Nelson took a bullet and died to protect her 4 year old son from a monster in their home.
http://crime.about.com/b/2009/01/16/indictment-reveals-details-of-ohio-home-invasion.htm
that’s what any decent loving mother would do. she could have escaped on her own and left her son to be butchered but she choose to confront his assailant.
Tiffany Toribio not only didn’t choose to protect her son from a assailant she WAS the assailant. She murdered her precious little boy not once but TWICE.
Seriously, do you not grasp the perniciousness of her actions toward her own child?
I suppose the two you can discuss this matter at length when you meet in Hell.
To: endchildabuse
Your goal, as conveyed by your blog name, is very laudable; but you are comparing apples and oranges, and you are weakening your credibility when you display the poor analytical skills that you are demonstrating in this case.
Would I ever trust you with any advice on a matter of child abuse? No!
By the way, the first time I went to child protective services agency was to report a science teacher and the assistant principal after a number of reports from several students about sexual abuse by the science teacher. I went when one student told me about she and her sister being sexually harassed and that when she went to the assistant principal, he went to bat for the teacher and verbally abused the student. It turned out that both the science teacher and the assistant principal were politically influential and the teacher was also very wealthy. The agency did nothing until years later another complaint was filed, and the effort was on saving his skin by having him resign. I found years later that this racket of abuse and protection went on for about twenty plus years!
In Tiffany’s situation, would you have killed Ty?
If the answer is yes, you are not worthy of being a parent.
No one here understands your argument because you don’t have an argument built on any sort of reasonable footing.
Tiffany would have a better chance of a plea of insanity than this garbage you’re spewing.
You hate child services, I get that, but you’re insane if you think turning Ty over to them would be worse than Tiffany murdering Ty.
Stop, come back to this from a position of neutrality and figure this out one step at a time.
Your mind works at a childish level. I don’t hate Child Services, but I do view most of its personnel as inept, lazy, corrupt and fascist, and some of them are in fact criminals (in the full sense of the word); but i also know people in child service whom I respect and admire.
You should get an education.
1776, It must really suck to be surrounded by people who don’t recognize your genius, doesn’t it? It’s absolutely amazing how everyone but you can be overlooking the OBVIOUS conclusions that you have made. Why, that’s just infuriating, isn’t it? None of us are willing to just accept your word, when you are so superior to us.
Well, here’s a little clue for you… no one gives a fuck about your opinion. We might have cared if you had been pleasant and sociable, but now? Not so much. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Oh yeah, and just for good measure – let me show you how out-of-control and childish I am: FUCK! Fuck. fuck,fuck,fuck!! fuckity-fuck fuck. Neener neener!
lmao! “Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuckity-fuck-fuck.” That always cracks me up Maz.
Wow, you are one hell of a dumb shit aren’t you? Wouldn’t the world be a much better place without people with your caliber of stupidity not contributing to the gene pool? Alas, I digress…
There is no crime of “compassion” by putting down your healthy son like a diseased farm animal. And wow, she lost her job. How many Americans have lost their jobs in this shitty economic climate? Ever heard of unemployment? They give it out like candy now. On top of everything, had she basically run off all her friends and family, she could have easily entered a homeless shelter. I’m assuming they have them there? Thought so.
Let the bitch burn. And if Max is too high class to say it, I’m not: Do the world a favor and go kill yourself. You are very nearly too ignorant to live, and I surely hope you have no children of your own and don’t plan to breed. Let’s just keep the sludge out of the gene pool, shall we?
Sorry to disappoint you but I have no low IQ and I am fairly knowledgeable on a number of subjects AND I HAVE A PASSION FOR JUSTICE, and I have made a number of note-worthy contributions in child-rearing. I also happen to have good genes and this is a fact, so I suggest that instead you give further analysis and thought to this tragedy.
Tiffany had lost her job, had been kicked out of her mother’s home, had been kicked out of a so-called friend’s home, and had been denied help by the police after sleeping in the park with her son (and I personally know of a mother and of a grandmother who are responsible for having thrown daughters of theirs from their home while in efforts to take advantage of those daughters).
And their daughters found themselves in similar situations to Tiffany’s. I was too late for the first one but not for the second one; AND WHEN I READ ABOUT TIFFANY IMMEDIATELY REMEMBERD THOSE SITUATIONS, AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS SURFACED SO FAR SHOWS THAT TIFFANY IS A VICTIM AND NOT A PERPETRATOR – EVEN THOUGH I CANNOT YET MAKE ANY FINAL CONCLUSIONS ABOUT HER MOTHER OR HER ALLEGED FRIEND.
ONE THING IS FOR SURE. The June 8, 2009 article by AP writer Heather Clark titled “Woman indicted in death of son in Albuquerque park” states at the end “In the days leading up to Ty’s death, Toribio had been kicked out of her mother’s home and a friend’s apartment over concerns she was neglecting her son, police said. – Bernalillo County Attorney Kari Brandenburg said investigators must look at the credibility of conflicting accounts from those who knew Toribio before any decision can be made regarding charges for failing to report neglect. – “The child reportedly was very healthy, very well-nourished and looked well taken care of, so there has to be something really clear for them to report,” Brandenburg said..”
“THE CHILD REPORTEDLY WAS VERY HEALTHY, VERY WELL-NOURISHED AND LOOKED WELL TAKEN CARE OF…” SO SAID THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR!
Let me be blunt, and with basis to do so: DID THE COP WHO REFUSED HER HELP DECIDE THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO AFTER WORK TO THE PARK OFFER HER HELP – FOR A PIECE? If you want to argue that this does not happen and that it is NOT suggested also by the situation, you are being dishonest or you are naïve! However, the simplest explanation so far is that the cop lacked the training and the experience to have responded competently. HE (THEY) CERTAINLY LACKED THE COMPETENCE TO HAVE FOUND HER WARRANT, AND IF HE (THEY) HAD FOUND THAT WARRANT, TY WOULD BE ALIVE AND TIFFANY WOULD NOT BE IN JAIL.
I have been trying to do my homework. Have you?
First off, following your arguments is difficult because English is not one of those subjects you are knowledgeable in. Your passion for justice is erratic and fails to understand the nature of the law.
Law is about making a victim whole. When a victim cannot be made whole through money or property alone, a punishment is inflicted on the party responsible for the victimization appropriate to the case.
In this case, the victim the courts are responsible for first is Ty.
He was murdered. He was murdered by Tiffany.
Muddying the waters with all of this conspiracy stuff fails at the one thing needed to set Tiffany free. It needs to be proven that she was not responsible for Ty’s death.
Nothing you’re arguing is going to get to that point.
Jason, again you don’t know what you are talking about.
You are confusing criminal law and civil law. Go get an education.
Torts and making a person whole again is about domain of civil law and not of criminal law.
There are five objectives under Criminal law, one of them is Restitution. Restitution specifically is the repair of any hurt inflicted upon the victim.
The others are Retribution, Incapacitation, Deterrence, and Rehabilitation.
We can’t deter her from killing Ty again. We have to protect the Victim’s interests as well as the common good.
You should actually learn a bit about law here.
Man. Of all the people, now 1776_Observer tells JASON to get an education??? One of the most intelligent, erudite commentators here, and 1776 says “get an education”?
Of course, 1776 is saying this cause he/she has a degree or two, and is a shining example of why I don’t put much stock in those people with degrees.
What do you get when you take a fool and educate them?
An educated idiot!!
Seriously. This character keeps using the wrong terms. It’s not “blog name” — it’s user id. And the entries made here are “comments” — not “blogs”
And that’s just for starters…….
Once again, I have to point out that the only reason Ty was “VERY HEALTHY, VERY WELL-NOURISHED AND LOOKED WELL TAKEN CARE OF” was because of Tiffany’ss parents, not Tiffany – The ultimate proof of that is as soon as she has sole responsibility for him, she fucking killed him. All this nonsense about the police is pure conjecture on your part, and adds nothing to the argument.
You’re becoming hysterical, and it isn’t pretty. Comparing what other people have done to this case is comparing apples to oranges. This case stands on it’s own facts, horrible as they are. I think I know one case you’re referring to, and it was another case of a selfish, self centered “mother” who killed her child as soon as her main source of child care cut her off.
I’ve seen people like you before. Their favorite way to argue is to repeat all the “facts” that support their position. Someone points out a flaw in your line of BS, you just repeat the same thing you said before. Someone else finds another ridiculous conclusion – repeat as above. I’m sure you worked very hard to put together this “proof” – but I’m sorry to be the one to tell you that just because you say something out loud doesn’t make it the truth.
It’s a typical tactic for people who have an “elitist” mentality. They take an unsubstantiated detail and present it as “fact”, and then base the remaining arguments on that manufactured “fact”. It all fits together in their own mind – they can see it clearly. But they melt down as soon as someone points out that the initial “fact” is baseless, and thus dismantles the rest of their argument..
I am truly hoping that this poster is a regurgitated troll, because I really hate to think that there are this many idiots out there.
Nope, I checked Maz – unless we have a guy working a whole bunch of proxies, 1776_Observer is a new and improved crackpot out of MA.
1776_Observer…
People who have GENUINE high I.Q’s do not go around bragging about it, and are usually the last people who will tell you that it is in fact high.
When you start spouting off about your so-called “high” I.Q you only come across as an insecure, bitter little man who needs constant reassurance.
You also remind me of the kid in class constantly screaming…
“Everyone is picking on me”
For some reason you have chosen to defend something indefensible, and you have failed in convincing anyone of your warped side. Whether or not you choose to admit this is totally irrelevent.
Well, actually:
I’ve been homeless, albeit not for long, because I am also no fool.
I’ve lived in a DV shelter because of abuse. I’ve dealt with CPS, both as a child, and because my idiot ex kept calling them on me and wasting both their time and mine. In fact, I’ve been through a shit load of things, including getting kicked out of my mother’s house, and my friend’s house, because they were on Section 8 and would lose their home if they let me stay there.
AMAZINGLY: my daughter is alive. GO FIGURE!!! So if Tiffany is a “victim” for killing her child, what does that make me? A medal of fucking honor winner? Alas, no medal for me… I’m just a normal mom.
And oh, in case you’re wondering, I have no low IQ myself, despite my choice in utilizing rather choice words to describe people whom I believe are degenerate fools. And I’ve studied, in COLLEGE plenty of criminal justice. In case you were wondering… it isn’t normal to kill your children. CPS doesn’t make you do it. The police don’t make you do it. Wow, you’re a paranoid little fuck aren’t you? I’d suggest you take a couple of xanax, possibly a tylenol PM and rethink all this in about a week after you’ve calmed down some…
So let me try to get this straight. Because her life was not perfect right now, we should all excuse the murder of a child. A child who by all accounts of her defense posse was “well taken care of, healthy” – not a sick child not a disabled child or a child who demanded anything extra from her; just normal kid things – food, shelter, love.
Well based on that line of thinking, any parent who has lost their job, lost their home, lost their spouse, feels neglected/unwanted by their friends and family should automatically get a free pass to kill their child? Not only kill their child but change their mind in the middle of the callous act, recusitate the child, then decide “nah I had it right the first time”, then finally kill them and have such a lack of common decency and bury him in sand at a park.
I have done some extra reading on this case since the defamation word came up, and frankly, not a single thing said was libelous. Its always funny to me how friends and family members of these elite members of society seem to either lack comprehension skills or let them go by the wayside when it hits close to home, but I think that’s what it comes down to, the stories posted here are written sided with the victims, of course, but only to tell their stories because christs sakes who else will do it for them. Think about it though, the story is accurate to the simplest point–someone was hurt, tortured, maimed. or murdered and someone had to perpetrate the act. Period. Point Blank. Obviously her lawyer isn’t filing suit because there is no just cause to do so.
Get a grip and live in the reality of the moment–there were other choices and part of being a parent means recognizing that the easiest decision is rarely, if ever, the correct one.
-Min
No one has a perfect life, whatever that means. There is no excuse. By their thinking, we should not charge evil folks like Bernard Madoff, Charles Manson, or Osama bin Laden for what they did. What Tiffany Toribio did is beyond reprihensible.
Why don’t these selfish child murderers ever just give up their children and allow them to be adopted? A three year old boy would be adopted in a second.
1776_Observer is in need of some extreme mental help. I can’t even respond in English, I’m so outraged over his/her completely twisted mentality, so I’ll just say this:
QAUE NTQAY HTTGAVJDFMSVALRDN HACFBNGDM VSAVGNFEK!!!!!
Thank you. I feel better now.
What are the facts of the case? or How many articles have you read on this tragedy?
Conclusions are based on reasoning about some facts based on some criterion. What are they for your conclusions? Give us some enlightenment!
If “QAUE NTQAY HTTGAVJDFMSVALRDN HACFBNGDM VSAVGNFEK!” is in a real language, what language is it? or what does it mean?
Did Tiffany murder Ty?
Did Ty try to kill Tiffany in a struggle that Tiffany was forced to put him down in serious fear for her life?
Was Ty about to detonate a nuclear device?
Was Ty possessed by the anti-Christ and prepared to bring about Armageddon unless Tiffany smothered him twice and then hid the body in a playground?
Stop, breathe deeply and come at this as a rational human being.
Looking up a warrant is simple. You go to a simple computer screen, type in the search criteria, and it comes back with a series of warrants. If someone tries to turn themselves in, police LOVE it!
It’s a good thing.
Jason I just have to say your posts are amazing. Absolutely Amazing.
However, you shouldn’t give anyone any ideas.
“Was Ty possessed by the anti-Christ and prepared to bring about Armageddon unless Tiffany smothered him twice and then hid the body in a playground?”
Isn’t there a case on here where someone killed their child because they thought she was possessed?
I think probably since you posted that, Observer is going to call Tiffany’s lawyer and present that as a possible defense.
~Min
You’re emotionally unstable, incapable of connecting with reality and completely without sane logic. If you’d bothered to read my post and actually absorb what I said… wait, what am I expecting? Why ask you to do something you’ve refused to do this entire time?
I repeat:
QAUE NTQAY HTTGAVJDFMSVALRDN HACFBNGDM VSAVGNFEK!!!!!
Max? Any chance that we have a new wolf in sheep’s clothing here? It’s just really interesting that one crazy-ass troll leaves and another pops up immediately after. Strangely, both are FAR superior to all of us, and have similar distrust of authority, and very similar ways of twisting logic.
just sayin’ ….
I want IP addresses… I really, really want to know about Sam, Alex, the other Jason from last night, this crackerjack, James, Ad, Spaz and of course Stapler…
Perhaps it’s just paranoia, but these posts look like what you’d get if you ran them through Babelfish English to Spanish and then Spanish to English.
There all different IP’s from different parts of the country (except Sam and Alex, of course) – It could be one asshole on a bunch of proxies, but that seems like alot of work just to try and be right (and fail every time)
1776_Observer is out of Mass – I know his name, but to publish it would be unethical. I can say that you were right about English probably not being his first language.
To: Max the Cat – on July 11, 2009 at 9:38 PM.
You took ownership of Jason’s foolishness and therefore my previous blog to him is also dedicated to you.
When you make conclusions and judgments based ON FALSE FACTS you are going to arrive to ignominiously foolish and irresponsible statements like the ones offered by this fool.
“When you make conclusions and judgments based ON FALSE FACTS you are going to arrive to ignominiously foolish and irresponsible statements like the ones offered by this fool.”
I can’t believe you said this – now that’s IRONY. What do you think Jason?
What was that? :::whooooosh::::
Oh yeah, the irony flying right over 1776′s head!
Wow… ya know if this is a real person, she needs help fast.
The language in the posts is changing though. The sentence structure is changing. There’s no consistency anymore. Can you check and see if this isn’t someone in Alex or Sam’s neighborhood?
To: Mazzi on July 11. 2009 at 9:44 PM
I was in fact being kind. It is worst than the mere statistical norm. It is well over fifty percent. It is the sad state of humanity. If you think that such proposition is false, show me just one example of that disproves it; and here is an example from which you may legitimately infer that my proposition is empirically by this study alone proven to be correct. – Values and priorities.
“Tests fault security at federal buildings
‘Serious’ flaws found by GAO
By Jim Abrams
Associated Press / July 9, 2009
WASHINGTON – Federal investigators had no trouble smuggling bomb-making materials past ill-trained and poorly supervised guards at federal buildings, senators were told at a hearing yesterday.
“This is the broadest indictment of a federal agency I have ever heard,’’ Senator Joseph Lieberman said at a Homeland Security Committee hearing on the performance of the Federal Protective Service, which is responsible for the safety of some 9,000 federal facilities. “This is really serious stuff.’’
The committee, chaired by the Connecticut independent, heard how Government Accountability Office investigators on 10 occasions carried the components for an improvised bomb through checkpoints monitored by Federal Protective Service guards. In all 10 cases, the materials went undetected.
Mark Goldstein, the Government Accountability Office’s director for physical infrastructure issues, said the investigators assembled the devices in restrooms and walked around with them in briefcases.
The devices, which Goldstein said contained actual bomb components but with concentrations below trigger points, were smuggled into 10 level IV facilities – buildings housing more than 450 employees with a high volume of public contact – in four major cities. They included offices of a US senator and representative, as well as agencies such as the departments of Homeland Security, State, and Justice.
“In this post-9/11 world that we are now living in, I cannot fathom how security breaches of this magnitude were allowed to occur,’’ Susan Collins of Maine, top Republican on the committee, said.
The Federal Protective Service, Goldstein concluded, “is an agency in crisis.’’ In addition to the smuggling operations, investigators cited examples of a night guard being found asleep after taking Percocet and a guard failing to recognize or properly X-ray a box containing handguns. One guard who was supposed to have been at his post was caught using government computers to manage an adult website.
The report also found that 411 of the 663 guards deployed to a federal facility had at least one expired firearm qualification, background check, domestic violence declaration, or CPR-first aid training certificate.
While the service requires guards to complete 128 hours of training, including eight hours of X-ray and metal detector, in one region the service had not provided it since 2004.
Gary Schenkel, the agency’s director, said that within three hours of receiving the study he had ordered regional directors to increase inspections and outline steps they would take to improve guard performance.
“It’s purely a lack of oversight on our part,’’ he said.
He said the that agency’s full-time workforce had decreased from 1,400 in 2003, when it became part of the new Department of Homeland Security, to 1,236 today, and that the agency had to reschedule training and equipment purchases to avoid greater cuts. The agency has a budget of about $1 billion and, in addition to full-time employees, uses about 13,000 contract security guards.
Schenkel said his office would also require more random searches of packages, increase oversight of contract guards, and carry out inspections of screening processes.”
Those are the individuals looking out (after 911) for the safety of federal judges, U. S. Senators and Representatives, etc.
You know what, if you can’t stick to the topic at hand, I’m going to ban your crazy ass. I’m done playing around with you. Your previous posts are good for entertainment – morons are funny people – but this is over the line. I don’t bust my ass on a daily basis for this shit.
It is a legitimate response to a challenge on a claim I made.
Does it bother you that I responded the the challenge, and that I responded effectively?
effectively? Perhaps you should look that word up?
Did Tiffany murder Ty?
LOL, you haven’t responded to anything effectively. You’re just a nut job who thinks he might be smart like the rest of us. Please, get help.
You are kidding, right?
That is what you consider a legitimate and effective response? Seriously?
I am actually stunned. Intellectual weakness extraordinaire!
To: Mazzi on July 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Re: It is an unarguable fact that incompetence and lack of transparency is the statistical norm throughout government agencies, and that is very true of police departments and social service agencies; and they cover up for each other.”
Inarguable fact? Where exactly do you come up with this idea? The statistical “norm”? You use nice big words there, but you are using them very incorrectly and inappropriately. That is very much an “arguable concept” (not fact) and a “statistical norm” must be backed up with statistical data. Not just your own personal observance.
Go ahead, argue that competence is at least the ‘statistical norm.’ It is NOT.
Go ahead, argue that my having used the term “statistical norm” (while being kind) about incompetence and lack of transparency is AN INAPPROPRIATE AND INCORRECT USE.
My GOD, you are dense! I will not argue that ANYTHING is a statistical norm if there are not statistical facts to back it up! And, there is NO statistical data to back up what you claim, or what you want me to debate you about.
You really are thick, aren’t you?
Statistical Norm:
a statistical concept in psychometrics representing the aggregate responses of a standardized and representative group are established for a test, against which a subject is compared.
Yeah, Mazzi is crushing you here. For this to be a statistical norm, you’d have to show that not only was it SOP for the officers to conduct business this way, but that the majority of the population actually expects them to do so, and then compare the test subject against the statistical norm with some sort of instrument(a test in most cases).
Very, very good catch Mazzi, I know you’ve mentioned law cases in the past. Are you currently in law school?
I was. I decided that I couldn’t handle the true ethical issues regarding the law (not the so-called “legal ethics” they teach in school, but the genuine soul-wrenching ethics.) In other words, no matter where I went in the field of law, I would be forced to pay my dues in ways that I couldn’t morally accept. I would either have to prosecute innocent people, or defend guilty ones, OR I could go into tort law and chase ambulances, OR I could get a corporate desk job which doesn’t fit with my desire to help society.
I am now working towards my first psychology degree. I plan on working with newly diagnosed autistic and developmentally disabled toddlers and pre-schoolers. I am hopeful that with the right intervention they can compensate and develop normally. There is a lot of interesting therapy being done now.
To: Mazzi on July 11, 2009 at 11;18 PM.
I just got hold of this entry of yours. I had an inkling that you were in what is called the social sciences field.
Congratulations for having chosen not to prostitute yourself which is unfortunately what so many lawyers have to do. My father was a lawyer, an ethical one – I believe, and I saw the problems with the profession and though for a while I wanted to be a lawyer at one point those problems in the profession bothered me quite a bit and upon reading a statement by Albert Einstein (I think it was) about how nature will play tricks on you but it will not deceive you, men will, I decided to go into a technological/scientific field instead. The human element is still there though, of course.
I wish you luck but I hope that you keep one thing in mind: psychology is NOT yet a science. I had a book from a professor in some Maine or Vermont college or university which was solely on that subject and how it still fails the scientific criteria.
I am pleased to tell you that one of the two best teachers I taught with in one of the best school systems in this state was also a lawyer from one of the top law schools. She had practiced law for a big law firm and worked in their Washington office for some time; but I get the impression that she decided that she was just being a prostitute and that she would be a happier human being by teaching social studies in a middle school than being a lawyer, and she was just a fantastic teacher! I am fairly confident that my reading of her is correct but she was too prudent and to so tell me.
I don’t know if you realize it already but there are also a lot of unprofessional practices among some psychologists. I get the impression that you chose a field within psychology where the ethical challenges and the threats to you to compromise will be less.
Again, congratulations, and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. I may be going to law school very soon primarily out of necessity to protect my son and his mom, but not without leaving technology. I do find the law very easy. I don’t know why.
AGAIN: I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK!
I think he’s going through menopause. . . with a hint of epilepsy.
Who, 1776_Observer? LOL – Yeah, something like that. I was thinking more along the lines of a frontal lobotomy.
LOL, yeah I mean 1776_Observer! I wonder where he came up with crap. if his brain rolls like that all the time I’m sure he’s never bored.
Who knew that Hall’s vapor action could be so powerful?
I love it when people like 1776_Observer use big words to try to BS their way through life-Whatever, 1776 dude I have a graduate degree, everyone in my office has graduate degrees, my friends with grad degrees in SCIENTIFIC fields with lots of statistic courses don’t talk like that!! He was good for a laugh today!
I think he must wear a foil cap to stop the CIA from sending waves through space to probe his brain!!!
Who the fuck asked you for your opinion asshole? Mazzi was responding to a question Jason asked. How you thought that involved you preaching some more of your inane philosophy to the rest of us escapes me. Please, PLEASE seek professional psychiatric care, and quickly.
To: Mazzi on July 11, 2009 at 10:56 PM and Jason at 11:04 PM:
I wrote before: “I was in fact being kind. It is worst than the mere statistical norm. It is well over fifty percent. It is the sad state of humanity. If you think that such proposition is false, show me just one example of that disproves it; and here is an example from which you may legitimately infer that my proposition is empirically by this study alone proven to be correct. – Values and priorities.”
I guess that neither of you knew or knows what the term statistical norm means. It simply means “THE AVERAGE” – as in adding all the quantities and dividing them by the number of quantities (values) and that is why I wrote that I was being kind. It is well above fifty percent.
Jason clearly was clueless and Mazzi is coming from the legal field and from the social “science” field, and the statistical fact (based on GRE scores that you are going to have to loop up by yourself) is that psychology graduates are math challenged.
Dense? I don’t think so. Quite to the contrary, but I will not back it up.
he’s right you know. dense doesn’t even begin to describe this guy.
-max
This guy apparently never passed a statistics course.
It’s moot since this creepy loser is banned now – but I still want to rebut him, lol.
“Norm” is a shortening of the word “normal”, of course. Whether or not incompetence is truly “normal” in government agencies is arguable (which was my other beef with his comment).
But adding the word “statistical” to “norm” has a specific meaning. It means that the action has been *officially* studied and broken down into specific groupings, of which the radiating midpoint is recognized as the norm. So, by saying “statistical norm” 1776 was implying that statistical studies were done, and incompetence was considered normal. To “prove” his point he listed a few anecdotal examples. I really would have expected that such a self-proclaimed superior thinker and educated man would have taken a stat class at least once, and would have known this very basic concept.
As far as statistics go, I don’t put a whole lot of credence in them anyway. When I was 10, my father gave me a book called “How to Lie About Statistics”, and since then, I have always tended to look deeply at statistics – going so far as to look up sample sizes, study criteria, methodology, etc. before I trust them. So even if there was a study done regarding “government agencies (which would be almost impossible due to the huge variety and number of such agencies), I would not debate either side of the issue.
But the point here is that this loser used a “fact” that he apparently pulled out of his ass, to bolster his later positions. He tried to sound all authoritative about it in the hopes that no one would call shenanigans. But anyone who has been at this site for even a few minutes knows that we will all cry BS! when necessary, and that we are really a lot smarter than the narcissists give us credit for.
Mwuahahahahahaha
To: Mazzi on July 11, 20098 at 11:06 PM.
Re. to the STATISTICAL NORM.
A very high percentage of so-called scientific studies of at least as of ten to fifteen years ago lacked scientific validity because they were poorly designed, and I believe that this was much worse in the “social sciences” field where there is a much greater poverty of thought as to what the scientific method is and on how to design experiments. I did study how to design experiments, but I did not acquire the expertise that at one point I desired to have in that field.
I do know unequivocally (and I have the evidence that would be admissible in a court of law and would prove my point) that some “social scientists” are manufacturing data IN ORDER TO GET MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND FROM OTHER SOURCES.
That’s it – you’re done. I warned you to stay on topic, but like everything else people have been trying to tell you, you ignored it. So now you get to join the very short list of people I’ve banned from this website. But don’t feel too bad, you ARE the first mentally challenged person to ever get the boot – the other 2 people were racists.
But before you go, please, I’m begging you, by all that’s holy in this world, get some counseling, because son, you are not playing with a full deck.
poop, I just seen Observers his reply to myself, I didn’t realize I was in the middle of a Math quiz?
I’m guessing he’s a little pissy because Mensa International didn’t except his membership and he needed somewhere to go to throw a tantrum.
I have to say it does take a unique kind of genius to write so many words and not actually anything. wonder if he sleeps with a thesaurus?
Awwwww Max. I woke up planning to poke that loser with a pointy stick some more. Way to ruin my morning, lol.
Ahhh well.. I expect that there will be a new troll soon enough. We must be getting a reputation as a place where these pathetic masochists can get a good verbal abusing. (I wonder if there are troll sites where these losers discuss this stuff?)
Say the word Maz and I’ll give him a reprieve – at least for a while. I would hate to get a reputation as a party pooper. LOL
Hahah. Naw Max.. I will just get my pointy stick ready for the next one =)
I can only assume 1776 chose to rant here because no one would listen in person.
When the entire world stops listening to you or actually starts laughing at you, maybe you should rethink what’s coming out of your mouth because it’s obvious no one is taking you seriously. Try a different tactic. Like, maybe… sanity.
Excellent advice VCBecky. Unfortunately, I think it’s wasted on the likes of our friend. In the words of Hank Hill, ” That boy just ain’t right.”
i have a problem with a statement. murderous bitch said the reason she murdered her son was so he wouldnt grow up with nobody loving him like she had to grow up? um, wait a minute, isnt the mother supposed to love you unconditionally? her mother obviously felt something, cuz she let tiffany stay there, kid and all….. but that sentence keeps playing through my mind….nobody loving him, so to me that means she didnt love him from day one. how could a kid be so well taken care of for 3 years when other people are around, then as soon as the above age of 18 mom has him to herself, shit goes downhill…..its cuz she didnt give a DAMN! the little boy was an obstacle to get rid of, and that she did, in such a cruel manner. there are plenty of ways to get help nowadays, but when someone doesnt even want to put forth the effort, its like “oops kid, ur cramping my style” she basically murdered him twice! yet another person who should have “baby killer” branded on the forehead and released into general population
I was tempted to pass this over and then I caught that Jason was alluding that I was this guy. Apparently only one person can disagree with things on this board according to Jason, and I am that person. I have nothing better to do that pretend to be numerous people for months on end at the same time just to feed Jason’s need to be smug. I dropped out of school and quit my job to dedicate myself to this facade.
Hey Jason, that guy that cut you off in traffic the other day? That was me.
Remember the girl that denied you when you tried to kiss her? That was me.
Do you recall when that burger didn’t taste quite right? All me.
Every perceived bad thing in your life has been me. I even trained the brown recluse to bite you. I hope this simple confession will allow you to sleep at night. And I swear I’m not watching you from the closet.
Now back on semi-topic. I see a pattern here. A person says something contrary to the general consensus and the same 3 people jump all over it. Nice mob mentality. Thing is, I will admit he was asking for it by calling the author a fool in his first post. Short of that, he is entitled to this thoughts. And banning him for going off-topic? Are you serious? We have seen topic after topic go astray and no one got banned for it. You just didn’t like what he was saying and abused your power. That behavior is what calls into question the legitimacy of this site.
And one of my fav quotes from the whole exchange and it sums up the pretentiousness of the group: “You’re just a nut job who thinks he might be smart like the rest of us.”.
Max, you wanna ban Stapler? He is getting really fucking annoying. Can we put up a vote for that maybe?
He acts like we are required to play by some rules that he has made up for us. He doesn’t like the mob mentality? Oh dear. We better stop that. He doesn’t like the way we call people trolls? Nix that too. After all, we do want to keep Staple-boy happy, don’t we?
Besides, we have newer, fresher, more exciting trolls to mess with now. Stapler is sooooooo last week!
Siding with 1776′s observations eh?
Did you read them Stapler? They make your ramblings look documented.
I don’t have access to the IP logs, and unlike other sites, I don’t post tracking pixels in my posts, even though I know Max would probably let them through–it’s bad manners when I do it. I’ll concede now that you are not James. You aren’t 1776 unless you did in fact pull that trick where you garble posts through a double blind of Babelfish; I’ve seen that one before, but you are a troll and you don’t seem to know why.
You said you noticed a pattern in the comments made, disagreements get squished by the same few people you mentioned, but believe it or not, I don’t weigh in on every article. I weigh in on ones I have either a vested interest in or have a specific knowledge about. I also take careful notice of specific people and posters who try to throw their “weight” around and I single them out for a special kind of fun.
The secret to any argument is not to get Angry, reflect exactly what you’re given, and to take the high road whenever possible. The first person to get angry, usually loses. I have gotten angry on this site, but not specifically with you. Mirror each and every point. Don’t leave a detail unturned or uncommitted by response, unless it really isn’t worth a response. The high road is always facts, and with you it was your weakness in the actual meaning of words that hurt you the most. My best guess is that you learned your language through context, but missed the part where you have to make sure the context was accurate. Words do mean something, and turning a word here and there may make you feel strong, but it weakens your argument if you leave a simple semantic hole. Can you honestly say I let you ever catch me misusing a word, once you bothered to look it up?
I pity you. That empathy you said I lack isn’t all that lacking. You came here looking for an argument–for a reason I’m still not clear on. You thought you’d come off superior, but you have a decided weakness and that’s in your language skills. It’s what led me astray. When I sampled your mistakes and James, here you were, hitting all 6 of the rules the software I use pegs for a match. Same diction, same misuse of words, same grammatical errors, similar prose, and same prepossession of words and emphasis. Damn, what a nice false match.
We do get spammers here. We had this one guy who was impersonating someone who runs a board that exposes child molesters–his goal was to cast aspersions on that website and troll by association. He used the same name as the owner of the site that in all likelihood exposed him and/or one of his friends, and rambled nasty posts about this or that, and when Max deleted them he started pegging the site with 30 auto-posts a minute and a bunch of garbage. He’s gone now, but he tries to return every now and again.
Successful strategy is often an adaptation to demonstrated tactics. I was wrong when I conflated you with James, because I was fairly certain James was going to come back. We’ve seen his kind, and they swing back and forth in patterns–not unlike you, who just can’t stay away, can you.
So I do apologize actually. You aren’t James, and while you match James in six categories, you match your post about She-Hulk by 10. What you are is almost a stereotype. A specific type of troll who swoops in and acts just like James. You think you know what you’re talking about, but you really don’t. You don’t cite anything beyond a few small attempts, and when those attempts are thrown back, you swing around and only insult. That’s an empty way to be and you know it.
The next time you come back, come back swinging. Bring a bag full of google-fu and actually defend your position. Think more than one post deep–like I did when I trapped you so many, many times.
Get all of the names in when you need to, call me egotistical, a braggart, and anything else you need to make it alright, but for God’s sake, change up the game a little. I sucks that I was wrong and that you are not in fact James, as you said all along. It sucks even worse that your arguments were so predictable that is didn’t matter if you were James or not when I crushed each of your positions with facts and logic.
Play the argument, not the man and you might be able to beat me, but if your intention is to play the man, I think you know my number by now.
Jason, there is no possible way he could beat you, even with half your brain tied behind your back.
But half the problem is in picking your opponents. Even when I disagree with you, I say “hmmmm.. Jason is a smart, organized, clear thinker. WHY does he think something that I don’t? In other words you have built a reputation as someone to pay attention to.
This little twit Stapler came in here demanding that we all listen to him and respect his opinions. He didn’t back anything up with fact, just his own knee-jerk beliefs. And he got madder and madder that we would not give him the same respect that YOU have EARNED here. And as he got more and more pissed, he struck out with the personal attacks.
That’s when he began to melt down. And, that’s about when I started to take pity on him.
He still doesn’t get it. this is not a site for deep philosophical discussions (although he would be clearly out of his element in such an environment). This is a site where we showcase the scumballs and talk about how angry we are. It’s a place to vent about the injustices in this world and the way we SHOULD be dealing with them. We don’t want to hear a bunch of nonsense from the bleeding hearts who have allowed the system to get so broken. And so, to him, it looks like we jump on “everyone” who disagrees. He just can’t understand that only a few people disagree, and only those who are particularly stupid (like him) get attacked.
As you put it so succinctly, the bar here is about as low as it gets. Who doesn’t hate baby rapers and killers? And those who don’t? They deserve whatever they get.
Personal attacks are a sign of “melting down”? So I guess you had your meltdown awhile back huh? The number of insults and four-letter words you toss around would seem to indicate that. I have this image of your fat stubby fingers pounding away at the keyboard in your trailer thinking your are witty as merge the word “fuck” with another word.
The best part is your illogical hatred for me and anything I say. To the point that if I agree with you, that you question your own stance on the topic. The fact that I have that much influence over you shows how fluid your convictions are and how malleable your are. I’m going to take this moment to ask you not to take any jobs where you will be around children. The last thing any child needs, especially those working past obstacles as it is, is the influence of a person like you.
The one thing I will give you props for is that you pegged this site. You don’t try to pretend this is journalism. You admit that philosophy has no place here. As you said, this is a rant-board. A place for people to come and bitch about the crazies of the world. Nothing deeper than that.
Thatsmtstapler,
“The one thing I will give you props for is that you pegged this site. You don’t try to pretend this is journalism. You admit that philosophy has no place here. As you said, this is a rant-board. A place for people to come and bitch about the crazies of the world. Nothing deeper than that.”
That was your response to a post left by Mazzie in regards to her opinion concerning this site.
I’m relatively new here, but I really only have one question for you. If most of us here see this site as a place to vent and rant, and I admit, I think the majority of us do, then why would you want to attribute anything else to this ? If this site isn’t meant to be used for anything “deeper”, then why the complaints ?
I’m not going to speak for Max, and attempt to explain his reasons for creating this site, but I don’t think I would be too far off the mark in assuming that one reason is to give a voice to the victims of insanely horrendous crimes, and tell their story without editing the disturbing details. – Personally, I believe that is a very noble reason for creating any website.
But if you honestly believe that we’re all “pretentious” assholes who must conform to each others ideas and beliefs…why stick around ? If you believe that we’re all fat trailer park living morons who should not have children, then why associate with any of us for any reason…even if that reason is to call some of us “fat”.
Why not create your own website with your own rules that celebrates “dissent” the way that you see fit and call it a day ? Wouldn’t you agree that that makes much more sense than engaging in an e-pissing contest with anyone who does not share your ideas on this board ?
Thank you Maelstrom. Stapler isn’t really interested in the truth – he’s made up his mind about why I run the site the way I do, and nothing anyone can ever say will change that. I’ve told him of the many comments that victims have left under a story, thanking us for the story and everyone’s comments – They really do appreciate the support we give them – but he ignores it. It was pretty perceptive of you to pick up that, “one reason (I run this site) is to give a voice to the victims of insanely horrendous crimes, and tell their story without editing the disturbing details.” stapler likes to say that the details are there to attract the people who love blood and guts – oh well, there’s not much I can do about one idiot’s opinion, and besides, it seems to annoy the hell out of him when I deny it, which makes me happy – LoL.
BTW, This site wasn’t my creation. It was actually started by another guy back in 2007, and I took over the day to day operations for him about a year ago when he became too busy to do it himself. Admin still handles all the hardware and software issues, and I defer to him in all decisions about the site. He’s very cool though and has let me run the place as I see fit. Most of the time we come up short with ad revenue and donations to pay for our server, and the shortfall always comes out of his pocket.
Just some FYI for you.
I told Admin why I like the site, but I have to say Max, the site’s grown on me more with your speed at posts and attention to research. I’m still comforted when I google a certain man’s name and this site comes up 3 times. Very, very nice….
Maelstrom-
My comments are not directed at everyone. And that is one of the limitations of a forum like this. Short of naming each individual one-by-one, a cumulative “you” will be interpreted by some to include them. That isn’t my intention. It is a minority that I address my comments to. And their behavior isn’t limited to myself. Read through several dozen articles and specifically the “Hate Mail” comments.
You will see the same people attacking anyone that does have a non-conformist view of an article or the site itself. They will be attacked on their grammar, point of view, and even their screen names. I know you mentioned this before. I’ve had people make fun of mine in their attacks on me. Mazzi is to the point that it doesn’t matter where I post or what I say, she will respond with some ignorant remark. And my comments started on this article solely because Jason accused me of being 1776. He has a habit of accusing me of being anyone that says something contrary on the site.
I’ve got no problems with this site being a rant site. I had no idea that was all it was when I first came here. I had an expectation of more maturity when I came here. That started to fade when I saw the articles attacking the highlights in a criminal’s hair. I recognize the site for what it is now. I do have a problem with Max trying to pretend it is more than that. His getting offended over the notion that the site is Yellow Journalism is denial on his part. That is what I comment on. The site foments hatred(some of it warranted, some not) and judgments and bias all in the, per Max’s words, name of the victims. That is not a righteous endeavor.
Crimes should be looked at deeper than simply “man break law, man bad, kill bad man”. And the more horrific crimes should be encouraging discussion on ideas on how to stop this in the future and not simply creative ways for them to die. Not one of my comments on this site has ever shifted responsibility from the perpetrator. They are ultimately responsible for their actions and should pay the consequences. However, many articles have shown instances where something done different could have prevented the crime or in some cases, where the criminal might not be guilty at all. History is destined to repeat itself if we don’t learn from things like that.
Oh man, you totally pegged me with the:
“I have this image of your fat stubby fingers pounding away at the keyboard in your trailer thinking your are witty as merge the word “fuck” with another word”.
Don’t forget the fuzzy pink slippers and the hair curlers.
But guess what asshole? Even if I was fat, poor and uneducated, I would STILL be a better person than you. LOL. Feel free to argue and try to insult all you want. I know who I am, and your pitiful attempts can’t change the facts.
I say pitiful because I don’t have anything against poor people, fat people or uneducated people. So using those characteristics in your virtual mudslinging is not insulting to me, as it obviously would be to you. But I don’t expect you to understand that.
I am curious if you have you ever wondered why you are so easy to pick apart? Here’s a little advice to you. When you fight an enemy, you need to figure out their weakness. If you simply attack them using your own weaknesses, you give a smart opponent all the ammo they need to beat you soundly. Clearly being seen as a fat, trailer park, and stupid is one of your weaknesses, which is why we have seen this progressive meltdown as Jason has systematically pointed out your stupidity. So go on back to your mama’s basement and grab the Nacho-cheez Fritos on the way down there… there’s comfort in that greasy bag!
I thought we covered that I wasn’t “melting down”?
Also, I don’t like Fritos.
Jason, I’ve always believed the mark of a real man is his ability to admit when he’s wrong. But you can take a lot of comfort in the fact that this is one more thing that makes you a better person than stapler.
It’s the mark of a real man to admit it when the error first presents itself. Not weeks later after he continues on his rants about me being the same person. Not after all my personal information is made public on here. Not after you told him the IPs didn’t match. He’s not a man for FINALLY admitting what I have been saying all this time. He’s a fool for sticking to his guns on something that stupid for as long as he did.
And people like Mazzi that supported him on it are fools too.
Uh oh, there was the “f-word” in this thread again. Except this time it is being used fairly.
You still haven’t admitted your many mistakes yet, so I’ve already beaten you by a day. Doesn’t that just sting?
Go ahead, admit it, that little twinge in your soul because you know I have your number, and you just can’t figure out how I’m doing it.
Your only response is to wryly chuckle, and snap back with another “I know you are but what am I,” until you run off again for a few more hours saying “I’ll never come back,” but you do, and then come back to try, try again. It’s the same obsessive behavior that you pride yourself on in your studies and that made it possible to master Linux (I know because it’s the same thing I used).
You remember when you stopped using the arrow keys in WoW, you pride yourself on the limited use of mods and adjustments, and you like it when people come to you for answers in your classes, but here, you just keep getting cut down and you can’t figure out how it’s happening.
Stop! You can’t win any points here until you know yourself, and from the least to the most, almost everyone here can see you’re floundering.
HAHAHAHA. Now I literally did laugh at this post. You really think you know me and you are so wrong.(I’m seeing another pattern here) The best is how you alluded to knowing me better than I know myself. Just like you just KNEW I was Jason right?
And why would I admit I was wrong to something I don’t think I was wrong about? I don’t think I am wrong in any of my opinions or stances. That would really defeat the point of an opinion.
Dude, you are such a parody and a bit of a cliche. I’d love to meet you in person. I’d place money that you would be singing a whole different tune. There is no way anyone could walk around portraying your attitude in the real world and not getting the crap punched out of them. You throw around your perceived mental muscle on the internet and think that it validates your existence as a human being. How more people on here don’t see through you baffled me at first. Then I realized we are talking about people like Mazzi and Max, and then it kind of became clear.
Congrats. You are the one-eyed king over the blind.
Just like you just KNEW I was Jason right?
James actually, but you’re rattled, I can understand the mistake.
You throw around your perceived mental muscle on the internet and think that it validates your existence as a human being.
No, this is a hobby. My validation as a human being comes from works.
Dude, you are such a parody and a bit of a cliche. I’d love to meet you in person. I’d place money that you would be singing a whole different tune.
I’ll take that bet. Going to any industry cons this year?
Now I’ll be the man and admit I made a mistake and typed the wrong name. Do I get a cookie now?
So what you’re trying to tell me is because Jason acted stubbornly and didn’t immediately recognize his error, he doesn’t get to ever make amends? Jeez, your a tough one – by that logic, you’ll never get to be a real man in a lot of people’s eyes because you’ve been beating a dead horse here for weeks now and show no signs of ever having an attack of reasonability.
He knew he was wrong before admitting it today. He just didn’t want to admit it here. The proof has been there for awhile now. That isn’t being stubborn, that is simply being a douche. And that certainly isn’t the markings of a man.
He knew he was wrong before admitting it today.
I knew it after I validated it. Just a few of days ago I mentioned to Kenny that I thought I had a way of proving you were James over IM. It was taking awhile for things to finish but I found an old post you had made that had an IP that looked way out of range for Layton, Utah. It was a dud, and I ran the She-Hulk article against the same criteria of your posts.
He just didn’t want to admit it here.
Implying I “needed” to do so? Why did I “need” to do so?
This was a personal choice based on the research I did.
The proof has been there for awhile now.
Actually conceded, but it would imply I had to focus on one detail before the first one I came to. Identifying “addresses” first is far more convincing that using the same test that might have proved a false positive.
And that certainly isn’t the markings of a man.
“What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and
admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals—and yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me—nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so.”
–William Shakespeare, Hamlet
You’re a “real piece of work” Stapler.
(note: same sarcasm as implied by the quote)
What is this She-Hulk article you keep referring to?
You made two responses to a Gay Marriage thread started in response to a “She-Hulk” wedding comment, followed by a political diatribe on a city of heroes forum, on or about October 22nd 2005. (You made no reference to She-Hulk in your post, and even mentioned you hadn’t bothered to read the 217 other pages that the topic was related to).
In November of the same year you made a post about the New Avengers not being worth buying.
I ran those and a few other choice bits through some software I developed for identifying language patterns. It was the same thing that gave a false positive on you and James, but your level of diction and your misuse of words is more consistent with your recent posts than with James. You haven’t changed much in the last 4 years.
An excerpt I felt was very telling was this one:
If the subject is who you are, then it’s fairly clear, you’re the same person who wrote this almost 4 years ago, didn’t know what he was talking about then, with regards to history(1925? It was a very interesting year for
sex{From shotgun weddings to billboards that showed nipple slips},
disease{polio, flu, syphilis, gonorrhoea},
drugs{prohibition; cocaine, morphine, etc} and
rock and roll {Jazz and the Harlem Renaissance}),
social science,
and language, and had the exact same argumentative style then as you do now.
Oh it’s me all right. I just don’t remember a topic I commented on 4 years ago simply from the word “She-Hulk”. I’ve done a lot of posting since then in many forums. And on that particular board, it is quite common to skip over 200+ pages of posts to comment on the OP or one particular post that caught your eye.
And my writing style has improved since then. I was writing for site between then and now. I can see the improvements.
An just so we are clear, you are now attempting to disprove a post that I made 4 years ago on a video game forum? Is that correct? Is that the point you are at now?lol And did you really compare polio and the flu to the STDs of today? Yes polio and AIDS are SO in the same category. ::rolls eyes::
And I will officially say you have lost all credibility if you attempt to say there are not more social ills now than in the past.
And I will officially say you have lost all credibility if you attempt to say there are not more social ills now than in the past.
Oh look, Stapler says I’ve lost all credibility… for the 4th time.
Leonardo DaVinci was born to an unwed mother.
Tombstone, Arizona during the silver rush had a higher gang style murder rate than Los Angeles does today.
Syphilis almost wiped out the town of Naples in the 1490′s, and yes it was a venereal disease far more effective at killing than HIV and its associated AIDS.
Heroin addiction was so bad in 1914, that they passed one of the first Federal laws in the United States to regulate its sale–along with the sale of other Narcotics. Estimates put the percentage of the US population addicted to Heroin at 3 times the current rate.
There never has, and there never will be a “Good Old Days,” there are simply a list of days and the names of the problems of that time.
Your Grandfather was not Ozzy, your Grandma wasn’t Harriet(of TV fame, your grandparents may have been Osmund and Harriet). Your grandparents had sex and odds are high that at least one of them had sex with another partner, if not more. There’s even a chance they cheated on one another.
The Greeks(with some city states excluded) considered sex between a man and a woman to be no different than sex between a man and a man for social promiscuity. The Romans made a distinction, but said and held as a common belief that sex between men was superior–I’ve never tried sex with a man and don’t intend to, but their problems were no worse for the failing of monogamous marriage. Premarital sex wasn’t the cause of most of their ills.
Since the first camera was put into operation, there’s been pornography, and advances in camera technology were sometimes related to pornographic endeavours. The oldest works of art in human civilization may have been masturbatory aids.
Lynching was highly prevalent in the 1920′s, and this was more than the hangings, beatings and summary justice of the time, it was a collection of abuses that extended from Jim Crow to out and out slavery under share-cropping, and finally as an organized attempt to kill the men returning from the first world war, who’d gotten used to being equal to their white counterparts. We have no more and no less problems than we did “back then” and you can choose any time you want.
We have problems and they’re part of a cascading set attached to our social dynamic, and the problems we keep on our concious mind are those we feel most threatened by at this moment. We do most assuredly have progress, because we have more people working on our problems than we had before, even as we attempt to cope with the problems we already unleashed on ourselves, but again, there are no good old days and never will be.
We do in fact have some problems we inherited from that time, but this persistent myth that “moral decay” is somehow new, forgets that the same fundamental argument was made by Queen Victoria. That argument is part of a cycle started even earlier.
If you think a single thing I’ve said right here is wrong, you haven’t got the sense to open a book or google it.
I’m not arguing with you here because I feel like arguing, I’m arguing with you because you’re wrong and if you bothered to read even the most basic of history, you’d know I’m right.
You like to toss around how smart you think you are and how I’m not. Then you type something stupid like “Siding with 1776′s observations eh?”. Now my post wasn’t that long, especially the part pertaining to 1776. And nowhere is there anything that could be perceived by anyone, even with “half their brain tied behind their back”, as me siding with 1776. All I said was that he was entitled to his beliefs. I even went as far as to say how he went about his first post was wrong.
And you are full of crap saying you never got angry with me. I could see it in at least one of your posts. And while you like to think you are all about the facts, when it comes to emotion, facts aren’t always relevant. That is where you lost the last argument in that you tried to use facts to state why people shouldn’t feel a certain way. And you can’t control the way someone feels. To you it is a logic thing and they simply shouldn’t feel that way. I’m betting you lack a lot of social connections because you aren’t much of a person.
And you will need to refresh my memory…She-Hulk? And I’m glad to see that you can admit you were wrong after Max told you it was different IPs, I made all my social sites public for you all, and I told you for weeks I wasn’t anyone else. And really for this air of superiority I am accused of having, don’t you think that it would prevent me from being anyone else? I’ve got no shame over the things I’ve typed. I stand by my stances. I’m not intimidated by cyber bullies. I’ve got no reason to pretend to be anyone else.
And you are full of crap saying you never got angry with me. I could see it in at least one of your posts.
Care to cite the example?
And while you like to think you are all about the facts, when it comes to emotion, facts aren’t always relevant.
There’s that language barrier I keep talking about.
That is where you lost the last argument in that you tried to use facts to state why people shouldn’t feel a certain way.
Racists should feel irrational hatred for people of another color?
Soldiers should feel elated when they kill the enemy, even when the enemy is a 12 year-old girl?
It has to be a language barrier because you just don’t seem to understand the very basic words I’m using. Should is a Dr. Seuss level word and it implies expectation or obligation, or is used to soften the direct statement. In my argument, I dictated what should be expected from a societal standpoint.
And you can’t control the way someone feels.
I’m making you angry. You’re making me laugh. You and I both are practicing that age old art of emotional transference.
To you it is a logic thing and they simply shouldn’t feel that way.
Remarkably insightful.
I’m betting you lack a lot of social connections because you aren’t much of a person.
Again, look me up. I’m happily married, Senior in my job with people ten and twenty years older than I am, a member of a broad range of community and social groups and a highly functional member of society. I am an introvert, so dealing with people is taxing, but I live a full life, keep lifetime friends and fulfill my responsibilities. I am a workaholic, type A personality who came to this site because a friend of mine and her four lovely daughters were killed by a drunk driver. I stay here because the site is good, serves a positive purpose and I honestly believe that purpose is comparable to the modern day parable. I’ll admit, the troll I was when I was 14, so many years ago, on bulletin boards and CompuServe, likes getting your goat, but my primary interest is in the absolutely basic human compassion everyone feels at root tragedy.
I am a liberal, so I chuckled when people called you one. If this were a political message board, many of my supporters would be my detractors. Not because I’m some kind of blind supporter of one political party, but because I believe in some compassionate and progressive ideals at the same time I am extremely fiscally conservative. On this board though, there’s a pretty easy common ground–child rapists and murderers are bad. Following that basic connection, there’s actually a reasonable amount of discussion on forensic evidence, the use of social and internet resources to gather and disseminate real information and a concerted effort to bring to light details as cases unfold. There’s also, often, a consideration for the victims that exceeds the considerations for the families of the accused and convicted. Max takes great effort to research the articles before publishing them to insure that only the most black and white cases make it to the page. I rarely take anything for granted, and when I look into what’s posted, Max can tell you, I call people on mistakes, and very, very rarely find them here.
And while only one article of mine has made it here, I have this other one I still haven’t finished, because the evidence isn’t quite there, the charges may end up dropped, and I know it wouldn’t get past Max. It’s a mutual respect thing, I know you don’t get.
So get your little needles in, project your own personal weaknesses on me, but I still don’t think you’ve bothered to do the most basic of research to form your opinions and that’s what leaves them so un-pointed and unfortunately so weak.
I have to break my silence to respond to you, because you are so far from the truth that your comment demand it. Did you actually read any of 1776_Observer’s rants. Forget that, did you read the paragraph I highlighted in one of my replies to him? This guy is obviously off balanced mentally. Did you know that before I banned him, I found that he had invaded other website with the same type of comments? Of course you didn’t. In fact, in a couple of cases he actually cut and pasted comments from another site and used them on this site. When he began his tirade on the government, it became apparent to me that the thread was about to go totally out of control, and I did something I’ve done just twice before. I banned him. I banned him because he’s a mentally unbalanced person who can’t control himself. The only proof you need that I don’t ban people who post contrary opinions is the fact that YOU haven’t been banned. I’m willing to take my shots for the things I say and do because I never say or do anything I wouldn’t be proud to tell my wife and kids about. The rest of your comment is just the same old shit, and doesn’t require me to rehash things I’ve already said.
Sooooo… I guess that means we cant vote on banning the troll? Awwwww Max…. please? Pretty please? I’ll say “fuckity-fuck-fuck” if you let us vote! =(
I have to admit, that’s a tempting offer Maz. Throw in a couple of Atomic Tacos from Taco Bell and you might just have yourself a deal.
:>)
Arrrrrrgh! I haven’t had a butt burner from Tacobell in probably 15 years, lol. But I’ll grab a few for you. I wonder how the do in the mail? Probably look and taste exactly like they did three days earlier when they were mailed. But the paper is probably a bit greasier.
You guys were attacking him long before he had enough posts to put together a profile of online behavior. And of course he will have the same stance regardless of the site he is on. And a little research shows that he was replying to the SAME TOPIC. Like on truecrimereport.com. So why is his stance on the case with this girl going to vary from site to site? He put together what he believes is a relevant and well-researched argument for this girl. And he is posting on sites that he sees as attacking her unfairly. I’ve got no problem with that, even if I don’t agree with his stance.
You simply got sick of him and banned him. The reason you gave is flawed. You make it sound like he was randomly posting these comments around the web and he wasn’t. They were all related. And plenty of stories on here have gotten off-topic. Most of the time, those off-topic conversations add more entertainment value to the site. You’ve set a precedent with him now. How long until you do ban me or other, under some false pre-tense, simply because you don’t like our opinions? More and more you seem to be treating this site like your own personal blog.
He put together what he believes is a relevant and well-researched argument for this girl.
Which was placed on an internet forum, was dismantled in detail and rejected through both logic and ridicule. You can attack the ridicule, but his argument was hopelessly outmatched.
Whatever you say man. I know why I handled things the way I did and I know how I run this website. But I’m kind of glad you believe things are the way you see them, because it’s so obvious how much it gets under your skin. I can sense that you really dislike me, and that’s a real comfort, because the day a jerk like you begins to find anything in common with a guy like me is the day I hang it up forever.
I really have no feelings one way or another towards you as a person. I’m amused by the fact that you think this site is more than what it really is. Even your members recognize it for what it is. You are the one power-tripping on a glorified blog. So why you think you are in a position to cast aspersions on others is beyond me.
And I read the posts that 1776 posted on other sites and they don’t back what you said at all. We all know you did it because he got to you. And that really shows how little of a person you are.
You shouldn’t lie stapler, it just show how little a person you really are. But nothing surprises me as far as you’re concerned anymore. We’ve embarrassed you so badly you’ve become angry and desperate. I know you’re just trying to piss me off enough to ban you, and it’s not going to work. Because like I told you before your words really have no effect on me. You can’t hurt me because when you insult me and this website, because I know what you are saying isn’t true. I know what my motives were for everything I’ve done, and I know what many victims and family members have told about the way I run this website, so you feeble attempts to bring me down have no power. I couldn’t care less what you think of me or PYSIH. Why would I? You’re a pompous, arrogant phony who thinks his opinion actually means something to a total stranger.
People like Mazzi and Jason, who have shown over and over again that believe there are things in this world greater than themselves, things like caring about other people, and being a good friend, those are the people who’s opinions matters to me, because they have proved themselves worthy of my trust and affection. Maybe that’s it, maybe you’re jealous of the way we all support and care about each other. Whatever the case, you’re beginning to bore the hell out of me.
lol You and a couple of others respond with anger, not I. I’m usually of one of two mindsets when responding to you few, either laughing at your absurdity or complete bafflement over the things you type. I’ve never gotten angry when I was accused of being someone else, had my personal information plastered across the site, or when I get cussed out. Not even when I get called a psychopath. And really on that note, if I am a crazy, angry, psycho like some of you toss out in your rants, is it really wise to poke the bear? Lucky I’m not any of the things I am called on here. But wouldn’t it be ironic if one of you taunted the wrong person and ended up subject matter for a future article? In the information age, it might behoove people to use a little more discretion for their own safety.
And before that gets misconstrued, it is not a veiled threat or anything. Just something I’ve pondered on. We all know that some of the criminals, family of criminals, etc come here. Some of the people that post here are nuts. Yet some of you respond with such ire. This site wouldn’t be hard to hack. It wouldn’t be all too difficult to get info on any poster here and track them down. Not all psychos are going to be computer illiterate. Might be better to show a little more kindness. And if you don’t agree with someone, keep your mouth closed rather than going on a profanity-laden tirade. I believe in karma, and sooner or later such behavior is going to bite you in the butt.
And Max, you can delude yourself all you want about your intentions and the site. I’ve shown you proof of your lack of professionalism from your snide edits in people’s posts to your language and behavior in the comments to banning people that annoy you. Even your editorials in the articles you write. You aren’t here to report and educate. You are here to make commentary and you happen to have some followers who like to participate in the circle-jerk with you. I congratulate you on having a successful crime blog.
God, you are fucking hopeless. And your veiled threat, no matter how much you deny that it is one, is laughable, considering that this site logs IP’s and I have yours. Keep that in mind the next time you decide to give this kind of “advice”.
You want to talk about lack of professionalism – well no shit Sherlock, we’re not professionals. If I choose to have some fun by adding some silly one liner to the comment of someone who denying the truth about their friend or family member the rapist/murderer/child molester, does that take away from our intended purpose – of course it doesn’t. Everybody likes a good laugh, especially in the face of the subject matter we deal with. Or would you deny me the privilege of being myself?
Oh yes, and I’m not allowed to have an opinion either I guess. When I write a story, I try to keep my personal feelings out of it, but when I editorialized in the editor’s notes, all bets are off. I never claimed to be an replacement for an online newspaper, what I said was we run this site to show solidarity with the victims of the people we write about, and to tell their stories with all the dirty little details, so the reader understands what these victims suffered through. You don’t believe it – that’s fine – I sure don’t care. But I’ve told you of people who have contacted me to thank me for articles we’ve published, or victims who made comments saying how grateful they are that there are so many people that care about what they went through, and all of it goes right over your head – because you haven’t got an answer for that, and if you acknowledge it, you have to admit that either you’re wrong or you’re just trying to bait me into losing my temper.
Then there are the people who write in requesting I do a story on their loved one’s murder, because they like the way we handle the cases we take on. Don’t you see, that’s why your opinions mean nothing to me, because I have all the proof I need that what I’m doing is right, and what I say about this website is the truth. Why you continue with your attempts to bring me and PYSIH down is something only you know, but you’ve failed miserably, and it’s time to admit it to yourself. You’re really a horrible, vindictive person, and I’m so glad I’m nothing like you.
Max, you better re-read the rulebook for having a message board, because you have just been schooled!
How DARE you post your own thoughts on a site like this? It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat that this is not a journalistic site, you have an OBLIGATION to Staple-boy to treat it like one. After all, he is gracing us with his presence, we need to be respectful of that and change our style to match his conception of how we should be.
And, while you are at it, you really need to ban the objectionable posters like me and Jason. The rulebook clearly states that no one is allowed to poke at drama queen trolls like Stapler. K?
Thanks!
Logging the IPs is the point I was making. Someone could get access to the IPs of every poster here by gaining access to the site. And how would you having my IP help if this happened? If I cared about you knowing my location, I would have used a proxy and different name. I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I don’t care that you all know who I am or where I live. I’ve made no effort to conceal any of that.
If you are not a professional, you should not have been put off by the Yellow Journalism remark then. And really when you have to find your humor at the expense of another, you are only covering up your own short-comings.
And you say this site is all about the victims. As I’ve said before, there are more victims that the obvious. Family members of the criminals often times are as well. And I’m not referring to the crappy parents that raised the individual to be that way. However, you do not take the family members feelings into consideration at all on here. And no I’m not related to anyone written about on the site, just speaking from my observations. In fact they are ridiculed for asking that the story be taken down, or you get more evidence before taking a stance, or to not be so biased. Maybe some are in denial over the actions of their relative. Wouldn’t you be a little? If your brother or mom or someone you grew up loving all of a sudden was accused of murder, wouldn’t you have a hard time admitting it to yourself?
NavyCop even said her dad didn’t think Bourgeois was capable of committing an act like that and he wasn’t a family member. And the case against him is pretty cut and dry. A lot of the stories on here aren’t. And it is understandable where family members would want to cling to that doubt. It is understandable that they wouldn’t want their loved ones vilified by complete strangers. Now that doesn’t mean you have to ignore the story and not publish it, but you could show more compassion in your responses. I believe you even said a few days ago that you don’t care about the family of criminals. Well whether you care about them or not, they can still be victims.
So because of that and your comments, I don’t buy that your actions are purely altruistic. I expect you to continue to say otherwise, but your actions speak for themselves. You have a bit of power on a website and you are riding it for all its worth.
Oh yeah, and about that THREAT… I found that to be extremely concerning. Not only is our drama queen melting down, but we are starting to get a clear picture of exactly why he supports the criminals on this site, aren’t we?
It would never occur to a sane, rational person to suspect that a poster could get so angry and frustrated that they would actually hunt down and hurt another poster. And yet, that’s just where Staple-boy’s thoughts went, isn’t it?
Hopefully he is as full of shit about this as he is about everything else, but I will say this – he can feel free to track me down and try something. I have good security in my house (oops – I mean my trailer, lol), and enough weapons to not be concerned. AND, I have no compunction about using my weapons. Even with my fat stubby fingers, I can pull off a few nice rounds. =)
Blah, blah, blah – I guess this is your new excuse for not admitting you’re wrong. The perps family. You are a piece of work, like Jason says. Please go away, because from now on, you’ll be arguing with yourself – I don’t regret that I went back on my word and answered you ridiculous accusations, because once again I exposed you as the fraud that you are, but You are becoming predictable, boring, and not much of a challenge.
But I’m smiling – I’m a big believer in Karma. You know, the old, you reap what you sow thing. With your smug attitude, and your superiority complex, some day you’ll annoy someone who’s not nearly as perceptive as I am, someone who isn’t able to see through to how truly pathetic a human being you are. On that day, I’m imagining you getting one first class ass kicking, complete with all the trimmings.
Oh my, that feels good…hehehehe
1. Find me one comment anywhere on this site where I support the criminals. Just one is all I ask. You keep saying that I do, so it shouldn’t be hard to find one if that is the case.
2. Would it cross my mind “that a poster could get so angry and frustrated that they would actually hunt down and hurt another poster” on most other sites? Nope. Would it cross my mind on a site where sometimes the criminals, and often times their friends and family come? Yup.
While every forum as flame wars, the amount of hatred and threats being tossed around on this site is above the norm and a disaster in the making. I won’t be surprised if and win something bad does happen that is associated with this site. And it is not the site itself that would lead to it, but the behavior of a few loud-mouthed individuals.
3. Security and guns and military training weren’t enough to keep others in the articles from being hurt. I don’t know why you are so confident that you are untouchable. I think the golden rule works as the best way to protect yourself. Sadly, that doesn’t always work either. But at least the odds are better in your favor if you aren’t pissing people off. Or is it simply because you own a gun that you think you can get away being the awful person you are?
4. As for the “threat”. I’ve been accused on here many time of being a bleeding heart liberal. Now it is not in the nature of bleeding hearts to harm others. Kind of flies in the face of the term “bleeding heart”. I also am quite religious and believe very much in the after-life and consequences. That is no secret. So which one of those makes me a candidate for tracking you down exactly?
You are just looking for stuff to attempt to attack me with. You will be twisting it around and posting how I threatened to kill you, blah, blah, blah. I value human life, even yours, too much for that. I despise war because of the deaths, I have a hard time with the death penalty, and I wonder if I could take a life in self-defense. Life is fleeting and too valuable to be taken by anyone. I hate that there are times that require it.
And that is what sets me apart from many of you. You want to see these people written about die, and I’d rather see nobody die. Neither them or their victims. Some of you take death as casually as the people written about. You just haven’t acted on your thoughts.
“When” not “win”. Before someone feels the need to somehow correlate that mistake into me being a serial killer or something.
Wow, long time since I looked at this. TMS used my name in vain! Nobody thought Steve was capable of such an act, (i.e. it was unexpected) however, nobody fell for his “I’m crazy” defense. Stapler- please don’t use anything I say in any of your arguments. It will get you nowhere.
Stapler: I’m hungry, why don’t you be a good boy and get me a bowl full of lo mein?
See, we don’t have to argue. =)
Is that your way of saying you think I am Asian?
Uh, no actually that means the pregnant lady is hungry and is tired of trying to reason with you. I’ve pretty much decided it’s futile and that you really just like being argumentative.
That’s ok I guess, it takes all kinds, right? But just because you’re kind of retarded, and either believe or profess to believe some weird shit, that doesn’t mean you aren’t an ok person, right?
So yeah, any time you want to bring me some food =)
I dunno Alanna, you are awfully trusting. Something just makes me think that the drama-queen troll might be the type to spit in food. All that pent-up uncontrollable anger and all….
“You guys were attacking him long before he had enough posts to put together a profile of online behavior”
If I am not mistaken, the FIRST post from 1776 started like this:
“You are truly a fool. Your story is a totally loaded and unbalanced story in which you start outright condemning her, you finish the article condemning her.”
…. more nasty things and then…
“You don’t have much experience and apparently no much education either. GO GET AN EDUCATION AND LEARN TO RESEARCH AND ANALYZE THE FACTS IF YOU SMUGLY WANT TO BE IN THE PERSUASION BUSINESS. You are not engaged in mere free speech but in libel (written form of defamation of character and inflaming passions) and if I were her lawyer I would seek a court order for you to retract some of your claims but would also sue you for libel.”
There was one response to that.
The next post by 1776 was more of the same, on the same day. There were a few responses to that post, addressing the content of the post, not “attacking” the poster.
2 weeks later, 1776 came back with a vengeance, typing in all caps, virtually “screaming” and yet still the replies to him were about his content, and not personal. Not until after the 4th post in that timeframe did anyone say anything that could possibly be seen as a “personal attack” – when Jason told him he was “out of control”. That is a real stretch too, because while it was a personal comment, it was not an insult under any circumstance.
So, once again Stapler – you are outed. You have this idea that you know what you are talking about without doing even a modicum of research (which in this case is RIGHT HERE on the thread)! Just because you believe something is true does not make it so – which is the whole crux of your problem, which you refuse to acknowledge. And, incidentally why you are so easy to turn into the drama queen that resides right below your “superior” persona. LOL
I already said he was wrong in the way he responded in his post. Now why not simply ignore it? All you guys do is exacerbate the issue. You all get a kick out of teaming up on someone and bullying them on here. If you didn’t, you would ignore them and let them fade away. You can’t even abide by your own “I’m not gonna respond to you anymore” statements. Why? Because you guys need the last word. The funniest part, and I’ve said this before, is you few sit on this site day in and day out behaving like this. And in your minds, you are convinced you are good people. Here is tip, good people don’t behave like you guys.
And I like how you have replaced troll with drama queen now. I look forward to seeing what next week’s word will be.
I think I’ll stick with drama queen for now. It TOTALLY fits you. lol.
“Here is tip, good people don’t behave like you guys.”
Really? Ok, Mr. Superior. Let’s hear how you think good people act. But I will warn you now, there is little you can say that will not be applied to you. Seriously. But I am really curious how hypocritical you can be? I mean, I know your lack of reality is staggering, but I would like to see just how deep you will sink, and how far your blindness to your own failings can reach.
By the way, I don’t think anyone here routinely says that they are “good people”. I know I have only ever said that I am better than a very few certain individuals (you included, lol), and uaually in response to “you think you are better than ____fill in name of murdering/raping scumbag here___” type of posts . Most of the claims of “goodness” of specific posters come from other people. But that’s because most of us are not pathetic narcissists who have some sick need to be seen as superior to everyone else.
“But that’s because most of us are not pathetic narcissists who have some sick need to be seen as superior to everyone else.”
Were you able to keep a straight face as you typed that?lol
Can you believe this asshole Maz? He says WE need to have the last word.
Irony, thy name is thatsmystapler…..lmao!
*WHEW* I was worried there for a second. I thought you said irony was named “thatsmystapler”*.
OOPS. I did it again.
*Typed before your correction. Yes I caught your type-o.
I would say something Max, but I would hate to be accused of wanting the last word.
No wait! I love to have the last word! Just ask my daughter, who has been exploring her “grown-uppedness” by trying to take the last word herself. She’s getting really good at it too. I am so proud!
Something was nagging me about that last post by the drama-queen troll. It just hit me!
Here.. I’ll post it and see if any of you can guess what it is:
“The funniest part, and I’ve said this before, is you few sit on this site day in and day out behaving like this”
OK.. did you figure it out yet?
….drumroll please….
Max, Jason and I have all been here for a long. We hold the following positions on the “top commentators” list: 1st, 3rd and 4th. Stapler has been here for what? 2 weeks? 3 maybe? And he is number 8. Above even the venerable Ms. Glorybug, who predates all of us.
So, once again, this little weasel has been exposed as the hypocrite he is. ROFL! That is just too fucking funny!
Good point Maz. I’m still amazed at his ability to pretend that he still has a dog in this fight. His secret seems to be to ignore the points in the other person’s argument that he hasn’t got an answer for. You can always tell when you’ve got him, because he suddenly up and disappears in the middle of the thread. He did it again here. I don’t know where he ends up, but I imagine him cowering in his room, shaking uncontrollably, his 5-year-old used laptop lying in a smoking heap in the corner by his poster of Cheryl Tiegs.
oh. my. jesus. God.
Reading through the last two-thirds of this thread is just like spending Thankgiving Day with my family, complete with the running argument between my sister and my father that continues throughout the dinner and my crazy-assed great uncle who chased me around the table trying to cop a feel until my grandmother caught him and beat his ass.
Sorry TBS. I tried to take the high road with this asshole, but he is like a sore tooth. You know you should stop messing with it, but you just can’t help yourself. Besides, sometimes it’s just FUN to illustrate how stupid another person is, especially when they are so oblivious to their own hypocrisy.
Don’t worry, school starts again next month and I won’t have the time to sit around poking the drama-queens.
It’s okay. You, Max and Jason manage to beat them into submission. Besides, all my friends wanted to eat at my house when I was growing up. It was like a cross between attending a frat party and participating in a cage fight.
Wow. Just WOW.
Wow!! Reading all these comments from 1776 makes me want to go postal.. ahaha Well all I have to say is she had a choice and she chose wrong. I had a son when i was 18 i lost my job got kicked out of a freinds house as well as family for screwing up. Thats when i realised hmm i think its time for a change. Well I went to the cops like she did and got no help so I imediatly went to DHS and had them place him with my mother until i could get right. He is now 6 years old and is happy and very healthy. People make mistakes and its no reason to punish your child in any way shape or from. It is especially not ok to kill them Mercy, Passion my ass murder is murder no matter what label you use, these crimes to me are nothing more then a nice way of saying your screwed in the head and need to get help…And for those others not gonna mention names its called birth control methods find the best for u and use it God help us all if we have to deal with more people like them.
Nice post Babygirl! I always like to hear how people who ended up in a fucked-up situation handled it the right way. But for the grace of God (or good luck if you don’t believe), any of us could be in that same position. But fortunately almost NONE of us would make the evil decisions this girl did. Ever. No matter how bad it was. Never.
thanks Mazzi sorry took so long to say that my pc crashed n burned. Stories like these always hit too close to home and its very difficult for me to face, talk or write about. In all seriousness i hope her beautifull baby is at peace.
I actually read almost all of the entries in this thread, and I must say, you are an entertaining and intelligent bunch – and in the instances of Observer1776 and Stapler, somewhat paranoid and insane. A jolly good read! I look forward to reading more entries from each of you now that I’ve found this site. The dregs of society have always fascinated me, and this site definately has them covered. Also, aside from enjoying the posts in the forum, each of the actual articles I have read on here are top-notch. I’ve worked in journalism for years now, and the crap that passes for ‘professional writing’ now days is just disgusting. I actually went to school to improve my wrtiting and now I’m having to compete for jobs against people who can’t even form a sentence correctly! It’s great to see a site like this that holds itself to a higher standard in its writing.
“…Tiffany stated in her confession that she had second thoughts over killing her son and began CPR to revive him. When Ty began breathing again and started to regain consciousness, Tiffany changed her mind and suffocated him a second time.”
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD. WTF. THAT POOR LITTLE BOY!! WTF!?
It’s people like this that I would seriously consider contract killing for.
Great story, really, but I do think you could at least have spelled “Hemingway” correctly. Are you really THAT lazy/ignorant?!!
Update from 6/8/2010
http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/abqnewseeker-mainmenu-39/12944-breaking-toribio-indicted.html#ixzz0qHPPs1VJ