UPDATE 2: Michael Gagnon
MICHAEL GAGNON’S APPEAL REJECTED BY APPELLATE COURT
In a decision that all of us here at People You’ll See In Hell have been waiting to hear, the Sixth District Court Of Appeals in Lucas County, Ohio rejected Michael Gagnon’s appeals from his convictions following his no contest pleas in the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas for five counts of aggravated vehicular homicide and two counts of aggravated vehicular assault. Here is the text of the court’s opinion. Even if you can’t understand the legal speak, anyone can clearly make out what the message is in line 33 of this document:
IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO
SIXTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
LUCAS COUNTY
Court of Appeals
No. L-08-1235
Appellee Trial Court No. CR08-1056State of Ohio
v.
Michael GagnonDECISION AND JUDGMENT
Appellant Decided: September 30, 2009
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Julia R. Bates, Lucas County Prosecuting Attorney, and
Evy M. Jarrett, Assistant Prosecuting Attorney, for appellee.
William F. Oswall, Jr. and Stephan D. Madden, for appellant.{¶ 1} Appellant, Michael Gagnon, appeals from his convictions following his no contest pleas in the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas for five counts of aggravated vehicular homicide and two counts of aggravated vehicular assault. Appellant was sentenced to 43 years in prison. For the reasons that follow, we affirm.
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{¶ 2} Appellant asserts six assignments of error for our consideration:
{¶ 3} “I. Defendant-appellant’s conviction must be reversed where the indictment was defective as to all counts to which defendant-appellant pled no contest.
{¶ 4} “II. Defendant-appellant’s conviction must be reversed because the trial court failed to substantially comply with the requirements of Criminal Rule 11 when it accepted the defendant-appellant’s plea of no contest.
{¶ 5} “III. The defendant-appellant suffered prejudicial, ineffective assistance of counsel when counsel failed to notify defendant-appellant of the mens rea of each offense in the indictment.
{¶ 6} “IV. The trial court violated defendant-appellant’s rights to equal protection and due process of law under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and under Sections 2, 10 and 16, Article I of the Ohio Constitution when it sentenced him contrary to R.C. 2929.11(B).
{¶ 7} “V. The trial court erred when it imposed consecutive sentences.
{¶ 8} “VI. The trial court erred by failing to notify the defendant-appellant of his right to appeal pursuant to Criminal Rule 32(B)(2).”
{¶ 9} Appellant’s first three assignments of error will be addressed together as they all three involve the definition of a strict liability offense. In his first assignment of error, appellant contends that his indictment was defective for failing to specify the requisite mens rea for the offenses charged. In his second assignment of error, appellant contends that his no contest pleas were not voluntary, knowing or intelligent due to his defective indictment. In his third assignment of error, appellant contends that his counsel was ineffective in failing to advise him as to the applicable mens rea elements.
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{¶ 10} In State v. Colon, 118 Ohio St.3d 26, 2008-Ohio-1624 (Colon I), the Ohio Supreme Court addressed the issue of whether an indictment is fatally flawed when it fails to set forth a required mens rea for a particular crime. In that case, the Ohio Supreme Court determined that an indictment for the crime of robbery, which failed to include the mens rea of recklessness as to the infliction of, or attempt to inflict, or threat to inflict, physical harm, was structurally deficient. Id., ¶ 27. On reconsideration, the Ohio Supreme Court clarified that the structural-error analysis for defective indictments is “appropriate only in rare cases * * * in which multiple errors at trial follow the defective indictment.” State v. Colon, 119 Ohio St.3d 204, 2008-Ohio-3749 (Colon II).
{¶ 11} Initially we note that this court has already determined that Colon applies only to cases in which a defendant has been indicted for the offense of robbery in violation of R.C. 2911.02(A)(2). State v. Horner, 6th Dist. No. L-07-1224, 2008-Ohio-6169, ¶ 20. And, this court has declined to extend Colon to cases such as this which did not involve a trial. State v. White, 6th Dist. No. L-07-1196, 2009-Ohio-4587.
{¶ 12} More importantly for our analysis is the fact that not every criminal charge requires a certain mental state for a conviction to stand. The Ohio Supreme Court has held that a culpable mental state “of the offender is a part of every criminal offense in Ohio, except those that plainly impose strict liability.” Colon I, ¶ 11.
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{¶ 13} Here, appellant was indicted on five counts of aggravated vehicular homicide under R.C. 2903.06(A)(1), one count for each of the five victims. Appellant’s indictment mirrored the language of the statute which provides: “[N]o person, while operating or participating in the operation of a motor vehicle * * * shall cause the death of another * * * as the proximate result of committing a violation of Division (A) of [R.C. 4511.19].” Appellant was also indicted on two counts of aggravated vehicular assault under R.C. 2903.08(A)(1)(a), one count for each of the two victims. Appellant’s indictment mirrored the language of that statute which provides:
{¶ 14} “[N]o person, while operating or participating in the operation of a motor vehicle, * * * shall cause serious physical harm to another person * * * as the proximate result of committing a violation of division (A) of [R.C. 4511.19].” R.C. 4511.19 provides that: “no person shall operate any vehicle * * * if, at the time of the operation * * * the person is under the influence of alcohol * * *.”
{¶ 15} Appellant contends that the applicable mens rea for the above offenses is recklessness. We disagree. In both statutes, the presence of R.C. 4511.19 acts to create a strict liability offense rather than a culpable mental state. State v. Moine (1991), 72 Ohio App.3d 584, 587. The court in Moine stated:
{¶ 16} “The language of R.C. 4511.19(A)(1) clearly indicates a purpose to impose strict liability, because the overall design of the statute is to protect against hazards to life, limb, and property created by drivers who have consumed so much alcohol that their faculties are impaired. * * * The act of driving a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol (or drugs, or a combination of both) is a voluntary act in the eyes of the law, and the duty to refrain from doing so is one that in the interests of public safety must be enforced by strict criminal liability without the necessity of proving a culpable state of mind.” State v. Moine, supra.
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{¶ 17} Ohio courts have already determined that R.C. 2903.06(A)(1) and 2903.08(A)(1)(a) are strict liability offenses requiring no culpable mental states. State v. Hundley, 1st Dist. No. C-060374, 2007-Ohio-3556, State v. Mayl, 154 Ohio App.3d 717, 2003-Ohio-5097, State v. Griesheimer, 10th Dist. No. 05AP-1039, 2007-Ohio-837, and State v. Harding, 2d Dist. No. 20801, 2006-Ohio-481. Further proof of the legislature’s intent in this matter can be gleaned from the fact that both R.C. 2903.06 and 2903.08 provide for offenses in which the culpable mental state of recklessly is specifically enumerated. See R.C. 2903.06(A)(2)(a) and 2903.08(A)(2)(b).
{¶ 18} For the foregoing reasons, appellant’s first three assignments of error are found not well-taken.
{¶ 19} In his fourth assignment of error, appellant contends that the court, in sentencing him, failed to consider R.C. 2929.11(B) which calls for felony sentencing to be “[c]onsistent with sentences imposed for similar crimes committed by similar offenders.” Appellant, in his brief, has cited to numerous examples of defendants, charged similarly to appellant, receiving lesser sentences.
{¶ 20} In State v. Lathan, 6th Dist. No. L-03-1188, 2004-Ohio-7074, ¶ 25, reversed in part on other grounds and on reconsideration, State v. Lathan, 6th Dist. No.
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L-03-1188, 2005-Ohio-321, however, we determined that a comparison of similar cases was not mandated under R.C. 2929.11(B), noting that “[e]ach case is necessarily, by its nature, different from every other case-just as every person is, by nature, not the same.” We have, therefore, held that “[w]e are no longer required to consider whether the trial court’s sentence is consistent with those imposed in similar cases.” State v. Wheeler, 6th Dist. No. L-06-1125, 2007-Ohio-6375, ¶ 13. See, also, State v. Donahue, 6th Dist. No. WD-03-083, 2004-Ohio-7161. Appellant’s fourth assignment of error is found not well-taken.{¶ 21} In his fifth assignment of error, appellant contends that the court erred in imposing consecutive sentences. Appellant was sentenced to five, consecutive, seven year terms for aggravated vehicular homicide, felonies of the second degree. Pursuant to R.C. 2929.14(A)(2), the penalty for a second degree felony shall be two, three, four, five, six, seven, or eight years. Appellant was also sentenced to two, consecutive, four year terms for aggravated vehicular assault, felonies of the third degree. Pursuant to R.C. 2929.14(A)(3), the penalty for a third degree felony shall be one, two, three, four, or five years.
{¶ 22} In State v. Foster, the Supreme Court of Ohio, in striking down parts of Ohio’s sentencing scheme, held that “[t]rial courts have full discretion to impose a prison sentence within the statutory range and are no longer required to make findings or give their reasons for imposing maximum, consecutive, or more than the minimum sentences.” 109 Ohio St.3d 1, 2006-Ohio-856, paragraph seven of the syllabus. Thus, an appellate court reviews felony sentences for an abuse of discretion. Id. An abuse of discretion implies that the trial court’s decision was unreasonable, arbitrary or unconscionable and not merely an error of law or judgment. Blakemore v. Blakemore (1983), 5 Ohio St.3d 217, 219. When applying an abuse of discretion standard, an appellate court may not generally substitute its judgment for that of the trial court. See Pons v. Ohio State Med. Bd. (1993), 66 Ohio St.3d 619, 621.
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{¶ 23} Nonetheless, R.C. 2929.11 and 2929.12, which require consideration of the purposes and principles of felony sentencing and the seriousness and recidivism factors, must still be considered by trial courts in sentencing offenders. State v. Mathis, 109 Ohio St.3d 54, 2006-Ohio-855, ¶ 38. R.C. 2929.11(A) provides that when a trial court sentences an offender for a felony conviction it must be guided by the “overriding purposes of felony sentencing.” Those purposes are “to protect the public from future crime by the offender and others and to punish the offender.” R.C. 2929.11(B) states that a felony sentence “must be reasonably calculated to achieve the purposes set forth under R.C. 2929.11(A), commensurate with and not demeaning to the seriousness of the crime and its impact on the victim * * *.” Finally, R.C. 2929.12 sets forth factors concerning the seriousness of the offense and recidivism factors.
{¶ 24} In this case, the sentences imposed for appellant’s offenses are within the ranges provided by statute. The court noted that appellant’s decision to drink and drive resulted in the death of five members of one family, one adult and four children, and severe injuries to two members of that family. The court specified that it considered the record, oral statements, victim impact, the presentence investigation report, and the sentencing principles and purposes under R.C. 2929.11 and 2929.12. Therefore, we cannot say that the trial court abused its discretion in imposing maximum, consecutive sentences for appellant’s offenses. Appellant’s fifth assignment of error is found not well-taken.
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{¶ 25} In his sixth assignment of error, appellant contends that the trial court failed to inform him of his right to appeal pursuant to Crim.R. 32(B) which states:
{¶ 26} “(2) After imposing sentence in a serious offense, the court shall advise the defendant of the defendant’s right, where applicable, to appeal or to seek leave to appeal the sentence imposed.
{¶ 27} “(3) If a right to appeal or a right to seek leave to appeal applies under division (B)(1) or (B)(2) of this rule, the court also shall advise the defendant of all of the following:
{¶ 28} “(a) That if the defendant is unable to pay the cost of an appeal, the defendant has the right to appeal without payment;
{¶ 29} “(b) That if the defendant is unable to obtain counsel for an appeal, counsel will be appointed without cost;
{¶ 30} “(c) That if the defendant is unable to pay the costs of documents necessary to an appeal, the documents will be provided without cost;
{¶ 31} “(d) That the defendant has a right to have a notice of appeal timely filed on his or her behalf.”
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{¶ 32} At appellant’s sentencing, the court stated: “[D]efendant is, again, reminded of the limited right to appeal the plea, as well as his right to appeal the sentence under certain circumstances as provided for in 2953.08.” Although the trial court did not adhere to the letter of Crim.R. 32(B), appellant was advised of his appellate rights after sentencing. Any error in this instance is harmless in that appellant timely filed his notice of appeal to this court. Finding no prejudice to appellant, his sixth assignment of error is found not well-taken.
{¶ 33} The judgment of the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas is affirmed. Appellant is ordered to pay the costs of this appeal pursuant to App.R. 24.
JUDGEMENT AFFIRMED
A certified copy of this entry shall constitute the mandate pursuant to App.R. 27. See, also, 6th Dist.Loc.App.R. 4.
Arlene Singer, J.
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JUDGEThomas J. Osowik, J.
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JUDGECharles D. Abood, J.
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JUDGEJudge Charles D. Abood, retired, sitting by assignment of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Ohio.
So, in spite of Clara Gagnon’s search and destroy tactics, Michael Gagnon will spend the next 42 years of his life in a small prison cell, contemplating the 5 lives he snuffed out in a moment of stupidity. I hope it hurts Clara. I hope it hurts a lot. Perhaps now you might have a small idea what Danny Griffin has been feeling these past months and years since the accident.
Huge Thank You To Our Man Jason For Providing Me With The PDF Of The Gagnon Decision. Thanks To Him It Looks Like We Scooped Everyone Getting This Out To The People.
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Thanks Max, I really, really appreciate this.
Jason
My pleasure Jason. What surprises me is the fact that it appears that we are the only news “media” to pick up on this story. I haven’t seen one newspaper or television station do a story on this topic. Not even the local Ohio media outlets.
I’m going to contact some of the other blogs whose webmasters I’m friendly with and tip them off to this story. The more people that know about this, the better it is for everyone.
HAPPY DANCE!!!
Thanks for posting this, Max! *Sigh of relief*
Excellent news! I agree that I hope this hurts Clara. I can’t believe I am wishing such a thing on a family member, but she is so hateful, so spiteful, and such a selfish bitch, I see it as just appropriate.
Jason, I hope this gives you some measure of peace.
I don’t hope it hurts her… I hope it wakes her up. There was one good way to handle this and she consistently misses it. They seem to think that my goal is to just hurt them when I tell them their appeal is a joke or their legal claims are crap, but it just doesn’t reach them.
It will not wake her up. People like her do not respond to anything except “hurt”. It’s sad, but you can see it in her venom and anger. There are people in this world who are just too “broken” to ever be “fixable”. Like you, I have great pity for them. Unlike you, though I hold no real hope that they can ever be “enlightened”.
As with criminals who were abused, where my pity and sorrow freezes at the point when they turn from victim to victimizer, I stop having sympathy for nasty people when they impact others. In this case, Clara raised her flock of spawn to be irresponsible selfish people, so my pain FOR her ends right there. I feel for her children, except the ones who have continued with her hateful, spiteful mentality.
So, I do hope this hurts Clara. She has directly or indirectly hurt so many people that she deserves to feel a bit of what she has wrought.
3,2,1 the gagnon family will be soon posting to defend their Mikey and how he didn’t do anything wrong and how the judge hated him and whatever…..
Who the hell is his lawyer???
this guy should have hired Raphier – or maybe even Raphier may not defend such scum.
But seriously, how could a lawyer want a POS like this back out on the streets??? A drunk Gagon would just as easily kill a member of the lawyer’s family as a stranger……. I would not try and release him and I live in CT – far enough away that Gagon has an almost 0% chance of having any direct effect upon my life.
But almost is still not absolute………….
Sure Gagnon deserves a reasonable defense, just like everyone else, but the fact is he intentionally committed crime (DUI) which led to other crimes that led to multiple deaths and was caught red handed. It was by no means an “accident” – there were not factors beyond his control. He made stupid choices and persisted in their ways. Driving drunk is a choice, he did NOT have to go out to Taco Bell – it’s not like he was going home after closing time and his “designated driver” dumped his ass – he made a choice – just that simple.
nice one Jason, being new’ish to site I see that you are a fair minded and kind human being, (when needed on this site ) :) and will do alot to help the scum of the earth go where they belong. well done from across the waters.
Jane
The fact that he even appealed this thing is proof that he is not the “good guy” his family claims. A decent person would admit his fault, accept his punishment and serve it with remorse and a desire to make amends for the pain he caused. Michael gagnon and those in his family who choose to make excuses for him are simply bad people. They don’t deserve any more attention or consideration. They are worthless.
Good…now we can only hope for the jail sodomy.
Ahhhh Z… I am not thinking that jail sodomy is quite the right punishment here. (Not that I ever hope for that, but at least in the case of baby-rapers, there is some measure of “just desserts”.)
I hope that Gagnon spends the next 42 years thinking about the people he has hurt. I would like to think that he becomes somehow productive in jail – maybe a mentor for others, or uses the time to get some form of education.
Nice thought, but there seems to be people born devoid of a soul.
I remember reading the comments on the original post of this story – and being amazed at the sheer obliviousness of the poster claiming to be this waste-of-flesh’s mother. At first, I figured it wasn’t really her, just some attention-seeking troll. But after reading her Myspace comments, I can honestly say – this family (Gagnons) is a perfect example of why you should have to have a license before breeding.
Here’s hoping they are all sterile and the clan dies with this last generation.
They truly believe that what he did wasn’t anything that bad-that he deserves just a couple of years in jail….I am so sick of that attitude-that drinking and driving is a lesser crime, not that serious, in the last 2 months here two 20 something kids and a 40 year old woman died as a result of drinking/driving.
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Oooh troll-boy, good come back. Like we’ve never heard an idiot try and rile us up with this line before. At least try and be original when you troll this website.
So far, you’ve been a total failure.
Sincerity. That’s what angers us when people say stupid stuff like this. You have no sincerity, so you fail at getting the reaction you’re looking for. You’re not even good enough to be terrible.
AMEN to this!! I’m so relieved to know they are cracking down on these fools. NO MORE SLAPS ON THE WRISTS!!!!!
You guys are soooo nerdy. I wish I could be a top poster. What does it require ? Pocket protector ? No sex life ? Zits ? To be Over weight ? Let me know so I can be cool like you ! Please I am begging you !
Nerdy? I’m more of a ‘geek’ than a ‘nerd’, but I can’t fault you for tryin’. No, wait.. .I CAN! No pockets – no protector. Cel phones don’t leak. Married, awesome sex life, thank you for your concern! Never had zits, though I understand you’re just trying to relate to your subject… I’m slightly overweight, but they don’t take my massive tits into account when they gauge that stuff. Besides, I sit behind my desk and run the business I own all day, so you gotta cut me some slack. The most exercise I get is rehersal and playing in clubs with my metal band twice a week. Jeez!
You can’t be cool like us. You’re far too unoriginal and boring. Life must really suck when you’re so vapid.
oh I am so hurt and stung by your assessment, LOL…though I do admit to getting pale during the winter because I do my marathon training inside on a treadmill at the gym than outside.
Actually, I’m only posting when the workday is especially boring at my Administrative job.
Top Poster? And he calls us nerds, while he uses terms left over from his days when he trolled Usenet. Guys like this are so fucking transparent, it’s almost pathetic. You’re gonna have to do better than that, troll-boy.
….and NOW is a perfect time for my sabattical to end.
To be a blogger on here, you need an IQ higher than your age. And you also need to act like an asshole when the moment calls for it, not eat them. Back to the drawing for you, troll boy.
I agree Blogger, Its the same people who think they are going to achieve something by posting 15,000 posts a year. When really ,they’re just showing the world what hermits they are. They’re probably as pale as a baby’s fanny, go get some sun guys ,please.
Good one Hank !
You posted through another screen name one second after your other post to congratulate yourself? Woah. That’s really..um, what’s the word I’m looking for? Pitiful. That’s really pitiful. Yeah, that’s the word.
lol vc, I would have said ‘fucktardily stupid’ even for a troll….lol but I haven’t had my morning coffee yet….give me an hour or so I’ll think of something….:)
Very perceptive of you Becky, since ‘Go GREEN’, ‘Hank’ and ‘BloggersHAVEnolives’ are all posting from the same IP address. So which one is real and which ones are the sock puppets? I guess we’ll never know now that he/she has been exposed as the worst kind of troll.
Oh, and remember the asshole who called himself “Charged” and was a big Gagnon fan? This is Him! It’s his IP address. I bet he’s feeling VERY foolish right now. Just goes to show to show you the class of loser who’s supporting Michael Gagnon.
HAH! I was hoping you’d verify it. I can’t really be too proud of myself, this one was pretty damned obvious.
Mr Charged, REEEEALLY now. Give us a teensy bit of credit, will ya? Wait at least 47ish minutes before you respond to yourself on the next blog you troll. The odd number makes it less obvious! :D
He does have a valid point. Its easy for you to judge a family you know nothing about. For all we you know you could be some hill billy bucked toothed waste of space livin in a double wide, with a surplus of empty Busch cans.
We’re judging their actions Frank – Have you seen Mom and Dad Gagnon’s interviews with the media? Clara has been especially despicable in her support of Michael. Look through the replies on the main Gagnon thread on this website alone for her comments and you’ll see just a small taste of who she is and her total lack of class. Suggesting the Daniel Griffin should be happy with the $600K he’s already received from the Gagnon’s insurance company. Just to make it easy for you, here are link to the podcasts of both the Clara and Michael Gagnon Sr. interviews with Troy Neff.
Clara Gagnon Interview
Michael Gagnon Sr. Interview
You also might want to take a look at this, before you defend these “uninvolved” people.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=307161215&blogID=410401635
What are the chances that the trolls are really Gagnon friends and family?
I must admit that everything about this case is sad. It’s like a nightclub fire where everybody dies including the jackass who accidentally set the fire. Even the people who got out before the building exploded (i.e. the relatives that lived through the crash) lost everything. Sad.
Just defending people that weren’t involved, and will continue to do so.
They became involved. They added their two cents in, that opened an evaluation of them and their words.
Frankie – why don’t you do a little background check before you post something that you know nothing about.
Clara (that’s Gagnon’s mom) has been on this board time after time to defend her son’s horrible actions. She has continued to twist the knife in the backs of the friends and family of the survivors, because HER son is all that she cares about. She has said terrible things about the victim’s families, and she has done everything she could do to try and get her son out of taking responsibility for his actions.
So, no matter what you perceive without having the facts, she is NOT an innocent bystander who happens to have a sleazebag son. She put herself out here, she hurt many people, and she deserves whatever scorn we can give her.
Michael Gagnon has to be one of the most covered scumbag here at PYSIH.
This makes me so damn happy.
Suck it, asshole family members. I wish he weren’t allowed contact with you so you could feel what it’s like to have someone REALLY taken away.
FAIL.
Wow, what a nerd.
This coming from a nerd with a name like Max The Cat ? Wow…..
Oh and VcBecky please clam it, the official “Bull Dikes With Butch Haircuts” web site is elsewhere.
VcBecky please shut your trap, your acting like your a genius doesn’t make up for your obesity, please continue watching your Richard Simmons videos, and continuing being a bull dike, with a butch haircut. I wish I could sit on the internet like you all day and be a top poster like you and your other buddies ! Lol.
Are you saying my genius DOES make up for my obesity? Aww, that would be sweet, but I’m not obese. Too bad your lack of wit doesn’t make up for your inability to recognize defeat…
there’s five now????…..gonna need a bigger car to go over that cliff :) I’ll even help push it from this end lol
(VcBecky ) and (justjaneybox)Lol. Why don’t you just rip max’s pants off right here and now and just give his cheeks a big kiss !! Lol ! Yeah max , yeah max, why doesn’t he he….. Your kissing up to a host of a web page ? And im a loser ! ?
(Vcbeck and janeybox)Lol. Why dont you just rip max’s panta off right here and now and just give his cheeks a big kiss !! Lol ! Yeah max , yeah max, why doesn’t he he….. Your kissin up to a host of a web page ? And Im a loser ! ?
None of us are making up our friends like you are, so yeah, I’m pretty confident you’re the loser here. Pussy…LOL
LIVIN;
Please string together all of your thoughts in one post. It’s distracting to watch you post one or two sentences at a time. Unless, of course, that’s all the material you can hold in your head at one time.
Guys lets just leave him alone he makes good points about VcBecky, I”ve thought she should have stopped posting long ago ! She needs to get some sun anyway, and she needs to take care of her “imaginary” company she keeps telling us about.
Now he’s nym stealing – time to ban this asshole. Say bye bye pussy.
What is nym stealing?
Using someone else’s nickname and posting as that person. usually adults don’t do it, but there’s always exceptions, as you can see.
Thats what im saying, He misspelled name.
nym is short for pseudonym, you idiot. God you’re stupid. Were you born this way, or did you drink yourself this dumb?
Well I gotta let you go, I have to go rub my boyfriends beer belly in hot steaming oil. Also im sad because all my “friends” are people I have never seen, and hang out on this website all day. Well see ya tomorrow, everybody bring their BONERS !
Pathetic – as if I couldn’t delete these posts if I wanted to – but they only show how sad this guy really is. I know 8 year olds who act more mature, What a pussy.
Dammit ! I cant see you ever again ! Well shit, Im disapointed !
If these are the people who are rooting FOR Michael, is it any wonder he lost? Is it any wonder he was such a heavy drinker in the first place?
I suggest the next time they allow internet access from the asylum, his family request his inbred uncle here be denied that perk. He’s embarrassed all of them so badly, I’ll be amazed if any of them have the audacity to post here again.
That’s my point exactly – in his rush to get back at us, he forgot about his buddy Mike. Now he and Mikey are forever attached, and so is his little temper tantrum here. Very classy
Oh, ‘Livin’ must be posing as you Max??? I’m catching on. What a douche.
Right bro, and he keeps making it worse by continuing to post like a child. He thinks it makes him cool. When he’s finished making an ass out of himself I’ll clean up this thread.
Please smell my farts loser !
Nah, we’ve had enough of your opinion already.
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Yep, because you can always lose weight, change your appearance, but troll boy can’t ever make up for his lack of intelligence
Obviously he has indicated that your intelligence is superior, you will always be intelligent and if you wanted could change your appearance. Troll boy will never be able to increase his intelligence to match yours….
Again another self describing screen name “ferrets”. Need I say more.
I love my 50 ferrets to death ! They smell better than my arm pits after a day of garbage pickin ! Woo Wee !
Leave me alone ferrets, I don’t need you to protect me, I have a full squad of internet goons that have my back. I’ll type sooo fast he won’t know what hit him !
You must be bored. Luckily I’m working late so I can entertain you! I have to go soon, though. I’m sorry, I know it’s devastating for someone of your obvious neediness. Just remember, if you want to slash your wrists due to the overwhelming pressure of your personal uselessness, it’s more effective to slash vertically. That’s wrist-to-elbow, and don’t be afraid to press hard!
While I’m gone, go ahead and google “Virtual Bubble Wrap”. It’ll keep you entertained for HOURS! It’s at your skill level, and there’s even a ‘crazy’ setting you’ll feel right at home with. Don’t forget to turn up your sound! WOAH! THE EXCITEMENT!
(you pitiful skinbag.)
Well, im off to Walmart , they have a deal on a 50 pack of toilet paper.
I guess I really have to ban this guy, don’t I? Too bad, It’s been fun watching him make a jackass out of himself, but I need to keep some level of standards here. Some people are just too childish to allow to post with the adults.
Yeah, if only he’d been even slightly amusing or witty or anything other than boring. Oh well, standards are important.
Actually dumbass trolll pretending to be me….ferrets are quite intelligent, clever and amusing animals, and they do not smell, unlike yourself…don’t pretend to be someone else over and over-its terribly unoriginal
Childish, lame and weak too ferrets. He’s certainly by far the worst troll we ever had to deal with on PYSIH. You gotta wonder about the intelligence of an so-called adult who continues to sock-puppets AFTER he’s been exposed, posts as other people but doesn’t have the brains to spell the names the same as the original person does, calls women fat and gay, and generally insults people at a 3rd grade level. I realize we got under his skin, and I’ve seen people melt down before, but what this guy did was pathetic. I almost felt bad for him – I really did. You could almost feel the rise in his desperation with each post. So sad…..
I hope Bubba gives Michael something to gagnon.
bah-dah-BING!
HAHAHAH gotta love Max.
Just an FYI..the most recent comment on Bethany’s myspace (link in first article) is from Sam Gagnon if anyone wants to check it out. Interesting little read. How did he even get to be one of her myspace friends?? Judging by the other comments on there she was obviously very loved and adored her family. And had great taste in music! Much love to everyone who was blessed enough to know this family.
Someone(a family member of Bethany’s) other than Bethany(of course) or Danny now has “control” of Bethany’s myspace page.
I think Gagnon made a HUGE mistake pleading no-contest. He should have taken a gamble with a jury, imo. I was one of the ones accused of being family and/or a child for somewhat-defending him..
I just know A LOT of good people who have made REALLY poor decisions and driven drunk.. This could have happened to any one of them.. I wonder how many people on here condemning him — have ever driven drunk?!?
Anyway – I am sure I am going to get nailed for that opinion and I apologize if it offends anyone here.
It’s a VERY sad case – that’s for sure.. There are no winners here.
IMO, Gagnon will die in prison.. His appeals will continue to be futile. Like I said, he would have been better off going through a trial and letting a jury hash it out.
No, he would have been better off pleading guilty, flat out to all of the charges. Write a letter to the judge in his case and ask. I think I mentioned this half a dozen times. A jury would have come back with a guilty verdict and the same judge would have sentenced him after the process–probably to the same sentence.
The only way he’d have gotten less of a sentence is if he moved through his grief swiftly and came to the clear conclusion that his actions caused all of the trouble, and he swiftly plead guilty to all charges and sought no reduction in his sentence. Only then could he have faced a lighter sentence. Blame Rick Sanders for failing to level with Michael and the family, but you and everyone else involved was warned and you shook your heads and called everyone else a fool. You still are.
The process that’s left Michael is to figure out what to do with his time. Perhaps figuring out how to help other quickly plead guilty to the crimes they commit would be a good endeavor.
I’ve never driven drunk. I never will. I’m not a selfish shitbag like Michael Gagnon, and I’ll thank you for not trying to tear us all down to his level to make your non-point.
I cannot see things from his POV because his POV is like a foreign language that I have no desire to learn. Obviously it’s a language you and the rest of his family know well. You’re disgusting.
If you’re going to pretend to be three different people, why can’t at least one of them be even vaguely intelligent?
Oops, four different people. My mistake.
You really have no self respect, do you ‘Go GREEN’, ‘Hank’, ‘BloggersHAVEnolives’, ‘Charged’. Most people who get caught using sock puppets are too embarrassed to make anymore comments.
I mean Jesus Christ dude. You make a comment as ‘BloggersHAVEnolives’, then use ‘Hank’ to agree with that comment, then use Go GREEN to pat yourself on the back with “Good one, Hank!” How fucking lame is that? And now you’re making more dumb comments? It’s the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen in the 20 years I’ve been around the web. Maybe you should kill yourself – yeah, you have to kill yourself for the sake of trolls everywhere, because you’re a total disgrace.
Dunno, Max… a quadruple funeral might get expensive. Of course, he could just load all four of himself into a car and run it off a cliff. That’s mostly free. Hey there ya go! I’m a problem solver!
If he waits for Mike to get out of prison, I’m sure he’ll be happy to get wasted and drive them all off a cliff.
That’s a looootta waitin’ though, Max.