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    UPDATE: Jordan Brown

    BOY, 12, FACES GROWN UP MURDER CHARGES
    excerpts from an article by Stephanie Chen – CNN News

    On a chilly morning in February 2009, state police found 26-year-old Kenzie Houk in her bed with a bullet though her head. She was eight months pregnant.

    The search for her killer ended with the most surprising murder suspect residents of Wampum, Pennsylvania, had ever seen: 11-year-old Jordan Brown, the son of the victim’s fiancé.

    He is one of the youngest suspects in the country to be charged with homicide, legal experts say. There are two counts of homicide, one covering the fetus.

    He pleaded not guilty to the charges in May.

    In Pennsylvania, there is no lower limit for the age someone can be charged as an adult with criminal homicide. If convicted, Jordan, now 12, faces life in prison without the possibility of parole.

    The question of age is being raised in the Supreme Court this year where the practice of sentencing young people younger than 14 to life in prison without parole is being challenged.

    After nearly a year of silence, Jordan’s family, friends and attorney are bringing attention to the case as more court hearings loom. They say Jordan is innocent and should be tried in juvenile court. This month, they will launch the Jordan Brown Trust Fund to raise money for his defense.

    A decertification hearing, at which Jordan’s attorneys will ask the judge to move the case to the juvenile system, began this month. A decision on whether the case will be tried in the juvenile system or adult courts will likely be made in March, attorneys say.

    The suspect’s father has not publicly discussed the case, and CNN has been unable to reach him for comment.

    “Our first step is decertification, because we feel like he is amenable to juvenile rehabilitation,” said attorney Dennis Elisco of New Castle, Pennsylvania. “Not only do I know he’s amenable, but I know he’s innocent.”

    In almost half the states across the country, children can be prosecuted and tried in adult court, according to the University of Texas’ Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs. Many of the laws passed were passed during a time when juvenile crime spiked in the 1980s and 1990s.

    But sentencing experts say a majority of homicide cases involving children as young as Jordan are tried in juvenile courts, where the records remain sealed and sentences are less harsh.

    At the time of the slaying, Jordan was a chubby fifth-grader with dark brown hair and an energetic smile. He liked riding bikes and reading Harry Potter books. Since the third grade, he played quarterback in his community’s football league.

    Family and friends describe him as an “all-American boy.”

    On weekends, Jordan hunted alongside his father, Chris Brown, who purchased the youth-sized 20-gauge shotgun state police believe was the murder weapon. The gun was given to Jordan as a present for Easter, and the boy’s lawyers say he only used it for hunting.

    Jordan’s family friends say they never saw him exhibit any violent behavior. And he had no prior brushes with the law.

    “He always got along with everybody, and he was always smiling,” said Lonnie McConahy, 43, a co-trustee of the Jordan Brown Trust Fund. “It was always ‘yes, sir’ and ‘no, ma’am.’ ”

    After his arrest, Jordan was placed in the Lawrence Country Jail, a facility for adults. But authorities transferred him to a juvenile center in March after his attorneys argued that the adult jail couldn’t accommodate an 11-year-old.

    Most juveniles who enter the Edmund L. Thomas Adolescent Detention Center come and go within a few weeks. But Jordan has spent a birthday and Christmas there. He missed a much-anticipated fifth-grade overnight field trip to Gettysburg and didn’t get to play his final year on the junior football league.

    His attorneys say Jordan is still unable to grasp the magnitude of what is happening to him. He is doing well in counseling, his attorneys and family say.

    Jordan’s detention facility locker holds his books and board games. His school friends and football teammates shower him with letters, cards and magazines.

    He is showing signs of reaching puberty. He has grown several inches and has gained about 20 pounds. He’s starting to look like a teenager.

    Although it is rare to charge someone so young as an adult in the United States, the prosecutor in the case says Pennsylvania law left him with little choice.

    In the case of homicide, “my choice is either to charge him as an adult, or don’t charge him,” said John Bongivengo of the Lawrence County District Attorney’s Office. “Not charging him at all wasn’t feasible.”

    It also is rare for an 11-year-old to commit a violent crime. In his 30-year analysis of juvenile homicides, Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox found about 500 cases of children younger than 11 who were suspected of murder.

    The U.S. Supreme Court took into account the growing body of adolescent brain research in 2005 when it banned the death penalty for juveniles.

    “For all of the reasons the Supreme Court has rejected imposing the death penalty on children and all the new brain research, those reasons are magnified when thinking about a child as young as 11,” said Marsha Levick, director of the Juvenile Law Center in Philadelphia.

    Jordan’s defense argues that there are no witnesses to connect him to the crime, but prosecutors are relying on the statements of the victim’s oldest daughter, who was 7 at the time. She told authorities she heard a loud boom before leaving for school with Jordan.

    That sound, prosecutors say, was the noise of a 20-gauge youth shotgun that state police believe is the weapon responsible for Houk’s slaying.

    But Jordan’s attorneys say the witness, now 8, is unreliable because she didn’t say she heard a “boom” the first two times police interrogated her. It wasn’t until a third round of questioning that she told them about the noise.

    The victim’s body was discovered by her youngest daughter, just 4.

    Prosecutors allege there was tension between Jordan and Houk, who had moved into the father’s farmhouse. They say Jordan was jealous of Houk and her two daughters. The unborn child was a boy.

    “There are no signs of forced entry,” Bongivengo added. “No signs of a robber or burglar.”

    Jordan’s supporters deny any rivalry or bad feelings between the boy and his would-be stepmother.

    Prosecutors also allege that there is strong physical evidence linking Jordan to the crime. Police found gunshot residue on Jordan’s shirt. A state trooper testified that the gun smelled like it had been freshly fired. His defense team argues that many of Jordan’s shirts and guns had residue because he frequently hunted with his father.

    And let the revisionists begin their assault on the truth.

    If I hadn’t been so interested in this case from the beginning, this story might have slipped by me like so many others do. But I remember everything about this story, and what Jordan Brown’s family wants us to believe about who he is doesn’t jive with who he was a year ago.

    They want us to believe he was the all-American boy who was friends with everyone, when the truth is he was a bully and a loner.

    They want us to believe he is completely innocent, when in fact, there are at least two witnesses that have said he threatened to do exactly what he did to Kenzie Houk. That’s called premeditation.

    They want us to think he shouldn’t be tried as an adult in any case, when there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that Jordan Brown took his shotgun and put a hole in the back of Kenzie’s head while she slept. He then destroyed evidence, established an alibi, and did his best to send the cops on a wild goose chase.

    Most adults who commit murder don’t plan it this well.

    No, Jordan Brown is a cold blooded murderer, and his age is not a factor in this particular situation. I agree, most 11-year-olds are not capable of committing such a heinous act and truly understanding what they’ve done.

    But not this evil little fucker. Take a really good look at his mug shot. Look into his eyes. What do you see?

    Nothing, that’s what you see – no fear, no remorse – nothing. He has the eyes of a killer. Shark eyes. And God help us all if he ever gets away with this.

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    Filed under Updates | . Written on March 2nd, 2010 by Max The Cat


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    290 Responses to “UPDATE: Jordan Brown”

    1. Kate says:
      March 2, 2010 at 11:29 am

      Let the creepy little fucker rot.

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      • David Dietz says:
        June 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm

        Aye-Fucking-Men! Never have more truer words flowed with such feverish fluidity. Let the creepy monster rot in jail so the rest of us can sleep without looking over our shoulders all night.

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      • professor says:
        August 9, 2010 at 11:08 pm

        Hes fuckin 12 years old and look around, people are killing each other in the iraq war and people are murdered in every other war that happened. Animals kill each other for food, humans are animals. If you think locking someone up will make the world safer then you are retarded, survival of the fittest. I believe the ladys family should either shoot the kid themselves or shut the fuck up.

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        • vcbecky says:
          August 9, 2010 at 11:43 pm

          You. Read all of the comments. Our answers don’t need to be repeated just because you’re lazy.

          Reply
        • vcbecky says:
          August 9, 2010 at 11:48 pm

          P.S., I don’t believe we covered this in the rest of the thread – He was not in a war and under orders (that’s not murder anyway), and as far as I can tell he wasn’t planning on eating her so what’s with the comparison to animals killing for food?

          I answered those two because no one else in this huge thread was stupid enough to make those comparisons, and I didn’t want to leave you hanging.

          You’re welcome.

          :)

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        • Mulch says:
          August 10, 2010 at 12:28 am

          OH so this kid was a soldier?

          Please post all the information you have of murder in Iraq? I have friends and comrades who have served. I have friends presently serving in Iraq. I am sure they would enjoy you calling them murders. They would like it so much that they would pay you a little visit in the middle of the night and have a “talk” with you. Should they no longer be among the living I would be proud to pay you a visit. You see I am a Gulf War veteran. I have been to Iraq myself.

          Fucking shitstain.

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        • Max The Cat says:
          August 10, 2010 at 6:49 am

          I think someone should shut the fuck up PROFESSOR!

          God, almighty, how do you answer a moron like this guy? Where do I even start? Ah, fuck it! I can’t save everybody, and I don’t really care enough to try with this guy.

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        • Jason says:
          August 10, 2010 at 7:11 am

          You have the mind of a 4-year-old. If I were to lay the groundwork for this and respond to you completely and effectively, you’d not understand half of the words I used. Words like fact, honesty, loyalty, civilization, society, social contract, rights, natural rights, the boundaries of rights, tribal societies, communal survival, communal evolution, etc. It would take you weeks just to look all of these words up and divine the definition, and then you’d have to have a context for them. In the end, you’d probably give up, but I’ll compromise for you, go look up those words and terms, concepts and ideas. Start from the beginning and when you get to the end, if you truly understand those words, you’ll be healed from this insanity.

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          • E says:
            August 10, 2010 at 8:35 am

            By the time he finishes looking the words up, he’ll have forgotten what the first ones mean and why he’s even doing it.

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    2. Jess says:
      March 2, 2010 at 12:12 pm

      It doesn’t matter if he’s 11 or 12 or 13.What he did was horrible and he should be locked up for life.This sorta reminds me of the Jasmine Richardson case.Let’s hope he won’t get a low 10 years like she did.He should be tried as an adult.Little asshole should suffer a bit and get what he deserves.

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    3. vcbecky says:
      March 2, 2010 at 12:21 pm

      If he’s sentenced to ‘life’ but gets parole in the future, he would have spent his most formative years behind bars. Is that any way to teach someone how to deal with society? Won’t that essentially fuck him up more?

      This demon spawn needs to stay behind bars but not in the pen. He should be studied in an institution for the rest of his life, to find out what makes this kind of monster tick.

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      • Mulch says:
        March 3, 2010 at 1:35 am

        OK I can see yer idea but I need some questions answered:

        1) Who will watch this person and guard this person?
        2) Where will this person be housed?
        3) Who will pay for the costs?

        heaper and easier to just hang the little fuck if found guilty.

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        • Budgiegirl says:
          March 3, 2010 at 6:34 am

          I’d love to see the bastard hang, but I don’t think that is likely. I have also been following the case from the beginning, when the lid wasn’t so firmly clamped down on the truth and the revisionists hadn’t got their act together about what a charming all-American boy this psycho is.

          Like the man says, take a look in his eyes. What is there? Nothing. An empty void that is really the embodiment of full evil. I would like to think that he’ll get his, but he won’t. Based on the studies I’ve done, there is NOTHING that can be salvaged from this waste of human organs. They are born like this — psychopathic — and IF they are fortunate, then there is a very very strong parent that can mold the person’s personality so that they don’t grow up to be total evil fucks, but that certainly won’t be the case here.

          Remember the Bulger boy in the UK? Well, one of the two “boys” that murdered him is back in prison as of yesterday for ‘violating’ the terms of his probation/release. They cannot be rehabilitated and they cannot be salvaged.

          The person I feel sorry for is Kenzie; her life was snuffed out by a little psycho bastard who should be tortured long and slow before his organs are harvested for some one who needs them.

          He’s a waste of space right now, and he’s using oxygen that is better suited for human beings.

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        • VCBecky says:
          March 4, 2010 at 12:17 am

          It’s always easier to kill them than try them. In most cases I’d be all for it. I think we’re way too lenient on crime in this country, which is why it’s got it’s hand on our balls right now. We’re being molested by crime, diddled if you will, and we’re not doing much to stop it. Most times when I read about verdicts on this site, I feel the ‘clammy claw of crime’ on my shaft and I don’t even have a shaft!

          I would be willing to have my tax dollars go to housing the little monster for his life if we were to study what makes him tick. He should be institutionalized. I strongly disagree with the idea of putting him in prison at any point.

          So I ask the rest of you, the ones who think he should just be locked up until his majority, put into adult prison after that and released when he’s about 30: what would he have learned about society and how to conduct himself as a law-abiding person by being in prison for pretty much his entire life at that point? Sure, there are reintegration classes and all, but this is straight integration, no ‘re’ about it. He would have had no prior experience in real life with normal people. What would he do? Would you really expect him to be able to function at that point?

          We lose all the way around on this thing, whether he’s sentenced as an adult or a juvenile. I’m damn glad I have nothing to do with it, just like Ben.

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          • Mulch says:
            March 4, 2010 at 1:06 am

            Becky I am not in any way against your idea but first questions need to be answered. Nothign can happen untill those questions are answered.

            The little snotrag could lie the whole time and give bullshit data. But trying to find out is better than burring our heads in the sand.

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    4. Ben says:
      March 2, 2010 at 12:24 pm

      Man, i don’t know, an 11-year old in 5th grade who hasn’t yet hit puberty seems a little young. It is particularly heinous that he killed simply out of jealousy. However, it also shows how immature and childish Brown was, which IMO is important before kids like this are tried as adults.

      The father here deserves some blame. You can’t leave a gun alone with an 11 year old. And what kind of manufacturer designs a shotgun “designed” for a child when it can kill a human being? That is disgusting.

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      • Mulch says:
        March 3, 2010 at 1:33 am

        Bed I recieved my first revolver when I was 5. I got my first shotgun when I was 7. I have never murdered anyone.

        You post is yet another example of the ignorant trying to make weapons evil tool of satan.

        When my daughter was 7 she got the same revolver I got when I was 5. That revolver has been in my family for damn near 80 years. Yes I can still get ammo for it. Well I make it myself.

        A firearn is only but a tool. Just like a hammer or a knife. Both can kill but you never see a loby out to ban them do you.

        Almost twice as many people were killed as a result of drunk driving than accidental shooting in Ameria last year. Hell more people died falling down in the shower than were killed by accidental shootings. Do you want to start banning showers?

        Don’t blame the weapon beause they don’t kill. Blame the person behind the gun.

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        • PastMeridian says:
          March 4, 2010 at 12:48 am

          Your choice of analogies is severely lacking. It would be illegal to allow an 11 year old to drive a car for precisely the same reason it ought to be illegal to allow an 11 year old to have access to a loaded shotgun, namely that he could hurt himself or someone else. I am willing to wager that most would not be in favor of allowing 11 year olds to drive. Personally I don’t want 16 year olds to drive. You can also bet that the parents would be held accountable if this were to happen.

          As to showers, you can’t really be serious with this comparison. If the kid had killed himself because he was clumsy it would never have been featured on this site (save perhaps for the father’s negligence). The chances that an idiot kid could take a loaded gun made available to him and proceed to do something stupid doesn’t take much of an imagination.

          You really can’t even claim that the kid subverted the intended purpose of the instrument he used. Guns are designed to kill. That is all they are designed to do, and they do it well.

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          • Mulch says:
            March 5, 2010 at 1:36 am

            You lack of comprihension skills are showing.

            You have yet to read all of my posts before responding. Your knee jerk reaction is amusing atleast. My post was designed to show that legal gun owners are safer than most other out there. But you flew right over that without thinking. I guess I have to spell everything out. Obviously I am dealing wiht a mental midget wiht you. and the anti gun loby claims that gun owners are stupid???? Yah OK. With people like you the fight is still easy.

            All weapons are designed to kill???? this statment shows your lack of knowlege and understanding for the topic at hand. I own 2 rifles, not at my home but at my gun club, which were designed to bring a 7.62mm piece of lead and copper to the ecact same spot of my choosing from 1000m. It is not ruged enough for hunting and in order to kill a person at close range I would have to hold the barrel to a persons head just to hit them. there are no iron sights on either weapon. the optics I chose for these weapons are simple in design but bery delicate.

            Please stop watching your TV. Turn the damn thing off. Get the hell off facebook. If you wantto learn about the very thing you obviously hate then join a shooting club. Take the saftey lessons and learn. Learn about how much work goies in to a design. Find out how many man hours goes in to the making of a weapon. Find out how exat the work has to be.

            We both know you won’t because you hate an inanimate object. The reasoning is ignorance and fear. To traits I despise as you can read on this site those 2 things are the reasons behind 99% of all crimes featured here. You are no better with your hate and ignorance than anyone else.

            Now please someone tell me how many people were murdered by people owning weapons(s) legally in any year. Then someone else please tell me how many accidental deaths were caused by weapons owned legally.

            I know the numbers as I check them monthly. Year after yeat is has been PROVEN that guns are safer than cars, bath tubs, stoves, matches, knives or any other inanimate object you care to name. Yes the anti gun loby uses the media to try and make guns look evil. the true issues here for me is a very few are trying to dictate how I live and how I raise my daughter. that is not how the founding father of the USA had it planned. Yet the voice of the few are louder than the voice of the majoirty.

            I say to the anti gun loby:
            FUCK YOU! The proof is out there. You only have to look for it and find it.

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            • inad911 says:
              March 5, 2010 at 11:55 am

              All great points….but had there not been a gun available for a child to gain access to, there would’nt have been a death! How are you saying a guns (which is a weapon) main purpose is not to cause harm, take a look at the definition “A weapon is a tool used to apply force for the purpose of causing harm or damage to persons, animals or structures.” IF you won a gun, you not only own something that has caused many lives to be destroyed but you are possible allowing someone to gain access to it that shouldnt have!!

              a PERFECT EXAMPLE IS WHEN SCOTT FROM BEVERLY HILLS 90210 PLAYS WITH A GUN IN FRONT OF DAVID SILVER AND ENDS UP SHOOTING HIMSELF!! THANK YOU 90201…SO MANY LESSONS TO BE LEARNED!!

            • vcbecky says:
              March 5, 2010 at 12:08 pm

              So, what you’re saying is that guns are the only tools that can be used to kill people? I don’t get that. He could have stabbed her, poisoned her, hammered her head in with a 2×4, tossed a toaster into the bathtub with her… this kid WANTED to kill her and her unborn child. He would have attacked her even if he didn’t have a gun. You are very naive if you think that denying Jordan Brown a gun would have kept his victims alive. Practically anything can be used to kill a person, it all depends on the mind behind the action.

              Put a stick of dynamite in a crazy persons hand and he’ll blow shit up. Put it in the hand of a sane person, and most likely he’ll give it back and say he wants nothing to do with it. It’s still dynamite, it doesn’t matter who’s using it or why. It is a tool. A human hand is required to turn that tool to evil uses. I agree, an unstable person of that age has no business owning a gun of his own. I find the whole ‘child size gun’ thing deplorable, but gun ownership is one of the rights guaranteed by our constitution and I will stand behind it unless the people change it.

              Outlaw guns and people will still kill. It’s part of our baser nature. There will always be murder. There always was, even before guns. Shocking, I know.

            • Max The Cat says:
              March 5, 2010 at 1:34 pm

              @inad911

              Don’t kid yourself buddy – This little boy is a cold blooded killer. If he didn’t use a gun, he would have stabbed her, or strangled her, or pushed her down the stairs, or poisoned her, or used a dozen other ways to get rid of his “problem”. The shotgun was just a weapon of convenience, not the cause of the crime.

            • USS Yorktown says:
              March 5, 2010 at 2:47 pm

              If there was no gun in the house, than Jordan could of used other things to kill like knives, baseball bat, or gasoline with a match. It’s not the object that kills, it is the person and their mind that uses it to kill.

            • PastMeridian says:
              March 5, 2010 at 5:33 pm

              The fun I am going to have typing this response is too immense to describe adequately.

              “You lack of comprihension skills are showing.”

              This from someone who can’t spell the word comprehension.

              “You have yet to read all of my posts before responding. Your knee jerk reaction is amusing atleast. My post was designed to show that legal gun owners are safer than most other out there. But you flew right over that without thinking. I guess I have to spell everything out. Obviously I am dealing wiht a mental midget wiht you. and the anti gun loby claims that gun owners are stupid???? Yah OK. With people like you the fight is still easy.”

              The post you were responding to was indicating the natural frustration with a supposedly responsible parent making the utterly retarded decision to allow an 11 year old boy to keep a loaded gun in his bedroom, so you might want to reconsider the context of your argument. As stupid as it would have been in a vacuum, it is exponentially more so when considering the context. Such idiocy is difficult to accomplish, you should be proud.

              I would also point out that you might want to learn how to spell the four letter word with before you refer to someone as a “mental midget”, as it would save you from being the victim of an unintentional irony.

              “All weapons are designed to kill???? this statment shows your lack of knowlege and understanding for the topic at hand. I own 2 rifles, not at my home but at my gun club, which were designed to bring a 7.62mm piece of lead and copper to the ecact same spot of my choosing from 1000m. It is not ruged enough for hunting and in order to kill a person at close range I would have to hold the barrel to a persons head just to hit them. there are no iron sights on either weapon. the optics I chose for these weapons are simple in design but bery delicate.”

              I didn’t write that all weapons are designed to kill, I wrote that guns were designed to kill, so your lack of reading “comprihension skills” are as equally on display as you claim mine to be. You honestly wish to debate whether guns are meant to cause lethal harm to the targets selected?

              For the sake of expediency I will grant your point, and it still is a retarded argument in the context of the situation as the gun the boy was given was very obviously designed to kill, as evidenced by the outcome when he aimed it at his sleeping stepmother and pulled the trigger. If his father had given him a pellet gun then there would be little to discuss.

              Also, was the paragraph quoted above written by a five year old? Honestly, my 7 year old child could manage better than that.

              “Please stop watching your TV. Turn the damn thing off. Get the hell off facebook. If you wantto learn about the very thing you obviously hate then join a shooting club. Take the saftey lessons and learn. Learn about how much work goies in to a design. Find out how many man hours goes in to the making of a weapon. Find out how exat the work has to be”

              Why would have to learn about how a gun was made to determine that it is a stupid move to allow an 11 year old to keep a loaded one in his bedroom? Do I also need to know how a car is manufactured to decide that an 11 year old should not be allowed to drive? Are you really this ignorant or are you just fucking with me?

              “We both know you won’t because you hate an inanimate object. The reasoning is ignorance and fear. To traits I despise as you can read on this site those 2 things are the reasons behind 99% of all crimes featured here. You are no better with your hate and ignorance than anyone else.

              I say to the anti gun loby:
              FUCK YOU! The proof is out there. You only have to look for it and find it.”

              I’m not fluent in yokel, but I will try to respond to this inane diatribe. I am part of no lobby whatsoever. As a matter of fact I loathe political agendas and make an effort to avoid discussions of this nature whenever possible. At no point in my post did I decry the evil of guns, I merely stated they were designed for a specific purpose, with the obviously naive assumption that someone would see that this purpose and a mentally immature individual (as all 11 year old necessarily are) aren’t a match made in heaven.

              I couldn’t care less about what you do with your gun (though I have couple of ideas that give me great satisfaction) nor anyone else of an appropriately responsible age. That clearly isn’t the case with an 11 year old and I think you are the one who is too blinded by your paranoid political agenda to see things clearly.

    5. CP says:
      March 2, 2010 at 12:48 pm

      The child needs to be locked up for good. For good. He knowingly killed this woman (along with her child? did the baby die as well?) and did all he could to conceal his crime. Premeditation is right. And I am sorry, but at that age, a child knows that a gun can kill…especially a child who has been hunting for as long as he has. He knew exactly what he was doing.

      I think we are going to bear witness to more and more crimes being committed by kids this age. As far as I am concerned…he needs to stay in a juvenile home until he turns 18 when he should then be transferred to an adult facility for the rest of his life. That is how ALL juvenile crimes of homicide should be handled. Maybe if they knew there would be life long consequences for their actions, they wouldn’t be so quick to kill.

      Why are we treating youth offenders any differently than adult offenders? Murder is murder…and this child had all the intent in the world to kill his stepmother.

      Bye-bye, Jordan.

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      • vcbecky says:
        March 2, 2010 at 12:57 pm

        I don’t know any 11 year olds who could possibly fathom the concept of ‘life in prison’. There’s really no way to make an example of him for others his age. He won’t get that concept until he’s a bit further into puberty. That’s when you get more of an understanding of the passing of time.

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        • CP says:
          March 3, 2010 at 8:53 am

          I don’t care whether he “get it” or not. My 13 year old would get it and he would know and understand the consequences of his actions. This kid is a trained hunter. He knew exactly what he was doing with that rifle. I have NO sympathy whatsoever. Further? I think Dad should be doing some jail time as well for leaving a loaded shotgun available to children who are 11, 7 and 4.

          No sympathy from this mommy.

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          • vcbecky says:
            March 5, 2010 at 1:48 pm

            Sympathy? SHIT NO! KILL IT WITH FIRE AND SEND IT BACK TO ITS TRUE DADDY! This is a devil child. Sometimes people are born bad, Jordan just got an early start on proving it.

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    6. SD says:
      March 2, 2010 at 12:53 pm

      If he did this at age 11, I don’t even want to know what he’ll do let’s say at age 30 or 40. I get the feeling that he is so far gone already, he needs to be locked up for the rest of his life, whether it be in an institution or in prison. Either one would work for me, as long as he is not allowed to walk the streets again.

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    7. Harley Quinn says:
      March 2, 2010 at 1:18 pm

      Speaking of can’t grasp, I can’t grasp people who are saying this little fucker can’t grasp the magnitute of what is happening to him, or what he did. I was an emotionally and behaviorally disturbed 11 year old and even then I knew hurting was wrong, no matter how angry I was. Nevermind killing. I knew that if I did, I would be in a hell of a lot of trouble.

      People who are saying he’s just too young and immature – so what! He meticulously killed somebody in cold blood. Why? Because he was jealous. Wait until he’s 16 and is jealous of the better high school football player. Wait until he’s 23 and his girlfriend leaves him for another guy. At what point is the body count high enough to go “hmm…this is bad”.

      I don’t care where he’s locked up, as long as he’s locked up for life. Typical serial killers harm animals at this age before becoming some of the most heinous criminals about. His eagerness to overachieve is immensely disturbing.

      Though the little shit in me is kinda pissed off that his detention facility allows him books and boardgames, and loving letters from family and friends. Sounds too comfy to me.

      Don’t even get me started on his dad or how the phrase “youth sized shotgun” burns my ass. Wtf was his family thinking?? Is it even legal to give an 11 year old a gun?

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      • E says:
        March 2, 2010 at 1:30 pm

        Be interesting to know if he’s harmed or abused any animals. He went hunting with Dad. I certainly don’t equate hunting with animal abuse, but, I’m thinking the opportunity was there. If he had a gun and knew how to kill and was already an unstable kid and a bully, I’d like to find out if any neighbors have discovered their pets missing.

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      • E says:
        March 2, 2010 at 1:30 pm

        Oh and good to hear back from ya Harley.

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        • Harley Quinn says:
          March 2, 2010 at 3:51 pm

          I agree! I myself wondered exactly how many neighbors couldn’t find their pets.

          Thanks for the welcome! I’ve been busy with deadlines at work and moving. My boyfriend moved also so I of course was busy standing there nagging while not helping.

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          • Mulch says:
            March 3, 2010 at 1:37 am

            Women are good at that…….

            I am a better ook than my girl. When I am in the kitchen it is my empire. My universe. She tries to tell me what to do, “that needs to be stired” or “that might burn you know I don’t like it that way” So I toss her right out of the kitchen with [empty] threats of no sex for a week..

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            • E says:
              March 3, 2010 at 3:24 pm

              That is too funny, my husband does the cooking (and he’s a damn good one) and the kitchen is HIS. He organized it, and I change nothing withut checking with him first. When we first started dating he shook his head at all the empty cupboards in my kitchen. I had maybe one item on each refrigerator shelf. After we got married he announced we would have a well stocked kitchen. I asked, “Why?” Seven years later, I know. He can whip up a good meal at short notice or improvise an appetizer. My job is to stay out of the way! (and wash dishes and clean counters after)

            • Mulch says:
              March 4, 2010 at 2:27 am

              You have been trainded well :-)

            • E says:
              March 4, 2010 at 1:17 pm

              No, I’m lazy :) I observe the time and effort required to cook a good meal, and then count the seconds before that meal is GONE, devoured. The payoff for me is not enough. If I loved doing it , it would be.

              Plus I fear and hate kitchens. They’re practically impossible to keep clean for any length of time, plus they’re full of dangerous objects! knives and fire and such.

              My husband feels the same way about bill pay and checkbook balancing, which I love, so we were delighted to find each other.

            • Mulch says:
              March 5, 2010 at 1:07 am

              So it would seem that you both fit well together. Good for you.

              Should you have second thoughts………I do need someone to pay my bills :)

              Just kidding.

      • vcbecky says:
        March 2, 2010 at 3:04 pm

        Hi Harley! :D

        I think Jordan completely grasps what he did, just not what ‘life in prison’ truly means. Any kid who hunts knows what death is, and knows it’s forever and irreversible. Satanspawn here planned it. I wonder what this kids IQ is. At his age, his actions are the work of a genius but very sick mind. All the more reason to keep him out of society forever.

        Certain American subcultures believe it is o.k. for children to go hunting. I strongly disagree. I find hunting barbaric, unmanly, unsportsmanlike and unnecessary. However, it is part of our heritage and there’s nothing I can do to stop it. I only wish people had more sense than Jordan’s dad did.

        Giving a weapon as a gift to a child is an extremely stupid thing to do. Child-size guns are sickening and I think they should be outlawed. You don’t teach a child to kill. Doesn’t matter if it’s an animal or not, there is nothing positive a child can take from such an experience. In this case, it obviously did major harm to Jordan. If he wasn’t a hunter at such a young age, he might still have tried to kill his step-mom but he might not have succeeded.

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        • Harley Quinn says:
          March 2, 2010 at 4:06 pm

          I spent a chunk of my childhood on a farm in the middle of nowhere. The young boys all went hunting with the men. It was just what they did. They were never given a gun though as children (I remember hearing things like “you can hold the gun when: there’s hair on your balls/you can drive a car/you can drink a beer/you’re taller than your father/etc.” The adults made sure the children knew exactly what was going on out there. Hunting is killing animals, in a sometimes gruesome manner. It is never ok to harm an animal just because you want to (though not all hunting was done for food, so I don’t know how they rationalized that one) and never point a gun at a person even in jest. I can understand them wanting to take their sons out to have father/son bonding time. But they didn’t need to give their kids a gun to bond. This guys father was just irresponsible.

          I’m not an anti-gun nut, nor am I a pro-gun nut. My only stip is do what you want, without hurting others. Be responsible. If you have guns with children around, lock them up like fort fucking knox. But teach them what they are and what they do and why, and what they should NEVER do, because the mystery will just draw the children to them. Never hand one to a child though. Children are erratic and they can’t be trusted.

          To me children are just little mental patients who grow out of it (no offense to you parents). They’re irrational, erratic, unpredictable, sometimes destructive, and they don’t grasp common everyday things. When they grow up, ideally that all works itself out. Then they can have their own guns.

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          • Mulch says:
            March 3, 2010 at 1:47 am

            Harley hunting is not always killing animals. I can still count how many times my dad and I went out hunting and not even finding traks. But the time together was the most important to us both.

            Very rarely did we keep much of the meat. My mom just didn’t liek the taste. We sold it to butcher shops. The skin we cured and sold. The bones we also sold.

            I can understand a female has a hard problem understanding why men would freeze thier collective asses off just to kill an animal. But this is a time that I can say unless you have beenout there you just won’t understand it. Male bonding? A big part yes. Getting away from the nagging wife/mother/girlfriend? also a big part.

            Why is it that many women when out at a club/bar can never hit the head alone. They have to go in groups. Why is it with a closet full of clothes most women will get angry and say “I have nothign to wear” Why is it that some women need 800 pairs of shoes yet only have 2 feet to wear them? Why is it that women can’t drive to save thier lives? Why is it that women are so arrogant in thinking that men can not live without them?

            Basicly the same questions you asked above.

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            • Harley Quinn says:
              March 3, 2010 at 8:25 am

              To be fair, I always wanted to go hunting with them but was never allowed to. It was a man’s place. Which was fine, I’d still like to go though. Hell I was FINALLY allowed to hold one of the rifles when I turned 24. Then they tried to give me this small quiet thing. I said “no thanks, that big loud thing that fire just came out of please”. They laughed at me but gave it to me. It was so heavy I could barely hold it up. I totally missed my target and the kick bruised my shoulder six ways from Tuesday and I LOVED IT.

              The reason I say I stood there and nagged is whenever something needs to be organized, I just can’t do it. Packing for me is throwing crap in a box and sorting it out later. He’s very organized and needs to sort it out right then. This is where we always clash. We do cook together though. We’re both very good cooks and we like to plan and make meals together. The only nagging I do in the kitchen is “don’t you think we ought to eat some sort of vegetable with this?” :)

              I’m with you, I hate going to the bathroom in a group. I go alone. That’s MY time. My boyfriend has more clothes and shoes than me though. I have the necessary: 1 nice outfit for funerals, 1 nice outfit for weddings, clothes for everyday. 1 nice pair of shoes for nice clothes, 1 pair sandals, 1 pair walking shoes. It’s hard for me to find clothes and shoes that I like, and the pricetags are just offensive. I’d rather buy gadgets.

            • vcbecky says:
              March 3, 2010 at 3:18 pm

              Mulch, I know it wasn’t your intention but your post made me laugh so hard I nearly farted. /blush

              “Why is it that many women when out at a club/bar can never hit the head alone.”

              I don’t get that either. I always go alone. I see these screeching, giggling clots of chickdom get into line even though not all of them need to use the two-stall restroom we’re waiting for. They make the rest of us who really have to pee wait that much longer. Peeing is not for bonding! Battleshits gets boring after a while.

              “Why is it with a closet full of clothes most women will get angry and say “I have nothign to wear”

              Men don’t have monthly bloating. Women have fat clothes, skinny clothes, dressy clothes, casuals, sweaters, etc. I even have an outfit my husband calls my “Murder dress”. Makes me look like a mass murderer. It’s hot. Sorry Mulchie, but if a woman goes outside feeling unattractive, she will act unattractive and be miserable. Deal, or get a fleshlight. ;)

              “Why is it that some women need 800 pairs of shoes yet only have 2 feet to wear them?”

              See above question about clothes. I own 4 pairs of shoes and I use all of them. I don’t really get the whole ‘a pair for every outfit’ thing. Seems like a ridiculous amount of money to spend on shoes!

              “Why is it that women can’t drive to save their lives?”

              For the same reason men can’t seem to wipe their asses clean after using the restroom. It’s part of our chemical makeup. Having said that, I have a spotless driving record and my husband is quite comfortable dozing off while I drive. MULCH IS A MEANIE!!! :P

              “Why is it that women are so arrogant in thinking that men can not live without them?”

              You could live without us. Under most circumstances you’d be miserable. Most men don’t cook. Most men don’t do laundry. Most men can’t fellate themselves. I’m not arrogant, I just know what my irresistible talents are!

            • E says:
              March 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm

              Post to becky –
              Finally — a sistah who doesn’t get the shoe thing! I have NEVER gotten the shoe thing. WHY do some women orgasm over shoes. When I first worked full time I had three pairs of basic pumps — black, beige, and gray. That was all. They went with everything and the classic pump never goes out of style. Now that I’m older, I catch myself admiring shoes in store windows more than I used to, but that’s it. Maybe they’re pretty but I have no desire to buy. To me shoes are a so what.

              Greetings, fellow non shoe enthusiast!

            • vcbecky says:
              March 3, 2010 at 3:37 pm

              I have a pair of black laceup sandals, some 10 hole Docs, a pair of Uggs and a pair of Converse high tops. Oooo, I think I have a pair of black pumps somewhere, but I rarely wear heels. Heels suck, and I’m already tall.

              I don’t understand spending 300 dollars on shoes. I don’t care who designed them, they’re going to walk through gum and dog shit at some point! Jeez, they’re SHOES!

            • Mulch says:
              March 4, 2010 at 2:24 am

              @Becky
              You freakin RAWK! High 5 yer husband for me please!

              I cook very well. Shall we trade recipes? My exwife told me that I cook better than her mom. My girlfriend says I cook better than she does. I love cooking. It relaxes me and I love it when I try something new and my girl loves it.

              I hate laundry. I really do. But I do it beause I like clean clothes. My apartment is lean. Not always spotless but once a week my place is spotless. I hate cleaning but it does have to be done.

              “Bloating clothes” Good lord. OK I know the biology and I’m not going there. My girlfriend has a problem with the way she looks. I don’t. Now when I go outside my apartment I am presentable. No sweats to the store with me. Jeans and a shirt. Thats me. I laugh at the lazy for being lazy. It takes a whole 30 second to put on a pair of jeans. Deal with it.

              But different clothes for…..what the hell ever? When my girl and I move in together we will have to buy a seporate SMALL cabinet just for my clothes. I don’t spend much on clothes. I have my workout clothes, my work clothes and my “going out to shows” gear. thats it. All my stuff fits in to a single suitcase.

              Sorry not going to try and comprehend the clothes thing. I’m old fashioned that way. Buy me a beer and we’ll call it even :-)

              I also understand that women are different animals than men. No questions from me on that. Men always have it beaten around thier heads that it is so and we have to accept it. Why is it that women demand acceptance but yet are always trying to make men “better”? My girl hates a dirty kitchen. I clean my kitchen in the morning. She keeps trying to get me to clean my kitchen before I go to bed. FUCK THAT! It’s my place and I made the mess. I’ll clean it up in the morning.

            • E says:
              March 4, 2010 at 1:26 pm

              Beck, I too hardly ever, as in never, weaar heels, and I’m tall. How tall are you? I used to be 5’10″ but have probably shrunk a little.

              I got married in white Keds sneakers because my husband is shorter than me.

              Mulch you crack me up. You sound like my husband. “Cooking relaxes me.” I – JUST – DON’T – GET – THAT. After i make a sandwich, I’m ready to throw the butter knife at the wall. I guess you either love it or you hate it. My other half is always in a good mood when he cooks. He experiments, substitutes ingredients, and it always works. To me, it’s like a magic trick.

              The other funny thing is shower supplies, we’ve got six corner shelves in our shower and 5 of ‘em are mine. My husband has one bottle of shampoo and one body wash. He laughs and laughs at all the stuff I buy, but I just remind him how much he likes my hair, and then he’s like, “Oh yeah, you’re right.”

            • vcbecky says:
              March 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm

              E, I’m 5’9″. My husband is one inch shorter than me. I wore pink fuzzy slippers when we got married. No one saw them until the garter came off. He hates it when I wear heels, so we’re good!

              I get a kick out of funerals. No, lemme ‘splain! Where do most funerals end? At the grave site, right? Do they let the ground get hard in grave yards? Not usually. So you’ve got these blubbering women tottering around on spiked heels in wet grass, being supported by Weird Uncle Larry and trying to look dignified as they puncture and slide their way to the site. Meanwhile I’ve Storm-Trooped my way over there in my Doc’s and am standing quite steadily on a slope with no assistance. And don’t even get me started on places like Disneyland! Why do women have to wear spiked heels, or any heels for that matter, when they’re at an amusement park? Makes me want to point and laugh. I’d get slapped too much. And what would happen to me, may I ask, if I were to wade into a mosh pit in heels? DOOOOOOM!!!!

              Mulch, women don’t dress to impress men. Women dress to impress women. It’s a little known semi-scientific fact. Semi, because I can’t seem to find the study that was done. There was one though! Really! My husband prefers me to run around the house in thong panties and one of his flannels. Toss on a pair of jeans for leaving the house, and that’s all he expects. I save my ‘game face’ for shows and the occasional family dinner. I prefer to look less breakable than that on a regular basis. It’s tough to have down and dirty fun when you’re worried about your lipstick.

        • Ben says:
          March 2, 2010 at 4:12 pm

          I completely agree. It’s possible that allowing a 10/11 year old to hunt animals (likely physically bigger Kenzie) desensitized the kid enough to not realize the magnitude of his actions.

          Also, it bothers me that this kid was likely raised without a mother and with an idiot father who thinks it’s okay to leave children with guns. It’s likely this kid is mentally younger and more immature than the average 11 year old.

          In my opinion the kid belongs in lockdown juvi until he is 18 and can be reevaluated. LilMissSunshine can call me a “fucktard” all she wants, but it is completely contradictory to try an 11 year old as an adult. An 11 year-old is not an adult, plain and simple.

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          • NavyCop says:
            March 2, 2010 at 4:56 pm

            Oh my holy crap. Hunting does not desensitize a young boy to killing humans. Killing an animal is worlds away from killing a human. Ask any soldier/sailor/marine/airman/police officer how it feels to take a life. If he or she has, then they will tell you, it takes months, even years to be able to look yourself in the mirror without feeling like an part of yourself died when the bullet left the barrel. No matter how “bad” the person killed was, taking a human life destroys a part of you.

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            • Mulch says:
              March 3, 2010 at 1:52 am

              Thank you Happy Squid.

              Ben you are close to pissing me off with your bullshit. I went on my first rabbit hunt when I was 4. Got my first revolver with 5. I was hunting rabbits and squirls with it untill I got my first 4/10 at 7. We went duck and wild turkey hunting. When I was 10 I got my first Remington 700 and we went deer and elk hunting.

              You can suck my balls with your bullshit excuses and theories. I am living proof that it is bullshit. I have never killed in cold blood. Neither has my father or anyone I have ever hunted with. to even think otherwise is an insult to me and every responsible hunter on this planet.

              You sir are a pussy whipped shell of a man.

            • vcbecky says:
              March 3, 2010 at 3:24 pm

              Mulch, were you allowed to keep that revolver in your room when you were a kid? Did you have easy access to guns or were there rules? Did your parents have to be watching you the entire time you were using guns? I’m going to assume I know the answers based on what little I know of you as a person.

              Jordan Brown wasn’t taught the fundamentals of gun safety, unlike you. That’s apparent to me because his father didn’t see fit to lock his gun away. That kind of negligence usually isn’t limited to just one area.

              I don’t think Jordan was desensitized to killing. I think he wasn’t thinking about the repercussions his actions would have on his family and his entire future. He meant to kill. Otherwise he wouldn’t have. This wasn’t an accident. If he was cleaning the gun and it went off and shot his step-mom, that would be an accident based in his parents negligence. That wasn’t the case here, but I still feel his father deserves some blame for this.

            • NavyCop says:
              March 3, 2010 at 4:10 pm

              A child can get into anything when he/she puts his/her mind to it. For example, my four-year old daughter managed to get into a locked room using my military id card. I have never shown her how to do this, and no one else has, as far as I know. She also figured out how to text on my cell phone. Granted, not every child is as smart as she is, but when the mentality to do whatever he/she is going to do, no matter how difficult is present, a child is capable of anything. I am going to hazard a guess and say that Jordan’s dad had his firearm in a closet, perhaps on the top shelf, out of the way, or so he thought. Jordan decided he needed neither a new mom or a new sibling and got rid of both in one shot (no pun intended,) this is not his father’s fault. This is not the victims’ faults, this is purely Jordan’s own fault.

            • vcbecky says:
              March 3, 2010 at 4:20 pm

              I’d agree with you Navy, but it states a couple of times in the first article that Jordan was allowed to keep his gun in his bedroom. If that’s the case, he wasn’t taught about gun safety. There’s just no way he was versed in safety if his dad was so unsafe about the gun to begin with.

            • NavyCop says:
              March 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm

              Well, if he’s an experienced hunter (for his small amount of years on this earth) then he knows the ins and outs of gun safety. First rule? Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. Second rule? Treat EVERY weapon as if it were loaded.

            • Mulch says:
              March 4, 2010 at 2:12 am

              @Becky

              The revolver was loked up int he gun case untill I could take proper care of it. I started keeping it in my room when I was about 8. My parents decided I was old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

              Who is to say the boy’sfather didn’t teach him weapon saftey? Nothing about that in the article.

              Lets assume for a few min that he didn’t. OK? Any kid can still go in to a store and buy a lighter or matches. Any kid can go to a gas station and buy a gallon of gas. Any kid has the ability to set things on fire. The majoriety of kids do not do that. I had a lighter as part of my kit when I was int he Boy Scouts. In the summers I was buying gas for the lawn mower. I used those things for a good purpose. I DID have the ability to do harm. I had no saftey class on any of those things but yet I still ddin#t burn down the house.

              I went through driving school when I was 14. We were living in Tenn at the time. I could get my permit at 14. No teacher of book ever said it wasn’t OK to run over a person. But I knew it was wrong so I didn’t.

              By your theory if akid isn’t expressly forbidden or instructed something bad WILL happen? No I think not. Not good enough for me.

          • Harley Quinn says:
            March 3, 2010 at 8:32 am

            I don’t necessarily agree with this. I know many people who hunted as children who are some of the most well adjusted people I know today. The difference is they learned responsibility and could discern right from wrong, and better yet: cared about the difference.

            We don’t know what knowledge little Jordan was afforded, whether his father taught him to be responsible with his gun, the difference between life and death and that it’s wrong to take a life. We don’t know if he tried to teach him and Jordan just didn’t get it. We don’t know if Jordan got it, and just didn’t give a shit. This kid could be ignorant because he was never taught, an idiot because he was taught and still doesn’t get it, or a bastard because he very well knew better and did what he wanted anyway.

            Jordan is not the example which we should base this on, this is a very different situation.

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            • VCBecky says:
              March 4, 2010 at 1:39 am

              Considering he wrapped the gun in a blanket before using it, I’d go with the third option. That kind of thinking is beyond devious. That’s complicated, calculated thinking far beyond his years, and he used it to kill a pregnant woman. Put that in juvie or adult prison and it will be nurtured. I think he’s made of evil.

          • Steph-Ann says:
            March 3, 2010 at 11:18 am

            I highly doubt that hunting, or owning a gun can desensitise a child. You have to actually have sensitivity first, a thing bullies rarely have. The fact that his chosen murder weapon was a gun further proves this shit bag was a bully, AKA a coward. He knew if he’d gone after a grown up in any other way he’d have his ass handed to him. He was angry and jealous and obviously doesn’t give a fuck… clearly heartless. My eight year old gets jealous of his little brother all the time and the most he’s done is called him a ‘stupid head’ or at the worst smacked him, but let another kid looked at his brother funny, he’s ready to fight. Jordon’s a natural born killer, be it by means of a gun, a knife, a slinky… what does it fucking matter? Throw away the key!!

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          • LilMissSunshine says:
            March 3, 2010 at 3:10 pm

            Ben, you are entirely entitled to your opinion. HOWEVER, how can you say it is contradictory to charge an 11 yr old as an adult because they aren’t an adult? This kid killed a woman in cold blood- a pregnant woman at that. He did not get caught stealing from walmart. By 11 yrs of age, a child knows: A. Once someones dead, they ain’t coming back. B. Shooting people is wrong C. Killers go to jail. This is not some mentally handicapped child who accidentally shot his step mom when they were out hunting.. this murder was pre meditated. By all accounts this “child” was heading for trouble. He bullied other children and threatened the woman he killed numerous times. After he killed her, he was ADULT enough to know to dispose of the gun and shell casings. He was ADULT enough to lie about it. He was ADULT enough to know he had to go about the rest of the day like nothing happened so he wouldn’t get caught. This “child” did not go run to school and tell the first counselor he saw what he did.

            While I can agree to disagree with you, I don’t see your point as valid. I can understand in certain cases that children are given leniency, but this is really not one of them.

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          • E says:
            March 3, 2010 at 3:32 pm

            But what if he behaves, thinks, plans, like an adult?

            To me, if your mind works like an adult’s, and your body is able to carry out your adult intentions, you’r pretty much an adult.

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    8. Harley Quinn says:
      March 2, 2010 at 1:20 pm

      Oh hey Max, can you by chance refer me to where you read that he was a bully and this was premeditated? I in no way doubt you, I’m just very interested in this.

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      • Max The Cat says:
        March 2, 2010 at 5:49 pm

        I know I wrote about it in my editor’s comment’s for the original story on Jordan Brown, but I don’t remember what my source was. I’ll try and dig that up for you this week Harley.

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        • Harley Quinn says:
          March 3, 2010 at 8:33 am

          Hey I saw that, thank you. I did a little searching myself and found it in another article so please don’t go out of your way on my account. I’m sure you’re busy enough :)

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    9. E says:
      March 2, 2010 at 1:24 pm

      Holy crap.

      He IS young. But if he was able to plan this murder and carry it out (I haven’t read the post yet), shouldn’t he do the time?

      Kids are maturing earlier and earlier. (And adults are aging later and later.) Girls are reaching puberty earlier, we see small kids on TV with heightened coordination, for example the other night a young kid, I think 3 or 4 years old, skateboarding through an obstacle course. Isn’t it within the realm of possibility that this kid knew what he was doing and shot the poor woman in cold blood?

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    10. Bob says:
      March 2, 2010 at 3:02 pm

      He is guilty as far as I am concerned but why no charges on his father? What kind of brainless ass gives a 10 or 11 yr old a firearm and also apparently allows him free access to it any time he pleases. The kid should get life because he knew what he was doing and his father should get about 10 years for permiting him the ability to do it.

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      • Mulch says:
        March 3, 2010 at 1:56 am

        And for your ignorance and panic you should be locked in a bubble.

        Guns don’t kill people kill. I could kill with a tea cup. I have killed with a knife. I have also killed many more with a PRC-77. Yes a radio. 3 A-10′s on a bunker line is a sight indeed. Or a battery of 8 inch guns on dug in armor……

        you don’t like weapons? Fine with me. Your right and I respect that. But when you start spouting off with ignorant bullshit you are only repeating from the news then I say it’s time you take a weapons saftey class. Doesn’t cost much and it’s only 40 hours. You will learn all you need to know to understand my anger at your ignorance.

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    11. LilMissSunshine says:
      March 2, 2010 at 3:14 pm

      I’m glad you ran this story. Like yourself, this stuck with me. I actually mentioned lil Jordan in one of my papers for school this year.

      I hope this lil fucker rots in prison. He knew what he was doing. He wanted to act like an adult, let him go to prison like one. All these bleeding hearts need to wake up and realize- an 11 yr old is capable of being a killer. Do these fucktards not realize that at one time there was a young Jeffrey Dahmer out mutilating animals? Every killer starts off as a child idiots!! Here is our oppurtunity to take a very sick fuck off the streets for good so no one else will ever be his victim, and what do we do? We set up a trust fund for the “poor baby”… ::gags:: What about Kenzie’s babies? If i’m giving money to anyone it’s them, not Jordan.

      So, I hope Jordan has a jury with brains. I hope they see past this smoke screen of age the defense is trying to use. Maybe the defense should do a little research on Leopold and Loeb, Jesse Pomeroy, Mary Bell, Melinda Loveless. Just cuz someones a child doesn’t mean they are not psychotic.

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      • Ben says:
        March 2, 2010 at 4:19 pm

        “Every killer starts off as a child idiot.” This is true.

        “All child idiots turn out to be adult killers.” This is not true.

        An 11-year old should not be tried as an adult. In our society, we do not believe an 11-year old has the capacity to engage in consensual sex. This is because an average 11-year simply does not have the mental capacity, awareness, or understanding of an adult. As such, we should not try an 11-year old as an adults, as heinous as the crime may be. An 11-year old kid is not an adult.

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        • NavyCop says:
          March 2, 2010 at 4:46 pm

          Well, how old were you before you knew it was wrong to kill somebody? I think that is pretty much ingrained in us from the time we speak. So go ahead and try the evil little bastard as an adult. He has the eyes of a sociopath.

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          • Ben says:
            March 2, 2010 at 5:16 pm

            There is no question the child knew his actions were wrong. It’s a question of HOW wrong. We’re talking about an 11-year old immature child with no mother, no friends, and an idiotic father who leaves guns with children. He knew what he was doing was wrong, but likely did not know the magnitude of his actions. I mean, honestly, we’re talking about a 5th grader here.

            Would you honestly classify this child as an “adult”?

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            • NavyCop says:
              March 2, 2010 at 5:54 pm

              Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong. No such thing as levels of wrong. There is just wrong. Black and white, cut and dried. Jordan knew what he was doing. And yes, I would TRY this child as an adult, I wouldn’t classify him as one, but I would prosecute him as one, because of the magnitude of his crime.

            • IPattyKake says:
              March 2, 2010 at 9:28 pm

              I just asked my 10yo daughter what she thought would happen to her if she killed a person. She told me 1st off you would kick my ass Mom. 2nd I would go to hell. and 3rd I would go to jail for ever. Now tell me an 11yo doesn’t know that!

            • matthewrmt says:
              March 2, 2010 at 10:15 pm

              I know, I know, y’all are going to kick my ass for this; but, I agree with Ben. I just don’t think a child truly understands at an adult level. I know pedophiles claim a child can give consent for sexual acts and obviously, they cannot! So, how can we say, that a child, who doesn’t have the capacity to give consent for sex, has the capacity to understand murder at an adult level?

              Quite honestly, I don’t know what to do with the kid if he is guilty. He is not an adult nor should he be tried as an adult, IMO. But, neither should he be given a mild sentence. Murder is too grave a crime to be white washed. I mean, WTF? How can justice ever truly be served in such a case? Really, WTF!!!!

            • Mulch says:
              March 3, 2010 at 2:12 am

              12 year old girls are getting pregnant. My daughter is 12. She also knows the differene between right and wrong. Funny that eh?

              She know what will happen if she kills in cold blood.

              I have no idea why this is even up for debate. The shit planned the act. The shit carried the act out knowing that death is not like in the movies. The kid destroyed/hid evidence. Premedation has been shown as well as his actions after the act.

              Hang the little shit when found guilty.

            • Harley Quinn says:
              March 3, 2010 at 8:51 am

              I don’t care how old he is, if he can walk, talk, comprehend, and carry a gun, he knows shooting somebody is wrong. This “his brain isn’t fully developed” is bleeding heart nonsense. He knew what he was doing. It’s not that he doens’t get it, he just doesn’t care. He knew he wanted to get rid of her, and he knew how to do it. He even said he wanted to do it before. That is nothing other than premeditation. He’s a selfish bully. He’s not “doing well” in the detention center because he just doesn’t understand what he did. He knows exactly what he did! He’s “doing well” because he got what he wanted! Not only did he effectively get rid of the thing sucking the attention away from him, he’s now getting all of the attention he could possibly want becaus of it – mounds of affection from friends and family. While getting to play boardgames and read Harry Potter all day long. He got what he wanted, why should he be sad or feel guilty? He’s not an underdeveloped 11 year old, he’s a fresh young sociopath.

            • LilMissSunshine says:
              March 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm

              You are comparing apples and oranges here. Yeah, the law says a child cannot consent to sex. However, the law also considers an 18 yr old having sex with a 16 yr old as rape- it’s not. The law also considers anyone under the age of 17(some states 18) as a minor. Are you telling me if a 16 yr old kills someone they should not be held responsible because they cannot legally consent to sex yet?

              If this is the case, do you understand how many murder convictions would be over turned. Do some research… read up on a little girl named Mary Bell who at the tender age of 11 brutally murdered two small boys in England. Not only that, but she taunted the children’s families through letters and even showed up at one of the boys houses asking to see his body- she knew what she did and was proud of herself. Look up the story of Shanda Sharer who at the age of 12 was tortured and burned alive by 4 girls ranging in ages from 14-16. Murder is not always committed by adults.

              Let me ask you this,,, if Jordan Brown was tried as a child and released on his 21st birthday, would you want him moving in next door?

            • Ben says:
              March 3, 2010 at 5:03 pm

              NavyCop: Of course there are different levels of wrong. Stealing a candy bar is not the same as killing someone. Jordan absolutely knew what he was doing was wrong, but it’s likely he did not know HOW wrong. I appreciate that you recognize you wouldn’t classify this child as an adult, even if you want to try him as one. That is contradictory in my opinion.

              IPattyKake says: Your daughter might be very intelligent for her age. However, I just don’t think an average 11-year old always recognizes the absolute significance or consequences of his actions.

              matthewrmt: I appreciate it. Put him in lockdown until he’s 18 and then reassess with several psychiatrists, similar to parole hearings.

              Mulch: I am not going to get into a gun control argument with you, but I hope you realize that leaving an 11-year old alone with a gun is horrifically irresponsible. You make a good point that this kid knew what he was doing, but I don’t think it’s enough to show that he truly comprehended his actions.

              Harley Quinn: Once again, it’s a question of how wrong. Does this child really comprehend his actions. Killing because the child is lonely or jealous is just so immature, it makes me question if he really understands what he did.

              LilMissSunshine: I did research on Mary Bell. After she was released from prison at the age of 23, she did not commit any other crimes. For the Shanda Sharer example, the culprits were in their late teens. If they fully understand their crimes and have the requisite mens rea, they should be tried as adults. However, a 16 year old junior in high school is not the same as an 11 year old in elementary school. Lastly, two of the girls in that murder have already been released and have committed no crimes.

            • NavyCop says:
              March 3, 2010 at 5:25 pm

              It’s really not contradictory if you look at it. Jordan is can not be classified as an adult, however due to the gravity of the crime, he should be tried as one. There are many cases of children being tried as adults because of the atrocity of their acts. Twenty-two states try children as young as seven as adults for vicious crimes such as murder, rape, assault and other class I/II felonies, whereas twenty-five states try children as young as twelve for class I/II felonies. Based on the actual mode of death, it is well within the limits of the law to try Jordan as an adult.

            • Mulch says:
              March 4, 2010 at 1:47 am

              @BEn it is not irriesponsible. Not at all. I was left along many times growing up. I didn’t kill anyone. I leave my daughter alone with 4 firearms in my appartment many time. She is 12. She hasn’t killed a single person yet.

              Funny how a single opinion of raising a child goes against my upbringing, they way I am raising my daughter, the way my father was raised, they way my grandfather was raised, ect

              Do you have children? If you do do you keep knives locked up? Going by your “logic” it would be better becasue you don’t want to wake up with a knife in yer gut do you? Do you keep yer car keys locked up? Do you have tools laying around within easy reach?

              All those items can kill just as fast as firearm.

              You say you don’t want to get in to a debate about gun controll but yet you opened the dance and continue to do you. You don’t want to debate a topi then don’t comment on it. No little snide remarks. Should you deide you would like to debate the topic I will hand you yer ass on it. I have all the facts ready to present. Facts that show so most of what you have said so far is complete and utter bullshit.

    12. LilMissSunshine says:
      March 2, 2010 at 3:17 pm

      PS:

      I forgot to mention. People tend to forget that Kenzie was someones child as well. She may have been grown, but any mother will tell you “she/he will always be my baby.” Also, Kenzie was the mother to two little girls. What about them? Fuck Jordan, he made his bed. I hope he catches beatings in the jail he’s at…

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    13. motherof3 says:
      March 2, 2010 at 3:59 pm

      I heard his dad did it because he didn’t want another son, and framed his son for it because he was too chicken***t to go to jail.

      But you never know..it’s like that 8 year old boy in Arizona that killed his dad and his dad’s friend.

      He could have done it.

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    14. USS Yorktown says:
      March 2, 2010 at 5:39 pm

      Sounds like a bad seed to me.

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    15. Miwist says:
      March 2, 2010 at 5:54 pm

      My 10 year old knows it’s wrong to kill – everybody knows it’s wrong to shoot somebody in the head. So if the kid did it, lock him down forever, Christ, execute, who gives a shit. My only problem is that I can’t help but wonder if Dad is somewhat involved.

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    16. Lantern says:
      March 2, 2010 at 9:02 pm

      I wrote the article here about James Lee Crummel.

      Some of his victim’s families have posted here- mothers, cousins etc.

      Jordan is a kid- but Crummel murdered raped and tortured for decades- he was first caught at 17.

      Jordan needs to be caged forever- if not most likely in a few short years from now mothers, cousins, etc will be posting in here thanking us for remembering their loved ones and retelling the story of their killer- Jordan Brown.

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    17. DeeDee says:
      March 2, 2010 at 9:20 pm

      I disagree with most of you folks. This was an 11 year old child. His understanding of the long term results of his behavior are not concrete like those of an adult. Also what would make a child do something like this? What was his relationship like with his father? What was the relationship with this woman? How did he deal with other children in the home. He didn’t think like an adult. He thought like a child who wants and craves love and attention. A child who needs time and effort from his parents. Yes the crime is horrible but this is a child who can grow and mature and come to understand what he has done. This child should not be prosecuted as an adult and he should not spend his life in prison. We need to start teaching and loving our children again. We are so dismayed here when a child is murdered or tortured but when a child cries out for help we rush to judge them as a mature thinking adult. I don’t know the answers, I don’t know what is best. I do know we need to change something in our system before it is too late…..or maybe it already is.

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      • NavyCop says:
        March 2, 2010 at 9:29 pm

        Ya know, my four year old understands that once something/one is dead, they are not coming back. Ever. There is nothing wrong with the judicial system. He acted like a spoiled brat who didn’t want to share his dad with any other kids, not like a poor forlorn child that “wants and craves love and attention.” How many kids do you know who are just yearning to be loved that have shot people point blank?

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        • Budgiegirl says:
          March 3, 2010 at 6:59 am

          And a mighty amen to your sentiments NavyCop!

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        • Steph-Ann says:
          March 3, 2010 at 12:07 pm

          I agree, NavyCop….To those who don’t, come on! If time travel was possible and you could go back years ago and confront a young Dahmer or Bundy, (etc.) what would you do? Give the fuckers a hug, or snatch em up and lock them away? I’m sure you’d agree to the latter. Parental love or lack thereof (IMO) has little to do with the development of monsters such as Jordon. You can take more than one child, siblings, and raise them in the same environment with the same people and not only is it possible but actual that one can walk away a preacher while the other, a cold blooded killer. It happens all the time. Hugs and kisses, or quality time aren’t gonna change the fact that some people are just born evil, as some are born saints.

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          • NavyCop says:
            March 3, 2010 at 3:42 pm

            *kicks at the ground with her combat boot* Aww shucks. But seriously, there are sociopathic kids out there who, when having killed once, will kill again. It is just the same as with an adult serial killer. He/she is already on an uncontrollable, downward spiral that is unstoppable except by being placed in a very secure facility with very powerful medication. I hate to say it, but not all children can be saved by love.

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      • vcbecky says:
        March 3, 2010 at 3:33 pm

        Hitler was 11 once. So were all of the mass murderers in human history. Imagine if Hitler was revealed as a monster at age 11 and institutionalized for his entire life. How would that have impacted history? How many doctors, scientists, artists, inventors etc. did he exterminate? What about the Neo-Nazi movement?

        I strongly disagree with people who say Jordan should be jailed/institutionalized and monitored until age 30. What would he have learned about life and surviving as a functioning, contributing citizen while in prison or an institution? And you want to release him at 30 to fend for himself and interact with normal people and not harm them? What would you unleash on society at that point? He needs to go away for life for our safety, not to punish him.

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      • E says:
        March 3, 2010 at 4:07 pm

        Sure looks to me as though he thought like an adult! He planned a murder, executed, and tried to hide evidence. What other evidence of adult behavior and thought do you need?

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    18. weggis says:
      March 2, 2010 at 10:19 pm

      blimey…u definetly have a point there with the eyes in that mug shot…. spooky and evil if you ask me….completely void of emotion….SOS is all i can say if this kid gets out…

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    19. Max The Cat says:
      March 3, 2010 at 4:03 am

      I think I need to clarify my position on Jordan Brown. I’m not going to speculate on whether or not the average 11-year-old boy is able to comprehend what murder is, or what being sentenced to life without parole actually means. I’m not sure if ALL 11-year-olds should be tried as adults when they kill another person. I don’t want Jordan to be sentenced to life so he can be an example to other kids.

      Did his exposure to guns at an early age make this crime more likely to have happened? I doubt it, or there would be a hell of a lot more children killing people in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Montana, and any other State where hunting is popular – And we know that just isn’t the case.

      No, my point is that this particular 11-year-old boy, Jordan Brown, knows what it means to plan and execute a murder plot. The evidence shows that he had every intention of killing Kenzie Houk and getting away with it. He waited for the right opportunity, destroyed or hid evidence of his crime, lied to the police. No one is going to convince me that THIS eleven-year-old boy didn’t know exactly what he was doing. He absolutely understood the consequences of his actions, and that makes him a perfect candidate to be tried as an adult.

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      • Mulch says:
        March 3, 2010 at 4:24 am

        Good deal Max. Well said

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      • Budgiegirl says:
        March 3, 2010 at 6:57 am

        You are right Max. THIS particular individual is evil residing in an 11 year old body. He is definitely adult enough to premeditate murder, carry it out, and cover it up. He should be tried as an adult and if there is any karma, then he will.

        By the way, what’s the father’s take on all this? I know you said CNN couldn’t contact him, but didn’t he know what his son was planning to do?

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      • Ben says:
        March 3, 2010 at 12:01 pm

        Excellent point Max – part of the reason why I love your posts and this website is because even when I don’t agree with you, you make articulate and legitimate points.

        I 100% agree that we should look at each individual separately to see if they should be tried as an adult. One 16 year old child might be too immature to understand the seriousness of her actions. However, a separate 16 year old can absolutely understand the significance and should be tried as an adult.

        My problem is this kid is 11 years old. In my opinion, very few 11-year olds are old enough to understand the gravity of their actions. Like I said earlier, it would be appalling if we let ANY 11-year old decide to have consensual sex with an adult, simply because they typically do not have the mental capacity to understand their actions. The same principle applies here.

        In an attempt to refute me, one poster wrote that her four-year old daughter understood it was wrong to kill someone. So, should we try all 4-year olds as adults now too? If a 4-year old steals a candy bar from a grocery store (even if she understands at some level it is wrong), should the police lock this child up?

        People have commented on how evil this child looks in his photo (and I agree, although the photo is blurry, he looks pretty goddamn evil). However, what I also see is how YOUNG he looks. This 5th grader is nowhere near developed physically, which has some relevance to his mental capacity.

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        • dani says:
          March 3, 2010 at 1:16 pm

          I’m sorry, but anybody who goes hunting is going to know that when you shoot something, it will die (especially if it was a kill shot). So he knew what he was doing, I mean premeditation and evidence concealing and previous talks about how much he hated her and her kids…. what else would you think? these days 11 year olds are capable of comprehending so much more than you believe, and all you wanna do is coddle them. No wonder the next generation will be going to hell in a handbasket, because children are not being taught responsibility. I’m currently teaching my three year old what death means, and Heaven and all that, so by the time she is old enough to feel rage and jealousy AND act on it, she wont do anything so drastic or stupid as this dumbshit did. Let met repeat, hunters know that the dead dont come back, and kids that age are old enough to know and suffer the consequences of her actions. He committed two murders, and should be punished accordingly. either 2 life sentences or death penalty

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        • E says:
          March 3, 2010 at 4:36 pm

          I’m not sure your consensual sex/murder analogy is a good one.

          You state: “it would be appalling if we let ANY 11-year old decide to have consensual sex with an adult, simply because they typically do not have the mental capacity to understand their actions. The same principle applies here.”

          But one instance is a situation of protecting a child FROM adults: we create laws to punish and, we hope, prevent molestation. The other instance is a situation where the child himself has done wrong. We’re debating what kinds of laws should apply here, whether new ones are needed.

          I don’t think you can say “Laws are needed to protect children from predatory adults and because these laws punish adults and protect children, we therefore decide that children who kill also deserve protection (i.e., they should not be punished as harshly as an adult would be).”

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          • Ben says:
            March 3, 2010 at 5:09 pm

            But why do we not let an adult have sex with a 11-year old child, even if that child is fully developed physically? The reason is because society believes the child is not old enough to make a responsible, informed, and completely rational decision. It’s because the 11 year old is a CHILD and not an ADULT. Deedee said it best above: If we prosecute 11 year olds as adults when do we ever prosecute them as children?

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            • dani says:
              March 3, 2010 at 5:16 pm

              In some countries (mostly third world) sex with an eleven year old is considered okay. Would you rather we be like a third world country, where pedophilia is fine and the hands of theives are chopped off? should we follow that example or stick with the “an eye for an eye, a life for a life” that this country has developed? Because in that case, i would prefer the life sentence or death penalty for a murder. if you try to cover the crime up, you prove you knew you were doing wrong, and that’s premeditated murder, no matter the age. plus, sex and murder are not the same thing

            • E says:
              March 4, 2010 at 2:17 pm

              But we’re talking two different situations, with behaviors reflecting different impulses, thoughts, plans, mindsets. A child who wraps a gun in a blanket and shoots a woman in the back of the head is showing anger, coldness, deliberation, and probably is so sick and/or evil that he’s beyond help IMO. The elements of the situation are more specific than any adult attacking any child sexually. To me that’s more generic, although no less horrific, and can be addressed with broader, more sweeping laws. I’m probably not explaining my thoughts well.

            • Mulch says:
              March 5, 2010 at 1:05 am

              Stop making shit up Ben. It is illegal because it is disgusting and wrong. Have you ever though of either concept?

    20. DeeDee says:
      March 3, 2010 at 4:38 am

      Well I don’t see the “spooky and evil” in those eyes. I see an 11 year old child who looks like he is in shock. Please do not think for a moment that I am excusing this behavior or that I think this child should not do serious time. My concerns is if we start prosecuting our children as adults when do we prosecute them as children? The attitude that most of you show actually accentuates my point. We assume because a child knows right from wrong, understands what death is and can fire a gun that he is “mature” enough to make adult decisions. All I am saying is what really happened? What led to this? This is not a 40 year old adult who is blaming his crime on a crummy childhood. This is a kid who committed a horrible bloody crime and then turned a cold heart to it. Why?

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      • Budgiegirl says:
        March 3, 2010 at 7:07 am

        There is no “WHY” — this kid is a psychopath and there is no redeemable qualities to these type of people.

        Why did he kill her?
        BECAUSE HE WANTED TO!

        Sometimes, it is as simple as that. It isn’t a very satisfying answer, but at the end of the day, that is really all there is. There is no great mystery, no great deep and meaningful answer that we can derive from his actions. Psychopaths do whatever they want to and if it rocks your world, then too bad for you.

        One of the more maddening questions that Ted Bundy had to answer all the time was “Why did you kill my daughter/wife/sister?”
        and he always came back with the same answer: because he wanted to. He found it frustrating that people didn’t seem to be able to accept that as his true answer, but if you’ve studied psychopaths, then you know that it isn’t deeper than that.

        This kid is already a lost cause and should be removed from civilization before more innocent people die from our misguided efforts at trying to ‘rehabilitate’ those dwelling in the nether regions of our world.

        Don’t waste your finer feelings on these pieces of garbage; they don’t have empathy, compassion, love — any of the emotions that you equate with you being human. It really is a question of a different structured brain and therefore, a different set of rules guiding their behaviour. Your efforts on their behalf won’t change them, but it will provide the psychopath with some amusement.

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    21. dulcy says:
      March 3, 2010 at 5:18 am

      I can remember when I was 11 and thought I knew it all… I think we tend to underestimate “children” as to how much aware they really are. I think that this kid knew what he was doing, and knew it was wrong but I doubt he really understood the consequences of his actions i.e. that he would be caught and not get away with it.

      This is a tough one. What do you do with kids that murder? send them to juvie till they turn 18, get released and their record expunged? Doesn’t feel quite right to me. Trial like an adult and lock him away for life? Then you might as well impose the death penalty as I think it would be cruel to lock him up for the rest of his life, what’s the point?

      Remember those British boys that kidnapped a two year old and then went on to torture the little kid before killing him? They were send to the British equivalent of juvie hall till they turned 18 and then were released, given new identities and relocated to Australia. I can’t honestly say that represents justice either…

      Maybe if they’re that rotten at such a young age they should be “terminated”… Who knows?

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      • Budgiegirl says:
        March 3, 2010 at 6:52 am

        They were given new identities in the UK. They didn’t get relocated to Australia; that would have been easier for the Bulger family to deal with, I think.

        Venebles (I know I don’t have his name spelled correctly, but I don’t really care as he is a shit) is one of the two that murdered the boy; he is currently in the UK prison system again as he violated the terms of his parole/probation. They will not reveal to the public what it is that he did. That is part of the protection he is still granted. He is now 27 years old. The two of them got fine educations and the best of everything and were given new identities and are to be protected for the rest of their lives at the taxpayers expense. Neither of them are to be identified in the press no matter where they go. They are forever given a clean slate. It isn’t justice; but it is the state of the world today. It is so frustrating that the criminals continue to win.

        Then again, as someone once said, it is the CRIMINAL justice system, not the VICTIM justice system.

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    22. Budgiegirl says:
      March 3, 2010 at 6:45 am

      For the people who are studying juvenile crime, their rationale is that the teenager’s brain is undergoing such tremendous changes and hormonal fluctuations that we, as “settled” adults, whose brains have reached a ‘level’ of understanding, we cannot apply our standards for their conduct; it isn’t fair.

      You know what? If that’s the case, then they shouldn’t be allowed to have access to vehicles, guns, poisons, knives, whatever. They should be sequestered until such age that they CAN be held accountable to society’s standards of behaviour, of right and wrong. These liberal whiners want it both ways: let them experience everything adults have in the society and then also let them do whatever they want and a mighty big stink-eye to the herd’s right to live without fear of these psychos running roughshod over those who abide by the rules of civilization.

      See, I know that no matter what, it boils down to brain chemistry and environment. This little bastard didn’t want his father having a new wife and certainly wasn’t going to put up with her having a baby. He planned this out and watch if he doesn’t hoodwink the entire system.

      As the UK situation is demonstrating, he will get out and kill again. These creatures are made to satisfy themselves and no one else. They know from an early age that they are different and they study normal people, learning to cloak their true nature by mimicking our behaviour. It isn’t that they don’t know what is right and acceptable; they simply do not want to bother playing by society’s rules. Rules are for losers, not them. They are always about themselves and to hell with anyone who doesn’t agree.

      If you think I’m just spewing garbage, then check out R. D. Hare’s studies on psychopathy. The man has studied these people for years, and he is bang on the money when it comes to diagnosing and identifying them. His checklist is so accurate that defense lawyers and criminals worldwide have tried to ban the use of his test because it readily identifies those who should never be paroled.

      One of the areas he has recently turned his attention to is the rise in juvenile psychopaths. This Jordan asshole is certainly a textbook case.

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      • Steph-Ann says:
        March 3, 2010 at 12:29 pm

        “For the people who are studying juvenile crime, their rationale is that the teenager’s brain is undergoing such tremendous changes and hormonal fluctuations that we…” Hormonal fluctuations? LMAO… I guess that mean whenever I’m ‘undergoing’ a serious case of PMS I can go blow someone’s head off and have my actions excused! Look out men of the world!!… *rolls eyes* Please! I agree with you, Budgiegirl. Right is right, wrong is wrong.

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        • Budgiegirl says:
          March 4, 2010 at 4:35 pm

          Yes, can you imagine if they extrapolated their reasoning to what we women go through at least once a month???? ;-)

          But seriously, they *did* consider adding premenstrual syndrome to the Diagnostic Manual for a while, as in, if you have PMS then you are suffering from a psychological disorder. Once they (and here I mean women) realized that it could be used as a reason not to have females in important positions anywhere (‘cuz once a month, she’d be crazy), well, they put the issue on the back-burner for now.

          Still, it makes no more sense to apply such rules to children: we are all human and all subject to the biology of the body. We cannot start making excuses because of biology, because then no one is ever to blame for anything.

          SIGH! I’m too old to enjoy the rules that Canada applies to young offenders. I could have been a real terror given today’s rules. No youth ever worries about consequences up here as they know that they won’t do any real time or get any real punishment. If that kid was up here, then it wouldn’t even rate a ripple on most people’s radars. To begin with, we aren’t allowed to know his name or even the name of the victim in some cases as someone may be able to figure out the killer’s name via the victim’s name. They are to remain unnamed even after the trial and their “time” in a young offenders prison/house. Their records get sealed and they get a fresh start in society with no background checks ever revealing their crimes. What happens if you violate this sacred federal law? Why, you go to federal prison for outing the little bastards. Do I think I deserve to know that John K. Psycho killed his family when he was 13? Yes, but the Canadian government has it fixed so that you’ll never know and his secret is safe forever, thanks to me and all the other Canadian taxpayers.

          I hope that THIS particular little christer gets some punishment.

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          • vcbecky says:
            March 4, 2010 at 4:50 pm

            Wait, wait… I’m allowed to kill one person a month?!? AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

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            • Budgiegirl says:
              March 4, 2010 at 5:21 pm

              LOL!!!! In a perfect world …………

              (>_<)

            • Steph-Ann says:
              March 4, 2010 at 8:32 pm

              LOL…The exact cause of PMS is not completely understood, but it appears the hormones progesterone, estrogen and testosterone are involved….(Blaa, blaa, blaa) In a nut shell, our testosterone levels increase, so we basically act like MEN roughly one week out the month and most men can’t handle it! Yet, we put up with their crap 24/7/365…hehehe.

            • Mulch says:
              March 5, 2010 at 1:01 am

              Women don’t act like me when PMS hits. Trust me. 15 years of marriage has taught me many things about women.

              Women act like spoiled little princesses. do women fart a lot on PMS? Do you belch? Do you scratch yerselvs? Do you pick yer nose and show it to us? Do you yell and scream about [insert sprot here] No you don’t. My ex demanded everythign to be done RIGHT NOW! Then she bitched and moaned how I couldn’t do anything right and she would have to do it herself all over again. She bitched that I didn’t lover her enough. She bitched about being fat and ugly. She was an all around spoiled bitch.

              So no you don’t act like men you act like yerselvs.

              /taking cover in closest bunker with helmet on….

            • Steph-Ann says:
              March 5, 2010 at 7:00 am

              LMAO….gross!! You had me with yes, yes, yes….until the booger picking part! It sounds like your X was just a bitch in gerneral, Mulch…. and you’d be surprised how many men nowadays act like spoiled princesses themselves. It’s why I’ve been single for two years! =)

            • justjaney says:
              March 15, 2010 at 8:03 pm

              Wonder what’s wrong with me then….I fart…I scratch..I pick…I show…lol…and just for good measure I’ll let rip a bloody big Burp :)

              (Guessing that’s why I’m still single, and known as the “old cat lady down the road”)…….lol

    23. Harley Quinn says:
      March 3, 2010 at 8:54 am

      You know I don’t see spooky and evil in those eyes either. I see something much more frightening. Indifference, and quite possibly boredom.

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    24. Lantern says:
      March 3, 2010 at 9:55 am

      I wonder what would happen if they gave Jordan a spear gun and set him loose in the tank at Sea World with Tilikum the (serial) Killer Whale.

      At least Tilikum never lied on a resume.

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    25. Zw says:
      March 3, 2010 at 12:18 pm

      I think it is naive to believe an 11 year old should be put away for life. He is 11 years old he shouldn’t be tried as an adult because he isn’t an adult. A mistake by an 11 year old shouldn’t be life binding. I understand the crime he commited and I agree he should be punished but life without the possibility of parole seems a bit harsh to me. I would think constant observation till he is 25 -30 would be more then enough keep him in prison till then but not his entire life.

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      • dani says:
        March 3, 2010 at 1:25 pm

        He took away two lives, two little girls’ mom and a baby brother. He robbed her family of a neice, cousin, daughter and robbed his father of a life partner and son. It’s people like you who make these days believe that as long as they do it before they’re 18, its ok because the consequences wont be severe. That they can get away with just about anything. Go ahead, let him out and let him come live with you and your family. Just dont whine and bitch when he decides something isnt going his way and does something horrible about it. I for one dont like the idea that he can murder in cold blood and his actions are excused by “jealousy” and “inability to comprehend the consequences.” Parents and society teach us what is right and wrong, and murder is a top 10, heck its even in the Ten Commandments. He knew exactly what he was doing, and should be punished accordingly. And on the note, i believe one life sentence is wrong, he should be given two! he did snuff out two lives!!! As someone with a sociopathic mother and bipolar father, I firmly believe that he could have checked his attitude and not resorted to acting so stupidly. Dont make excuses, some people cannot be rehabilitated.

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        • Zw says:
          March 3, 2010 at 3:24 pm

          Everything you said sounds great but doesn’t prove in any way that this child deserves life in prison. I am sure this case upsets you when you think of the victims and right fully so, But we are talking about an 11 year old here. Leading psychologists through out the world have determined that an 11 year is not able to control impulses in a mature way. So whether he knew of the difference between right and wrong isn’t the issue here. Do i believe he belongs in jail? Yes Do I think he deserves a life sentence? No. This is a very complicated case and I really don’t think the evidence in the case completely rules out another suspect. Were the police even able to secure a confession from him?

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          • Zw says:
            March 3, 2010 at 3:37 pm

            If it were up to me I would give him 25 years in prison with parole possibilities after 19 years.. He would have plenty of time to be evaluated and if they consider him still a risk at that point keep him there.

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            • dani says:
              March 3, 2010 at 5:21 pm

              Having a brother that could easily have done this (if he were not afraid of the consequences) i feel no remorse or change in my decision. In the past, 11 year olds could be heads of households, and it wasnt until after the child labor laws that they became…..children and allowed to be as such. but explain how evolution (within a hundred years) allotted to an 11 year old being the sole provider or a hard working contributor to someone who doesnt understand the consequences of their actions because “their brain isnt matured” or whatever. at 11 i knew what was right or wrong, and knew the consequences. and i repeat, some people cannot be rehabilitated or helped. hence our recidivism rate

          • Budgiegirl says:
            March 4, 2010 at 4:51 pm

            The case isn’t complicated at all.

            Boy hates sharing his dad with new girlfriend.

            Boy makes threats about killing girlfriend of dad’s.

            Dad’s Girlfriend gets pregnant and now boy is facing a double threat: girlfriend and her child – which was made with girlfriend and HIS dad.

            Boy realizes he will be facing demotion in Dad’s affection hierarchy.

            Boy decides to eliminate competition (two for the price of one).

            Boy blows girlfriend away and thereby kills girlfriend and unborn child.

            Now, what is complicated about that?

            The answer to “what should be done?” is also simple. I also don’t think we should put him in prison for life. I think he’s a waste of space and sucking up oxygen others can use, so I think he should be executed, sooner rather than later.

            I’m not being flippant nor am I joking. I believe that we have, as a society, let far too many of these cretins live and we have lost far too many decent people to their whims. It is time that we clean the genetic pool and if that means executing 12 year olds, then so be it. I do not have any problem with this, and it is a job that I would volunteer for. I know how I would feel if it were my mother, and no one, NO ONE would be able to stop me from carrying out my own very personal form of justice.

            I believe that people have to stop trying so hard to see the criminal’s point of view and start looking at the victim’s side of things. If you’re so noble that you bleed for the child-psycho, then bleed a little for the victim’s loved ones who must now spend the next thirty, forty or however many years they have without her. Like the Egyptian court of the dead, weigh the sins of the psycho against the misery and pain he has caused the world by his actions. These two items are measure on a set of scales, and based on the scales, the payment for his “transgressions” is to never have existed — his essence is wiped out. I think that’s a pretty fair exchange, and I think it’s time we start wiping the slate a little cleaner. We are not progressing by keeping these things in our world. They are negative and dark energy that sucks the life force out of our world. We need to start protecting what is precious and positive in life, and that doesn’t include this fucktard.

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      • Mulch says:
        March 4, 2010 at 1:35 am

        A mistake?????? Lets see if I an give you a mistake.

        the boy just cleaned his shotgun. there was a shell on the floor. He was going to put the guy back in the, he tripped and fell. In the fall the shell was mistakingly placed in the chamber. He had a boo boo on his knee and wanted his dad’s girl to kiss it all better. he tripped and fell when he entered the room. Not knowing the weapon was loaded it discharged blowing the top of her head off.

        Yah OK? Go back to books please.

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    26. Zw says:
      March 3, 2010 at 12:22 pm

      Also, As a major in law I don’t believe there is enough evidence in this case to secure a life sentence. In criminal court it takes a unanimous decision for a conviction and I frankly dont see the direct evidence. Most of the evidence seems like assumptions. The gun smelled like it had been recently fired? My ass smells but it doesnt mean i shit myself.

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      • Steph-Ann says:
        March 3, 2010 at 12:41 pm

        ROFL….good one, but seriously….Eew! Just two comments, first…it doesn’t matter if you actually shit yourself or not, if you can smell your own ass you should wash it regardless! *wink* Secondly, a mistake for an eleven year old should be more like, not returning a library book or breaking your brother’s toy on purpose (perhaps out of ‘jealousy’ even)…a mistake is NOT aiming to kill. While the young woman was sleeping no less!

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      • Jason says:
        March 3, 2010 at 3:59 pm

        As a major in law, why are you making a “mistake” with the word “mistake?”

        Grab your copy of Black’s, turn to mistake, read it and tell me that shooting your sleeping, pregnant, future step-mother in the back of the head and then heading off to school is a mistake.

        This isn’t a single, or even a simple error in judgement, as it would apply to contract law.

        This could be called a lapse or lack of judgement. You could reasonably argue the child, and I concede he is a child, is unfit to stand trial, that he has demonstrated anti-social behavior consistent with a successful insanity defense or even that he may not have been fully aware that someone killed, remained permanently dead, but I think he has a better chance tried as an adult than he does as a child in juvenile court. If tried as an adult several defenses open up for him that would not be available as a child. A jury, while strongly opposed to the death of a pregnant woman, the prosecutor was correct, that he could not charge the child, in a juvenile court, with a crime so severe, because a simple habeas corpus motion in PA would dismiss the case.

        I am not a lawyer, I am not in law school, and I’m confused by your argument, not with your motive behind it. I feel an insanity plea is warranted, and if successful, he’ll be eligible for a referral to the court on the date of his majority.

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        • Zw says:
          March 3, 2010 at 4:33 pm

          My “argument” is that an 11 year old should not be tried as an adult. This case is very difficult to take apart for me but I believe 1st degree murder is a stretch for the prosecutor. I’m simply venting not trying to upset anyone.

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          • Jason says:
            March 3, 2010 at 6:17 pm

            Do you understand that under PA law, he’d not be afforded a jury trial under a Juvenile court? Wouldn’t you rather this case be tried under a judge and jury? Additionally, how can you argue for a charge beneath first degree murder? How many court cases where the victim was shot in the back of the head at close range, were not charged as 1st degree murder? How can that be 2nd degree murder? How can that be Manslaughter?

            Think with your head, not your heart here, and you’ll catch on.

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            • Zw says:
              March 3, 2010 at 8:33 pm

              I’ll put this as simple as possible– I do understand your argument towards having Jordan tried as adult. I completely understand the benefits of having a jury trial, especially in a Criminal case. His age and other factors might sway a jury member and it only takes one. My point is if he is tried in juvenile court he will get out by the time he is 21 . There is no life sentence in Juvenile court. Is it worth it for Jordan’s family to risk his life on a mere gamble of sympathy by a juror? I don’t think so…

            • Jason says:
              March 3, 2010 at 8:49 pm

              Ouch, you miss my point Zw, he’d never serve another day with the right judge under juvenile court, he can’t have proper due process of law and exercise his full rights to confront his accuser under juvenile court, with a non-existent charge. This is murder and his defense could actually argue for murder, to relieve him of his charge.

              “A delinquent act is an act that would be considered a crime if committed by an adult. Any person charged with murder, however, no matter how young, will be charged as an adult in Pennsylvania.”
              http://www.jlc.org/factsheets/17/#def

      • NavyCop says:
        March 3, 2010 at 4:20 pm

        First, let me begin by saying that you are raising good hypothetical arguments. Now, let me inform you about evidence collection from an on-the-beat, foot-meets-pavement patrol officer perspective.
        A recently fired firearm does indeed have an acrid scent of gun powder, which fades in a rather short amount of time, in about one to three days, depending on how many times it was fired.
        Instead of using the term “assumptions” in regards to evidence, try the term “circumstantial.” Other than that… keep an open mind.

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        • NavyCop says:
          March 3, 2010 at 4:21 pm

          Oh, and I forgot to mention, I am a qualified Military Law Enforcement Instructor and have been for the past four years.

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          • Zw says:
            March 3, 2010 at 4:38 pm

            Hey Navy…have been following your posts for quite some time on this site and I really respect your opinions. I also can tell you are very intelligent. The smelly gun theory just didn’t seem that important to me… If this happened on a Tuesday and the family went hunting over the weekend would the gun still smell? More then likely I imagine. Thats my issue with that piece of evidence . Could this be picked apart by the defense? Like I said I’m still in school and all knowledge is good knowledge so your opinion on this would be greatly appreciated I always like to be able to look at these things from multiple views maybe I missed something. Thanks!

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            • NavyCop says:
              March 3, 2010 at 4:48 pm

              Like I said, it depends on how many times it was fired, if it was in rapid succession, and how recently. Granted, it is circumstantial, but people have been convicted with less.

          • Steph-Ann says:
            March 3, 2010 at 5:33 pm

            You go girl!! I think I have a girl-crush on NavyCop!! *sigh* lol… ;)

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    27. Zw says:
      March 3, 2010 at 3:43 pm

      I read this on another site it is not my writing it is another commenter whom I do not know the name of…It explains my feelings exactly and sites good examples

      PA has a long history of trying very young children as adults for purported murders, It’s a huge, powerful club for prosecutors who can force children into very unwise plea bargains out of sheer terror. The Djiin Buckingham case comes to mind – just last year a 12 year old boy was initially charged as an adult for “murder” because he apparently set fire to his home and a sibling accidentally died. The only evidence linking him to the crime was a “confession” extracted by a state trooper out of sight and hearing of a disinterested adult. More children in PA are serving life without parole than any other state in the Union. In the 1980′s PA set for adult trial the case of 9 year old Cameron Kocher who was charged with murdering his neighbor by shooting her off the back of a snow mobile. That case had a lot in common with the Brown case – the parents had taught the boy to shoot hard targets and the boy was purportedly angry when he shot the gun, and perhaps jealous. He claimed not to have seen the snow mobile when he shot from 300 yards away. Kocher ultimately pled to manslaughter. The prosecutor (who was later convicted of sexually assaulting children) was not re-elected and his replacement wanted to end the case. The boy has never been heard from again – he has not re-offended and he never served a minute in jail for the offense. Here, the prosecutor hopes to win headlines to help in his next political campaign – perhaps he wants to be a judge or something more than a prosecutor. He has overcharged the boy from the get-go (assuming even that the boy committed the crime). He knows all too well that the boy lacked the capacity to commit a crime against a “fetus.” He also knows that given the extreme youth of the child that he had diminished capacity. This case, like the Kocher case, is manslaughter if the police version is correct. It’s about an angry child who brews and stews and picks up an unsecured firearm and kills someone. The prosecutor hopes to win a reputation as honest and fair and decent because he will accept a third degree murder plea. Brown will be too terrified to go to trial – the possibility of life without parole will rule that out. Brown will be confined until his 21st birthday with no chance of release or community based services, which will ensure that he is completely institutionalized and incapable of operating as a normal person. He will be exposed to gang bangers and likely join a gang himself for protection. The “decent” prosecutor will perhaps allow for a lifetime of probabtion afterwards – or he may demand five or six years in an adult institution just to seal the deal and totally destroy the boy. When brown is released, he will be unable to obtain a job because of his adult record. He will be notorious and stories will be written about him upon his release. He will never lead a normal life. Which brings me to my final point. Frankly – I lack sympathy for the dead woman. Her gross negligence in living in a home where small children were permitted to keep firearms under their beds is what led to her own death – and the death of her fetus. She should have refused to live in that home until the guns were secured. Her husband should have been charged with her manslaughter as well for his grossly negligent behavior. If some stranger had been killed because the guns were stored loosely under childrens’ beds, the prosecutor would have gone after both parents. The family of the victim would have sued these people on the theory that they were negligent – and like the Kocher case, would have won their home owners insurance and their home. And that’s as it should be. The adults here refuse to accept responsibility for loose firearms because they want us to believe that the culture in PA is that people allow children to keep firearms in their rooms. That is not the case – only moronic, negligent, people allow children to keep firearms in this fashion. These people are not deserving of our sympathy – the boy is because had the adults been responsible, he would likely never have been charged with murder. It is time to start charging negligent adults with crimes in these cases. We do it in my state. Why hasn’t Dad been charged? Why hasn’t anyone raised the “victim’s” contributory conduct? I say Dad deserves ten years without parole for this killing.

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      • Zw says:
        March 3, 2010 at 3:49 pm

        Please disregard mention of no sympathy….I am extremely sympathetic to the victims…just wanted to mention that wasnt my view I was more interested in the aspects of the juvenile crime

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      • Max The Cat says:
        March 3, 2010 at 6:52 pm

        You make a lot of good points ZW, but I still have to disagree with you in Jordan Brown’s case. He thought about killing his soon-to-be stepmother and brother for a long time before actually going through with it. Manslaughter is the act of killing without intent to kill. There’s no question in my mind that this kid planned this murder out, not only to succeed in murdering Kenzie, but also to get away with it.

        Think about it. In his first attempt, he aborted when Kenzie’s then 7-year-old daughter saw him walking towards her mother’s room with the shotgun hidden under a blanket. He knew enough to not want any witnesses. He hid the shotgun so the little girl couldn’t see him carrying through the house, disposed of the spent shell afterward, and concocted a story about a mysterious black pickup to throw the police off the scent.

        I feel in my gut that in this specific case, adult penalties are necessary. Jordan Brown is evil, plain and simple.

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        • Zw says:
          March 3, 2010 at 8:49 pm

          Hey Max long time no see!! Good to see ya! We can’t agree on everything can we? I think we both have valid points..This is a tough case and I am thrilled to have no part in it. Cant wait for your next story..

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    28. USS Yorktown says:
      March 3, 2010 at 4:15 pm

      I wonder if Jordan Brown was a bully?

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      • vcbecky says:
        March 3, 2010 at 4:26 pm

        Supposedly he was. Check a bit further up in this discussion and you’ll see a mention of it. Hopefully someone will post a link to that information soon.

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    29. stormy weathers says:
      March 3, 2010 at 5:14 pm

      Stupid fucking Americans give a kid a gun then act surprised when he shoots someone…….What the fuck is a kid……no scarp that anyone doing with gun in this day and age.

      He is a child and not responsible for his actions who ever gave him the gun should be put in jail……Literally the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

      i mean what the fuck it’s the same right wing gun loving assholes who probably want to charge this kid as an adult…….he was fucking 11 for gods sake he needs a good shrink and better parenting not a hefty custodial sentence.

      what kind of sick society would charge a 12 year old as an adult?

      Oh wait the same society that sells youth sized shotguns

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      • Ben says:
        March 3, 2010 at 5:36 pm

        +1 – You said it much better than I have. Good post.

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      • Steph-Ann says:
        March 3, 2010 at 6:04 pm

        ….but tell us how you REALLY feel, Stormy!!…LMAO. Wa’sup baby, I missed you. =P But seriously! Just because someone’s young doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of doing evil…just to do it. When is evil doing ‘allowed’ to start in a person then? When did Charles Manson go from a sad, poor little boy—capable of being saved with a hug or maybe a good shrink—to the sinister mass murdering FUCKNUT (wink) we all know him to be? If Psychology worked then why isn’t CM and others like him fixed yet? God knows he’s been under the microscope for years! Some people you just gotta’ wash your hands of.

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        • Steph-Ann says:
          March 3, 2010 at 6:08 pm

          …and why ya hatin’ on Americans? Considering I AM one, should I take that comment personally? I’m NOT stupid…nor am I ‘fucking’…. at the moment! lol

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          • stormy weathers says:
            March 4, 2010 at 1:35 am

            No way steph that comment was not levied towards you……your lovely :)

            But fact of the matter is……..Tighter gun control and that woman would still be alive today period

            Stabbing someone or bludgeoning them to death is far different from pulling a trigger and I don’t think that kid had it in him to do it (could be wrong but doubt it)

            At a risk of sounding like Michael Moore i’ll say THIS WOMEN AND CHILD WERE VICTIMS OF AMERICAS GUN CULTURE.

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            • Mulch says:
              March 4, 2010 at 2:04 am

              American Gun Culture? What a bucket of piss. thats just another trem made up to make American gun owners look like redneks. What about the Brittish football hooligan “culture”. How many innocent have been swept up in riots and brawls. How many shop and bar owners have had properts destroyed?

              How about the German beer “culture” how many alkies are running around in Germany? How many drunk drivers murder innocent people every year?

              Should I go on with that bullshit?

              Michale Moore is a lying sack of shit as can be seen at http://www.moorewath.com. Have alook. His books and movies have een taken appart and ripped to shreds.

              You don’t like guns? You don’t wantto own them? Fine with me. No one is insulting you for that. No one is trying to take away your right to choose. So why do so many feel it is thier right, sometimes thier duty to take away my right?

              All of you who wet yer panties over guns answer me one single question truefully:
              What kills a gun or a person? A simple one word answer is enough. No need to go in to situations because I have police records of enough people whos life was saved by simply owning a weapon and never firing it. Please answer the question.

            • Steph-Ann says:
              March 4, 2010 at 9:39 am

              I agree one hundred percent, those guns should have been locked up tight, besides the boy there were two little girls in the home as well. The father should most definitely be looking at charges of some sort!! I’m not a pro-gun fanatic, but I’m not against them either. Personally they make me nervous, but as a single mom with two youngins it’s nice to know I have the option. Do I think the young lady would still be alive today if Jordon hadn’t had access?… IDK…tough to say. Maybe alive today, but probably not for long. He had it in for her, obviously. It would’ve been just a matter of time before he had both size and stregnth to attack and kill the woman any way he saw fit.

            • Steph-Ann says:
              March 4, 2010 at 10:20 am

              BTW….I can hear your accent when you rant, just so you know, you can yell at ME any time!! Grr… LOL

            • vcbecky says:
              March 4, 2010 at 12:35 pm

              Mulch, post a sexy photo of yourself. Stormy can’t argue with hot people, he’s said as much! ;)

              In my opinion, when you were 8 and you were allowed to have a gun in your bedroom, your parents made a mistake. NO, nothing bad happened. But it could have. When it comes to children, you have to err on the side of caution or you’re just asking for something to happen. I mean no insult to you or your parents, Mulch. This is just my opinion. Obviously you’re not a murdering criminal. When you killed in the military, that was entirely different.

              Jordan was a bully. I’m sure his parents knew about it. Why would you let a lose cannon like that have easy access to a fire arm?

              I think people should be allowed to own guns, provided they keep the guns locked away from children and anyone else who shouldn’t have one unsupervised. Mistakes do happen, why tempt fate?

              My father owned several guns. I used to go to the range with him all the time, and I was a pretty damn good shot myself. I am not anti-gun, or pro-gun just like I’m neither anti, or pro-fork. I prefer forks over chopsticks, but I can get by with either. They are all tools.

              If we outlaw a tool because of the potential it has for hurting people, we need to take a look at power drills, scissors, sewing machines, leg razors and kitchen knives. Outlaw those, and we are all homeless, naked, hairy and hungry. It’s stupid.

            • Steph-Ann says:
              March 4, 2010 at 2:34 pm

              ROFL….. VC, you crack me up. I’ll get Stormy Normy riled up again, so that he’s forced to yell at me! I’m just biding my time! =) *wink, wink*

            • NavyCop says:
              March 4, 2010 at 3:17 pm

              I’m gonna go with Mulch on this one and say WTF!? Seriously!? America’s gun culture, huh? Let me tell YOU something, Stormster, I grew up with a gun in close reach at all times. I grew up out in the backwoods of Central Massachusetts, where it was not uncommon to have B&E’s because of lack of lighting and easy targets. Hell, I drove to highschool with a shotgun in the back window of my Ford Ranger.
              If Jordan’s dad neglected to teach him gun safety, fine, blame him. However, since Jordan was allowed easy access to the firearm, he must have had some safety training from his father.
              Owning a gun does not make me a criminal. Using the gun to kill an intruder or someone attacking me does not make me the bad guy. Intentionally putting the business end of a firearm to someone’s head when they have done nothing to provoke me makes me a criminal. Jordan killed Kenzie and her unborn child in cold blood with a high-powered firearm that he knew how to use safely. He even concealed it. That’s not because of “America’s Gun Culture.” That’s because he is a sociopathic little bastard who didn’t want to share Daddy with new people.

            • vcbecky says:
              March 4, 2010 at 4:04 pm

              Steph-Ann, the way you two are going on in here, you better be careful I don’t whip out my de-sexing stick and wave it around most un-sexily.

            • NavyCop says:
              March 4, 2010 at 4:07 pm

              *raising hand* Mistress VC, what’s a de-sexing stick?

            • Steph-Ann says:
              March 4, 2010 at 4:28 pm

              ROFLMAO!….MA’AM YES MA’AM!!! =P

            • vcbecky says:
              March 4, 2010 at 4:48 pm

              Go to Youtube. Look up ” The Professor Brothers – Bible History #1 (Sodom & Gomorrah)” to learn all about the de-sexing stick and its place in biblical history. It is truly an awesome thing.

        • stormy weathers says:
          March 4, 2010 at 1:41 am

          Hey don’t get me started on charlie man he’s a national treasure…

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      • Samildanach says:
        March 3, 2010 at 7:26 pm

        Whilst I don’t entirely agree with Stormy’s sentiments … I have to agree in part.

        When a society has guns laying around the house, and gives kids free access to them – what the hell do you expect to happen? Seriously?

        I know it doesn’t ALWAYS happen. I know these are isolated incidents that occur in an infinitesimally small percentage of the households who have guns …. but it’s like the infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters theory ….

        Had the guns been locked away maybe he would have used a knife fromt he kitchen … or used a bit of rope .. or maybe .. just maybe … he wouldn’t have killed her at all.

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        • Mulch says:
          March 4, 2010 at 1:25 am

          Can anyone tell me inthe last 5 years how many people were murdered by people LEGALLY owning thier firearms? I can and everyone would be very suprised. I wasn’t. I am a gun owner and have been for many years now. Never so much as an accident with a single weapon I own.

          Then again I don’t wet myself at the thought of others practicing thier rights and I don’t demand anyone lose any more of the few rights they have left like many out there.

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          • Samildanach says:
            March 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm

            LOL Mulch. You aint gonna budge on your opinion of this one. And I am not going to try to pursuade you. We can agree to disagree.

            I am from Australia where we have a VERY different culture as it relates to firearms than the US.

            My dad owned guns and went shooting …. I have fired guns. I actually have no objection to guns in general. As you say they are inanimate objects.

            BUT … and you knew it was coming didn’t ya …. the more readily available they are the more people get shot. Sure most of these guins are not legally owned… but IIRC a hell of a lot of them were once, they get stolen in burglaries, etc.

            No offence to all you Septics … but I wouldn’t switch living in Oz for the US. At least I know that if I acceidentally step on a dudes foot in line at the movies all I am gonna get is a cold stare :P (Or a knifing … apparently that’s pretty big here nowadays)

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            • stormy weathers says:
              March 5, 2010 at 1:43 am

              Shit I thought you’d be more worried about a giant killer boar or a crocodiles in Australia if the movies are anything to go buy.

            • Mulch says:
              March 5, 2010 at 1:51 am

              @Samildanach Nope not going to budge an inch here. But we can disagree and still be civil. I have no problems with a different opinion. Your right and I hope no one completly shares my opinions. Would be a very boaring conversation…. :)

              I am not tying to sway a single opinion. Only trying to hange how you form that opinion. Look at not only both sides but all sides. I know of abotu 3 reasons to make guns illegal. Very solid reasons that I agree with. But I know 500 reasons to keep them legal. Very solid reasons.

              I WILL go to Aussiland someday. I have always wanted to go. The people are cool. I’ve met a few and feel good talking to them. Friendly, opne laidback people. Like that.

            • Mulch says:
              March 5, 2010 at 1:52 am

              @Stormy bigger boars in Czech Rep. I was on a boar hunt and I saw what I still sware was a 1100 pound boar. I had him dead in sights. I didn’t pull because he looked very proud. Would have been a crime to kill him.

            • stormy weathers says:
              March 5, 2010 at 2:42 am

              Jesus man that sounds like the pig from hell……have you ever seen the Australian film Razorback about the giant killer boar it’s pretty ridiculous and cheesy but it’s also a total blast man……would probably bring back memories for you dude ;)

            • Mulch says:
              March 5, 2010 at 3:27 am

              No movie, in the history of movies is better than any B film.

              Yes I ahve seen Razorback and I loved. it.

              Real boars will only atack if feel threatned. In the Czech Rep we have fed them sometimes. they eat out of our hands. We have to go further east for real hunting. I won’t kill domesticated animals in the woods. No sport not real respect.

              I love to track. My dad and I once in Ohio tracked a deer for 3 days untill we saw him. Very nice animal. We didn’t shoot him either. He looked way too proud. We did take a picture.

              Just remember that hunters respet the land more than any hippy I have ever met. We respect the animals. We respect the hunt. Yes there are exceptions. The so called weekend warriors. These we we take a very wide birth.

              No part of any animal I have hunted gets thrown in the trash. Everything has a use or can be sold. And we did. I used to make a shitload hunting.

            • stormy weathers says:
              March 5, 2010 at 4:33 am

              Oh yeah I can totally vibe with that man. I’m no vegetarian and people that say hunting is barbaric piss me off to. (unless it’s fox hunting which is a fucking vile practice or clubbing baby seals)

              Harvesting your own food it’s pretty much the most respectful way of consuming meat man most hunters i have met like my grandfather had a great respect for animals and it was almost like hunting wasn’t fun for them but almost a spiritual ritualistic thing.

      • Mulch says:
        March 4, 2010 at 1:22 am

        Again my first relover at age 5. I have never murdered anyone. Killed in 91 yes but that was my fucking job. That is what I was paid to do. Since I got out of the Army I haven’t killed anyone. Funny that?

        I talked to my brother last night. His first rifle at age 6. He was also in the Army for the first Gulf War. He has credited kills but he still hasn’t killed anyone.

        A shotgun is a piee of machined metal and wood. It is nothign but a tool.

        Now I’ll take a page from Stormy. All you left wing hankey stompers who wet yerselvs at the thought of a gun near you can go jump off a bridge. You live in a dream world and are afraid of a piece of metal. Are you also afraid of a car or a stove. Both can kill just as fast and as easy as a gun. How about a telephone. I could kill a person with that should we outlaw them too?

        Wake the hell up guns can not kill only a person behind the trigger can kill. To think other wise is just ignorance.

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        • stormy weathers says:
          March 4, 2010 at 1:54 am

          No your totally right Mulch my man but life would be a much better place if everyone was as stable and well rounded as you an your brother appear to have been

          But shit the way i see guns is hat they are Death machines (almost like death rays)……You know you point it at what you want dead push a button then whammo the fuckers are gone.

          And that is a real scary thing t give a kid especially as they have not reached emotional maturity and can’t quite comprehend the severity of heir actions …….I mean as weird as it must sound to an American i have never held a gun in my life nor do I want to.

          But there was times growing up that if I had one I may have columbined my school up or shot a family member an regretted it instantly but it’s like when your a young kid you have temper tantrums (almost all kids do)……..now you give your kid a gun while he’s having one of those episodes then you can kiss your ass goodbye because the little fucker will shoot you.

          I mean these kids are raised on real violent video games to and are desensitised to violence…..

          no like our generation I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we’d all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music…….. ;)

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          • Mulch says:
            March 4, 2010 at 2:56 am

            Stormy join a gun club. Take the saftey classes. Learn something about them before you cast them out. I’m not saying you should run out and buy a gun. Not at all. AllI am saying is that you need to educate yerself better to form a more solid opinion. I donÄt want to change you in any way. But you also need to understand both sides.

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            • stormy weathers says:
              March 4, 2010 at 3:25 am

              I totally hear you my good man but i don’t know if i would want to have that much power really it seems like a scary thing to me you know you literally have the power of life and death over someone with the pull of a trigger and don’t get me wrong i know you can kill people in other fashions but guns make it too easy.

              I have held a gun once and it wasn’t loaded but it gave me a real weird feeling you know it was like a total penis extension you know i just wanted to fuck things with this gun (not literally) but it was far too much for me to handle man……You know wielding that kind of power is intense man and kids I think just couldn’t handle it.

              But anyway you probably are a very safe gun owner and it is your rights to have one but for every cool guy like you is some fuck head who will use it to destructive ends and unfortunately there isn’t a psych evaluation for gun licenses which i think there should be.

              But an 11 year old that is threatened by his step mum shouldn’t be anywhere near a gun because this kind of shit will happen and yeah he kid must share some of the blame.

              I was over in the US last year and what scared me is that guns were everywhere and it was legal to own them even before you can drink alcohol which is scary to me I’d rather see kids shit faced than armed. (not that we don’t have some underground gun culture in England but it’s generally confined to inner city gangs and any shooting makes the national press)

              But i guess we’re from different cultures but personally guns scare the fuck out of me man

            • Mulch says:
              March 4, 2010 at 4:25 am

              You have more power whenyou own and drive a car. It scares me more being unarmed. I am not some nut case lookingto kill everythingin sight. I am stabil and solid. But not everyone is. Breakins are becoming more and more commen here in Germany. Everyone just says get a better lock…..I have 2 pistols for home defense. Both are unloaded and the magazines are in seporate locations. So if one night someone decides to break in to my place I have to get out of bed, take 4 steps and grab my pistol, go around my bed taking another 7 steps to get the magizine. Then load, charge and only then am I ready. Th weapon is still on safe. I have practiced many times in the dark wiht eyes closed. It takes me about 1.5 min to do all this. By that time I am awake and can think better than if the weapon was loaded under my pillow.

              I am a gun owner not stupid.

              Power is exactly what you take. I hit the gym 5 times a week. I am stronger than most I meet on the streets. I could break an arm easy enough yet I choose not to. I could kill easy enough with a baseball bat yet I choose not to.

              You don’t like guns no probs with me. Your choice andI will not do or say anything against that. Not who or what I am. I only want to see opinions fromed with ALL the information not just for lazy useless reasons.

              Guns are not everywhere in the US. There are rules and regulations. There are laws. To think otherwise is not knowing the whole truth.

            • stormy weathers says:
              March 4, 2010 at 5:01 am

              Jesus dude you sound like a lethal kind of guy I’d hate to be some burglar robbing your house man……it’s not that i don’t like guns I think i liked them a bit too much and that shit kind of scared me.

              Me I’m pretty much a flower punk/hippie you know smoke the green, trip out and wield a fuzzy guitar…..like Brian Wilson I’m all about the good vibrations but even I have a couple of weapons strategically placed round my house for security (hammer/sword/sharpened screwdriver) pretty medieval I know but i can see where your coming from in that respect……you have to look after your own……But shanking or hammering someone is a lot different than shooting them in my estimation…..you need to be in a frenzy to off someone with screwdriver or a hammer…….with a gun you just pull a trigger and the fucker is dead

              It’s just i think kids should be kept away from guns as I think most people are not responsible enough to have one……Not saying that your not I mean you’ve grown up with them and you ain’t killed people (I hope) but I wouldn’t trust an 11 year old with one that’s for sure.

            • Mulch says:
              March 4, 2010 at 7:42 am

              I’m not deadly. I just have different experienes and lessons from life than you do. I am no better wor worse than anyone else. You have nothing to fear if you come with only good intentions in mind. Uninvited people whill be carried out. I will do my best not to kill them but I will get lead in to them.

              I am a peace loving person myself. I love a good beer at a good show with good people. I am only ready for trouble. Sadly. I truels wish it were different. But It never really is.

            • vcbecky says:
              March 4, 2010 at 12:36 pm

              DID SOMEBODY SAY ‘PENIS’???

        • Steph-Ann says:
          March 4, 2010 at 9:51 am

          Totally agree! ANYTHING can be ued as a weapon! You can stab someone with a spoon, if you thrust hard enough! …. ouch.

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        • USS Yorktown says:
          March 4, 2010 at 11:25 am

          Guns are an inanimate object. It only kills because people make it kill because of what is going on in that person’s head. Anything can kill, like a knife, baseball bat, car, etc.

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      • Samildanach says:
        March 4, 2010 at 6:18 pm

        Just as a bit of an aside/extension on the whole gun thing … I was watching a documentary at one stage about guns in the US. They had footage of a gun store (I think it was in Texas or New Mexico) and there … on the sales floor .. was a .50 cal vehicle mounted machine gun.

        How in the name of all that is holy do you justify that one?

        Pistol for self defence or home defence … we can agree to disagree on that.

        Rifle or shotgun for hunting … sure.

        WTF is the .50 calibre machine gun for?

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        • Mulch says:
          March 5, 2010 at 1:11 am

          Have you ever fired one? How about a collection item? How about becasue the owner just loves to fire the MaDuce? How about saying “Fuck it I can”?

          True freedon is not being allowed to do something but true freedon is having the right and ability to choose. I choose to own weapons. I choose to take the responsibility of keeping the weapons safe, clean and servicable. That is true freedom.

          In countries like France or the UK you have a lot less freedom of choice. Why people what to live in those countries I have no idea.

          Here in Germany my freedom to choose is not as good as it is in the US but it’s not too bad.

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    30. Samildanach says:
      March 3, 2010 at 7:18 pm

      If he was a 30 year old with the mental capacity of an 11 year old he would be considered as having a mental disability and would be accorded at least some measure of leniency because of this.

      I am afraid I am gonna go against the flow on this one.

      Did he know it was wrong? – Yes

      Did he know that when you kill someone they stay dead? – Yes

      Did he cold bloodedly shoot her despite knowing it was wrong? – Yes

      Did he have the same understanding of the totality of his actions and their consequences as an adult would have? – I don’t think so

      Problem is he DID kill someone. That has to have a lasting effect .. and the time he is bound to spend locked up (regardless of whether he is tried as a child or an adult) will also have a lasting effect.

      Once he is finished whatever sentence he receives (assuming it is not life without parole) is he going to be a normal and productive member of society? Or is he going to be a psychopathic killer?

      This is where I DO agree with the masses …. as harsh as it sounds … I would rather not take the chance. I would not be prepared to put the life of some unknown innocent 10-20-30 years from now at risk for the benefit of a KNOWN KILLER. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

      And for those of you who have trotted out examples of killer-kids who have never gotten into trouble before … look up Edmund Kemper. He is the other end of the scale.

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      • Samildanach says:
        March 3, 2010 at 7:21 pm

        “And for those of you who have trotted out examples of killer-kids who have never gotten into trouble before”

        This should read who have never gotten into trouble after their release.

        I should read this shit before I hit submit.

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        • Miwist says:
          March 3, 2010 at 8:29 pm

          That’s my whole point. Regardless of age, a murder was commited and measures were taken to conceal the identity of the perp – he knew what he was doing. I’m not willing to take a chance on ever releasing this kid –
          I agree that he may not appreciate the severity of his actions because of his age, but that doesn’t change anything for Kenzie Houk or her family – just lock him up and throw away the key.

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      • Zw says:
        March 3, 2010 at 8:42 pm

        I cant agree with the reference to Kemper he displayed psychotic behavior since childhood. He was a pyromaniac and performed bizarre sexual acts with his sister’s dolls. Not to mention he showed a liking to necrophilia. Jordan killed his step mother at an early age, Kemper killed both grandparents I think that’s about all they have in common. Loved to see his name pop up in your post though..you must be like me and search out all types of cases! By the way I totally agreed with the first part of your post and thought it was very well written. :)

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    31. ApriL says:
      March 3, 2010 at 7:27 pm

      I don’t think anyone can be rehabilitated from MURDERING! I don’t care how old they are, or how “disturbed” anyone is. He needs to pay for his crime, just as anyone else. From his mugshot, he looks to me, what a new york gangster probably looked like at that age. creepy.

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    32. DeeDee says:
      March 4, 2010 at 12:40 am

      All killers are not psychopaths and all psychopaths do not kill. I have not read any report from a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist that has determined this child to be a psychopath.

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      • Steph-Ann says:
        March 4, 2010 at 10:14 am

        Hi DeeDee,
        True enough, but clinically proven to be a psychopath or not, I sure wouldn’t have him under my roof over night with my bedroom door unlocked. Would you?

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    33. Harley Quinn says:
      March 4, 2010 at 9:56 am

      Here are a couple of articles I found stating that Jordan was a rough kid, and threatened Kenzie before and even said he wanted to do this to her. I saw that other people asked for them, I hope I’m not stepping on Max’s toes here – he did a wonderful job here as always.

      http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/02/25/jordan-brown-11-shot-and-killed-kenzie/

      http://a11news.com/1472/jordan-brown/

      Now here’s what I have to say after reading these articles. Wake up people. Little Jordan woke up for school one day with a mission. To extract the thorn in his side that was Kenzie, her daughters, and the son that was only 2 weeks away from cementing Kenzie into Jordan’s world. Kenzie was going to name the baby Christopher, no doubt after the baby’s father. They were on their way to a loving family. Jordan didn’t want little baby Christopher running around. Before Kenzie came along, it was just him and daddy. They went hunting. They bonded. Father and son against the world. Then Kenzie shows up, and daddy doesn’t focus on just Jordan anymore. Daddy loves Kenzie and her little girls. Maybe sometimes dad is too busy tending to the woman carrying his son than he is to take Jordan shooting, or help Jordan with his homework. Dad still loves Jordan, but all Jordan can see is these 3 girls draining the affection out of his life. Everybody dotes on a pregnant woman, or an adorable 4 year old girl, and even a newborn…there’s only so much doting to go around. Nobody was doting on Jordan anymore. Kenzie cared about Jordan. She worked hard to be his family, to care for him, despite the tension that was glaring and obvious to everybody. What did Jordan do? Lament that he was going to kill her. Threaten her. There is no apparent evidence that Kenzie ever tormented this boy. Only that she wanted to be his family. Who knows, maybe the night before she was just a bitch to him. Maybe she wasn’t feeling good due to the pregnancy and snapped at him a little. Maybe she told him to get off of his punk ass and clean his room or fold some clothes because it was difficult for her to bend over. Maybe she sent him to his room because he was pulling his sisters hair. Maybe Jordan is just an evil little bastard who wanted nothing more than to be the center of attention again.

      He woke up that day with a plan. He took his guns to Kenzie’s room and when Kenzie’s daughter saw him, he doubled back. He doubled back and hid the gun. He had that moment to change his mind. He was committed to his goal. This was no spur of the moment, immature lack of judgment. This was deliberate and calculated. He did the deed, put his gun away, and went to school. Kenzie’s daughter saw him drop something before getting on the bus. The police found the spent shotgun shell in that same spot. Coincidence? No way. He ditched evidence to deter police from the crime HE committed. That’s not all the deterring he did. He told police about a mysterious black truck on the property. He sent them on a wild goose chase on a false lead. Not only that, he possibly tried framing somebody else. He said the black truck probably belonged to the person responsible for feeding the cattle. No doubt that person was questioned.

      Jordan planned this. This was cold, calculated, and meticulous. He planned this better than some adult criminals might have. This was just another selfish act of a bully. Anybody denying that is no better than Diane Schuler’s family sitting there with blank stares insisting she didn’t have a substance abuse problem.

      Not only did he pull this heinous act off with a hitch, it didn’t cost him much. Yes he’s confined to a detention center. Where he can play all the games he wants, and is showered with more love and affection than ever before. He’s not fine because he can’t grasp the magnitude of what’s happening to him. He’s fine because he got what he wanted. Kenzie and her baby are gone forever, and he’s getting more attention than he knows what to do with. Why should he feel sorry? Why should he be sad? Everybody has something to say to and about him now. Nobody will ever overlook him again.

      Look into that pudgy little face. He’s not sad, he’s not shocked. He’s not even angry. He’s just bored. He’s indifferent. He doesn’t care. He has no reason to. Everybody loves him and bleeding hearts will make sure he never catches a glimpse of the justice that’s waiting around the corner for him. Does Kenzie deserve that? Baby Christopher, who never saw the light of day? Two little 5 and 8 year old girls who will never see their mother again? Why deprive them of that? Jordan isn’t “still developing”. He’s definitely “developed” into an evil jr. sociopath. Put him away and give Kenzie’s family some peace.

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      • USS Yorktown says:
        March 4, 2010 at 11:23 am

        Sounds like a bully and psychopath to me.

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      • KatONine says:
        March 4, 2010 at 11:39 am

        You said everything I wanted to, thank you.

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      • vcbecky says:
        March 4, 2010 at 12:39 pm

        Harley, you should write for PYSIH.

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        • Harley Quinn says:
          March 4, 2010 at 12:53 pm

          Oh you! Flatterer :)

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          • vcbecky says:
            March 4, 2010 at 1:09 pm

            Pfft, I’m serious! Your post was very well-written. I enjoyed reading it the way I enjoy reading full articles here. Good job!

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            • Harley Quinn says:
              March 4, 2010 at 1:23 pm

              Thank you! I never fancied myself a writer. More of a complainer lol.

            • vcbecky says:
              March 4, 2010 at 7:21 pm

              You are very articulate, complaining or not. Some points are complicated to get across online, and you did admirably. TALK TO MAX ABOUT WRITING FOR PYSIH! That is, if you wanna. No pressure, I just think we’d all enjoy it if you have the time to do so. :)

            • Harley Quinn says:
              March 4, 2010 at 7:55 pm

              If PYSIH will have me, I’d love to help out. I’m not sure how successful I am writing on purpose though. That just kinda came out of my fingers.

            • Max The Cat says:
              March 4, 2010 at 7:58 pm

              Are you kidding – when can you start? Anyone who has talent like you have and is willing to write for us is most welcome. Email me at editorpysih@comcast.net and I’ll send you the details on how to get started.

            • Max The Cat says:
              March 5, 2010 at 3:47 am

              Are you kidding – when can you start? Anyone who has talent like you have and is willing to write for us is most welcome. Email me at editorpysih@comcast.net and I’ll send you the details on how to get started.

        • Harley Quinn says:
          March 4, 2010 at 1:20 pm

          Honestly I just spilled everything that’s bothering me about people’s simple minded conclusion that you can’t charge him to the extent of the horrific crime he committed simply because he’s only been living and breathing for a certian number of years.

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          • dani says:
            March 4, 2010 at 3:21 pm

            Amazing post. and you pointed out what i had been wanting to get across to thick headed people. I mean, a hundred years ago 11 year olds were sometimes the sole providers for the families. It wasnt until the laws allowed them to be soft and act like children that stuff like this was even thought of being excused. even in the past they would have locked up him for life in a mental institution, even at his age. Just because he is eleven doesnt mean he didnt know what was going to happen. He was a hunter (so he knew the dead do not come back) lied, hid evidence, and tried to cover his tracks. what more do people want, this stupd waste of space to dance a jig saying “i did it” while smiling so they will believe?

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      • E says:
        March 4, 2010 at 2:27 pm

        Here here, Harley. You said it well, and I agree with every word. I’m so frustrated with the folks who can’t see beyond the fact that this kid has been alive for 11 years. His every action is a concrete illustration of his ability to think and plan like an adult psychopath. What’s so hard about this?

        You GO girl.

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      • Max The Cat says:
        March 4, 2010 at 7:04 pm

        This is exactly what I’ve been trying to get a cross to everyone since we published the original story on this kid Harley. You did a superb job of spelling things out in a way that everyone could understand. This isn’t about age. or the who matures when and how much they can understand about this or that, at least as not the way I see it. This is about one young boy and his actions one February morning in 2009. The fact is if you didn’t know he was 11, and someone told you what happened that day, none of you would guess an 11 year old boy was the perpetrator. That’s because Jordan pulled off an adult crime with adult planning and adult ruthlessness, and he needs to be locked away from the rest of us forever. Otherwise, I promise you all this kid will kill again – mark my words.

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    34. Budgiegirl says:
      March 4, 2010 at 5:14 pm

      To those who think this psycho (and yes, I am diagnosing him as a psychopath), can be rehabilitated, do a search on Jesse Pomeroy.

      Live and learn.

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      • NavyCop says:
        March 4, 2010 at 5:25 pm

        No offense, but I’m thinking more along the lines of sociopath. No conscience whatsoever. Jordan eyes look empty and evil.

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      • stormy weathers says:
        March 5, 2010 at 1:47 am

        To those who think this psycho (and yes, I am diagnosing him as a psychopath), CAN’T be rehabilitated, do a search on Salvador Agron

        Live & Learn baby!!!!!

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        • Budgiegirl says:
          March 5, 2010 at 6:37 am

          Ed Kemper (15 or so & murdered grandparents – went on to kill more)
          James Bradley & Peter Barratt (both aged 8 y.o. 1861)
          Robert Thompson & Jon Venables (Bulger case)
          Mary Bell
          William Allnutt
          Willie Bosket
          Pauline Parker & Juliet Hume
          Bruce George Peter Lee
          Melinda Loveless
          Laurie Tackett
          and so on………

          So while there may be the odd one or two that was worth a pinch of shit, the vast majority are just plain old waste of space.

          In life, you learn who to avoid if at all possible. If you don’t learn, then you risk becoming a victim. Jordan is someone who needs to be removed for the protection of society; he has nothing to offer society now and I doubt he ever did.

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        • VCBecky says:
          March 6, 2010 at 11:59 am

          One case of supposed rehabilitation does not wipe away centuries of history that say the opposite is true, Stormy.

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    35. NavyCop says:
      March 4, 2010 at 5:28 pm

      Damn, can’t frickin spell. Should read “Jordan’s eyes look empty and evil.”

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    36. DeeDee says:
      March 4, 2010 at 7:37 pm

      The terms sociopath and psychopath are used interchangeably as they describe the same anti social personality disorder. The general description is the same. No understanding of how their behavior affects others and no concern for the needs or feelings of others or regard for societies rules and laws. Some use the term psychopath to describe more “extreme” antisocial behavior. Most law enforcement agencies refer to a psychopath as a sociopath who has committed a crime. This boy may be a sociopath however, how can any of us judge that from one crime and “evil eyes.”
      I fail to understand a comparison between Jesse Pomeroy and Jordan Brown. Pomeroy had been accused of numerous attacks on young children before he was convicted and placed in “juvenile prison.” When let out early he killed again. Jesse killed children younger and weaker than him, some of who were complete strangers to him. He also tortured and mutilated them. His crimes took place over a decade. Jesse killed for no other reason than the pure pleasure it brought him. Jordan did not kill a stranger, torture or mutilate, nor has he been accused of such attacks before. It is just silly to compare the two. What Jordan did was sick and unwarranted but it is in no way in the same category of depravity as the crimes of Jesse Pomeroy.
      I find myself wondering if Jordon Brown were thin and blond, crying in his arrest picture and had the record of a shy child who had been bullied by others, if the comments would be the same?

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      • NavyCop says:
        March 4, 2010 at 7:51 pm

        Jordan hid the weapon under a blanket. He put the muzzle to Kenzi’s skull and fired. He destroyed the evidence and made up some hog-wash story about a stranger.
        For a kid who never had any trouble before, Jordan sure has it in spades now. He had to have ideations about the crime before he committed it. He may not have acted on them immediatly, but eventually, Kenzi wound up with a bullet in her skull. Oh and lest we forget, her unborn child died sometime after. The fetus wouldn’t have died right away. He (as the fetus was developed enough to tell gender) probably died about an hour later.
        Nobody, NOBODY, in his/her right mind just up and shoots somebody. This has all the earmarks of being a planned crime, cold and calculated to the Nth degree.

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    37. DeeDee says:
      March 4, 2010 at 8:43 pm

      Navy Cop I agree with you totally. So if that is the case why the hell did the kid have a loaded shot gun in his home? Why wasn’t he in counseling and why would the father leave his girlfriend and her children in the house with a child who had made such treats? I want to understand why it is so wrong for a child to be jealous, to feel pushed out , and to feel sad for being displaced by a woman and “her” children? (I am not saying that is justification for murder so don’t jump on that band wagon.) Some of you are spitting that stuff out like the 11 year old kid should have just sucked it up and found a new “best buddy” to bond with. My point is that it was the father’s responsibility to make the child feel loved, to keep his home a safe place and to balance the child he had with the one he was going to have. No I wouldn’t want the kid under my roof as he is now. However, how the hell did a 11 year old boy come to think that this was the only option he had? If he is a psychopath the question is moot but we don’t know that. My heart aches for everyone in this case except one. When an adult uses his childhood as justification for murder and other crimes it is weak because as an adult they can choose to seek help. Where does a child have to turn? This is a tragedy which might have been prevented if the people involved had been as concerned about how the boy was acting as you folks are now.

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      • NavyCop says:
        March 4, 2010 at 9:00 pm

        How was anyone supposed to know that Jordan had these ideations? Did he tell anybody? Did he talk to his dad about Kenzi and her kids moving in? Or did he just react to the situation in an obscenely innapropriate manner? There are so many questions that probably won’t be answered. I keep a loaded weapon in my home, I have always been around loaded weapons. Usually it’s loaded because of the idea that somebody might happen to break in and I want to protect my family and home. Please, don’t blame the weapon, blame the individual whose finger was on the trigger.
        Guns don’t kill people, People kill people.

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    38. DeeDee says:
      March 4, 2010 at 10:44 pm

      My point exactly, We don’t know the answers to those questions NavyCop. Why do you want to believe that he acted all happy on the outside and just decided to do this out of the blue? Blame the weapon? Not sure where you got that idea. It says in the news stories that Jordan told a friend that he “was going to do just what he did to her.” I have read here that Jordan “was a bully.” It doesn’t matter what’s going on in a kid’s head, they should not be allowed to have an unsupervised weapon in their room. You are right, guns don’t kill, people do. I have loaded weapons in my home, (surprise!) locked away in a gun safe or on my husband’s person. Do you have three children under age 11 in your home? Do your children have loaded shot guns in their room? However, if a child can’t have a loaded gun with out his father present he won’t use it to shoot someone. As for “carrying this crime out like an adult.” Yeah right…. Most adults would hide the gun in their room without cleaning it, go to school in the clothes they were wearing during the crime, and make up an implausible story. I am not sure why this case has gotten to me. Most of the time I agree that the majority of the folks featured on this site should go straight to hell. For some reason this case bothers me. Maybe because our children are killing people and people are killing our children. We need to believe this child is a sociopath so we can feel safe that it could never happen to us. Everyday we read about children killed by their parent’s “bed buddy.” There are thousands of children we will never read about who are not killed or who do not kill. They manage to grow up though neglected or ignored so Daddy or Mommy “can move on with their life.” It is a lot easier to believe Jordan was “just a sick little fucker” than to think this crime may have been prevented.

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      • Mulch says:
        March 5, 2010 at 12:57 am

        OK Dee I’ll take the bait. How would you have prevented this? What would you have done soooooo different?

        If a human being want to kill someone he/she will always find a way. This time it was a shotgun. Had that not have been handy I am sure a knife would have done the job too. Maybe a hammer of baseball bat?

        People here are putting way too much credit on the weapon and are simply forgetting that the weapon is only a tool. Shouldn’t have a shotgun in his room unsupervised? What a crock of shit. I had 3 weapons in my room whe nI was his age. No murders in my past. But then again I knew what the weapons could do to a human body. As this shit was a hunter he knew also. Difference is I cared he didn’t.

        Keep blaming the guys people. Take away the guns from people. Lock em all up, destroy em. But I will advise you to look ad Washington DC and the violent crime rates there. Before and after the gun ban. Then look real close at after the ban was lifted. Of have a look at the UK before and after the last gun grab.

        If in Germany the ownership of weapons would come down and people came to my place to take them away from he I would hand em over. After the ammo and I would give them to thier dead bodies. That is a promise. Yes I would fight. And yes it would be very worth it.

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    39. Anon says:
      March 5, 2010 at 1:13 am

      If we’re treating him like an adult, lets let him drink, drive, have sex, and vote.

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    40. DeeDee says:
      March 5, 2010 at 1:14 am

      You read things in to my post that I do not say. This kid did not just kill anyone. He didn’t go to school one day with a gun and start shooting people he didn’t know. He didn’t torture the little girl down the street. He killed someone he knew his father loved. He did it with other children in the house. You are right this 11 year old kid is a monster and should be locked away forever. So is the sick puke who beats a little baby to death because the poor little innocent won’t stop crying. That goes for the gang of friends who would torture and kill their “pregnant” friends. There have always been psychos, murderers, and perverts in this world. Just seems like lately so many of them are under the age of 18.

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      • Mulch says:
        March 5, 2010 at 1:44 am

        Sad aint it Dee?

        Parents are no longer allwed to discpline thier kids. No longer can teachers displine any kid. There are no conciquences(sp) for kids anymore. No longer does a kid have to try and be better. He just has to cry and all will be handed to him/her.

        Fuck it. I will discpline my daughter when it is needed. I will do so fairly but as it should be. She will know in her mind when she does something wrong. She will understand why it is wrong. I will spank her when needed but I will reward for something done well. As I have been doing for the last 12 years.

        Should someone have a problem with that please I will give you my address ad we can talk about it. you talk to my boot as it’s kicking yer ass.

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    41. DeeDee says:
      March 5, 2010 at 5:39 am

      What does any of that have to do with Jordan Brown? My oldest daughter had a chuckle when she read your post as it seems to imply that I don’t believe children should be disciplined or that I gave my children whatever they wanted. Nothing could be further from the truth. My children had boundaries and they knew there were consequences if they crossed them. They also grew up with two step parents. When a parent remarries or moves in a partner it can be tough and confusing for any child. They may become angry, possessive, and even act out, but most of them do not kill. If the child is a sociopath then no explanation is needed but we do not know that. If I were you I don’t think I would advertise that I am still spanking a 12 year old girl. I do not have a problem with that but you might.

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    42. Max The Cat says:
      March 5, 2010 at 8:26 am

      I found this story interesting, considering the discussion we’ve been having. You guys remember Jon Venables and Robert Thompson, the two ten year old boys who abducted 3-year-old James Bulger and bludgeoned him to death over in the UK back in February of 1993? They were sentenced as juveniles to an indeterminate term in a secure unit of a children’s home, but were paroled after only 8 years with new identities. There were several conditions attached to this release, and any violation would result in Venables’ and/or Thompson’s return to prison. I always wondered how long it would take before one or both of these jackasses would break the terms of their release.

      Well, I found this story in the Telegraph.co.uk website – Looks like time is up for Jon Venables:

      Jon Venables’ Returned To Liverpool For Drug-Fueled Nights Out

      Jon Venables returned to the city where he murdered the toddler James Bulger for drug-fueled nights out, according to reports.

      The 27-year-old allegedly drank cider and snorted cocaine in several of Liverpool’s popular nightclubs, despite license conditions banning him from returning to the city without permission from his parole officer.

      He is also said to have slipped into Goodison Park stadium to watch Everton matches wearing a team shirt.

      Venables and Robert Thompson abducted Bulger from the New Strand shopping centre in Bootle, Merseyside, in February 1993, when they were both 10.

      They bludgeoned the toddler to death on a railway line close to their homes in Walton, and became the youngest people to be convicted of murder and jailed in English criminal history.

      The pair were given new identities and released from custody in 2001, but Venables is now back in prison after breaching the terms of their parole.

      He has reportedly become a regular user of ecstasy and cocaine in the eight years since his initial release, and has allegedly become prone to violent outbursts of temper.

      The killer has frequented clubs and bars in Liverpool including Krazy House, The Funky Box, Bar Fly and Walkabout, sources have told The Daily Mirror.

      Cloaked under his new identity, he regularly drank eight pints of Strongbow cider as well as Cheeky Vimtos – a potent combination of the alcopop WKD and two shots of port – it has been claimed.

      Venables also allegedly took ecstasy and snorted cocaine and kitty – also known as methadrone or MCAT – on his nights out in the city.

      Sources said he often left his friends to wander the streets of Liverpool at night – waiting alone at the station for the first train home in the morning.

      But they insisted he had never returned to Bootle – the district of Liverpool where he and Thompson abducted Bulger from a crowded shopping centre.

      The 27-year-old is said to have attempted to flirt with women in bars and nightclubs, but to have difficulty forming long term relationships.

      Calls are growing for the reason for his recall to be disclosed, amid reports that his fellow prisoners have already worked out his true identity.

      Venables is being kept under constant observation in isolation for his own protection, according to The Sun.

      Governors at the prison where he is being held, which cannot be reported for legal reasons, have confirmed his status to staff as “high risk” and refused to deny his identity, it has been reported.

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      • stormy weathers says:
        March 5, 2010 at 9:19 am

        Yeah there has been a big knee jerk reaction to this over here in England with lots of idiots saying that he should have been killed the only paper that has printed what he was sent back for was the Daily Mirror and apparently it was for snorting coke and getting into a fight nothing really that serious but emotions run very high regarding this case in the UK

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        • christy says:
          March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm

          This doesn’t surprise me at all. Piece of shit venables.

          Lock his ass up forever along with piece of shit thompson.
          I think about tiny James Bulger all the time. :*(

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      • VCBecky says:
        March 6, 2010 at 11:54 am

        Holy shit Max! I almost posted that same story in this thread yesterday, but I was too lazy! GET OUT OF MY MIND!! Actually, stay in there. You make me smile. :)

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      • VCBecky says:
        March 6, 2010 at 8:24 pm

        I… I had to post this here. I’m sure you all understand.

        http://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20021225-2.gif

        Imma go sit in a corner and be disgusted with myself now.

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    43. Partytimes says:
      March 5, 2010 at 12:55 pm

      This ugly evil little prick needs to be locked up for the rest of his unnatural life. Reminds me of those two little assholes that killed little James Bulger in England. One just re-offended last week and is finally where he needs to be. I hope Jordan Brown gets butt fucked by Satan for all eternity and the only thing to quench the little fat bastards thirst is Satans steaming semen.

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    44. Mrs. Antichrist says:
      March 5, 2010 at 1:38 pm

      I find it incredibly disturbing that there is even such a thing as a “child” shotgun. I’m not totally anti-gun or anything like that, but I don’t get how we can be okay with putting age limits on alcohol and tobacco, yet still produce guns marketed to children. At the very least, the thing should have been locked up and only taken out when an adult was around to supervise him.

      That being said , the gun didn’t make this kid murder his step-mother. He did it because he’s a calculating, cold-blooded killer. He would have found another way to kill her if he hadn’t owned the shotgun, whether by stabbing, poisoning, etc. My concerns about a 12-year-old having free access to a gun are more about trigger discipline and accidental deaths than intentional murder. The fact is that a 12-year-old knows the difference between right and wrong. They may not fully appreciate some of the more subtle and complex portions of morality, but they sure as hell know that killing another human being is downright evil.

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    45. USS Yorktown says:
      March 5, 2010 at 2:48 pm

      I am no fan of hate crime legislation, but this sounds like a hate crime to me. Jordan Brown was motivated by hatred towards Kenzie Houk. If you think about it, murder like this is a hate crime.

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    46. DeeDee says:
      March 5, 2010 at 3:14 pm

      Isn’t all murder a hate crime? Thank you Mrs Antichrist for saying what I have tried to but much better.

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    47. rebecca says:
      March 8, 2010 at 10:04 am

      First off i have three boys 21 19 and 17 years old.I would never give my boys a gun my gosh whats going on when parents are giveing there kids guns at the age 6 and 7 years old?Hell i would not give my boys guns now and them grown thats crazy.So if he did do this then yea he needs to go to a prison with adults.If he can blow the back of a humen head off with a shotgun then he can look in the eyes of grown men i would think.And to just think the allmost born child died as well she was 8 months long so that baby was allready formed.So that would make him a child killer as well so so be it send him to a mans prison he wants to act like a man then he needs to live with the men for the rest of his life.

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    48. Aarin says:
      March 8, 2010 at 5:07 pm

      Ho looks like a fucking demon.

      Hey ppl stop complaing about ‘whos gana pay for it’ Would you rather a person who killed a pregnant women be set free or let a little tax money lock the little fucker up so he doesnt blow out anyone elses brains. He killed his would be step mother and a baby HELLO!

      All American my ass! HE DESERVES HELL!

      When I was that age I knew what the fuck I was doing and so do the rest of em. He knew exactly what the fuck he was doing!

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    49. E says:
      March 8, 2010 at 6:33 pm

      The photo of Kenzie’s family is so sad. Her poor mom.

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      • Max The Cat says:
        March 8, 2010 at 6:54 pm

        Yeah, I had a hard time with that picture too E. You can almost feel Mom’s heart breaking. I guess that’s part of the reason why I’ve been so firm in my position that Jordan Brown needs to be tried as an adult. My decisions are sometimes based in part on emotion too – to think I’m above that would be dishonest at best. I’m as human as anyone else, now matter how well informed I might be.

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    50. chris says:
      March 11, 2010 at 6:50 pm

      like the kids 11….who cares he shouldnt do any time….his mom was probably a slut and he was sick n tired of seeing her getting fucked in front of him by like 20 dudes a month…..cmon….set him free….kids the man

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    51. pvt j0ker says:
      March 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm

      What an ungrateful little snot they should throw this little crotch cricket in a cell with peter whitmore

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    52. hazzard2myself says:
      March 12, 2010 at 3:13 pm

      Who watches these kids? they raise themselves? How did he get a gun? What is wrong with people?

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    53. dani says:
      March 29, 2010 at 4:45 pm

      PITTSBURGH (March 29) — A Pennsylvania boy who was 11 when he was accused of killing his father’s pregnant fiancee with a shotgun blast to the back of her head as she lay in bed will be tried as an adult in the death of both the woman and the fetus, a judge ruled Monday.

      Jordan Brown, now 12, is charged with criminal homicide in the death of 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk in their farmhouse in western Pennsylvania on Feb. 20, 2009. Houk was 8 1/2 months pregnant; the male fetus died from a resulting lack of oxygen.

      “This offense was an execution-style killing of a defenseless pregnant young mother. A more horrific crime is difficult to imagine,” Lawrence County Judge Dominick Motto wrote in his opinion refusing to move the case to juvenile court.

      The boy could be convicted of anything from involuntary manslaughter to first-degree murder under Pennsylvania’s homicide law. Prosecutors have said they will seek a conviction on first-degree murder charges, for which he could face up to life in prison if convicted.

      Cynthia Orr, president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys, said she’s never heard of someone as young as Brown charged with fetal homicide. Brown’s attorneys did not immediately return calls seeking comment on the ruling but are expected to appeal.

      A Shocking CrimeLawrence County Prison / AFP / Getty Images3 photos Jordan Anthony Brown of Wampum, Pa., is accused of shooting his father’s pregnant fiancee in the head as she slept in February 2009. He was 11 years old at the time but was charged as adult. A judge on Monday denied a defense request to move the case to juvenile court. “This offense was an execution-style killing of a defenseless pregnant young mother. A more horrific crime is difficult to imagine,” Lawrence County Judge Dominick Motto said.(Note: Please disable your pop-up blocker)http://xml.channel.aol.com/xmlpublisher/fetch.v2.xml?option=expand_relative_urls&dataUrlNodes=uiConfig,feedConfig,localizationConfig,entry&id=850423&pid=850422&uts=1269895039
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      A Shocking Crime
      Jordan Anthony Brown of Wampum, Pa., is accused of shooting his father’s pregnant fiancee in the head as she slept in February 2009. He was 11 years old at the time but was charged as adult. A judge on Monday denied a defense request to move the case to juvenile court. “This offense was an execution-style killing of a defenseless pregnant young mother. A more horrific crime is difficult to imagine,” Lawrence County Judge Dominick Motto said.
      Lawrence County Prison / AFP / Getty Images
      Lawrence County Prison / AFP / Getty Images
      Prosecutors have suggested the boy was jealous of Houk and her unborn son. Police had said Brown hid the weapon under a blanket so Houk’s 7-year-old daughter wouldn’t see it as he entered her mother’s room. Later, authorities say, he threw the spent shell casing along a path on his way to a bus and went to school.

      A state trooper testified that tests showed the shell was fired from Brown’s youth-model 20-gauge shotgun.

      Brown’s attorneys, Dennis Elisco and David Acker, have argued the boy’s case would best be dealt with in juvenile court, where he could receive treatment and incarceration specifically aimed at younger offenders.

      Under state law, the attorneys had to convince the judge that he was more “amenable” to rehabilitation in the juvenile system — which would have jurisdiction only until he is 21 — than as an adult.

      But the judge said the testimony of defense psychologist Kirk Heilbrun didn’t convince him that Brown was best tried as a juvenile. Heilbrun said that the boy was likely at low risk of offending again — but the judge noted the assessment did not question whether Brown committed the crime.

      Motto focused on findings by a prosecution psychiatrist, Dr. John O’Brien, who found that Brown tended to “minimize” his wrongdoing and to “deny” and “shift blame” for his misdeeds. Brown, specifically, denied killing Houk when examined by both doctors.

      Kevin Harley, spokesman for the Pennsylvania attorney general, said prosecutors agree with the decision but stressed that prosecutors could still decide to move the case to juvenile court themselves.

      Debbie Houk, the victim’s mother, said she doesn’t understand why there would be debate about the decision.

      “There was no reason for uncertainty in our eyes,” Houk said. “We’re pleased.”
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      • vcbecky says:
        March 29, 2010 at 4:53 pm

        Jordan Brown executed a mother and her unborn baby in cold blood, and will not accept fault. This is not a person who can be rehabilitated in time to learn what he needs to know, what a ‘normal’ childhood on the outside is supposed to teach a person, about survival in society. He will always be socially retarded as a result, therefore he will always be incapable of conducting himself in an acceptable, sane way.

        Life in an institution where he can be studied to see what makes these kinds of monsters tick. That’s the most good he can do for society at this point.

        Thanks for the update, Dani!

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        • dani says:
          March 30, 2010 at 8:31 pm

          no problem, am always happy to send in a story or update as long as i dont have to write it :) . this case just keeps popping up in my head and AOL cuz of the age and crime, and how many people dont realize he knew what he was doing and why, and for that he should be tried as an adult and given death penalty

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    54. Jeanne says:
      May 8, 2010 at 12:07 pm

      That was the most horrific articles I have ever read!!!! What on earth are we coming to? This is an 11-fucking- year-old child!!!! I never thought I’d see the day where adults would persecute a child so harshly. That fucking “mug” shot was taken at 2:00 am. the poor kid was not allowed to speak with any family. He was fucking alone in the middle of the fucking morning!!!! Those eyes look like tired, crying, eyes!!! I have a son who is a little chubby like this boy. This is an add age for children. They grow fast and they gain weight all over!!!! He is a fucking child you assholes!!!!

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    55. Ginger The Dog says:
      May 8, 2010 at 6:47 pm

      Here is one for you one tracked A@holes!!! The story some of the family claim is that the victim yelled to the kids, 7 yr-old , and 11-yr. old to hurry and get going so they do not miss the bus. There was supposedly a birthday party the day before for the 4-yr. old girl. This indicates all were tired and the kids were in a rush. Do you really think the little boy had time to get the gun and sneak up behind the victim and shoot her? Wouldn’t a normal 7-yr-old run to see what happened? She would have had to hear a fucking 20 gauge gun go off in her home. Better yet, why did the gun shot not wake up the 4-yr-old? The boy got on the bus with the 7 yr-old because this is what they do every fucking day. While in school, no one noticed and blood, brains, or anything unusual on the kid because that is what is was, a normal fucking day. The police went to the school to “interview” the children for “information”. ( Yea, right!) They did not ask for permission to do this, and they had great opportunity to ask the dad as he was present at the home with the police prior to them going to the school. Depending on the type of questioning they used, the boy MAY have gave inconsistent information but this goes with the age. The one article I read, the police asked him if he shot the gun that day. Now, if you are there for information, why one earth do you ask someone who is not a suspect, if he shot his gun that day? The fact is that they questioned the boy improperly as they were there thinking he did it the whole time. Go read up on police interrogations with children, it is not uncommon for kids to cloud up shit. It is not uncommon for kids to try to be the hero either and say things that they think might help find the killer. They left the school and went looking for a black truck, came up empty handed and RE-INTERVIEWED the 7-yr-old. On the THIRD interview, the girl said she heard a “boom” before school. She was with the victim’s parents by then. The first TWO interviews are suddenly missing. No “BOOM” on the first TWO interviews. Now, just because a kid may have given inconsistent stories, and this is fucking normal for kids, does not excuse the fucking police from conducting a full- fucking investigation! But, the D.A. was in the middle of a huge election and this was getting his name out there. Maybe that has something to do with it. They arrested the boy the same evening. The “mug” shot you people are criticizing was taken at 2 a.m. He was crying, alone, and tired. We would all look like shit at 2 a.m. Ever seen Nick Nolte’s mug? This is a little boy your talking about. Adult murderers had fairer publicity than you give this child. They arraigned him at 4:30 a.m. without a lawyer. The kid that claimed Jordan said he was “gonna pop Kenzie” is the brother-in-laws son. The brother-in-law has a record from here to tim-buck-two!!! Which makes you wonder what he knows. There are stories there about purportedly drug dealing still going on. The victim was collecting child support from a man that was not the father of one of the children. DNA proved this recently and he was making threats to her. His children, or the one’s he thought were his, were calling this little boy’s father “DADDY”. Good reason to fuck with his kid. There was minimal gun residue on the boy’s shirt. He probably had a closet full of shirts with more as he target shot with his dad. The wound on the victim does not sound consistent to a 20 gauge shotgun and is more consistent with a handgun. The casket was open by the way. The shell in the driveway they claimed was so huge, is nothing, there were several because the boy target shot. The blanket they claimed the boy used to muffle the sound of the gun came back from the crime lab as an old cigarette burn. The police interviewer ironically retired and went to work for another agency involving children. Poor kids. The D.A. lost the election, the new D.A. could not try the case because the boy’s father contacted him when this first occurred for legal advice. Ironically the BIG-BAD-District Attorney is from the state and has tried children before. The judge allowed the police interview to stay in, but why???? It sure was shady. I’ll tell you dumb-fuckers why, because it they needed it. The case wouldn’t even be going on with the little crap they have. They rushed to judgment and screwed up big-time and now they are playing a game called cat and mouse. All the while, an innocent child’s mug shot is all over cyberspace while you dickheads persecute him. See you all in hell!!!

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      • Max The Cat says:
        May 8, 2010 at 8:48 pm

        Blah, blah, blah. Why is it that you people always bring up these bizarre conspiracy theories when you want to argue a lost cause. Like this silliness about the District Attorneys. The new D.A. recuses himself because he gave advice to Chris Brown, Jordan’s dad, early on in the case, and you treat it as part of some master plan. Weird man.

        I’m not going to go though all the reasons why Jordan is guilty AGAIN, because honestly I’m just too tired right now. I will say this. Eleven-year-old boys don’t get prosecuted as adults on the whim of some D.A.. Judges don’t go along with a conspiracy just because. Do you have any idea how many people would have to cooperate in order for you so-called conspiracy to work? All to frame a now 12-year-old boy? Why would they do that? What evidence do you have?

        Police officers are human beings. They have wives and children of their own, and they don’t want to believe a kid could do something as terrible as shoot a pregnant woman in the back of the head while she slept. Why do you think he was able to lie to them about the black truck for so long. Because they never suspected him until his story started to fall apart. They never asked the 7-year-old about Jordan until they suspected him – why would they?

        Now I don’t know where you got your ballistics experience, but where I come from a handgun doesn’t leave wadding inside the wound, like a shotgun shell does.

        Whoops, there goes that part of your “theory”. You really haven’t thought this through, have you Ginger?

        Can you explain away the blanket the 7-year-old girl saw Jordan hiding the shotgun under – you know, the one with the circular burn hole in it? You’re lying about the cigarette burn, and that’s a fact. Unless, of course, you can show us some actual proof, like the lab report. But you can’t of course, because you’re presenting the family’s made-up excuse for the hole in the blanket as fact. Yeah, you fuckers never change.

        And thanks for telling me about the gunpowder residue on Jordan’s shirt. I wasn’t aware of that. That’s not good. I’ll bet they tested all of his clothing, right? You mentioned all his other clothing, but you didn’t mention if they found gunpowder residue on any of it? Probably not, right?

        You said “The kid that claimed Jordan said he was “gonna pop Kenzie” is the brother-in-laws son”, then told us about his dad’s police record. What does that have to do with what Jordan told his son? You silly pretentious bitch.

        We all know about Kenzie’s ex-boyfriend – I believe the police fully investigated him and eliminated him as a suspect early on in the investigation.

        Look, do you realize how difficult it will be to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that an 11-year-old boy blew the back of his father’s fiance’s head off because he was jealous of her? Wouldn’t it have been easier to set up the ex-boyfriend, or some homeless guy? Hell it’s rural Pennsylvania, so just about any black guy would have worked, right?

        Oh yeah, there’s a dickhead around here alright, but it’s not any of us.

        Dickhead.

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    56. Ginger The Dog says:
      May 9, 2010 at 11:36 am

      Pretentious? HUH? Fucker! All the world’s crazies and you pick on an 11 year-old kid?
      For the record, I never assumed a conspiracy theory. What I did say was RUSH TO JUDGMENT. I never said FRAME. You said that. I said RUSH TO JUDGMENT. Now, if you ran the ball, like the D.A. did last year, (go look it up) and told the world that the kid used the blanket and muzzled the gun… How the fuck easy is it to change that tune? So, you let it ride when you learn the blankie theory is false. Shhh….mums the word now. That’s why you did not hear about it yet but it is true. No gun residue on that blankie, nothing but a cigarette burn. No, as far as I know, no other clothing was checked but why not? Maybe they should not have contaminated the evidence by closing the case so early like they did and checked that out. It may have cleared the kid. Maybe a full investigation should have been done. You say the ex-boyfriend was cleared. All I heard was they went to the home and did not see snow prints indicating he left the house earlier that day. WOW! That was quite an investigation. So, people don’t kill people everyday? Murders don’t happen in Rural Pennsylvania? O.k. Oh yea, about the wadding……this is my point. The wadding indicates that no way was a shotgun used. They found a shell, they had assholes in the family point to the kid early on, they had what they THOUGHT was inconsistent statements from the kid, and they blew the investigation because of a RUSH TO JUDGMENT. The crime lab is proving it and they are in a quandary. No cold-blooded killer jealous over a woman and her children. Just a fucking kid.

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      • vcbecky says:
        May 9, 2010 at 12:30 pm

        ENOUGH WITH THE ACCUSATORY BABBLEFEST! Cite your sources. We are interested in the truth here, not some rambling conspiracy-minded, X-Files-rejected plot building. There’s enough of that on the internet as it is.

        There is a ridiculous amount of fact checking that goes on before stories are posted here. Max always changes anything when it’s supported by solid evidence, even if he was the most vocal person arguing against it. If it’s ‘inside info not yet released to the public,’ how do you know about it and what the hell are you doing babbling about it online? Cite your sources or STFU.

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      • vcbecky says:
        May 9, 2010 at 12:33 pm

        P.S. Please, please, I’m begging you now… on my knees with my wireless keyboard and everything…. PLEASE USE PARAGRAPHS. Seriously, my eyes hurt and I’m somewhat discouraged when thinking of reading one of your posts. I’m not talking Grammar, just please break things into manageable pieces before feeding them to us. It will make your posts more readable.

        Thanks in advance!

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      • Max The Cat says:
        May 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm

        You’re delusional Ginger. If they found any wadding at all, it was a shotgun. Wadding isn’t used in pistol rounds. And unless the boyfriend could levitate, there’s no way he got into the house, or anyone else for that matter – the footprints in the snow prove that. It HAD TO BE someone in the house. The seven-year-old saw Jordan carrying the shotgun towards her mothers room, turn around when he saw her, and come back a little later with the gun covered with the blanket. The edges of the hole in the blanket, where the gunpowder residue would have been, most likely burned away when the shot was fired. The cops announced that there was no residue on the blanket within the first few days after Kenzie’s murder – it’s not a big secret like you make it out to be. I may still be able to find the stories that I read it in if they haven’t been removed from the respective online newspaper’s servers.

        Your mistake was coming here to challenge THIS story. This case really got under my skin. Maybe it was because Kenzie was pregnant and about to give birth. Maybe it was because I’m such a child’s advocate, and I didn’t want to believe an 11-year-old boy was capable of a crime this heinous. But the more I dug into this story, the more convinced I became that Jordan was a cold blooded murderer, and the more convinced I became the more I knew how important it was that he pay for what he did.

        You want to defend the boy, and that fine. I don’t blame anyone in his family for that. But you can’t tell half truths and expect to get away with it. I think I can safely say that with the exception of people directly involved in the case, like the police, no one knows more about this case than I do. I had to know everything I could, and you know why? Because I didn’t want Jordan Brown to be a murderer and a baby killer.

        Do you think I want to be right about this? Let me tell you something, if Kenzie’s boyfriend suddenly turned himself into the police and confesses to her murder, no one with the exception of Jordan and his dad would be happier about it than I. I’m not some Bill O’Reilly clone shooting my mouth off to feed my ego, I’m human just like everyone else, and I hurt for everyone in this case.

        But I also believe in justice. There must be justice for Kenzie Houk and her little baby. Jordan needs to pay for what he’s done. He needs to confess, and show some real remorse. I’m not sure he’s capable of that, because I believe he is a psychopath. Psychopaths don’t have a conscience, and they don’t have feeling concerning other people. He’d been able to fool all of you for so long, because psychopaths are great actors. It’s for this reason that I think he needs to be locked away from the rest of us forever. I also believe in my heart that if he was out in the world, eventually he would kill again.

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    57. Ginger The Dog says:
      May 9, 2010 at 10:28 pm

      Your delusional Kitten. I too have followed the case meticulously from the get go and I’ll gladly take the challenge. First, lets talk about snow prints in the snow. Lets say for pity’s sake that your right. Only two sets of footprints in the snow that point to little Jordan. This conclusion would have to mean that the woodcutter, the ambulance personal, the police, and every Tom, Dick, and Harry, ( and there were many) that walked all over the place levitated to get in the home. Also, check out some of the pictures of the crime scene. Some of the ground is dirt. It’s not all snow covered like you make it sound.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh9EBCgABBA&feature=related

      Now, consider the blanket theory. Is the little 7 year-old a super hero or something? It would seem to me that if the boy really had a blanket covering something, how the hell could she see it? Maybe the kid was covering his underwear, maybe he had the last pop-tart and didn’t want to share it. The first thing my kids do in the morning is grab a blanket. You say he doubled back when he saw the girl. Maybe he had to go pee or something. Or maybe he ran and ate that pop-tart. I mean, you make it sound so very peculiar and the fact is, it could be nothing at all. Children can say many things during questioning and sometimes it is a bunch of nothing. That goes for anything Jordan said as well.
      http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/lawreviews/meta-elements/journals/bctwj/22_2/03_FMS.htm
      Not to mention that the first TWO interviews of the little 7 year-old went missing. By the THIRD interview the girl was definitely coached.
      http://www.ncnewsonline.com/local/x546275917/Jordan-Browns-lawyers-seek-witness-statements

      Furthermore, why on earth is it so hard to believe that Jordan went to get something out of his pocket. I find it completely believable that he was concerned about ice-cream money because I have children. Again, it is all about the type of questioning they used. You can make it whatever you want. They did that.

      Now lets discuss your conclusion that Jordan is a psychopath. That comment is just off the charts for me. Until a brain scan or neuroimaging of great magnitude comes out and shows objective evidence that a person is missing some pieces, you need to stop right there and double back yourself. Right now what neuroimaging is proving is that children brains are not fully developed. This is why we can’t execute adolescents under 18.

      Every argument you state is subjective. It like a strainer with many holes in it. The difference between you and me kitten is that when the case first came out, I was so amazed that they would put a child’s picture and name out to the public and then tell their theory as well, that I just assumed he was guilty. But it wasn’t sitting well with me, so I started to dig. The case got under my skin as well and dug deep!!! I started to pay attention to every detail.

      When I looked at little Jordan’s mug, I saw the redness in his cheeks, and his tired watered eyes and I knew he was crying. Ironically I noticed the D.A.’s shifty eyes instead and how he swayed back and forth (almost every interview) when he talked and it made me uncomfortable.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co-sU6LRyYk&feature=related

      Justice needs to be served for this child as well. If he were guilty, he should not have been publicly persecuted. He is a child. Premeditation at 11 years-old is ludicrous and I cannot help but sense a perverseness when it is used so freely with this young boy. It is kind of like questioning a child without legal authority present. It is just wrong. A child that has no concept of a law and its penalty could never fully be as culpable as an adult who has full knowledge of the wrath that he would incur in he shot someone. An adult would know, your never really free, even it you don’t get caught.

      If he is innocent, as I believe, look what you have done to him. A child advocate? Really?

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      • Max The Cat says:
        May 10, 2010 at 12:05 am

        *Sigh* I feel sorry for you, I really do.

        Do you want to know the difference between you and I? I went into this with an open mind. I wasn’t looking to prove that Jordan was guilty. I was looking for the truth.

        You obviously had an agenda – to prove Jordan was innocent, and God damnit, you were sure as hell going to do it, no matter how much you had to twist the evidence to match what you already knew had happened.

        You point at pictures in a video and say, “see, that’s not snow covered”, but you have no idea when those pictures were shot. it could have been hours after the police took theirs. I’ll take the cop’s description of the scene, thank you.

        I can’t believe you brought up the first responders’ footprints as a reason to doubt the fact that there was only the children’s footprints leading from the house. As if these cops has never worked a crime scene before. Come on now Ginger, you’re insulting my intelligence with garbage theory like that.

        And your new story about the blanket is priceless, as if anyone could mistake a shotgun, which is long and relatively thin, with a pair of underwear. Am I hurting your case so badly that you have to resort to nonsense like this?

        The police find a newly fired shotgun shell, tossed right off the path that Jordan takes everyday on his way to the school bus, exactly where they were told he reached in his pocket and threw something away, but you can’t see that it’s powerful circumstantial evidence. You’d rather try to explain it away.

        You’re not investigating, you’re too biased for that. What if, what if, what if, until I want to throw up. Well, ‘what if’ doesn’t hack it in a court of law.

        And one more thing – you need to stop hanging on to every word that comes out of a defense attorney’s mouth. Just because they say Janessa was coached doesn’t mean it happened, And there are no missing statements because they first two interviews were never committed to paper. What you failed to deduce is that, in spite of that fact, the defense still knew the essence of those two interviews because they have copies of the police reports stating what was asked and the answers – or how else would they know about them and what was said?

        More importantly, Judge Motto was aware of those two initial interviews, and what was said, and he still decided to allow Jordan to be tried as an adult. That should tell you something.

        My opinion that Jordan is a psychopath is just that, my opinion. It comes from a lot of experience studying crimes and criminals, but I’m no expert, and it’s worth next to nothing to anyone outside of me. You are free to disagree, and you won’t get a much of an argument from me.

        It would be best for you to stop arguing your case with me now. I’m not bragging when I say that I’m very, very good at shooting down people like you. Your methods are amateurish at best, and just plain silly at worst. I understand why you want this boy to be innocent, but after your experience on this website, do you think what you’re doing is helping his case or harming it?

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      • Jason says:
        May 10, 2010 at 12:35 am

        The court proceedings about Jordan aren’t about wrath. Most of the men and women who go to work every day and put criminals in jail, regardless of their personal feelings, aren’t doing this because of some cruel jollies they get from trying an 11 year old as an adult. There’s no office gambling on whether they’ll fry Jordan at the local prosecutor’s office. This isn’t one of those cases.

        This is a train wreck of bad parenting, of a bad kid and of poor judgment, but it’s not law enforcement or even Max’s fault that a pregnant woman was executed by a child with a squirrel gun. There was no one armed midget who snuck in the house and killed her, then hopped from muddy spot to muddy spot in order to convict an 11 year old. If I have to spell out the reference I just made, perhaps I’m too old and you’re too young to remember the fugitive on TV or the movie by Harrison Ford that followed it, but the simple part of this is that the plot of this Hollywood drama was supposed to be that nearly unbelievable circumstances pitted someone against a valiant and forthright legal system and somehow he over came them and the men who framed him to avenge his wife’s murder. This is not what happened with Jordan.

        Jordan wasn’t properly disciplined with a range mentality. A gun is a tool, an extension of the hunter and a privilege to use in a limited capacity against the inanimate targets or the animals allowable for hunting. He either didn’t know the rules or chose to abandon them out of a rejection of rules, a lack of discipline and character, or in a psychopathic rage. These are the only options you have. Jordan pulled that trigger and he thought about how it would work, chose the route and then covered up his actions afterward. He went from someone who could be trusted with a weapon and a human life to a rabid animal that has to be caged until someone can make some sense out of what he is and what he can somehow be trusted to be. He’s dangerous.

        The people who are looking in at this, reading the details in the news and court filings aren’t bad people for wanting to know what’s going on. Human curiosity is a survival trait as is our sense of justice. We want to protect ourselves and our own, perhaps a bit selfishly, from the mistakes others make. We want to teach our children, nephews, nieces and friends a good lesson from any object lesson that crosses our path and guess what, Jordan is a big one. “Think twice about giving junior that Squirrel gun, to keep in his room, remember Jordan?” I hope those words are being used in a thousand households, not because I want to limit the ownership of guns, but because I think guns are in our lives for a limited use as tools for specific tasks and that honest and honorable use of those tools requires a discipline that was not present in Jordan’s household and requires quite a bit more thought on the part of parents and the children who are temporarily armed by them.

        Why is Jordan being “persecuted” in public? He’s not, he’s being prosecuted in public. There is no persecution here, because no one is systematically mistreating him, instead they’re treating him like the murderer he is. We’re supposed to consider what he did, why he did it and make our own opinions based upon those facts so we can with an open heart and mind consider what we need to do to avoid his example. That’s not persecution, that’s the working side of breathing, loving, living and getting from this day to the next that each and every one of us has the right and responsibility to do. Ginger, you want him to be set free. I’ve had friends who’ve done horrible things I wanted set free and I’ll admit, I’ve gone out of my way to help them over the rough spots, but protecting them from a bit of honest insight and inspection on the internet isn’t going to help Jordan. He’s a very broken little boy, who needs serious mental health attention and to sort this stuff out. Odds are high he’ll spend most of the rest of his life medicated, and muddying that recovery with fairy tales about some other criminal doing this to his would-have-been stepmother can leave a hiding place he really doesn’t need to have. It’s a shame an 11 year old can do something like this. It’s a shame it happened. It’s a shame you can’t open up both eyes, take a deep, if rattled breath and realize that he’s got a lot of living to get on with and that you trying to paint over this with a bit of white wash isn’t helping him, you or us.

        Get some help.

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      • brent says:
        May 10, 2010 at 5:29 pm

        At least you listened to vcbecky and started using paragraphs. I’m no great essay writer and probably could use some tips on paragraphing myself, but your diatribe was just down right annoying.

        Hell even if you did make any sense, how could anybody follow it.

        I felt like confessing myself just so I wouldn’t try reading again trying to make sense of it.

        Try the Decaf:) Maybe some relaxation techniques. You know deep breathing and shit like that.

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        • Max The Cat says:
          May 10, 2010 at 7:30 pm

          LOL Brent – who cares if you don’t know the proper way to use a paragraph, you’re one of the funniest people on this board, and one of the smartest too. Since you joined us here at PYSIH, it’s been a real pleasure reading your comments .

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          • brent says:
            May 11, 2010 at 10:17 am

            Thanks! If I would have known posting on a website could be this much fun I would have paid more attention in school.

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        • vcbecky says:
          May 10, 2010 at 8:06 pm

          Pfft! Real paragraphs?!? It didn’t even have to be *cohesive* paragraphs, just manageable word chunks. Lord knows I’m no genius when it comes to grammar! Hell, I don’t claim to use paragraphs correctly either, I just chunk up my posts out of courtesy. All I ask for is the stuff that makes things easier to read.

          You’re doin’ great brent! You’re perfectly understandable and full of yay!

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          • brent says:
            May 11, 2010 at 10:30 am

            I hear you! I have a hard enough time reading as it is. I still sometimes have trouble with the “Dick and Jane stories”. You know “See Spot run, see Spot run into the road, see the spot in the road”.

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      • NavyCop says:
        May 10, 2010 at 8:37 pm

        “First, lets talk about snow prints in the snow.” Really!? Could someone translate this?

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        • vcbecky says:
          May 10, 2010 at 9:34 pm

          Snow prints in the snow as opposed to ass prints in the snow, NC. Ya know, like when you drag someone on their bare ass through the snow? That double-ridge, sometimes double-wide trail with the skid mark in the middle. Yeah, that thing.

          At least, that’s what I got out of it. /shrug

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          • NavyCop says:
            May 10, 2010 at 10:05 pm

            Excuse me while I lose my lunch, lol.

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            • Max The Cat says:
              May 10, 2010 at 10:33 pm

              If you look closely ladies, you’ll see that all of Ginger’s comments look suspiciously like ass prints too. Or was that asshole prints? Oh, wait, I got it now, it looks like they were printed by an asshole. Sometimes I get a little mixed up.

          • brent says:
            May 11, 2010 at 10:21 am

            Now that’s funny:) I don’t care who you are that’s funny!

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    58. Ginger The Dog says:
      May 10, 2010 at 3:54 pm

      Blah, Blah, Blah, you people all think alike. I am going to nap and I will bust your balls later.

      Wimps!

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      • Max The Cat says:
        May 10, 2010 at 5:03 pm

        So you’re admitting defeat, and you’re done arguing in good faith? Cool, that makes my job a lot easier. Don’t put too much effort into your comment this time, because I plan on deleting it, and anything else you post here.

        It’s for your own good Ginger. You’re beginning to sound a bit shrill. From what I’ve observed, it’s the first sign that nutjob like you is on their way to a nervous breakdown.

        Jason, as usual, is right. You need help.

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      • Mulch says:
        May 11, 2010 at 1:13 am

        Come over here and try to bust my balls. I got something for someone like yerself. I gots me a 2 pound hammer. Such wonderfull things I can do with this. You try to kick me I break yer leg. You try to slap me I break yer hand. Of the joy I can bring you with this hammer. You will cry out and rejoice in the wonder.

        Bitch you haven’t proven anything but how biased you truelly are. How closed minded you are. Had you come with real evidence then you would have been welcomed. Instead you com with heresay and bullshit theories.

        So if you don’t have any real proof or evidence then shut the hell up and go away.

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        • Max The Cat says:
          May 11, 2010 at 3:55 am

          I don’t think Ginger’s coming back Mulch. When I let her know I wasn’t going to allow her to draw any more attention to her nonsensical rantings, I must have destroyed her will to post here. I’m gonna miss Ginger though. She was good practice for me and I had some fun sharpening my virtual ass-kicking skills at her expense.

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    59. Geo Jon says:
      December 24, 2010 at 8:50 am

      I think (the professer) is a moron…no,strike that…he’s an insult to morons everywhere…i live near wampum,pa. I can say that this case has been handled correctly…look at the evidence…there were only 2 sets of tracks…in fresh snow coming from the house…the shotgun shell had his fingerprints on it…at the school bus stop…the gun was freshly fired…he had gunpowder (residue) on his shirt/and comforter….and gave the state police misleading information…about a black truck. he’s a bully in jail…and intimidates other kids there…denies he did it…LOOk at his eyes…those are evil,satantic…and he will kill again…if released.

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