Phillip Garrido and Nancy Garrido
This story is personal. Jaycee Lee Dugard is the daughter of a high school classmate of mine. Terry (Dugard) Probyn has lived the last 18 years of her life with a void that none of us can understand unless we have experienced the same thing. I can’t even imagine what it would be like to have your child kidnapped and vanish without a trace, then have to go on living your life with no closure, no peace in your heart, no hugs from your baby, and no explanation who, what, where, why or how from anyone.
Today, there is good news and there is bad news. Fast forward 18 years to August 26, 2009. Although this story is still playing out, it is a bittersweet moment for Terry and her long lost daughter. Jaycee walked in to the Concord police station and identified herself as the child who was abducted on June 10, 1991. The good news is Terry has her daughter back.
The bad news is that she was kept chained like an animal in the backyard of a what police described as a “compound” where Phillip and Nancy Garrido kept her locked up as a sex slave. Because Phillip Garrido is a certifiable nutcase (check out his blog here), he set 
himself up to finally have this whole charade unravel, thankfully because of the diligence of a Concord (California) parole officer.
According to News10 (Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto area):
A parole agent questioning convicted sex offender Phillip Garrido, 58, helped solve the 18-year mystery of Jaycee Dugard’s kidnapping.
Garrido was on parole in Contra Costa County following his 1999 release from a Nevada prison for a rape conviction. Garrido had also served time in the federal prison at Lompoc for rape.
The idiot was at UC Berkeley trying to distribute propaganda when he was stopped by campus police officers, who say him with two small children.
According to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, a parole agent summoned Garrido into the Concord parole office after police officers at UC Berkeley spotted Garrido with two small children.
During the office visit Wednesday, Garrido was accompanied by his wife Nancy, another adult woman and two small children. The parole agent contacted the Concord Police Department to help determine the identity of the two children and the unidentified woman who accompanied Garrido.
Fucking scum. How could this happen? A registered sex offender and nobody checked in on him—ever? 18 years of torment and torture for this innocent young girl? He fathered children with her when she was 14 years old—and NOBODY knew about it? America has its own Josef Fritzl…with his dumbass wife right by his side the whole time.
CDCR officials said in a statement:
“The diligent questioning and follow up by the parolee’s agent of record led to Garrido revealing his kidnapping of the adult female. It was further revealed by Garrido that she was Jaycee Lee Dugard and that the children were his.”
I am overwhelmed by feelings of grief, hatred and joy, and if I had five minutes with this couple, it would be their last five minutes. I am not close enough to the Dugard family to have had a close relationship with Jaycee, but my heart is heavy with sadness for the loss of innocence for this beautiful child.
I want to write a lot more about this story, but for now, I will leave it to the media to provide more information. All I know is, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that these two deserve hell.
Do Phillip and Nancy Garrido Deserve Hell?
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I’ve never commented on here before, I’m a lurker as you guys call us. lol But I couldn’t pass up the chance to be the first to comment on this case. I have 3 young daughters myself and to think of what this girl went through and how many people dropped the ball over the past 18 years just kills me. That is the most tragic part, there were so many opportunities to have caught this piece of shit and no one ever checked the grounds or the back yard. Sad. No, not just sad. As a parent the joy of finding my daughter, alive if not necessarily well, after 18 years would have quickly been replaced with anger at everyone who failed her.
Actually, I was reading this story off of a link on yahoo and I do believe it said that he was checked up on several times, but the way that his backyard was, she was actually imprisoned in the area behind the fenced in part of the backyard. The people who checked assumed the backyard ended at the fence. There was a tarp covering the entrance of her living area, but it kinda looked like it was just there as opposed to it hiding something. There was negligence in part of the neighbor who knew this man was a sex offender and have seen children, but did not report because she assumed they were children of friends of the wife and said they had always been nice neighbors, that was why she did not report them,.. i thought that was baloney.
Thanks for this write up Max. I will be following this case and I think we are just begining to see what these two twisted f*cks have done on this compound of hell.
All those poor babies..my heart goes out to them and their familys
I, too, believe this is just the beginning of what we will hear this couple has been getting away with all this time. I also wonder if the authorities will probe (gently) the daughters to see if he raped them too. Sex offenders are sick people, so why would he develop morals about incest? Jaycee was probably too old for him anymore, so I bet there are more victims. I hope her and her girls will eventually be able to function normally and be happy. I can just imagine how happy her family must be to have found her alive and physically well. God be with them.
What pisses me off…and was left out of this story was teh missed chances to save her…
“The first was in 2006 when a police officer visited Garrido having been tipped off by an unnamed caller who called the man a sex-addicted “psychotic” and said children’s voices had been heard in the backyard. The officer was apparently unaware that Garrido had been convicted of rape in an earlier incident, and made no search of the property.
A second sweep of registered sex offenders in the area was also carried out in July 2008, but again Garrido’s house was visited but not searched.
The local sheriff, Warren Rupf, said: “We missed an opportunity to have intervened earlier. We are beating ourself up over this and are continuing to do so.”
He added: “I offer my apologies to the victims and accept responsibility for having missed a chance to rescue Jaycee.”
This is from the Guardian.co.uk
Her dad was suspected of killing her and it destroyed his marriage, and they were less then 200 miles from her home. What a story this is.
i thought it was so sad that her stepfather was suspect up until the day that she was found. he actually seen her get abducted and tried to follow on bike and lost her. i cannot imagine having to live with that image for the last 18 years and thinking about what else i could have done.
Imagine thinking, “if I could have only peddled faster” for 18 years and you might be close
The lesson should be if this POS had been sent to hell on the first offense he’d be passing through well done for about the 30th year!
I listened to a taped jailhouse interview with Phillip Garrido done shortly after his arrest. Although not admitting to the kidnapping, in it he says things such as:
“I tell you here’s the story of what took place at this house, and you’re going to be absolutely impressed. It’s a disgusting thing that took place from the end to the beginning. But I turned my life completely around [since the birth of his first daughter 15 years ago],” “It is a story about turning a person’s life around and having those two children, those two girls [his daughters], they slept in my arms every single night”, and “in the end you’re going to find the most powerful heart-warming story revealing that something used to be understood and that is as far as I can go.”
I’m beyond words, at this point…
That son of a bitch garrido I Iike to see him back in prison without his balls the parole board made a mistake letting him out of prison by not even knowing he was going to do it again ,that bastard took away everything Jaycee Garrard had even her own future by taking advantage of her like that them people should have known the motherfucker was gonna try it again now he’s gonna get what’s coming to him for he did to her for no reason forceful rape,kidnapping ,and sexual assault he sure as hell gonna go down for that and I think it’s the criminal justice system and parole board’s fault because they’ve made the biggest mistake !
I’m beyond words… That poor family. And what’s worse, that poor girl was forced to bear children far too soon for a man who effectively killed her innocence… I can’t imagine how torn she must be – loving children brought forth from your own body, but despising the seed of the man who abducted and routinely raped you. My heart aches for her and her family.
Do the Garridos deserve hell? Absolutely. I can NEVER understand when women are complicit in the crimes of their husbands… I’ve almost left mine over disagreements about FLIRTING with other women! If she wasn’t chained up along with Jaycee, then there’s no plausible excuse for her involvement. I say they BOTH should burn.
**sighs** Between this, the failure of the jury to sentence the Christian/Newsom murderers to death, AND the failure of the jury to sentence the West Palm Beach mom/son gang rapists to death, August has REALLY sucked for us bleeding hearts….
ABeautifulLife, I agree with you—with the horrendous crimes that have had jury’s lately saying “no” to the death penalty it’s got me wondering exactly what more someone would have to do to their fellow human beings to actually merit a death penalty sentence!
Every day, factories make bullets. Every day bullets are made by the thousands. Can a few of these thousands be spared for a day, to simply bury this man and his wife beneath tons of bullets?
I’ll hand polish every one of them afterward, and I assure you that most will still fire.
I’ll be happy to lend you a hand in this venture Jason. I really am at a loss lately trying to still maintain some hope for humanity, but in all honesty, it is vanishing right before my eyes.
This pair certainly deserves hell, and I have no words for the wife who helped this freak and hid the girl all these years and for all the “educated” mental health experts who argue that sex offenders can be rehabilitated and we have no need to fear them or violate their rights by letting the community know they are living next door-explain your theories to this girl and her family. I don’t want to take the chance on any sex offender ever hurting someone else again-one time is enough and I would gladly pay more in taxes to keep all child molesters locked up for life.
As soon as I read this story the other day, I somehow knew it’d end up on here. All I can say is I’m glad she, and her children, are finally safe.
I can’t imagine how any of the innocent parties involved will ever get over this. They will always be in hell. I hope the Garridos end up there soon. This, to me, is worse than murder.
It’s just one example after another how the ‘system’ that is meant to protect and take care of people ultimately let’s everyone down in the end. I don’t know how many stories there are on here of child services failing to do what is required of them and the end result is some poor unfortunate child dying. People need to start being held accountable for the unforgivable and life ruining mistakes that are made. Shame on the American Justice System for letting this happen! Hopefully when they lock the bastard up this time they lose the key…
Quoted from The Canadian Press:
“It also serves as an example of how he managed to somehow slip through the cracks of the system. In 1977, Garrido was sentenced to 50 years for the kidnapping conviction and life for the rape conviction, but he was granted parole in 1988 for reasons that are unclear at this point.
A retired Reno police detective assigned to the first criminal case said that Garrido indicated he preferred sex by force after confessing the crimes to him. At trial, he testified that he indulged his fantasies by masturbating in restaurants and restrooms and while reading magazines and watching movies. ”
“Garrido served 10 years in the federal prison in Leavenworth, Kansas, before being granted parole. He then served seven months for the rape conviction in a Nevada prison before being granted an early release in August 1988. Less than three years later, he allegedly kidnapped Jaycee.
It’s not clear why he did not do more time with such long prison sentences. “
i don’t know what’s worse the suspect or the bitch that just watches all happen…what is going through that womans head?? this ppl shouldnt go to jail they should be placed in the street and let the ppl “take care of them”-i know i’d love too
Ah yes, latrinos once again “enriching” society. this animal should have been put to death after being convicedt of his first offense back in the 70s.
Look asshole, I’m about 1 comment away from banning you from this website. I’m warning you, knock off the racist comments or join the other two fools like you I sent to never-never land. I’ve banned 4 people from this site in the year I’ve been running it 1 was crazy, 1 tried to harass us, and 2 were racists like you, so it takes a lot to get me to the point where I make the decision that you’re adding nothing to the discussion, good or bad. I tolerate a lot of things on this website, but racism is not one of them, whether it’s your brand or some Black guy with his head up his ass.
Go on and ban me you n****r loving cunt I have made my point here.
amf sheeple!!!
Yes, we know. Your point was the white supremacy movement is based on lies, misinformation, and made up statistics. Jason, Raven and I proved that when we destroyed the two articles you posted in another thread. Jason actually went to the FBI report that the Sheehan cited as his source and showed that none of the stats he quoted actually existed. He was a liar, you’re a liar, and everyone who thinks like you are liars too. you must not be very bright if you allow yourself to be fooled by scumbags like Sheehan. I wish more assholes like you would show up here – you made it so easy to prove how White supremacy has no basis at all in facts. It’s strictly about hating people because of the color of their skin, and nothing more.
Ian,
You’re about as significant to the human race as a gnat farting in Wisconsin.
Take your ignorant bullshit and fuck off.
Thank you, and have an excellent day.
The first point you made was that you hate people who aren’t white and think of them as less than human, even going so far as to suggest that they neither think or feel. I and others counter this point in that it’s manifestly and thus observably false.
The second point you stressed was that racial traitors are going to have a comeuppance when some sort of racial war is going to boil over into violence. I and others countered this point by urging you to go ahead and try, and find out that everyone with white skin isn’t going to be on your side, and regardless of how many weapons you think you have, the weapons in the other side will be devastating.
You folks don’t have stealth fighters, but there are Asians and Blacks who fight the YF-22. There are now more men and women serving in the Armed Forces of the United States, of color, than there has been at any other time in the history of the country. When this multi-ethnic force chooses to smear anyone of your creed from the face of this Great nation, and the tribunals really do come, try not to cry when they execute you for treason to this nation. We won’t cry when you’re gone. I think I’ll throw a party actually.
Hooray, Ian and his white wonder friends have left the planet day.
Yippee!!!
What a beautiful future to look forward too Jason. Can you imagine? Think of the shocked look on the faces of these losers when they face an army of Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics fighting shoulder to to shoulder with the vast majority of right thinking White people. A true lmao movement for sure.
ian,im a white bald headed dude who also rallied like hell for obama,take your bullshit and just dont bend over for the soap.
he a sick .u dont raped a girls and keep doing it .she was taking from a bus stop near her home .I Hope he goes to hell for what he did to her.she had to kids and no hospital .she was in so much pain.the wife grabbed her and through her in the car when she was 11 year old.they are sick idiot for what he did to that little girl and her childrens.she was lucky to get away as she could.he a rapes and always a rapes.i hope he go to hell and takes his wife with him.he cant stop doing what he do to girls .i hope the crow puts him in jail fpr life.he need it the stupid idiots.he rapes her when she was 11 and then had a child at 14 thats not right,i hope she get what she wants in life.she was a smart girl to go and tell someone.people around his places has call on him to tell them what been going on and noone showed up.the police cant do there job.im glad the girl went to the F.B.I and told then she was abanded years ago .im glad u got out of there.he all want was she to f… and the slave for sex.that not right .i hope she happy that her babys are with her .
“…following his 1999 release from a Nevada prison for a rape conviction.”
WTF?!?! If she was kidnapped in 1993 and between then and 1999 he was in prison in Nevada at some point for rape, where was she kept? Did the woman enslave her during this time until he returned???
She must have. She likely kept her husbands dirty little secret going, so he didn’t get into more hot water!
As far as I’m concerned, even if she didn’t lay a hand on Jaycee in an inappropriate way, the wife is JUST as guilty as the husband.
Whatever happened to a good old hanging in the town square?
According to the step-father’s accounts (from the beginning) there were two kidnappers in the gray car, and the one who physically grabbed Jaycee was a female.
So, yeah – assuming that the female kidnapper was the wife, she is physically just as guilty as her piece of shit husband, as well as ethically and morally guilty.
Whether she sexually assaulted Jaycee or not is irrelevant – SHE kidnapped the girl. In most cases like this, the wife is “just” an enabler who protects the pedophile after the fact. In this case she was an active participant in the actual abduction.
Fry her ass, right along side her nasty scumball husband. And, make her punishment even more painful. As a woman she should be held to a slightly higher standard. Her maternal instincts should have caused her to take pity on the child and to turn in her husband, or at least to help Jaycee escape. Her obvious continuation of the enslavement when her husband was incarcerated, and her lack of action to save the girl all add up to something almost worse than what her husband did. She could have saved Jaycee but didn’t. Fuck her!
And now this dickhead is the prime suspect in some serial murders. How absoulutely fucking brillliant.
And of course he had prior offenses.
Ok, so this is the idea…..the very first time some sick fuck like this gets nailed for abuse or molestation we either smoke his ass, or hand down a sentence of life in prison. No debate.
You can not fix these sick freaks, and personally, I want them wiped from the face of the planet. I don’t think many parents would disagree with me on this one.
I don’t think many non-parents would disagree with you either.
This isn’t just about the effect these animals have on innocent children, though that alone makes me want to do horrible things to these animals with my bare hands. In front of a paying audience. All of the profits would go to the victims to do with as they see fit. Hey, we could auction off the ‘executioner’ role to the highest bidder and add that to the pot for the victims!
No, this is about preserving Humanity. Humanity is, on a grand scale, a single organism. Even brainless organisms protect themselves and purge disease out of the basic desire for survival. This ‘man’, his wife and anyone like them are a disease of Humanity as an entity. It is illogical and against basic survival instincts to do anything but kill them immediately.
They did hand him a life sentence the first time.. a lot of good that did. Anyone caught with undeniable evidence (DNA, etc) should in my opinion have a automatic death penalty, non of this death sentence and sit on death row for 10+ years either. Receive sentence.. then out back to the firing squad. Rid this planet of the scum as fast as you can instead of wasting peoples time and money clogging up the prisons and appeal courts.
Am I the only one that is wondering how many other missing kids are in this same situation? I wonder if there are other children out there and people are totally oblivious to their torment.
No you aer not.
I do wonder as well…
In 1982 it was 154,341 missing persons per annum; by 2000 it rose to 876,213. That’s a 468% increase. 85 to 95% are juveniles.
____http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-mcstatistics.htm
“There are 549,038 registered sex offenders in the United States . At least 100,000 sexual offenders are not in compliance with registration.” That’s registered. That does not count those who have not been caught, or those who have been caught and convicted but not sentenced to registration.
____http://www.loveourchildrenusa.org/pubawareness_stopsexoffenders.php
By 2011, the figure is 739,853. The movies and pornography have succeeded.
____http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/sex-offender-map.pdf
You can do the math.
look up ‘Kidnapping of Colleen Stan’. the wife was involved in that one too and they kept her under their bed for 7 years.
the wife didn’t sexually assult her as far as I remember but treated her as a servent like having peel potaeos in a dark closet.
sick sick world we are living in.
I just found this.
http://tinyurl.com/medddw from the UK Daily Mail.
“Jaycee may also have been forced to take part in orgies in the backyard where she was held, the News of the World reports.
A neighbour said he saw men lining up in Garrido’s garden, before entering the tents ‘one by one’.
Mike Rogers, 49, told the newspaper that he once peered through the garden fence during an ‘excessively loud’ party next door.
‘What I saw was not normal,’ he said. ‘Eight to 10 men, mostly Mexican, would gather in a line in his garden drinking beer, yelling and screaming and swearing.
‘They normally had a bonfire and I saw them entering the tent one by one. On a number of occasions I saw them bobbing up and down through the window and I thought, ‘My God, there is something sexual going on in there’.”
The step-father also said “He had her longer than we did.”
I can’t imagine it with any clarity. The parts I can imagine have me needing to purge my lunch, and go fetal on the floor to sob myself to sleep.
“Jaycee may also have been forced to take part in orgies in the backyard where she was held, the News of the World reports.
A neighbour said he saw men lining up in Garrido’s garden, before entering the tents ‘one by one’.”
**stunned**
I’ve been coming on to this site for a while now, but even as jaded as I’ve become, it never ceases to amaze me what type of evil can take place in this world.
If there’s no death penalty in this case, I’m going to have to leave this place. I can’t bear the thought of living in a world where someone can do this to my child and I can’t beat him to death with my own hands.
There are pictures of her habitat at that link. Unbelievable.
I also think there should be charges against the neighbors for knowing there was something severely wrong over there and saying nothing about it. It’ wasn’t that idiots responsibility to gather evidence before calling police. All he had to do was raise a red flag. Pick up a phone, even if you have to do so repeatedly. Is there a gross negligence charge, or even an aiding and abetting charge that can be thrown at that guy?
This just kicked up this evil sh*t up a notch. anyone who would participate in this had to see she was just a young child and should have questioned why she would be there in the first place. how many guys went in there and never gave it another thought?
I know my share of people who would get into a orgie in a minuet but I do believe they wouldn’t do so if it involved rape of a young child.
I hope to god they can round up every single one of them.
truth be told if I didn’t have a child of my own i’d find a way to get myself locked in the same jail with this slim ball and do my best to rid the world of this evil myself.
I was thinking that EXACT same thing, vcbecky… Maybe I wouldn’t get invited to the next dinner party or whatever, but I’d have to have called the cops each and every time I saw that “bobbing up and down” shit he was talking about… Even if I hadn’t seen children back there (like a few of the neighbors now say they had… WTF? HELLO??), I’d have to know if my next-doorsie was running a friggin’ BROTHEL in his yard!!
All it takes for evil to prosper is for good to do nothing.
It’s unfathomable. There are so many people who failed this girl, and we keep reading about more. This story is far from over, and already we’re unable to absorb the information as reality without questioning how we can call ourselves a civilized society.
I hope the neighbors are wracked with guilt. I hope they lie awake at night for years to come, thinking of the sounds and sights they witnessed and did nothing about. I hope their last thought before they die is about this child and their total lack of action.
The neighbor could have thought that it was a hooker, crack ho, etc who they were fucking…… After all there was no mention of anyone staying after the “party”
Also with the rights that everyone seems to have coupled with the thought that some of these people might be illegals, the neighbor may have been afraid of retaliation……
What the neighbor needed to do was to do a little investigating… look for his cat in their yard…… or trim some shrubbery near to the fence… or complain about a foul oder coming from the “way back”..
Fred you do have some good points as always, but I’m missing your ‘gutter mind’ here. I feel so let down. Hehe!
However I think it would be more dangerous to investigate as a civilian. If this guy is psychotic enough to do what he did, then he’s certainly psychotic enough to kill someone who is looking for their cat in his back yard.
I would have been the neighbor to place an anonymous call to the police telling them that I think there are prostitutes and illegal immigrants partying next door. I’d have called and piled on everything I could think of (“OMG, I think I hear a sheep screaming! Quick! Someone get him some lanolin!”), just to get someone out there because I’m not comfortable living next to a backyard sex party. Sorry, even I have to draw the line somewhere. Neighborhoods are family places. Even though I don’t have kids, I wouldn’t want that in my family neighborhood so a phone call ( or 10) would have been reasonable and much safer than nothing.
I lived in a duplex built in 1876 (yes before 1900). The building was being foreclosed and the landlord had moved out. I was in the process of leaving as well and I heard noises in the vacant unit and called the police and when the cop showed up i was instructed to “mind my own business”
So if someone decided to do a date rape (bring a few friends in and get the girl trashed), legally I would have been trespassing by going into the other unit?????
I never said that the neighbor was comfortable with what was going on, but maybe someone did call the police at some point and was told to “mind their own business” Also in many cases the police will not search a place just because there is a disturbance, but rather will go to the front door and if the people are nice enough, will ask that whatever be toned down – once again never addressing the situation.
Also to make the accusations that he made he’d need some proof – proff obtained in such a manner that this evil fuck could have SUED him for privacy violation.
Getting some police to go onto private property is impossible and when one finds a willing cop, the scummier the shithead, the more they know their rights……
I am sure that this POS knew his rights and with his double fence he’d make almost any complaining neighbor look like an idiot.
As a matter of fact we had a real wack job living in the neighborhood and she lived below an apartment that had been taken over by minors, again another foreclosed building. Lots of drugs and alcohol….. but still private property…… no one “owned it”, but the kids had a key.
Anyway she called so often that the police were going to arrest HER for harassment if she called again.
Once that got out…….. even little kids had a field day all over her…
Yeah, I guess I’m still a bit naive and idealistic sometimes. I cling to the idea that people care about each other on some level, enough to blow a whistle on a terrible situation even if they have no involvement in it. I’m not being sarcastic – I know the majority of people in this world will simply put their head down and keep walking. That’s the biggest evil of humanity, in my opinion. But I still hope.
I’d probably still be the person who makes all the annoying phone calls and gets threatened. At least if I had been that person, if I lived through it without being shot, I would be able to sleep better at night now knowing that I did all I could short of going over there and rescuing her myself. (that’s a badly worded post, but I don’t care. My coffee hasn’t kicked in yet.)
Still have a conscience that is not easily overridden by conformance, compliance and all those other nasty “c” words that the system instills or beats into us!
“backyard sex party” I love that line. That’s all I have to say on this story for now
I absolutely agree with you Maelstrom. You can NOT fix this people. I know, I worked in the Mental Health field with a specialty of violence–murderers, rapists, sex offenders, etc.
I figured that as long as society was going to keep releasing these people, someone needed to try and work with them to change. I did the very best I could to try to help these people; but, 99 percent were just killing time until they could reoffend. Sexual issues are too complex, multi-layered, subtle, nefarious to really be able to fix.
The cost of someone like this reoffending is too great to the innocent victims. Completely agree that they should be permanently removed from society on the first offense.
Matthewrmt,
Your post marks my thinking exactly. No rehab for these “people”, no second chances, nothing. Just two to the back of the head and be done with it. I don’t much care if their death is considered “painless” or “easy”…makes zero difference to me. Just remove these sick fucks from society and call it a day.
And onto a seperate note….for anyone who cares, for the next few days I will be up to my ass moving and then organizing my new home into something cozy and comfortable. Busy, busy, busy…and will be off-line for a bit. But so damn excited about how my son’s room is turning out !!! It is beyond cute, and I’m just thrilled to be leaving the lame apartment scene once and for all. – For any of you apartment dwellers out there…..I’m sure you can relate.
See y’all as soon as I can. :)
Why do we give these freaks a second, third, fourth chance to go out and hurt people again and again?? When is common sense going to take over and realize that taking a chance on a sex offender never molesting anyone again is too much to risk? When are our rights, our kids rights, going to be as important as the sex offenders rights? I am sick of groups filing lawsuits alleging that revealing their names, living locations to neighbors is an infringement of their civil rights-what about the rights of the law abiding neighbors and their kids? Why not give these freaks a true life sentence or a death sentence? I cannot find any argument that will convince me that you can rehab or cure these freaks.
Straight to hell. They ruined that poor girls life.
Jason & Max, You wanna know the thing about twacked out backwards racist fuckers like Ian and his lame assed sheet wearin buttbuddies that makes me laugh the most? They think that just because you look a certain way, you are that. If I actually took the time to take my boyfriend’s picture off of here, ol’ peein’ Ian would take one look @ me and start salivating, thinking he had found a pureblooded white girl with aryan eggs. I’ve got all the physical attributes that these fucktards value. Pale skin, Blue eyes and a shitload of blonde hair. I look as caucasian as any woman who ever lived. But apparently these shit for brains trailer breeders never heard of a recessive gene. I am more than half mexican and am proud of it. So talk all you want, you rascist fuck. Not everyone who looks like you do thinks like you do, or feels like you do, and thank God for THAT, you useless twat. I may be white on the outside, but I am brown on the inside motherfucker, so DON’T TREAD ON ME!!! And don’t try to speak for anyone other than your own useless self either. Asswipe.
(Aside: As for people like Ian… Wow… I’m always amazed to see models like him still around… I mean, he’s like the Beta Max of assholes… Here I am busy trying to fill my social circle with the people of this world of good nature and character, and who DON’T SUCK, when all I have to do is base my perceptions on a shallow thing like skin color. Genius! I wonder why he isn’t some sort of millionaire with that type of prolific thinking!)
P.S.
The Garridos should both be drawn and quartered, midevil style. Period. The. End.
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And these idiot so called “Aryan” racists have never had a history class or they would realize that the Nazi Aryan criteria established by Hitler pre WWII Germany would have sent these low IQ, uneducated, genetically inferior-after all I am sure they do not have pure Prussian roots- boys straight to death like all the races these idiots think they are better than. Ironic isn’t it? I would like to know if this is the same “race war” that old Chuckie Manson was waiting for all those years ago? Seriously the only thing that scares me about these backwards, uneducated idiots is that they breed like rabbits
Amen!
How does this guy think theres a heartwarming story behind any of his actions?
I love that is blog is still open for comments and people are ripping him one new assh*le (It was open last I looked anyway….)
I hate these people’s guts
I agree that violent sex offenders should be removed from society permanently. The body of evidence is overwhelming that pedophiles, sadists and other degenerates cannot be “reformed” by any means currently available.
However the death penalty applied against sex criminals is immoral for the same reason it is immoral for other crimes — there is always a chance that innocent people will be wrongly executed.
The excuse that it would only be used for “airtight” cases is flawed. Even with the introduction of DNA evidence and other modern forensic techniques you cannot eliminate the possibility of human error. Nor are frame-ups by well-meaning or malicious law-enforcement officials a rarity. The COINTELPRO era in the 60′s saw numerous such cases perpetrated by the FBI and local police forces.
In cases such as this one where there is absolutely no doubt who perpetrated the crime, it is tempting to once again introduce the “airtight” argument. The problem is that once the precedent has been made, “airtight” becomes a relative term.
I find it ironic that whenever an atrocity occurs in Britain there are howls of outrage that the death penalty is no longer on option. Ask Timothy Evans what he thinks the death penalty is a good idea. Oh wait, he’s dead. He was hanged for the murders of serial killer John Christie (incredibly, Christie himself served as a major witness for the prosecution during the trial). The case led to the abolition of the death penalty in Britain. Other civilized nations have followed suit.
The charge that opponents of the death penalty are “bleeding hearts” more concerned with the rights of criminals than victims is a straw man argument. I could care less about if these two scumbags were hanged on a rusty meat hook and lowered into a pit of crocodiles.
Yet if we are to be consistent in our desire to protect the innocent that must extend to the potentially innocent man or woman accused of a heinous crime.
Yes, innocent men and women have been falsely imprisoned over child molestation and other hideous sex crimes, sometimes spending decades in jail. It is not as common now as it was during the era of slavery, when all it took for African Americans to be lynched was an accusation of rape by a white woman, but it still happens.
About 90% of the comments on this blog involve revenge fantasies, which is understandable. However I have no doubt that many posters sincerely desire a return to medieval torture methods as a legitimate punishment for the people featured on this website. However much these scoundrels may deserve such treatment — and don’t get me wrong, most of them do — the issue of comeuppance must not come before efficacy. The truth is that violence breeds violence. This is apparent not only in the tragic cases we so often hear about of abused children going on to commit similar acts against other children, but in society as a whole.
Elliot Leyton made a compelling argument in his book “Hunting Humans” that it is precisely America’s celebration of violence and “manly revenge” (combined with narcissistic individualism, myths about the American Dream, celebrity culture and other factors) that has caused America to produce such a high rate of serial and mass murderers. That and a relentless, 50-year class war against the middle and lower classes by both the Democratic and Republican parties, creating millions of uneducated, unskilled, angry, desperate people with no hope. Bewildered by media propaganda, they take out their rage on the weak instead of the strong.
The main impediment to actually putting an end to this cycle of ultra-violence is the mistaken belief that attempting to understand the structural factors that lead to atrocities is the same thing as excusing the behavior of people who commit atrocities. The purely individualist approach, stressing violence against people who commit violence, leads to the hydra effect: cut one head off and three grow in its place.
Unfortunately there is no band-aid solution to the epidemic of crime and murder in modern society. Massive structural changes will have to occur before things start to get better. That means real schooling instead of “rote” learning, real media analysis instead of corporate propaganda, real jobs instead of “McJobs”, real health care instead of Insurance agency “death care”, more money for social services and less for arms manufacturers, and so on and so forth.
Tragically, Americans have been taught that moves in this direction constitute “communism”, so the charade continues.
For the most part, a reasoned argument, with several holes.
You posed several hypothesis and presented them without support. To properly respond, I’ll propose my position, and respond. The above comes from a weak judgment. All justice systems are a series of compromises that seek to effect imperfect justice. Perfect justice is when no crimes are committed or guilt is self admitted and all punishment is self-inflicted and to a measure appropriate to the crime, to the satisfaction of all. Neither perfect solution is yet achievable. Imperfect justice currently runs the gambit from what we have now to no formal system where justice is merely what you can protect and gain with your own force of arms. There are imperfections in each system, so an argument for a simple immorality of even one injustice, fails to recognize the duty of a judge, and in fact any member of a court to support more justice, not less.
The mob has a voice, the mob has a place, and the internal and instantaneous request of the population has a place in civil and criminal justice. Justice is part satiation of the mob, part defense from the requests of the mob, fair representation for the accused and fair representation for the victims and finally fair representation for the community that will have to cope with the repercussions of limits artificially set on justice. If the punishment for a crime is part deterrent the greatest deterrent is a fear of death or finally an eternal punishment provided either through vilification long after death, or a spiritual afterlife of torment as developed by both Eastern and Western societies. If we set the limitations on the use of capital punishment at a statutory never, we fail to satisfy the need for a deterrent, the need for justice, the buy in of the mob (majority favor a death penalty) and a refusal to compromise that helped to establish the limited acceptance of justice that our legal system has.
The American legal system comes from a belief that all men and women have rights, granted by their creator and surrendered to government only through representation. Through a series of representation tools and methods, the justice sought by a claimant is recognized by an entity for the people to exercise the common good, not merely the good of the individual. This is in stark contrast to every legal system ever contrived by any European nation. To state that it is superior misses its many flaws, to say it is inferior is to miss its intent and its motivations. It is the will of the people, not the justice of God made manifest in the work of men as every European justice system has as its root source–this is without exception, even in case of secular assumption of the rights of man and the inference of a writ of habeas corpus from the Magna Carta. The American legal system borrows heavily from other legal systems including English common law, but the font is different, and so are many of its forms. Innocent until proven guilty is a legal fabrication that understands that most accused are in fact guilty by assumption by the mob, but that a reasonable doubt from reasonable people must be overcome to execute justice. Torture is not a method to gain confessions, but is in fact a punishment that is proscribed against in only that it cannot be from cruelty or unusual in its execution. Even here, a prison may be cruel in that it isolates an inmate from family or friends, but the degree of cruelty is a compromise with the will of the people. Some have argued that the Ten Commandments are a source for American law, but the truth is that while they are one of the footnotes, the real source of the American legal system is in our representation of the will of the people and that justice is the most “moral” action that can be requested even above one that strives for the most perfect justice in those confines. People first, then an endeavor for perfection, if one must give, perfection is the sacrifice, only when perfection must be set aside.
Innocence when properly vetted against these requirements can effect a lasting and fair judgment. While some have and will suffer improper justice, it does not mean justice should be paralyzed from executions by a fear of the failings of justice. When we fail, we must admit our failures, and try, try again. When a drug that has saved millions kills six, we do not discard the drug without careful analysis of why it has killed six or even one. In my one final concession on this point, if we’re to use death as a punishment, it should only be used so long as it shows an effect that can be proven effective.
DNA cases are not the gold standard, as has been the case since the beginning, a witness to a crime is still considered direct evidence. You later bring up Christie’s testimony against another human being as evidence of a failing of justice, and I argue it is still almost impossible to be 100% certain of the veracity of one man’s words against another, but testimony is the only direct evidence, almost everything else is circumstantial including DNA. Two or more witnesses who see a criminal perform a crime is supposed to be more damning than a single shred of circumstantial evidence. One more credible witness than the defense has is the key. Since the 60′s, and ending in the early 80′s, the American Judicial system saw an uneven transformation where the most populous states saw a strong trend towards the preeminence of personal justice. During that time, for many reasons, we saw the largest increase in crime since the Reconstruction era. In response, our conservative elements, rather than a war on the middle class by both political parties, exercised a literalistic view of justice that favors the prosecution and the pendulum has swung back, but not all the way back to 1960′s tribunalisms. These changes were possible because the will of the people was that justice was not being served, and this is a perennial belief government must answer or risk toppling. For the death penalty, we’re returned to the legal system the population will bear. If the population and its representatives CHOOSE capital punishment as a viable alternative to incarceration for crimes, at least in American justice, it fits the bill for morality by absolute definition of the root and description of that word.
You miss the point entirely. This occurred in Contra-Costa County, in California, in the United States. If this occurred in Florida or Texas, we might get to use the Death Penalty, but under current California law, the worst we can give them is around 1000 life sentences to be served consecutively. The call for their death is a metaphor used to open the debate for the instantiation of the death penalty for crimes of similar merit that occur later and as a mental catharsis for the mob to release and freely express their will in public forum. While debate can go round and round, there is no statute for executing these two under California law unless it is determined that they indeed murdered people(which looks like they did in addition to this).
We don’t fail in our consistency if we seek their execution. If they are convicted of this crime by a jury of their peers, they are guilty under the law, and those who exercise justice against them are blameless for their crimes. It’s a shift of responsibility to those who performed the investigation, prosecution and defense. There’s this gaping hole in your argument when you refuse to accept that once someone is declared guilty, while they are to be handled with some dignity, that there is a transformation in the eyes of justice to the process or exercise of the penalty phase of a trial and treatment of a prisoner. Ignorance of the treatment phase is typically the “bleeding-heart’s” most easily identifiable failing. Kill that and you can strengthen your argument, but remove that, and you have two or three paragraphs at best.
This is two different arguments and here you have the clear introduction of the second conflated with the first and by definition this is what makes your argument a strawman. You conflate due process and flawed process as somehow being a reasonable alternative to justice within human limitation, and thus supporting the paralyzation of a particular punishment. Additionally you attack the call for a particular punishment and miss that the slavery era was not the principle time of lynchings in American history, it was post civil war to civil rights movement that was the most dangerous to Blacks under summary justice. Elevations actually reached their peak post WWI, when men returned from the first world war with a different world view and military skills that threatened the establishment by their mere existence. False on historical element and containing a logical fallacy, these passages dismantled your argument more than I ever could.
Conceded, but this doesn’t support the pillorying of those who demand justice or counter their calls for it.
High Rate, compared to who? You get a short reprieve to clarify. Some other person, far less effective in argument, once came here and called America the worst in crime, which is patently false. The United Kingdom and Britain specifically are worse, as is Russia and Columbia with regard to murders. The US is fifth, and it is actually suspected that China, despite white washing their numbers is in fact far worse. Comparing relative populations is key here. The US suffers from higher gun violence numbers than many nations, but even there it is not the “worst.”
This is a third argument that fractures your attention and should be treated with a larger support before you attempt to continue. This is neither a statement that is false or observably true, and is not directly implied in this debate, but inferred from a less than clear position.
This is specifically countered in modern justice is not an attempt at perfection, but of the best possible compromise.
Is in large part false, in that crime rates have actually dropped over the last 36 years without massive structural changes. In fact the changes haven’t been structural but procedural. This is if the justice system is the basis of the change. Your economic model theory seems to be your thrust, but arguing socialism, communism and capitalism adds a fourth argument.
7 new items without support. Some of these I’d agree with, if they didn’t by their shoddy display show a loss of focus. You started out that the death penalty is wrong because we can’t be sure we got the right man. That’s been disproved. If you want to address these, move through them carefully.
Churchill, Ike, McCarthy, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and even Noam Chomsky have done a disservice to communism. It’s true it is merely a word and a tool in a larger toolbox of politics, but Americans use it, even if they have to give it a “Freedom Fries” name to stomach it. Your argument started off strong, went off course into personal politics and makes everything you said about par for the course for American discourse, and thus just as flawed as anything I’ve heard from Democrats in effectively combating Republicans, who usually have no arguments merely a vultures eye for weak arguments. Laser focus on the actual topic would have helped significantly.
I live in South Lake Tahoe and this is a relief to so many residents here. There is pink color flying everywhere. We always kept up hope and being alive no matter what is better than the alternative. This is cause for so much hope for families that have lost children as well as adults (the adults being not the most sought after when they become missing which in itself is a tragedy) who now, can keep that eternal flame held higher and brighter. We have had tragedy here in Lake Tahoe when we lost Crystal Steadman in march of 1999 by the father and son team of the Sorias. The former being deseased by his own hand before he could be brought to justice and the latter who was himself abused, forever in jail. We are a community that is close knit and small. We see every little tragedy so when it happens here it is on a grand scale as well as the joy. What joy this has given all of us. May Jaycee enjoy her freedom and her new world that at the very least she is alive to discover and from a community that missed her may her life bring her an abundance of joy.
This is one of those cases where the booking photos say 1000 words. Phillip looks like a psycho, but his frigging bitch wife just looks bored and mildly annoyed, like, “Can we just get this whole picture thing over with…I just don’t understand what the big deal is…You’re making a big mistake and I’ll have your job…”
He may be the prime perpetrator for raping this poor girl (now woman) and fathering two children with her, but I think his wife may be even more evil for enabling and aiding this nutcase whom she KNEW was a rapist. He may possibly have the excuse of mental illness (a dubious excuse, but at least an excuse), but it seems to me the only excuse she can possibly have is simply being an arrogant, self-indulgent cunt.
I don’t think that you can argue that serial killers and mass murders are due to Republicans, the death penalty or any the American school system or government. Statistically due to the population of the US there would be more serial killers than smaller countries. However, we also have Michael Ryan, Peter Sutcliff, Jack the Ripper, Harold Shipman, John George Hargh and the “lovely” West couple from England, Mercel Petiot from France, Karla Homloka and spouse from Canada, Fritz Haarman from Germany and that is without doing research into serial killers/mass/spree murderers around the world. These individuals come from all education levels, backgrounds, countries, races and what they have in common is a lack of empathy for others.
I don’t understand why this guy brought the kidnap victim and two children to his meeting with his probation officer? Was it stupidity? Cockiness?
I understand the whole Stockholm Syndrome thing, but I also wonder why Jaycee didn’t tell the parole officer immediately who she was.
I also wonder WHY this POS got so little jail time for his previous charge of kidnapping and rape! Shit, people get more jail time for selling drugs or cheating on their taxes! He should NEVER have been let out on parole so soon!
His probation officer was alerted by Campus security that this registered sex offender was in the company of 2 young girls. I’m betting but not sure that the officer said, bring your daughters in so I can get some documentation on this event.
On the second item, this crazy guy had probably partially convinced her that he was a messenger from God. A little TV and a lot of fiction books (including a lot of Dean Koontz) are all she’s had to figure out the way the world works.
That’s not a lot to go on.
On the last item…. Wow… I don’t know and that makes me feel extremely angry as well.
This points to the fact I have been saying for many years now, while America’s justice system is one of the best in the world, it has become so bloated and broken it seems beyond repair at this point. We now have federal mandated sentences for non-violent offenses, such as drugs. Now some have said that this is because of the private sector taking over the housing of these inmates. I’m not even going to further a guess. I may not be able to know why something is broken but i can damn sure see that it is.
A good chunk of the blame lies on those who assumed his yard ended at a certain point……… One of my friends had a pool that was in the rear yard inside a fenced in area…. the rear yard was actually part of a lot that was on a “paper street” one that was on the books, but never made. So was the family allowed to use the land, was it deeded or were they trespassing on city land?????
Anyway my point is to that – NEVER assume, POS like this get away with a lot because they know that people will assume. I have an old house witha a few “hollow areas” – what could I hide in there – a thin body for starters! Measure… measure… measure and check the numbers… if something does not add up QUESTION It!
From what I have been reading, it sounds like his daughters were let out into the world and it looks like Jaycee was as well. BUT that still does not mean that they were not prisoners. She had access to a computer, BUT did he log key strokes, web sites that she visited or have a “net nanny” program which kept her ignorant?
Did she think that her family was dead andthis was it???
Way to much going on in there…………
And Phillip – he promises us a “heart warming story of transformation”… hmmmm from a serial rapist to a serial killer to someone that let one of his victims live as his zombie robot while creating new sex slaves for him????
This POS is so evil, that his keeping captives alive as slaves is a “heart warming transformation”. Good is a relative term….. If I murder 6 people, am I 1,000,000 “gooder” than Adolph Hitler? I hope not, but mathematically I am.
Part of me wants to see what he has to say, the part of me that wants to see what is happening after a loud crash on my street, but another part of me does not want to give such an evil fuck an audience, less he pollute my mind with his warped views.
Looked at the blog
what an egotistical nut job!
These girls / women are going to need some serious therapy….
Phillip and Nancy need some serious bullets, less they scramble the gaurds’ minds as well.
this whole scenario is just screwed up. first, you’ve got a nutcase pedo who (IMO) should have NEVER been released from prison, then you got his jackass WIFE who assists him in hunting for children to have sex with, and then you’ve got the local police who recieved phone calls from concerned neighbors back in like 2001, and they never did anything.
I am sooooo glad the Jaycee is home and her daughters will be able to see what a REAL family looks like.
as far as im concerned…mr. and mrs. garrido should be shot in the kneecaps and left to bleed to death.
When I read about this in the paper, I felt really pissed. Now I’m just… really sad. The world’s so fucked up.
If someone is released on parole for a serious offence like rape or violence why don’t the police check up on them every six months ? Do a 2-hour search of their house and business and interview them to get a feel for what they’re up to.
If they don’t like something investigate further and send them back to jail.
I like so totally agree, but we have the ACLU to contend with.
Also with sex offenders, we MUST distinguish between the high school senior who is dating a freshman, the drunk who took a leak on the side of the road and pervs like this.
The more I readf about this guy, the more I hate him & his friends. Gang raping a minor or ANYONE for that fact…. and I also read where neighbors did call police, but this guy had his rights…..
I’d like to see the ACLU offices on floors 87-101 on the Empire State Building for starters….. I’d bet we’d all be given hospital johnys to wear on the plane when we fly!
What a horrible family…Wife watches your abducted sex slave while you do a stint in the local can. Sick
Does anyone else check this site 10 times a day looking for a new article? Or am I the only nutjob?
No, I do too!
Nope, count me in with you and Fred as another checking nutjob! ;)
I used to, but now I just check when I am bored. My therapist told me to stop coming on here all the time, I guess it raised my blood pressure :D
I was windering what happened to you, I’ve missed you here.
Also my ISP has been changing my IP address at home, so I keep getting cut off…… I am going to have to get something that will send me my new IP address when it changes…….
Awwww, Freddy missed me :) I have to use PYSIH sparingly now or I’ll have a coronary at 23. hehehe
I can think of some other ways to have a coronary ;-)!
See my comment under lust…
*smacks Fred* You always make me chuckle :) Such a warped mind you have
just call me “nutty”…lol
And I find myself checking CNN, FOX news-all the news sites about 10 times a day to see if the police have found any murder victims on his property-there were indications he could be tied to other kids abducted at the 10-14 range in the area that have never been found plus suspected in the murder of a 15 year old that was found and several prostitutes that were murdered..for a similar incredibly bizarre story of a wife that aided and abetted her spouse in the murder and torture of young girls look up the Rosemary and Fred West murders in England-another story of incredible evil
Thought I’d put these up here, for those following the case developments. The first vid goes into much more detail about Phillip and Nancy Garrido, such as more pictures of them and inside the compound, an interview with a former business associate, and the fact that he and his wife originally met…when he was in prison in Levinworth serving that term for kidnapping and rape in the ’70s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tx8YtJOnxM
Also, another vid done earlier today showing an interview with his first victim of rape and kidnapping in the 70′s. Apparently, after he was released from that prison sentence he showed up at the victim’s workplace talking to her in a threatening manner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ettL5d-yiz0&feature=channel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnapped_girl_garrido_s_wife
I didn’t know whether to vomit or rage. The evil Nancy is distraught at losing contact with the two children. Perhaps, the psycho bitch should have considered this when she snatched an 11 year old girl from her home and family. Karma’s a bitch and hopefully, it is just getting started!!
“Nancy Garrido’s lawyer told CBS’s “The Early Show” on Wednesday that his client says she loves the girls.” “…she saw them all as family.”
WTH?? Saw them as FAMILY?? Leaving them locked inside a “tent city” in the backyard to live in almost primitive conditions for almost 2 decades while one of them (their mother) was chained so she couldn’t escape??
How in the fuck does anyone remotely see this as LOVE?? Does she ever think about what kidnapping an 11 yo girl from her own family did to that girl and that family who loved each other??
This is one of those times that I really wish Turtle would show up and post one of his “special” brands of “justice” here for these two…I’m hoping Nancy Garrido doesn’t try to plead out on some kind of I-loved-him-and-feared-him-so-I-had-to-assist-him (I’M a victim, TOO!) defense, and gets little-to-no punishment because of it. She’s just as guilty as he is, if not moreso, IMO.
According to the Step Dad who witnessed the kidnapping, it was a WOMAN who grabbed Jaycee and threw her in the car. The same woman who kept Jaycee chained up in the backyard while rapist husband served time.
This POS woman has no defense to put up. Oh, she’ll try; but, I can’t believe, with the few facts we already know, that any jury would believe her.
May they both rot in hell!
I agree with mostly all the above, (save Ian – who’s too ignorant to really ‘hear’ anything we say to him anyway)…but I would like to correct a few misconceptions about the neighbors. A couple who lived next door DID report suspicions of children living in tents in the backyard. An officer responded but did not do a thorough check of the backyard as the way it was set up, it appeared to end before the encampment area(s).
Now THAT would REALLY piss me off. To call the police & then have nothing done about it! I’m still wondering why they didn’t repeatedly call as someone mentioned before.
repeatedly calling the cops can result in the CALLER being arrested and charged….. happened a few doors down from me…..
Also when I was living in a duplex built in 1876, I called the cops about someone being in the other unit which was vacant, I was told by the fat slob to “mind my own business”…. um if they are in 1 Cherry Street, what’s to stop hem from getting into 3 Cherry Street??? If 1 Cherry Street caught fire……. Will the fire respect the fact that I was living at another address???
And if the neighbor did more…. who’d be in trouble?
How many other Jaycee’s are out there????
Will the government use Jaycee as an excuse to reduce the rights of all because it would be discriminatory to target known pediophiles…
I found this background on the woman he raped in 1976. It’s absolutely crazy. http://www.sacbee.com/ourregion/story/2154480.html I would suggest bookmarking this site – they seem to be doing a lot of digging.
But we also have to remember that back then, laws were very different. Even stranger-rape was not seen as a huge big deal, unless there was additional violence with it. As this story says, the general thought was that if the man said it was consensual, the woman was looked at skeptically. In this case, had the cop not actually SEEN her there, the case would probably never have been brought at all. Back then, there was no such thing as “date rape” and the idea of spouse rape would have been seen as ridiculous.
That he got 50 years is rather amazing. That he served 11 is not out of the realm for those times.
Hopefully, if he did the same thing today, he would be locked up a hell of a lot longer.
Actually some of the neighbors DID call the police – the police came, talked to him and left.
Given his past as s sex offender, this POS deserves LESS privacy than the avaerage citozen. Actually if he was in jail where he belonged none of this could have happened.
Whatever happened to his “heart-warming story of transformation”???
I agree, that an additional loss that is being overlooked is that the step-dad, who tried to save her, was a suspect. The doubt and stress from this ruined their marriage. So much lost that can never be recovered. Fortunately, Jaycee is alive and has a future, albeit tainted unless she changes her name.
I’m not sure who deserves the hotter place in hell, Phillip or Nancy…perhaps they can rotate like a rotissiere or on a sphere like a shish-ka-bob!
I’ve heard on some news stations, that the step-dad and Jaycee’s mother have gotten closer since Jaycee’s return. It’d be nice to see them rekindle what they used to have, before their lives turned into hell.
I was so shocked when I saw this story breaking on television. I felt happiness at the fact that Jaycee was alive, but my heart ached for the horrors she was forced to endure. I can’t even begin to imagine what she and her daughters have endured at the hands of this couple all these years. I hope that Jaycee and her daughters can go on to have some happiness, that was robbed of them, in their lives. Phillip and Nancy Garrido deserve no mercy and they deserve to suffer daily for the 18 years that they forced Jaycee to live in hell!
Who voted NO they dont deserve hell? what idiots. Its people like you that keep societys morals set to such a high standard.
Hi Jason,
I made this comment over a month ago, just returning now.
You write:
“justice systems are a series of compromises that seek to effect imperfect justice.”
The fact that you label your “justice system” “imperfect” proves my point. Better that scum bags rot in jail than innocent men and women be killed for crimes they didn’t commit. End of story.
“The American legal system comes from a belief that all men and women have rights, granted by their creator and surrendered to government only through representation.”
Rights aren’t granted through the “creator”. They are granted through social institutions. If rights were granted by the “creator” then no one would have been executed (and hearts ripped out) in ancient societies. Duh.
“Torture is not a method to gain confessions, but is in fact a punishment that is proscribed against in only that it cannot be from cruelty or unusual in its execution.”
No. You’re totally wrong. In fact, the only reason for torture is to gain confessions and spread terror. Every single expert on the subject insists that torture doesn’t produce reliable intelligence. What torture DOES manufacture is terror and confessions. It worked under Stalin and it works under the laughable “war on terror”.
“Even here, a prison may be cruel in that it isolates an inmate from family or friend”
Indeed, Amnesty International has described the conditions in US prisons as amounting to “torture”. George Washington universally condemned torture and described the practice as worthy of “death”.
“You later bring up Christie’s testimony against another human being as evidence of a failing of justice, and I argue it is still almost impossible to be 100% certain of the veracity of one man’s words against another, but testimony is the only direct evidence, almost everything else is circumstantial including DNA.”
Are you incapable of reading? It is universally acknowledged that Christie lied under. In fact, Christie himself has admitted to as much. An innocent man was hanged. What are you blabbing about?
“High Rate, compared to who? The US is fifth, and it is actually suspected that China, despite white washing their numbers is in fact far worse.”
LOL. If you’re comfortable being “fifth” for mass murder, I sincerely feel sorry for you.
“Your argument started off strong, went off course into personal politic”
Unfortunately, almost everything is political. Why do you think the Iroquois had no prisons and no poor people? Think, grasshopper.
Leolo,
I responded to you within a few hours of your first post.
No, it’s my statement of intent. There are no perfect chemical reactions, no perfect mechanical motions, no perfect quantum actions and no perfect derivation of the same. We strive for perfection but are imperfect material. Perfection is a goal, not a requirement for action. To require perfection as a litmus is a fallacy. To set the bar for good enough too low is also a failing (this is called a concession). I argue that you are seeking perfection from the system, and are creating a logical straw man around that unreasonable bar. Your statement continues that pattern.
By this statement, you’re attempting to refute Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and all of the writers they cited when they helped found the United States in a little document called the Declaration of Independence. The natural rights of man as an extension of the freedom of birth and the enslavement of man is an old idea, an old philosophy and the gold standard for American Civics. Please do a little research before you come back to this one. The argument is that a naked man, born into the wild has the right to live or die on what he can do with his own capabilities. Basic philosophy courses teach this.
Wow,
I’m legitimately impressed at the timeliness of you response. Let’s break it down:
“No, it’s my statement of intent. There are no perfect chemical reactions, no perfect mechanical motions, no perfect quantum actions and no perfect derivation of the same.”
Your acknowledged fallacies are all the more reason to do away with the death penalty. You make this too easy.
“By this statement, you’re attempting to refute Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and all of the writers they cited when they helped found the United States in a little document called the Declaration of Independence. The natural rights of man as an extension of the freedom of birth and the enslavement of man is an old idea, an old philosophy and the gold standard for American Civics.”
I like Jefferson. Franklin too. Not a fan of James Madison and Alex Hamilton. The Constitution of the United States was designed to check the democratic tendencies of the time period. This is acknowledged by both “liberal” and “conservative” historians. Shay’s rebellion sparked the “need” for a strong, centralized government.
At the time of the convention, disparities in wealth were increasing rapidly. In 1687 Boston, 1% of the population owned about 25% of the wealth. By 1770, the top 1% owned 44% of the wealth. During the same time period, people who owned no property comprised 14% in 1687 and 29% in 1770.
Opponents of the new government were called “anti-Federalists”, though the term is inaccurate. The majority actually favored some form of federation but insisted on more localized control with a more participatory democratic system.
Looking back hundreds of years later, their predictions are chillingly prescient:
“The natural Course of Power is to make the many Slaves to the few”, one anti-Federalist wrote. Another objected to the new government because “the bulk of the people can have nothing to say to it. The government is not a government of the people.” The “men of Fortune” would not feel for the “Common People.” An “aristocratical tyranny” would arise, in which “the great will struggle for power, honor and wealth, the poor become a prey to avarice, insolence, and oppression.” “In short, my fellow citizens, it can be said to be nothing less than a hasty stride to Universal Empire.”
Anyway, your argument is that “rights” are granted by “God”. This is patently absurd. I believe in God, but I don’t believe in magical “rights”. People create institutions to TRY to do the right thing. Clearly, torture and the death penalty are backwards savage Genghis Khan-type stuff.
“No, you’re wrong. The initial invention of torture dating from its earliest times was for the punishment of criminals and political dissidents. It was declared unconstitutional but the constitutional convention which helped to lay the groundwork for what would be the Bill of rights. You seem to be confused with the religious history of the “Question” as it pertained to the Spanish inquisition. The argument for the question stated that God would deliver an honest man and not allow him to lie under the duress of the question. A fabrication established to cover that the Question was used to force confession, thus conviction of those accused of heresy and other crimes, in order to seize their assets for the church and/or the crown. It was a political tool that was successful in its own right. I actually agree with the proof you provide but not that it in any way refutes my position.”
I’m confused. Are you arguing in support of torture? I don’t get it. Read this, then get back to me:
http://www.counterpunch.org/linebaugh11272004.html
I insist that you read the entire thing. If you’re too lazy, that’s fine, but don’t make any more arguments about the awesomeness of torture before reading the piece by Linebaugh.
“I don’t like abortion. I think it’s the stupidest and most wasteful form of birth control known to man, but in some situations it is the last and only option.”
Glad to see you’re capable of thinking in “grey areas”.
Re: Christie
Have you seen 10 Rillington Place? Seriously, check it out. The fim. Docu-drama about Chrstie and the innocent man who was executed for his crimes. It will rock your world.
“Behind the UK, you saw that right? The UK abolished the Death Penalty and does worse than the US on Mass murder?”
The UK is a failed state, as is the US. Thatcher, Blair, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, these are the true villains. If you had any sense you would be railing against these degenerates, not the logical outcome of their policies. I’m British by heritage. Thatcher and Blair have destroyed my beloved Britain. They have turned a great nation into a farce. They destroyed the unions and the concept of mutual aid. What’s left is a war of man against man. The same can be said of the US. Again, if you’re happy being “fifth” on the list of mass murder, there’s something seriously wrong with you. Why not move to Rwanda?
“Why do I think a communal tribe that had banishment, the death penalty, honor killings, and no formalized legal code didn’t have prisons? Let me consider this for a moment…. Because they had a death penalty, honor killings, banishment, and no formal legal code.”
The US has the largest per capita prison population on the planet. Are you proud of this? The Iroquois had a system of direct democracy. In stark contrast to European forms of governance, the Iroquois people had the ability to immediately remove corrupt leaders. Women played a significant role in decision-making. Everyone was permitted to participate in debate and policy formulation.
Cadwallader Colden, who was regarded as ‘‘the best-informed man in the New World on the affairs of the British-American colonies’’, remarked almost incredulously that ‘‘The Iroquois never execute their Resolutions by Compulsion or Force Upon any of their People’’ and that ‘‘The Five Nations have such absolute Notions of Liberty that they allow no Kind of Superiority of one over another, and banish all Servitude from their Territories’’.
Now, you tell me, do you prefer lockdown America to the Iroquois? It ain’t pretty, it’s a savage, disgusting system of continual abuse and torture. I don’t like it. And you shouldn’t either.
These degenerate scum bags on PYSIH, these are the logical outcome of insane policy.
Leolo,
I can read your post before approval, but cannot approve of the post. It may actually be approved while I’m typing. Posts which contain links in them are quarantined to help reduce the flow of spam.
The timeliness of my post first and this second time, were in response to your point, made at the expense of the lack of timeliness of your own post. You shot out words, then took several weeks to come back and review the limited response.
As I said in my original response, you have some strong points, but you lacked focus on a particular argument and failed to support your argument to a logical conclusion. That’s a sign of or an utter lack of knowledge about functional, reasoned debate techniques. You attacked the death penalty on one point, and I have consistently refuted you on that point, on a case that perfection is impossible. You say you “easily” refute this, but you never do. You never provide any point. Any response. There’s no argument then. Either concede it as fact, provide a cogent argument or stop acting like you know how to argue and ask for directions on how to do it.
To the “creator” comment, you imply is merely a reference to “God,” I made a very clear reference to the Declaration of Independence. A document that restates the rights of man that pays gentle homage to the Magna Carta. I do not imply that these come from God, but stress as the language in the Declaration provided, that creation is manifest. You were not here before your mother birthed you. You were born with rights and those rights were limited to the framework you were born into. You had no knowledge of the laws of man within the womb of your mother, nor had you knowledge of these limitations as you were born. Slavery is a function of government. Slavery is a surrender of rights to other men for protection from either the men who would make you a slave or other men who would make you slaves.
I read the very long, very unfocused article by Peter Linebaugh. He and I do not agree on the intent of Marx, the interpretation of Latin(which I can read, and by that his translation of the Magna Carta), but we do agree that the British history of torture falls within the bounds of terrorism and that Abu Ghiraib and the actions of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales were wrong and woefully unconstitutional and even against English common law which does play a part in American civil justice. His writings look like he is attempting to emulate or even plagiarize Noam Chomsky, and in form, his comments are as inflammatory as Ann Coulter. I am a social liberal, fiscal conservative, Leibniz optimist, and Pragmatic Computer Scientist who focuses more on logic and rational ideas than the irrational that you continue to spout.
Grab one idea and defend it. I think it is perfectly logical to believe in a death penalty until something better comes along. No death penalty and no jails, is not reasonable, not pragmatic, and not a workable solution at this time.
Live in the real world, play on your own time.
Hi Jason,
Well, allow me to say that it’s refreshing to argue with an intelligent, knowledgeable person for a change. That’s the only flattery you’re gonna get.
You claim that I “attacked the death penalty on one point, and I have consistently refuted you on that point”.
I’m not sure which “point” you’re taking about.
I mentioned 10 Rillington place and John Christie. What more do you need? Seriously. I value human life over vengeance. I like vengeance, but I like human life even more. I stated in my original post that I wouldn’t mind seeing the perps who kidnapped that poor woman hanged from a rusty meet hook and lowered into a pit of crocs. That’s pretty harsh. I’m not a softy. I just value human life.
Ever heard or COINTELPRO? Google it. You keep referring to Noam Chomsky. Since we’re on the subject, Noam wrote an excellent article on the FBI’s war against blacks, peace protesters and other “dissidents” during the 50’s – 70’s. Read it here:
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/chomsky.htm
Now, a man named Geronimo Pratt was framed by the FBI for a murder in the good ol US of A. He was framed, and spent decades in prison. Thankfully, he wasn’t killed via death penalty, but that was just dumb luck. I question the judgment of anyone who grants the state the right to kill. I mean, over a hundred million people were killed by state institutions in the 20th C alone. States are violent, coercive institutions. They are not to be trusted. Lawyers, cops, same thing.
Have you ever stopped and considered the idea that your legal system, like your health care system, is completely backward? You claim to be “civilized”, but your legal institutions resemble the Taliban. Stop, for a second, and consider the idea that America has not achieved the best of the best in every aspect of human behavior. Why is it that Europe has abolished the death penalty and granted universal health care? Are they insane? No. It’s experience. It’s logic.
You talk about God. Like I said, I believe in God. I believe in a higher power. But I don’t believe in the divine power of the state. I feel the evidence is overwhelmingly in my favor in this regard.
You criticized Peter Linebaugh. Granted, his delivery is nebulous, but I sincerely doubt you didn’t learn something from that article. Linebaugh is a highly respected scholar of the Slave Trade and American history.
I’m very happy to hear that you condemn torture. Because I didn’t infer that from your first post. Torture is the most horrible thing in the world. We hate torture. That’s why we’re here. It lowers man to the state of beasts. Less than beasts, because we know what we’re doing. I don’t blame a cat for playing with mice, but I blame a man who tortures someone under his care.
Finally, you criticized me for attempting to put these events in a broader context. You feel that in my doing so I am wandering away from the subject matter. Quite the opposite. Every single event occurs in context. The Iroquois had no prisons. That’s a fact. The Iroquois also engaged in torture. That’s also a fact. What is the answer?
I think violence begets violence. That’s pretty well demonstrated. I think socio-economic factors produce monsters. That’s pretty well demonstrated as well. I think the desire for vengeance is natural, I have the same feelings. But I also realize that doing away with monsters requires more than emotion. There is no such thing as an evil gene. Human beings have the capacity for incredible evil. We also have the capacity for logical thought. When Columbus encountered the Arawak people, he was astonished to learn that they had little or no concept of property, hierarchy and violence. So he made them slaves.
There is a Columbus and Arawak in all of us. Institutions should promote positive behavior.
I don’t need compliments to move forward, but thank you.
If you could find a single English sentence or phrase that supports that position, I’d be obliged. You do not concede anything, you don’t address the specific statement you are refuting, nor do you provide any sort of logic or proof in counter. In a formal debate, with judges, you’d be penalized and my point would be sustained. In an informal debate, it makes you a liar. I think it’s because you don’t know how to a debate or have never been confronted with a formal debate. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt so you can collect your thoughts.
My position is:
Justice systems are imperfect because they are composed of imperfect sub-components. While every effort should be made for a more perfect system, and imperfections, when revealed should be given their full face value and not merely discounted and set aside, that the overarching protection for the Death Penalty in the American judicial system is that it is partially a buy in from the mob and partially an artifact because we have no other solution to replace it.
End position.
And I countered with facts that show that the United States does not have more murder because of a death penalty and in fact may have less because of it. I stressed that any Western judicial system that uses evidential law would still consider Christie’s perjury to be the most valid form of evidence under the sun. His word was given value because a jury believed him over the accused. Do you concede that Direct Evidence is given a better place than Cirumstantial evidence in most Western and Eastern legal systems? How about just those partially derived from the Magna Carta? Just in the English system? Make a concession (even to say, no concession) and address my facts if you want to make a point.
That’s great, now make it work without advocating more anarchy. Your argument assumes perfection is easily attainable. It comes from an irrational position because it ignores the problems the Death Penalty is attempting to address. I gave those problems to you. Their address is part of what you now have to prove to defend your case.
But you attacked a judicial system, and specifically a practice, and I’m attacking that as unfounded and unsupported.
I talk about the creator reference in the Declaration of Independence. That doesn’t have to be about God. Your mother and father are your creators as well. If you are an atheist, you are still endowed with rights by your creator. If you are a Creationist, you do believe your Creator is God, but it’s not a necessity to deal with this subject. It’s a place to consider some broader topic, but it’s not necessary to argue this point. In a court room, I and the judge would be asking you to get to the damn point.
Can I get some sort of link to one of the points I countered?
First, I countered that the Death penalty has a place. I even stressed the similarity with my belief on the limited scope of abortion. This is logic and argument 101 stuff. I presented a point and now you’re talking about something else random and unconnected. The death penalty is in fact a tool of the courts to exercise the will of the people and the more nebulous will of the court to protect the people from dangerous criminals. I like life too, but the issue comes down to a system of rights. We all get rights from our creator, we surrender some of those rights to the State so we can live in that state with other people, we surrender our right to live as free men when we kill someone, the State has to have a process to remove rights. That system, however imperfect, is the justice system. The people of the United States, voluntarily surrender the right to live if they kill, to the justice system we’ve formed. The majority, support this position.
You are not a citizen of the US, am I correct? You have the right to question it, attack verbally or even seek to sway others to your opinion, but you don’t have the right to change the laws directly as our elected officials do. You don’t have the right to vote for our representatives and change that system. The best you can do is make a good argument. Noam Chomsky, Ann Coulter, this fellow Linebaugh, and now you, don’t make good arguments. You fail to come down to the level of those you argue against and consider their opinions, concede what we have common ground on, and then refute the position from the others’ positions. Without this formalized dance, it is impossible to get from shouting match to reasonable and reasoned argument. I earned my beliefs through careful consideration, just as you claim you earned yours. Give me half an ounce of respect and consider what I’ve said and follow some form of form.
I hate these motherfuckers and since they saw it fit to take away Jaycee and other girls lives, their lives should be taken from them. I hope that the death threats those two have been recieving are acted up in a most brutal manner.
One of the biggest things that blew my mind about this story was how the wife, Nancy, was okay with it all. Lady, your husband is having sex with other women. That’s no big deal to you? Well, she’s obviously a kook to be right on board with him.
Yeah, I know this isn’t by any means the worst part of the story, but how much of a sick dick Phillip is goes without saying. I just can’t imagine having my partner be with other people, under any circumstances, and to be fine with it.
So how brainwashed is Jaycee?
Wonder if any of Phillip’s children will have an even remotely similar mindframe as he does. That’s genetics for you.
What we are pissed off about, is this asshole was let out of jail, and should have never have been let out, also nancy needs to pay too, I hope they spend the rest of their lifes in Jail and then rot in hell for what they have done to everyone, They desirve to have done to them what they have done to others, they are very mean and sick and rude people, This should had been stopped a long time ago, and it should have been found a long time ago, if people had done there job, this might not have happened,
Your not the only one taking the Jaycee Dugard situation personally. As you’ve already mentioned, Jaycee is the daughter of Terry Dugard (Probyn) whom also just so happened to be a High School classmate of mine as well. Over time Terry and i became very well aquainted. I haven’t seen Terry in a great number of years, but she’ll always be in my heart.
Jaycee was just a baby when i first meet her….. but she is Terry’s Baby, and to me that makes her something special. So after all the time that had passed, to see Jaycee Found Alive after 18 Years on my MSN start up page, i just froze. The only thing i think i said was “Oh My God” over and over, i don’t know how many times.
I couldn’t get enough information fast enough, flipping from news channel to news channel, back and forth, tears running down my face most of the day, Terry has her Baby Girl back so the tears tears wrer tears of Joy. until, THE NEWS BRIEF came on AT 3:00 pm. When i heard that Jaycee gave birth to two daughters, fathered by her captor……i lost that joyful feeling instantly.
28 year old girls aren’t supposed to have 15 year old little girls. That was when i wanted to go to Martinez, California and get my ass thrown into the Costra County Jail.
Learning he’d been down this road before, receiving 50 years of “Federal Time” for the Kidnapping and a life sentence of “State Time” for the rape by force or fear……. I want someone to explain to me How it is that this (your word here) is living in some little town, in his little house 11 years later !
So that two years later he eyes MY FRIENDS DAUGHTER one morning on her way to school ….for 5th grade clasases, and he decides she’s going to be the mother of his children. Not a care in the world who’s or how many lives, families, marriages are ruined in his wake.
Im 51 years old, and well aware that these kind of things happen in the world today. There’s got to be a better way to protect our children. There’s some sick indivduals out there waiting for just that right moment.
This “Garrido”, the sick fuck that he is has really opened my eyes to alot of what, i guessing, i choose not to see in the past.
THIS KINDA SHIT HAS GOT TO STOP ! THAT SON OF A BITCH MADE IT PERSONAL NOW….AND IM MAD AS FUCK ABOUT IT…..
WE’VE ALL GOT TO BAND TOGETHER AND FORCE THE ISSUE, WE’VE GOT TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN !
JAYCEE’S LAW !
Mark K
AHS Colonists
Class of 75
We all deserve hell according to the Bible. But we can be saved from hell by accepting Jesus Christ into our hearts. No one should wish hell upon any human being regardless of how disgusting their actions are. What we should be wishing for instead is rehabilitation. There’s an evil lie going around stating that some people cannot be rehabilitated. I’m not falling for it, neither should you.
Some people cannot be rehabilitated, and you’re dangerously ignorant for believing otherwise. Belief in Jesus Christ cannot un-rape a child or give her her life back. Belief in Jesus Christ cannot remove the horror from her mind, or the evil from his heart. it is my opinion that you are a fool for God, and I doubt God is amused.
vcbecky i definately agree with you about rehabilitation i personally have known a rapist they never seem to change my step brother raped me and atleast three other girls i was the only person to put him away he got five yrs this was back in1992 i was 11 what peaple like chris dont seem to understand is that for the victim if they survive it stays for life he is my step brother but then he was just my big brother i looked up to him he would protect me from bully’s until he became the bully one night with my 4yr old brother watching and asking my step mother whats he doin to sissy it still haunts me to this day! point is there is alot of sickos in the world dont be nieve to think they can change in my life i personally have came acrossed at least a handful of sickos im just one person, that should NOT happen
Chris
not to mention how long did they have her they had plenty of time to have a change of heart but that just doesnt happen when your dealing with these sickos!!!!!
Typical responses. Heard it all before. It doesn’t change truth, what I’ve stated is not debatable. Since there is a dark and negative spirit on this blog, or whatever this page is, and since now you’ve been admonished twice, I’m out of here. I pray you come to know the truth.
Let the door hit your ass on the way out!
Ummmm Chris I know I am going to hell. I’m not worried cause the ride there is fun, AND we have beer!
now your talkin my language mulch,we have booze,and we have BBB,LOL.
Typical response from you born again crackpots – Believe what I believe or it’s Hell for you. Typical reaction when you meet any logical resistance – I’m out of here. What’s the matter Chris, are my friends starting to wake up those doubts you’ve always had about the version of Christianity you were sold? The only darkness is in your heart, and it was put there by the people who told you that there was only one path to heaven and they were the only ones who knew it.
Supposedly California will be keeping a closer watch on sex offenders now. Not that much closer from what the article says, but it’s worth a read. At least something is happening as a result of this horrible case:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sex-offenders20-2010mar20,0,1460285.story?track=rss
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/jaycee-dugard-case-nancy-_n_855050.html
A plea deal, but they’re done. They’ve both plead guilty.
WTH was that about?