UPDATE: Richard Kern, Alex Cruz and Andrew Morales
HOSTILE GRILLING OF MICHAEL MINEO IN TRIAL OF 3 OFFICERS
excerpts from an article by Kareem Fahim – The New York Times
Stuart London, a defense lawyer, wasted little time on pleasantries as he greeted Michael Mineo on the witness stand just after 10 a.m. Tuesday.
“Good morning, Mr. Mineo, how are you?” Mr. London said. “You didn’t get stoned today before you came to court, did you?”
A prosecutor immediately objected to the question, and Mr. Mineo, who prosecutors say was sodomized by a police officer in a Brooklyn subway station, hung his head. The exchange set the tone for a morning of hostile questions by defense lawyers and increasingly irritated responses from Mr. Mineo, who was scolded several times by the judge, Alan D. Marrus, as he volunteered information without being questioned.
The lawyers asked Mr. Mineo, 25, to scream as he said he did that day in October 2008, and to stand up. They told him to put his hands behind his back so jurors could see what he would have looked like while being handcuffed, and made him hold up the underwear he was wearing that day, with the hole he says was made by a police officer’s baton being rammed between his buttocks.
At different points, Mr. Mineo sighed into a microphone, mumbled answers and yelled.
“I’m the victim,” he shouted at one point. “I’m the one getting treated like I did this to myself.”
The combative exchanges in State Supreme Court in Brooklyn came on the third day of the trial of three officers accused of misconduct as they arrested Mr. Mineo, whom they had caught smoking marijuana outside the Prospect Park subway station. Officer Richard Kern is charged with sexual assault and faces 25 years in prison if convicted, while two others, Alex Cruz and Andrew Morales, are accused of trying to cover up Officer Kern’s act.
Prosecutors have said that DNA evidence taken from Officer Kern’s baton matches Mr. Mineo’s DNA, and that another officer who was present during the arrest will corroborate Mr. Mineo’s account of abuse.
After Mr. Mineo left the stand on Tuesday, the prosecution presented witnesses to shore up his account. One, Jamal Abdul Farad, said he heard Mr. Mineo screaming about his abuse as he was led to a police car.
Another, Ashley Loney — a former roommate of Mr. Mineo who worked with him at Jiggaman Tattoos in Downtown Brooklyn — testified that she and some other friends ended up at the subway station after Mr. Mineo’s arrest that day.
She testified that when she saw Mr. Mineo — pale, disheveled and avoiding eye contact — he said: “I’ve been violated. I want to go home and take a shower.”
Ms. Loney suggested that they go to a hospital. She said Mr. Mineo had blood on his hands and told her, “I’m leaking.” They picked Brookdale University Hospital, about 15 minutes away, rather than the closer Kings County Hospital Center because, she said, Mr. Mineo told her he had been warned by one of the officers not to go to a hospital or a police station. Ms. Loney said that as they rode in a cab, she gave Mr. Mineo her iPod to calm him down. “He loves my playlist,” she said.
But the main event on Tuesday was the two-and-a-half-hour cross-examination of Mr. Mineo, during which the three officers sat passively as their accuser, in his second day on the witness stand, lost his temper time and again.
Mr. London, who represents Officer Cruz, confronted him with video taken by a nearby security camera after the arrest, in which Mr. Mineo can be seen walking on the sidewalk on his own. Mr. London noted that Mr. Mineo did not seem to be in pain, and that there was no sign of blood in the video. But later in the video, Mr. Mineo is seen leaning on a friend for support.
“This is ridiculous,” Mr. Mineo said. “This is ridiculous.”
Then John D. Patten, who represents Officer Kern, took his turn. Again, there were no pleasantries: Mr. Patten quickly asked Mr. Mineo to scream, to show how he had yelled on the day in question.
“I can’t re-enact the scream, because I’m not having anything stuck up my rectum,” Mr. Mineo replied. Mr. Patten asked again, and Mr. Mineo shook his head. “This is your best defense?” Mr. Mineo asked.
Their exchanges got only more heated. Mr. Patten asked why Mr. Mineo, who has said he was “embarrassed” by the news coverage of his abuse, had made several visits to the headquarters of the Rev. Al Sharpton to talk about the case, and had spoken to reporters. Mr. Mineo said he did not want it “sweeped under the carpet, like everything else the police do.”
Mr. Patten kept at him, provocatively: “He was ramming you, ramming you, ramming you,” he said. “All the way in. Ramming it, ramming it, ramming it. That’s your testimony?”
Then Mr. Patten showed another video, of the moments when Officer Kern first confronted Mr. Mineo, taken by a security camera outside a restaurant. In one frame, which showed Offer Kern looking down, Mr. Patten said the officer was looking at Mr. Mineo’s identification, a health benefit card.
Mr. Mineo has said he was not carrying any identification.
COURT TOLD OF POSSIBLE ORIGIN OF DNA EVIDENCE
excerpts of an article by Kareem Fahim – The New York Times
A baton that the authorities seized from Officer Richard Kern contained a trace of blood in a mix of genetic material that possibly included that of a Brooklyn man he is charged with sexually abusing in 2008, an expert witness testified on Wednesday.
The witness, Sarah Philipps, a DNA specialist with the medical examiner’s office, gave that conclusion in State Supreme Court in Brooklyn on the day prosecutors wrapped up their case against three police officers who are accused in an attack on the man, Michael Mineo. One of the lawyers for the officers immediately called the finding “meaningless.”
Ms. Philipps said that she retrieved the blood and DNA by swabbing the retractable portion of Officer Kern’s baton, including the tip. The DNA on the baton came from at least three “contributors,” she said.
Defense lawyers repeatedly focused on her qualifying language in their cross-examination.
“I could not definitively say Michael Mineo’s DNA is on the asp,” she said, referring to the baton. “He’s a possible contributor.”
“Just possible?” said John D. Patten, Officer Kern’s lawyer. “That’s all he is.”
Ms. Philipps also testified that Mr. Mineo’s blood was found on the boxer shorts he said he was wearing that day.
OFFICER’S TESTIMONY SUPPORTS ABUSE ALLEGATION
excerpts of an article by Kareem Fahim – The New York Times
At first, Officer Kevin Maloney kept it all to himself.
During an arrest in a Brooklyn subway station on Oct. 15, 2008, he watched a fellow officer jab a baton between the buttocks of a suspect, and he thought he heard the man moan, Officer Maloney testified on Monday. He listened as the suspect, a body piercer named Michael Mineo who had been seen smoking marijuana outside the station, complained that someone had shoved a walkie-talkie inside him. Later, he saw blood on Mr. Mineo’s hand.
But Officer Maloney did not call an ambulance or tell a supervisor or question any of his colleagues about why they released Mr. Mineo — whom they had chased through the streets and forcibly subdued on the subway platform — with a summons for disorderly conduct. The episode was only briefly noted in his memo book.
It was days later that Officer Maloney, then a 26-year-old assigned to transit duty and still on workplace probation, decided to speak up about what he had seen, breaking the wall of silence that has stymied investigations into police misconduct.
“I came forward because the investigation was focused on someone else,” he said in State Supreme Court in Brooklyn, “and it shouldn’t be.” The weight of that decision seemed to make his voice crack on the stand.
Officer Maloney is perhaps the most important prosecution witness against the three officers on trial, and one by one, he was asked to identify them: Richard Kern, charged with aggravated sexual abuse, and Alex Cruz and Andrew Morales, who are accused of helping cover up Officer Kern’s actions.His testimony, on the trial’s seventh day, was critical to the prosecution’s case because it corroborated crucial aspects of Mr. Mineo’s account about what happened that day at the Prospect Park subway station. During his own time on the stand last week, Mr. Mineo was treated harshly by defense lawyers, who called attention to his criminal record, his inconsistent statements and even his many tattoos.
When asked why he did not speak out right away, Officer Maloney testified that he did not think he had seen any misconduct.
“It did not register with you that Police Officer Kern had done anything inappropriate?” asked John D. Patten, Officer Kern’s lawyer. Officer Maloney said that was correct.
That October day, he was assigned to the B and Q lines. At 1:15 p.m., about two and a half hours before the end of his shift, he was standing on the Q line’s southbound platform at the Prospect Park station when he said he saw two officers chasing a man down the stairs.
The man — Mr. Mineo — doubled back toward the entrance, and Officer Maloney said he bounded up the stairs to cut him off. Another officer, Noel Jugraj, got to Mr. Mineo first and wrestled him to the ground.
Face down, surrounded by officers, “Michael Mineo is squirming,” Officer Maloney said.
He testified that while he knelt on Mr. Mineo’s right side, Officer Jugraj was in front of him by Mr. Mineo’s head and Officer Kern straddled the suspect’s legs. At that point in his testimony, Officer Maloney paused and took a sharp breath.
“I see Richard Kern has a metal retractable baton, known as the Asp, out,” Officer Maloney said. “I saw Officer Richard Kern have it placed on Michael Mineo’s buttocks.” Officer Maloney demonstrated how Officer Kern held the baton, which is about eight inches long and partly covered in foam.
Officer Kern pressed the baton to Mr. Mineo’s left buttock, Officer Maloney said, and moved it “from left to right.” Then he applied pressure. A prosecutor, Charles Guria, asked how Officer Maloney could tell, and he replied that he saw “indentation in Michael Mineo’s clothing.” He was wearing boxers.
A half inch to an inch of the baton disappeared from his sight, he said, as it was pressed into “Mineo’s butt crack.”
After Mr. Mineo was handcuffed and helped upright by the officers, he asked, “Why did you stick that walkie-talkie up my ass?” Officer Maloney testified. Soon afterward, he said, Officer Kern described Mr. Mineo as an “E.D.P.,” police shorthand for an emotionally disturbed person.
At that point in the story, Officer Maloney’s account diverged from that of other witnesses. His testimony may have helped Officer Cruz: Office Maloney said he never heard him say “you liked it,” as both Mr. Mineo and Officer Jugraj have alleged. Mr. Mineo testified that Officer Kern repeatedly rammed him with the baton, but under cross-examination from Mr. Patten, Officer Maloney said he did not see that.
EXPERTS SAY EVIDENCE NOT CONSISTENT WITH ABUSE CLAIMS
excerpts of an article by Kareem Fahim – The New York Times
Defense witnesses testifying in a police brutality trial said Tuesday that neither the hole in Michael Mineo’s boxer shorts nor his injuries were consistent with his claim of being sodomized by a police officer’s baton.
Such a baton would have cut an L-shaped hole, not a square one in the shorts, and Mr. Mineo would have suffered bruises or broken bones, forensic and medical experts testified.
“I don’t believe it happened,” Dr. Frank T. Sconzo said in State Supreme Court in Brooklyn.
In their continuing efforts to portray Mr. Mineo as a liar, defense lawyers called witnesses on Tuesday who scrutinized some of the evidence in the case — in particular, the victim’s medical records as well as the torn boxer shorts.
Officer Richard Kern is accused of repeatedly ramming his retractable baton between the buttocks of Mr. Mineo, a 25-year-old body piercer who was smoking marijuana outside the Prospect Park subway station on Oct. 15, 2008; Officers Alex Cruz and Andrew Morales are charged with helping to cover up the attack.
The lead prosecutor, Charles Guria, parried a series of strong attacks by defense lawyers throughout the day, making it hard for either side to gain much momentum.
In the end, the day’s proceedings may have set the stage for a bigger event: testimony by one or more of the officers the next time court convenes, on Thursday, although lawyers for the officers said they had not yet decided whether their clients would take the stand.
Dr. Sconzo, a colorectal expert who was the first witness of the day, dismissed the idea that Mr. Mineo’s initial injuries, or an ensuing infection, stemmed from trauma. He noted that Mr. Mineo’s blood, taken at Brookdale University Hospital and Medical Center shortly after the episode in the subway station, suggested he had an “ongoing infection,” that had most likely developed at least 48 hours before he went to the hospital.
An abscess that Mr. Mineo developed later “was not caused by anything from the anus or the rectum,” Dr. Sconzo said, noting that a culture of fluids drained from the abscess was “not consistent with the colon or rectal area.”
A graphic photo of Mr. Mineo’s buttocks, first shown to the jury on Tuesday, did little to clear up several mysteries. While Dr. Sconzo noted that the photograph seemed to show evidence of an anal fissure — a crack or tear — he conceded that other areas where Mr. Mineo might have been injured were obscured by shadows or hair.
The defense lawyers also renewed their focus on Mr. Mineo’s boxer shorts, which he has said were pierced by the baton.
Thomas A. Kubic, who teaches forensic science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, declared that the baton “could not have made that square hole in the boxer shorts.” And he testified that a black spot on the edge of the hole showed traces of organic compounds that can be found in tattoo ink.
(On several occasions, defense lawyers have suggested that Mr. Mineo, who worked in a tattoo parlor, cut the hole in his boxers himself.)
When asked by Mr. Guria, the prosecutor, whether any of the compounds could also be found in everyday items, like skin lotions, hair products and perfume, Professor Kubic said that it could.
Mr. Guria also asked whether Professor Kubic had tested the baton, to see whether “carbon black” that he had found on the boxer shorts could have come from its rubbery handle.
“No, counselor,” he answered. He also acknowledged, “I know very little about tattooing.”
Defense lawyers have tried to show that Mr. Mineo has, over time, given conflicting accounts of what happened in the subway station. On Tuesday, they tried to zero in on his claim that medication may have made him foggy when police investigators interviewed him in the hospital.
An internal affairs investigator, Sgt. David Gomes, testified that Mr. Mineo was “very coherent” and “very lucid” during their conversation at Brookdale. Mr. Mineo pulled off his underwear, showing investigators the hole, Sergeant Gomes said.
But under questioning by Mr. Guria, Sergeant Gomes added that Mr. Mineo was also “agitated,” and “animated in his speech.”
“He stated that there may be video in the subway station,” Sergeant Gomes recalled. But in fact, there was none.
Well, how would you like to be on this jury people? Personally, I think Michael Mineo is a liar looking for a pay day, because even his best witness, Officer Kevin Maloney, contradicted one of the most important parts of his story; Maloney testified that he saw Officer Richard Kern’s retractable baton “disappear from his view” 1/2 inch to an inch, while Mineo claims it went at least 7 inches up his rectum. That’s not a mistake, that’s a lie.
Also, the DNA, or lack of it, if very telling. While the crime lab couldn’t exclude Michael Mineo’s DNA from Officer Kern’s baton, neither could include him with any confidence at all. In my opinion, that makes it worthless evidence.
I don’t know for sure what happened on that platform – the only ones who do are Mr. Mineo and Officers Kern, Morales and Cruz. In these cases I have to trust my knowledge of Human behavior, and use my common sense. But to tell the honest to God truth, it doesn’t matter what I think. It only matter what those twelve jurors in that courtroom decide. Hopefully they’re smart enough to see through all the smoke and mirrors tricks that both sides will use and find the truth.
As soon as there is a verdict, I’ll update this story faster than you can say “Ow! My ass!”
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Hmm interesting. I believe he probably was semi-assaulted, but probably not sexually. Maybe they knocked him on the ground and smacked him or stuck him with it, hard enough to hurt, but not pierce clothing. He probably was pissed off, got lucky with no cams showing exactly what happened, and saw an opportunity.
Wow. It is disgusting how rape and sexual assault victims are treated, especially when the perpetrators are dirty cops.
So you have proof that no one else has? I mean you seem so convicted that they are dirty. so maybe you could share that information with the rst of us. Maybe the prosicuters in this case would love to hear from you…..
Look at the hole in the drawers. Seems really perfect and round to me. Now look at a poloce baton. Either end is well rounded off. Please someone tell me how a well rounded object could make a hole like that, rounded off so well and even with out the materiel ripping. these are boxer shorts. Most likely very loose fitting.
I am doubting this case. Completly
Yep, and don’t forget that he has been seen going to Al (I’ll get THE MAN) Sharpton’s office. If he was a victim, then there would only be one story he told — the truth. Liars have trouble sticking to their stories, especially when $$ is at stake. ;) No, I get the same vibe from this character as I did from that chick back ages ago who claimed some white cops kidnapped her and wrote racial epithets on her stomach — even when it was proven she was a liar and a fake, her “cause” was not relinquished. Funny how her name has escaped my memory……..
Hopefully this f*cktard will get 12 men and women who can smell a rat!
I beg pardon — tell me again how you know they’re dirty cops? Oh wait — based on the “word” of a gang member, and a Johnny Cochrane wannabe?
I am a nurse. Often, while working in an ER, I have seen patients who were sodomized by various things. My father is ex NYPD, retired. I am very familiar with the size and shape of the batons that they carry. While I am no expert on the matter, I can tell you that if Mr. Mineo was sodomized by the baton well past 7 inches into his rectum, there would have been more than just anal fissures. He probably would have had a perforated colon, especially if the baton force was such that it went through not only his pants, but his undergarments as well. That is a LOT of force being used. Most assuredly, he would be bleeding from the rectum quite heavily as those batons are metal wrapped in foam coating but are quite sharp on the ends. While I do believe that Mr. Mineo was probably a victim of excessive force, I don’t believe that he was sodomized or violated the way he states he was. Again, I am no expert…but Lord, I have seen things much smaller and thinner than a police baton enter peoples rectums and have done far more serious damage. That’s just my initial impression. Who knows. I could be wrong…but I doubt it.
On behaf of mankind I want to say I am sorry you have to see those things. I honestly don#t think I could dothe job you do, seeing what you see and not kill the person or people responsible.
I would also like to thank you for doing the job you do. I can understandit is not easy more so in seeing this. thank you for going to work day after day and doing the job you do.
That was a very sweet thing to write, Mulch. I appreciate that. Let me make something clear though…sometimes, the things I see people sodomized with are done with the persons permission! Basically, I see a lot of sex play gone terribly wrong…LOL It’s not all criminally related. I have seen everything from vegetables, to toys, to light bulbs to…you name it! The things that I have seen that were criminally related are too heinous to mention. I don’t work ER anymore because the stress got to be too much. It’s a very strong person who can see things like that day after day. But it is very nice to know that there are people like you who appreciate nurses and hold them in such high regard. Thank you again for your kind words.
/tips hat
Mam
/rides off in to the sunset whistling
Hey, CP
I used to work in a path lab typing reports of the doctors’ findings, and your statements about your job brought back memories. There were certain patients who were admitted again and again, always with something new up their butt. One guy came in one time with a cruet for oil & vinegar, another time with a lightbulb. I think the most extreme thing to ever come out was a baseball.
It was always good for a laugh now and then. People come up with the craziest excuses for having things in their ass. “I fell on it” was the number one. Had a guy once tell his he put his keys in his rectum so he wouldn’t lose them at a club he was at. Then they got stuck…poor thing had to leave his car at the club and take a taxi to the hospital just to get his keys back.
Sometimes I miss the ER…LOL
A grave misjustice had to have occurred if Al Sharpton is involved. He is the epitome of integrity.
OH yes Mr Al Sharpton must always be trusted and believed.
Reverand Al Sharpton is a pillar of hope for the downtrodden – a champion for the underdog.
Not everybody is worthy enough to put the title of ‘Reverand’ in front of their name.
and you posted that with a straight face? You NEED to move to hollywierd and look for work…..
I’m now the Reverend Smith
All he is missing is his red cape and blue tights!
Here’s the thing. If you guys never inserted anything into your ass before, and you’re nervous and struggling, one inch could feel like a damn foot and a half. When you’re tensed up from struggling and anxiety, your asshole clenches. The nerves in your rectum are extremely sensitive. I wouldn’t take his 7 inches as testimony because unless he had stepped out of his body and watched it, he’d have NO way of knowing. But I can understand that he might have felt like it was 7 inches.
Either way, 7 inches, 1 inch, I don’t care. It’s fucking inappropriate and the officer should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. As an officer of the law you do your damn job: protect and serve. You should hold yourself to those standards and SHAME ON YOU if you think you’re above the law just because you’re obligated to enforce it. You weren’t protecting anybody by inserting anything into any orifice, and you weren’t serving anything but your own sick nature. I find myself distrusting a poilce officer whenever they’re around. Too many don’t take that job to help people anymore. Too many take it to get off on the power.
If it happened to a child, or a woman, or a regular ass stand up softspoken white guy it wouldn’t even be an issue. What is this, Thailand? Since when is someone’s character on trial?
Maybe, but there’s a lot more than just the how far the baton was inserted into Mineo’s rectum. He testified that it was rammed – RAMMED – up his butt 4 times. Also, this happened on a crowded subway station in front of dozens of witnesses, and none of them saw things the way Mineo says they happened, not even his “star witness”, Officer Maloney. Even he (Maloney) didn’t think anything bad happened until 2 full days later, when Mineo started whining and made him start doubting his own eyes.
I got the impression that Kenin Msloney wasn’t nearly the great witness the articles made him out to be. He showed at least half of Mineo’s story to be incorrect at best. Little things like stuff people said that Officer Maloney testified he never heard, to big things like him not seeing Officer ram the baton up Mineo’s rectum four times.
No, Mineo’s a liar, I pretty convinced of that – the real problem these cops face if the image previous incidents have given the NYPD.
The bottom line is this – Does it make sense that three NYPD cops would abuse a prisoner in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses, some of which were bound to have phone cameras? The answer is, of course, no.
Therefore, according to Max’s law of common sense, if it doesn’t make sense, it most likely isn’t true.
I’m not so sure. I think a cop that’s a witness would say it was less than it was to cover some asses because of what happened to Justin Volpe and friends. New York City has already shelled out $50k in settlements due to excessive force lawsuits filed against Richard Kern. They were later alleged to be lies, but why settle if you’re not wrong? I think civilian witnesses aren’t always credible. First of all, I’ve seen a guy get thrown down and arrested mere feet away from me. I couldn’t see much of him being that he was surrounded by cops. I definitely wouldn’t have seen his bottom if a cop was straddling him. In my hometown a cop savagely beat a bartender. There were several witnesses who DID NOTHING and a security camera caught it all on video and it is a very telling video at that. There is no mistake that he beat down a woman HALF his size. Not only that, there is another security video from another establishment hours earlier depicting him beating somebody else. He got off with community service and an imposed curfew.
My impression of Kevin Maloney is that he kept his mouth shut, then got scared and tattled, but tried to make it sound as least scathing as possible. The stuff that Kevin Maloney claimed to not hear, another officer did claim to hear. Just because Kevin Maloney’s ears are full of shit doesn’t mean it wasn’t said.
In my opinion, if Mineo is guilty of anything, it’s grandstanding. Out and out lying? I’m not sure. I’d like to see this hole in the boxers. I’d wonder how old these boxers are (gross). I think the hole that’s there is plausible if they ripped them, there was a material flap, and he pulled the rest off. That’s a stupid move on his part, but lets be honest – he probably couldn’t pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Once my boyfriend tossed me over his shoulder and threatened to throw me in the pool, I reached down and grabbed a hold of his underwear to commence with the wedgie of doom if he did throw me, and my thumb went right through the material. It left a similar sounding tear/hole and when we teared the flapping material off it was square-ish. People saying he’d have more injuries from an asp are right if it WAS 7 inches in, I doubt it was, I think it just felt that bad for him. A couple inches though probably doesn’t isnt any bigger than a giant crap but since it’s less malleable than feces could definitely cause bleeding tears. Like I said before, if ANY part of ANY thing was put into an orifice, 7 inches in or a half an inch in…it’s just not right. Your star witness will tell you that much at least.
I hope the NYPD proves me wrong. But here in Chicago cops are just as crooked if not moreso. It’d be nice to have faith in the law enforcement. Especially the young fresh ones who think they’re hot shit because they carry a gun.
Also I wonder how two doctors could have conflicting testomonies. Dr. Syed Ahmed testified that his injuries were consistent with Mineo’s claims, then Dr. Frank Sconzo says they aren’t. Granted, while Dr. Sconzo is the butt expert, they’re both credible doctors. Dr. Ahmed has been practicing in NY near on 20 years while Dr. Sconzo has been for near 30. I was hoping to find some background info on either one of them. Either one of them is lying, or one of them is dumb.
That happens a lot, Harley. The conflicting medical exams. Exams are a lot more subjective than people realize. And, sometimes the doctors just say flaky things. I’ve typed reports where the doctor dictates a procedure, talks about severe pain, the patient complaining, muscle spasms,morphine being administered, and then at the end s/he goes “The patient tolerated the procedure well!” They say things out of habit or just cuz . . . who knows.
Ugh, can we get an edit post function here? :) I’ll buy more coffee mugs to help pay for it.
Any way one FINAL thing I was wondering is, they chased him through a park, over turnstiles, and through a subway station to subdue him. They wanted to arrest him. Why after all that trouble, did they just let him go with diorderly conduct? If you put him in lockup and he makes those allegations, you’re going to get caught before you can figure out how to cover your ass. They all wanted their hands on him and when they got him, something happened to change their minds. Wonder what that could be?
Things don’t add up with Mr. Mineo’s claim.
Unless he was passively laying there allowing a baton up his ass–there would be a lot more tearing, bruising, blood. The anal tissues are thin and somewhat delicate. The force needed to tear thru cotton boxers and penetrate resisting anal muscles would be a lot greater then the resulting ‘injuries’ suggest happened.
Also, there should be fecal matter on the baton. The boxers should be ripped–not cut. The pant and/or underwear should show signs of blood.
Lastly, WHY? Why would a cop do something like this–in a public area, where people could easily walk by? Over a pot smoking ticket?
Don’ get me wrong, I live in NYC and I know some cops are very petty/power-hungry/abusive (Although, not the majority!!) but this tale seems too weak to be true.
Ironically, I think the fact that Al Sharpton hasn’t gotten involved show the weakness of the story. He’ll seek media atention at the drop of a hat; so, if he is keeping a low profile…”Something is rotten in the state of Denmark!”
Just my opinion….
Yes! Thank you for mentioning what should have been evident to the cops’ lawyers — where is the fecal matter? If they got DNA from the baton, then I guarantee fecal matter would be present. Unfortunately, not enough people wash their hands anymore and a lot of everyday infections are caused by our connection with our own fecal microbes (just listen to John Tesh and you to can become a germ-phobe).
Anyway, that was one of the things that bothered me about his version of events. And 7 inches? He would not have been able to walk very well and would have had obvious injuries from the rupturing tissues.
Now, try to visualize a man on his stomach with another man standing over him, leaning down slightly and repeatedly ramming almost the full extent of the baton in the prone man’s rectum — nope. No matter how hard you try to visualize this scenario will Mineo’s account make sense.
BTW, does anyone recall an event in NY years ago where some rogue cops DID sodomize an immigrant and the guy ended up in critical condition in the hospital? In that case, the guy was severely damaged and wasn’t making trips after his assault to Sharpton’s office.
Rev. Sharpton isn’t the issue here. The NYC Police are the issue here. And as anyone who has lived in NYC knows, they are a disgrace to the uniform. How many trials like this does it take before people realize that?????
Ah, but it is about Fat Al, just as much as it’s about a few bad cops in the NYPD. For every case like Abner Louima there are thousands and thousands of good, clean arrests made by good cops. But guys like al Sharpton along with the tabloid journalism you get from The Daily News, NewsDay and the NY Post make such a fuss about every screw up that folks begin to think every police officer in NYC is an ass raping villain. And that creates the climate where a guy like Michael Mineo can make an overblown, untruthful claim against three cops who may or may not have been a little rough with his dumb self.
This is the thing that bothers me the most – Mineo started all this by running from the police, he says because he didn’t want to have his probation violated. He’s already got a record, he’s smoking dope in a public place, he’s on probation, he ran from the cops…..But it’s the police officers who have to defend themselves from HIS accusations, in spite of the lack of solid proof that anything happened. I mean, Mineo is Gay, so anal fissure wouldn’t be an unusual find, would they? There’s no DNA that proves he was assaulted with Officer Kern’s baton, right?
Now what’s wrong with this picture?
Fat Al LOL
*SIGH* Oh Max, you’re right on the button here. :)
Here in Canada it’s even worse. If a cop has to resort to physical force to subdue some miscreant, then they know they can be hauled up on charges of using “excessive force” and have to go through the whole process of getting a lawyer and going to court and yadda yadda yadda.
I know there are some bad apples in law enforcement (I just finished doing a paper on the excesses by New Orleans officers during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina – the whole orchard is BAD — LOL), but the majority of cops are hard working men and women who, thankfully, want to risk their lives for you and me.
Up here, their equipment is often outdated, training remains on commanders *wish list*, and pay sucks in most places. City managers cut police & fire services if statistics support it, so screw job security. Why people still join the force is beyond me, but I’m damn grateful someone is willing to put up with all the bullshit to protect my butt!!
(steps off soapbox)
Thankx Max,
:-D
Its the bad cases like Louima’s that give rise to the Sharpton’s and the Mineos as well. The bad cases affect many things for many years. They don’t happen in isolation.
ahhhhh yes every single person on the force is dirty. Selling drugs, raping with batons, beating up the innocent. Damn how do they even find time to make arrests?
Candi I am sure you have all the proof you need for your wondeful statment right? I mean you must have proof that 100% of all NYPD officers are dirty right?
Hey! I live and work in NYC! I disagree that the NYPD are the issue. I think they do a wonderful job the majority of the time. Yes, there are some real assholes on the force; but the majority are hard working, underpaid, cops who have to put up with more then their fair share of belligerent, arrogant, aggressive New Yorkers–and they do so within the law. The easy answer is ‘blame the cops!’ but usually, that is bullshit!! Perhaps if criminals didn’t resist, struggle, fight, the cops wouldn’t have to escalate their attempts to control the situation
Cops are not average citizens; they are to be respected.
Christ, I’m glad I live in California, where so many people smoke weed that the cops don’t even bother confiscating your weed pipe and stash if they find it. To get a ticket in Cali you practically have to be smoking the joint directly in front of the cop.
I have had, swear to God, my nice weed pipe “disappear” during a call-out to police when someone threatened violence at my home. The only people who went into the room other than myself were the cops. They did, however, leave my bag of weed on the dresser.
As for this story, sorry, my policy is that I usually don’t trust the police any farther than I can throw them. And if you want cash out of a lawsuit, you usually don’t go through the humiliation of claiming you were ass-raped by the cops. God knows there’s easier, more socially acceptable ways to get lawsuit money out of the police department.
The amount of money he’s asking for is what makes me suspicious. $400,000,000? that’s $100,000,000 per jab.
Could be that while Mineo was down, the cops prodded his butt with the baton, not jabbing in, but just poking the outside. Which was inappropriate and wrong, by all means punish them for that, but if tht’s what happened, it’s hardly the same as being anally raped. But maybe it gave Mineo some ideas.
Anyone remember the story about the Washington state engineer who died after anal sex with a horse. Now, could there be some similarities here? Is the junk on a horse about the same size, shape, as this baton? Maybe not, but if so, would Mineo have gotten off so lightly? The engineer who died was participating voluntarily. Wasn’t Mineo under restraint? And if so, wouldn’t his injuries be more severe, not less, than those of someone who at least had some mobility?
Just sayin.
Now if you’ll all excuse me I’m gona go give my brain a nice shower, it feels all dirty and foul after contemplating the above.
I am soooooo sorry I watched that death-by-horse-sex video. I couldn’t get that shit out of my head for WEEKS.
Shudder.
Oh you brave soul! My husband and I watched “Zoo” but that was as much as we could take, hee hee. What’s funny is to watch on Youtube people’s reactions to 2 Men and a Horse. Some of them are hysterical.
Man…those cops could jab me in the ass too..I want four hundred million bucks.
lol
I kinda want to beleive the guy. I think the officers were having fun with what they thought waas just some punk smoking dope. I dout theyy actually wanted to sexually assault him, and just wanted to give him a hard time. I dont know, i wasnt there, and case facts are facts as told by lawyers, so who knows. What i do know is, a guy like that usually wouldnt run around saying he got stuck in the butt!
I dunno, Penny; if he thought he could get $400,000,000, he might. An awful lot of money. A person couldn’t spend half that in a lifetime. If he’s a denizen of the piercing and tattooing world, I mean really into it, he might also be into self aggrandizement and drama.
I don’t Penny. As much as I want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, I think he may be doing this to gain attention, and IF (slight FAT chance it will happen) he wins the suit, he’s going to be buying more drugs to smoke (and possibly sell on the street to young kids).
I mean…I agree with vcbecky…he was stupid enough to smoke a joint in public.
Why wouldn’t he be stupid enough to press charges based on a false claim and try to sue three police officers just doing their job?
Now I don’t really think that smoking a joint in a park means that as soon as you get a large sum of money you’re going to blow it on drugs and then sell them to kids. Pot and tattoos are harmless. This isn’t Reefer Madness. There’s a lot of unnecessary profiling going on here.
Maybe what VCBecky and motherof3 mean — I’m just guessing here — is that the public joint smoking is a sign of something bigger, a symptom of a whole life of bad judgment.
Anyhow that’s my take on it.You’re right on the surface it is such a minor thing, but just from what I read about this guy, I have a feeling his existence is all about getting into risky situations and making decisions that most people would stay away from.
Heavens to Mergatroid, I’m not anti-pot! Hell, I might be stoned right now! I can’t remember because I’ve been stoned since the last time I was stoned so… yeah. What was I saying? ;)
E. translated my wordy babble correctly. There is a time and a place for practically everything. Just use your damned head, and if you can’t do that, follow the same laws as you would with alcohol. You don’t hang out in parks with a beer in most places. You don’t drink and drive. You don’t give alcohol to anyone under 21 even if they ask for it. You don’t buy alcohol for minors. You don’t drink around schools. See where I’m going with this?
It’s also a matter of having respect for those around you. This guy lacks respect, plain and simple. He hasn’t enough respect for the court system to lower his voice and try to remain calm and rational. If he had the truth on his side, would he need to be so vehement? He doesn’t appear to have confidence in the strength of his case, or he’d be more relaxed and matter-of-fact about it. He’s an attention whore, like any reality TV ‘star’. He’s Anal Rape Snooki and he’s going to do more harm than good.
Has any lab tested the hole in his boxers for evidence, or is he brandishing them like the Veil of Veronica and not letting anyone near his relic?
Incidentally, I will feel bad and apologize for thinking he’s a liar if this guy turns out to be a genuine victim. I just don’t see that being the case.
OW! My ass!
My exact words after a night of hard drinking… >:)
If you ram a metal baton into someones arm, and more than once, you’re going to have a significant bruise and possibly bleeding.
If you ram an un-lubricated metal baton into someones pooper through their dry and absorbent boxers, especially more than once, you’re going to have significant tearing, bleeding, bruising. There would be some imprint or bruise in the shape of the baton somewhere on the buttocks outside of the anus because it’s not like the cop was in a position to aim. The anus is small. The buttcrack is large. He would have missed at least once especially through fabric.
That little hole in his boxers… he probably farted and made it himself. There would be blood on the boxers. Blood on the pants. Fecal matter on the baton. A larger, more dirty hole on the boxers than that little opening.
I don’t doubt he was treated with more force than was probably necessary even though he ran. I strongly doubt that he was anally penetrated, especially with any kind of force. Gay or not, used to it or not, you really do have to be relaxed for that kind of thing to happen without trauma. Being arrested isn’t a relaxing experience from what I’ve heard. An angry, stressed out bunghole isn’t very accommodating to a sharp metal baton.
I think he’s making more of a stink (punny!) than is necessary. If he had stuck to a police brutality charge, that might have been believable especially with witnesses. But forceful and repeated baton buggery? C’mon.
Unless his ass is a constant gaping, echoing chasm that he keeps lubed, and the cop was spelunking more gently than was reported, in my opinion there’s just no physical way he was raped with a baton. I think he’s a dumbass attention whore who wanted his 15 minutes at any cost. Anyone who smokes pot in public in broad daylight is a fool. I mean, you can’t walk around outside with a beer in most states, WTF are you doing with a joint or whatever he had?
STOP — MAKING — ME — LAUGH
“angry, stressed out bunghole”
I keep hearing Beavis (a/k/a Cornholio)
You give me tp for my bunghole!
Are you threatening me? ARE YOU THREATENING ME??
You said exactly what I was thinking regarding the jabs being unlikely to enter the anus without lube or adequate visualization (although you said it much better than I could have). Seriously, what are the odds of four jabs going into the hole precisely, seven inches??? That’s like saying “He punched me in the mouth 4 times, and with each swing his fist entered my mouth 7 inches and caused tearing to my throat”. Ridiculous! Who would believe that? No one! So why should a jury believe a struggling, partially clothed guy, who was allegedly butt rammed by a baton in the same fashion? The theory is just as cartoonish. Need more proof? Ok, take your index finger, extend it the full 3 inches that it probably is, and swing it up toward your nose as fast as you can 4 times. If you even get an inch into either of your nostrils 4 consecutive times, you win the prize of being stupid enough to try. The finger/nostril size ratio makes it more likely that you will succeed than the baton/anus size ratio. Good luck with defending this fool after that one. Take me into the court of law and let me present the challenge to the jury lol. I don’t want to see this asshole get money out of this bullshit.
BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!
I *was* thinking that unless Mr Mineo has regular consensual relations with a horse, then the ‘ramming’ as he described it would definitely leave more damage than he had….
But your take on it made me snort my tea when I guffawed!! :-)
Meanwhile the birdys in my house think I’ve lost my everlovin’ mind.
Thanks for the chuckle.
Of course the Police will get off…the justice system is on thier side because the are a part of the government and they protect thier own. The police the biggest GANGSTERS in the world! I believe this man and whomever doesnt beleive he would put himself through so much shame for publicity is seriously jaded. This happens wayyyy too many times where sexual or physical abuse cases against the Police are dismissed or shown as not having enough evidence and is always downplayed and many times swept under the rug. I say this with experience, especially as a young person of visable minority. Those three officers should be the ones going to hell for putting someone thru such a traumatic experience…Im sure its not the first time they assaulted someone, 90% of Police officers go for the job because they love the “power” over others. Sick.
90% are in it for the power, huh? Link please to back up that statistic.
I have never had a run-in with any police, aside from the rare traffic ticket and neither have my friends of various ‘races’. I am not someone who flouts the law, nor do I hang with that type of person so that could be why. This guy has a criminal record, and he’s obviously a jackass. “Obviously” how, you ask? I would draw your attention towards the reason the police were chasing him in the first place. Again, can you walk down most streets in America with an open alcohol container in your hand that you’re swilling from? Can you do that legally outdoors in most places even though alcohol is legal in most places? No, right? Why would he be so blatant with an illegal substance, especially if he’s on probation and has a prior record? Hey, I know! Maybe because he’s a douchebag!
Put the race card back in the deck and throw the whole thing away. Catch up to this decade, please, and realize that angle is tired and worn-out and only referred to by people who have a false sense of entitlement about “90%” of the time. Same thing with cop-bashing. Sure there are bad eggs in every batch, but the same can be said for any large group. This doesn’t have to do with race, this has to do with brutality, stupidity and self-aggrandizement.
Not everyone is ashamed of anal sex, so not everyone would feel embarrassed to say they were anally raped. Dispense with the naivete please. Knowing there are people who are more offended by anal than vaginal rape in this world, it’s easy for someone who’s alright with anal sex to stick by such a story with no shame if they’re faking it.
From what I can tell, there is no clear evidence of anal penetration. If the police are found innocent of brutality, I think they should check into the whole ‘nuisance lawsuit’ angle against this douche for wasting everyone’s time and tarnishing the reputation of the police department.
i beg to differ…but as the daughter of a retired NYPD officer, I can assure you, my father was never in the department for “power”. He was in there to make the world safer for his children and family. He did his job humbly with great regard for the public. Sure, there are a few bad apples…but most police officers get into the field for the right reasons. They are noble people and should be respected.
And I how you can thank him for me.
When I was 12 I had a paper rout. Loved it. Getting out making a little money and finding a little indipendence. One day I had just picked up my papers and had left on my rout when I was jumped by 3 guys. Bigger and older than me. I fought back as much as I could but 3 against one?
Ayway I went home and told my parents and they called the police. I was scared. I though I had done something wrong. B U T The kindest most gentle man walked in to the house. He was huge and with the uniform and gun….well you can imagine.
He kneeled down in front of me and told me that I had done nothing wrong. It was going to be OK and the boys who did this were going to be punished. I have no idea why but I believed him. I trusted him and knew it was all good.
He asked few questions but we got through my statement and told me that I did a great job and that he would take care of things.
After that day when I saw him he would stop me and ask me how was school or how I was doing. He made sure I was OK.
I found him on Facebook last month. He doesn’t remember me but told me that a lot of people were looking for him and were thanking him.
So who ever tells me that all cops are dirty just becasue of a very few then I say suck my balls!
Bless your dad.
Amen to that sentiment – noble and in it for the right reasons.
God bless your dad and the men and women like him.
from me & the fids
I don’t think the “power” comes with a police officer… I think it’s way more higher up then that, congress… talking politics. anyways, police don’t have power, unless you are in their radar, which you shouldn’t be in the first place. i’d say 90% of police officers are in it for helping the world, country w/e you prefer.
Really, sad face?
I’m going to go ask my landlords, since they are both officers of the law.
In plainclothes, they are nice, decent, respectable people and DO NOT expect anyone to kiss their feet when in uniform.
I think you only said that because you may have had a bad experience with a police officer due to your own stupidity.
It’s nothing about power.
“for if there weren’t police officers, the law wouldn’t be upheld to the fullest extent.”
Cops (while there may be some bad’uns in the mix) are here to protect and serve, and risk their lives daily so you can go to bed at night feeling safe, and secure.
Power my ass.
90 percent of officers are in it to PROTECT.
Remember that when you are on your knees in a gas station while some thug is holding you hostage with a shotgun.
Really – Have you followed this trial at all? Because I have, and it seems to me that the prosecution is doing a great job of making Kern, Cruz ans Morales appear to be guilty – in other words, the D.A. is doing his job. Don’t talk out of your ass without knowing at least a few of the facts. We’re not into conspiracy theories on this board, so don’t waste you breath.
for a minute there, I was thinking you were talking to me…then I scrolled down and realized…you were talking to sad face…..
right?
And here you sit making accusation based on……wait for it………..patience it’s coming……………………………………..NOTHING. You have no proof what so ever. You make accusations yet you have nothing to back them up. Ya know what? That is slander and you can and should be sued for it. But then again you would pull a race card get Jessie Jackson and Al sharpot on your side and all would be well. Little children in adult bodies make me sick and disgusted with people in general.
When you grow up please come back. Untill then shut the hell up you have no creditability at all
Damn, it feels good to be a Gangsta, ;)
Oh stop being a whinyass crybaby. I don’t doubt you’ve had a lot of experience with the police, but you sound llke a thoughtless self pitying person who makes a lot of bad decisions and/or thinks they’re entitled to behave a certain way, just cuz they wanna, and then screams when they get into trouble. Like Chris Rock says “If you make the police chase after you, they gonna bring an ass kickin with em.” Ok just a joke, and seriously I don’t approve of the cops kicking anyone’s ass, even if a good reason exists. I know it happens, but as much as you say it does? Please. I smell paranoia throughout your post. “The justice system, the government” — the “biggest gangsters in the world”? Bigger than the Khmer Rouge? (I’m probably misspelling that.) The Mafia? Vikings? Read your history. If you didn’t sound so damn ignorant you might get some respect.
Yeah, I don’t approve of me using unnecessary force either. I almost got my ass handed to me a few years ago for excessive force and aggravated assault, in front of probably 15 people. The only reason the charges were dropped is because they threatened to sic me on the bastard again… Oh, didn’t I mention? He shook his baby boy so hard that the little angel still can’t walk. And he locked his wife out of the house in her underwear… Granted, I may have thought I was in the right, but I should have been the bigger person and taken him down with only the barest amount of force needed. So I owe alot to the people that save my, ahem, BACON.
See? This is what I mean. You showed restraint, you just don’t think you did as you lost a teeny bit of self-control. :-)
I wouldn’t last a day in the force as I wouldn’t have stopped punching and kicking the a-hole. I KNOW my limitations. I have the utmost respect and a certain awe struck wonder for the men and women in blue who get exposed to the worst society has to offer and remain SANE and above-reproach in their conduct (by not cleaning out the gene pool with a little javex).
I am still flummoxed by the rules that demand cops catch the bad guys, even tho’ that may mean running or driving at breakneck speed after these criminals, with all the hormones and adrenaline pumping through their bodies, and then stopping on a dime and not reacting like every other human on the planet would!!
Essentially, we’re saying “Oh yes, thanks for catching this f*cktard, but don’t you dare infringe on his ‘rights’” — even though he’s just pissed all over someone else’s right to a life without being beaten, robbed, raped, conned, or whatever. Man, I’ll never understand how we, as a civilization, went from executing children for stealing bread to actually entertaining idiots like Mineo who claim to have been assaulted and are looking for $$$$$$.
Anyway, thanks NavyCop for the service you provide — you obviously believe that there are people worth protecting in our society and for that, bless you!
Thanks Budgiegirl. The people I hate the most are the ones who hurt women and children. So when it’s other military personnel, it just compounds the issue. Unfortunatly I can’t put that story up here, because I was one of the investigating officers. Damn military rules.
A chief who ranks high in my respect once said, “The Master-At-Arms rate lives in glass houses. You are the face of the Navy. If you break the law, how can you enforce it?” I keep those words in mind with every traffic stop, every parking ticket, and every domestic. Words to live by, not just for MP’s, but also civilian law enforcement. If the Police are breaking the rules, how can they enforce them?
To describe exactly what happened to asshat in Georgia, I tackled him like an NFL linebacker, then his face met the pavement, several times; my size 9 and a half extra wide steel toed boots made good friends with his ribs; and the top of his head got well acquianted with the door of my cruiser. So it is understandable that my CO thought I was a liability to the force. I would think the same thing. It is also understandable that the base commander wanted me gone that very same day. It’s beyond my understanding as to how the charges were dropped. The Commanding Officer had just gone into deliberation with the Executive Officer when another junior sailor came in and told him that the charges had been dropped. The Old Man looked at me and said “Shipmate, I hope you know just how close you came to going to the brig and being processed out of my Navy. We were just deciding how long you had left on my base. Get out of my sight and don’t let me see you again. Anywhere. Period.” I threw up in the hallway outside his office.
I’ve since learned to control my rage at supremely imbecilic offenders, but it’s hard to reign in. It takes an obscene amount of self-control.
Not true at all! Even if they did nothing wrong, the publicity toward the case might cost them their jobs. These days, if someone accuses another in the right way, they can get away with causing serious damage to the person they are accusing. I have seen this happen to an officer that I know very well. I am not going to get into specifics, but I will say he was punished for doing his job because someone complained about it, and it ended up on the news. After a serious fight he got his job back, but he suffered months of financial problems and ridiculous publicity because of it. A criminal that he had arrested several times prior to that even approached him in public and told him that he didn’t believe a word of what was on the news, because he knew what kind of cop he really was, and he would never do what he was accused of. That says a lot more than the news does. Hell, I’ve even gotten written up at work because someone complained about something ridiculous, and I know other people who have lost their jobs because of it similar complaints. P.S. Classifying cops in the way that you are, is stereotyping, which puts your comments in the same category as racist comments. Don’t your words sound familiar? Generalizations like that do not paint a good picture for you.
Did you even read the post you idiot? You are saying all 3 should go to hell? Even the one testifying FOR the defense? It’s always an IDIOT like you hates the cops. Feel free to not call them when you need them… I’m sure they don’t want to risk their lives to save a turd like you.
While i do know there are corrupt cops out there, there are good ones who risk there lives and sometimes die in the line of duty. Do you think all the cops who responded during 9/11 are gangsters too?
You know, I was just thinking about something. Have you ever tried to push a object shaped like a police baton through thin fabric like they use in boxer shorts? You usually don’t get a round hole. The fabric almost always rips in some kind of straight line, unless the object has a point. Try it and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Get a rod or stick with a blunt end and try to push it through a piece of non-stretch cloth. The object you use can’t have any sharp edges.
And another thing – Boxer shorts are loose fitting. It’s not like they fabric was stretched tight across the crack of his ass. It would been shoved partly up Mineo’s rectum before it ripped, so there would have been feces on them too – there was no mention of that in the testimony I read. Not to mention how far they would have to have been shoved up his butt before the fabric tore, and we know from Officer Maloney’s testimony that it could only have been one-half to one inch.
I’m telling you, this kid Mineo’s story makes less and less sense the more I think about it, and those damn shorts are the smoking gun, so to speak.
ummmmmmmm Max I am calling foul! Scroll up and you will see a post of mine from yesterday where I said pretty much the same thing…..
that will be one beer and one shot on you :)
Ha! See, I knew this was too good a theory to have come out of my head. *laugh* . I’m a plagiarist at heart, anyways, even when I’m not trying to be.
If I ever make it to Germany, I’ll buy you that boilermaker brother.
You know, Max, that might not be the BEST question to pose to some of the esteemed members here ;) Present Company included, lol. We Navy Po-lice are kinky bastards, lol. hahaha
Well, I wasn’t going to go there NavyCop, but does anyone want to see pictures of MY tighty whities? I have a few pairs with mysterious holes in them.
BTW, welcome back kid.
Sure send them my way :)
It’s good to be back as my old sarcastic jaded self, Max. Just slap me around if I get preachy.
Waht did they find during the rectal exam? If=since the boxer shorts have a perfect circle torn in them it would be safe to assume that SOME of the material was left in the anus…
I’m just as anti-establishment as the next 80′s baby-cum-hippie, but um, as I see it… This guy was smoking in public, which probably pissed the cops off enough to rough him up. But I’m just really not buying something about this story… Two things in particular in fact…
1) If the attack was as brutal as suggested, there SHOULD be more physical evidence. Period. Blood, ragged undies, fecal material on the baton, tearing/bruising, SOMETHING. But what we have here technically doesn’t pass the reasonable doubt sniff test.
2) He contacted Sharpton. RED. FUCKING. FLAG.
(Missed you guys…)
Have you ever had a baton rammed up your butt? Maybe it felt like 7 inches to him! I am sure if it did it hurt like h— and perhaps he has no frame of reference for length of objects in his rectum. The other cop said he saw some of the baton disappear…into WHAT? I’d go with the wacky, weed head accuser.
I have, but I asked the individual to do it, off duty. Military police like me can be kinky bastards. However, on a more serious note, if it had indeed been shoved into his rectum, it would have caused severe internal bleeding. This is a collapsible piece of steel we are talking about, not a flexible piece of human flesh and cartilage. Perhaps the other officer’s field of vision was obscured by Mineo’s buttocks? I’d go with the law enforcement officers and the emergency room doctors on this one. No rectal bleeding was reported, no fecal matter was found during evidence collection (of course it could have been wiped clean, but not all of the fecal matter would have been removed) and lastly, there would have been an L shaped tear in Mineo’s pants/boxers, not a round hole, which could have been caused by routine wear and tear.
Excessive force is needed in certain situations, yes.
Situations that include the harming of a child.
killing another human being.
harming a helpless animal.
and racists.
Appropriate force is necessary. Excessive force would be more than is necessary. Some force would be more than other force, of course. The cops are not there to be arresting officers, judge , jury and executioner. I disagree.