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    UPDATE: Devon Lynn Kile and Michael Vincent Petronella

    ROOFING CONTRACTOR CONVICTED IN CALIFORNIA’S LARGEST PREMIUM INSURANCE FRAUD SCAM

    Released by The Orange County District Attorney’s Office

    02/11/2010 — A roofing contractor was convicted today of committing premium insurance fraud with his wife, in one of the largest known Workers’ Compensation Insurance fraud case in California’s history. Michael Vincent Petronella, also known as Michael Constantine, 51, was found guilty by a jury of 33 felony counts of insurance fraud and the sentencing enhancement for aggravated white collar crime over $500,000 was found true. The defendant now faces a sentence ranging from probation up to 48 years and eight months in state prison at his sentencing on April 23, 2010, at 9:00 a.m. in Department C-42, Central Justice Center, Santa Ana. Restitution will be determined at a later date.

    Petronella’s wife Devon Lynn Kile, 44, both of Laguna Hills, is also charged in this case. Kile is in-custody on $250,000 bail and is scheduled for a pre-trial mental health competency hearing Feb. 18, 2010, at 9:00 a.m. in Department C-58, Central Justice Center, Santa Ana.

    “This case is an outrageous example of a person who lavishly spent illegal profits on luxury goods by cheating the Workers’ Compensation Insurance system and legitimate businesses that play by the rules,” said Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas. “Cheaters who defraud the system will be trading in their Pradas for prison garb.”

    “We simply will not tolerate anybody scamming the system and driving up the costs for legitimate businesses,” said Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner. “I’m pleased that a jury convicted these swindlers on 33 counts of insurance fraud, helping execute justice and remind others committing workers’ compensation fraud that we will find you and you will be prosecuted.”

    WHAT IS PREMIUM INSURANCE FRAUD?

    California law requires that all employers maintain workers’ compensation insurance for their employees. Payroll records showing the number of employees and their income must be submitted to both the workers’ compensation insurance company and EDD, who oversee the collection of payroll taxes. Workers’ Compensation Insurance rates are determined by a formula, which takes into consideration the number and type of employees and the company’s history of injury claims.

    Premium insurance fraud is committed when an employer intentionally misrepresents to the State or insurance company the number of employees, the type of work performed, the amount of payroll, and the loss history. These illegal misrepresentations allow deceitful employers to calculate and purchase workers’ compensation insurance at a significantly lower premium rate, or to avoid purchasing the insurance at all. This practice places their competitors at a disadvantage because it forces them to compete against a company with fraudulently lower operating costs.

    Premium fraud drives up the cost of insurance premiums for legitimate businesses that pay higher rates for their employees’ workers’ compensation insurance coverage. These legitimate businesses are less competitive against crooked companies who are able to under-bid their competitors due to lower business costs resulting from insurance fraud. This also endangers injured employees who may be denied workers’ compensation benefits intended to meet their physical, psychological, and financial needs for a work-related injury.

    CIRCUMSTANCES OF PREMIUM INSURANCE FRAUD CASE

    Petronella is a roofing and general building contractor. At the time of their arrest, Petronella and Kile owned three businesses including Petronella Corporation, Western Cleanoff, Inc., and The Reroofing Specialists, Inc. (also known as Petronella Roofing). The businesses were located in Costa Mesa and Cathedral City, Riverside County, and had clients primarily in Southern California which included the Ocean Institute in Dana Point, the Pacific Amphitheater in Costa Mesa, and other commercial properties.

    In March 2006, an employee of Petronella fell from a roof and sustained injuries. A payroll stub was submitted to the State Compensation Insurance Fund (SCIF), listing his employer as Western Cleanoff, Inc., which SCIF did not insure. SCIF is a quasi-governmental non-profit insurance company established by the California State Legislature. SCIF reported the suspected fraudulent claim to the Orange County District Attorney’s Office (OCDA) and Department of Insurance (DOI).

    Following a 2-year investigation by the OCDA, with assistance from several agencies (listed below), Petronella and Kile were arrested April 29, 2009, at their Laguna Hills home. A search of six locations including two residences, two businesses, a storage unit and a Certified Public Accountant’s office turned up more than $500,000 in jewelry, $51,000 cash, and an application from Kile to be featured on the Bravo series Real Housewives of Orange County. A Receiver was appointed by the Court to oversee the seized property and determine which items and properties should be held as collateral or sold at auction as payment for back due taxes.

    THE PEOPLE ARGUED DURING TRIAL:

    Beginning in 2000, Petronella and Kile obtained Workers’ Compensation Insurance for their three companies through SCIF. Between 2000 and 2008, Petronella fraudulently submitted 42 claims for uninsured injured workers and underreported $29 million in payroll to SCIF in order to avoid paying his Workers’ Compensation Insurance premiums. The couple engaged in a scheme that resulted in SCIF incurring more than $253,000 in uncovered injured worker claims and insurance premium losses in the millions. Petronella and Kile reported $3 million in payroll to SCIF, while having an actual payroll of $32 million, ten times more than reported.

    Beginning in 2000, SCIF performed annual audits of Petronella and Kile’s companies, during which they provided false employee and payroll records. Between 2000 and 2008, Petronella and Kile fraudulently reported a $2.9 million payroll to SCIF for The Reroofing Specialists, Inc., while reporting $16.6 million in payroll to EDD for the same company during the same time period. Beginning in 2003, Petronella and Kile fraudulently reported no payroll to SCIF for Western Cleanoff, Inc., while reporting in excess of $13.9 million in payroll to EDD for the same company between 2000 and 2008. Between 2007 and 2008, they paid unreported payroll in excess of $200,000 in cash to day laborers.

    In order to avoid paying Workers’ Compensation Insurance for all of his employees, Petronella and Kile underreported the number of workers employed at each business, including claiming none for Western

    The couple, who lived in Laguna Hills at the time of their arrest, owned five properties in California and Texas and multiple luxury vehicles including a Bentley, two Ferraris, and a Range Rover. Between 2005 and 2007, Petronella and Kile spent more than $2.1 million on their American Express credit card for personal items. They spent thousands of dollars on jewelry, shoes, clothes, and other personal items at stores including Balenciaga, Bloomingdale’s, Chanel, Christian Louboutin, Gucci, Kitson, Neiman-Marcus, Nordstrom, Yves Saint Laurent, and others.

    This case was investigated by the OCDA and the Orange County Premium Fraud Task Force, a collaboration of investigators from OCDA, DOI, EDD, Franchise Tax Board, and Contractors State License Board.

    Deputy District Attorney Shaddi Kamiabipour of the Workers’ Compensation Insurance Fraud Unit is prosecuting this case.

    First off, I’d like to dedicate this update to all the family and friends of Michael Petronella and Devon Kile. You folks posted a stream of comments protesting Mr. Petronella’s Arrest and prosecution, and haranguing this website and it’s regulars for looking at the evidence against him and agreeing that Michael and Devon looked pretty guilty to us. I have just one question for you.

    Where are you now?

    I especially want to acknowledge Jordan Petronella, Wildcat10 and Michael V Constantine III; You three were my favorites, especially Jordan. For those of you who don’t remember, he had two sockpuppets he used to post under too (a sockpuppet is a just a phony nickname a person will post under to give the appearance that there are other people that share his opinion.) Jordan actually used one of his sockpuppets to threaten me. That was a first for me and PYSIH – I’d never been threatened by a person that did not exist before.

    Where are you now?

    My point is this. PYSIH has a policy of apologizing if we get a story wrong. If I write a story, and come to the conclusion that Person A is guilty of the crime he or she is accused of, and one day definitive proof comes out that Person A is completely innocent, not only will I remove the story, I will post an apology admitting I was wrong for all to see.

    So why don’t people like Jordan Petronella and Michael V Constantine III have to live by same set of rules. Wildcat10 insulted just about everyone who responded to him, and even though I thoroughly enjoyed slapping him around in the virtual world, it would be nice to see him apologize to some of the ladies here.

    Foolish, yes, I know, to think an idiot is capable of such sophisticated thinking. But you never know….

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    91 Responses to “UPDATE: Devon Lynn Kile and Michael Vincent Petronella”

    1. Chinchillazilla says:

      People like this piss me off so fucking much. If you want fancy shit, get a better job or scrimp like the rest of us, god damn it. You are not so wonderful that you’re entitled to everything just for being alive.

      Also, what kind of retard needs $500,000 in jewelry? The object of jewelry is to use sparkles to draw attention. CZ works just as well as diamonds do, sweetheart. Does it last as long? No. But do you have to screw people over to get it? No.

      • Bri Constantine says:

        cause we are girls and we like jewlery STUPID. JESUS IS ON OUR SIDE AND THE TRUTH WILL LET OUT. get a life dude go outside and get some fresh air in ur brain reatard..

        • diana says:

          “cause we are girls and we like jewlery STUPID. JESUS IS ON OUR SIDE AND THE TRUTH WILL LET OUT. get a life dude go outside and get some fresh air in ur brain reatard..”

          Hmm. I like jewelry too. I have a lot of really nice pieces. That I paid for with money I WORKED for, not defrauded from the government.

          I would watch calling someone a “reatard” when you cannot even spell the word correctly, retard.

          Last time I checked one of the commandments was, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL….so, I’m thinking Jesus probably doesn’t like that too much…I mean, it was his father that made the rule right ?

          Think before you type. You sound like a moron.

        • Mulch says:

          No I think Jesus will allow justice to win out in this one. Your “parents” stole money. They allowed their employees to be a risk. A huge risk. Yet they enjoyed a life with all kinds of things. You enjoyed a life with things.

          Well that life is over and it’s time to pay the band for the dance. I’m sure yer mom will be well taken care of in prison. I’m betting for a carotn of smokes she’ll be well taken care of. Never showering alone or sleeping alone and have loads of clams to munch on…..

          • Bri Constantine says:

            to all of u just letting u know my parents didnt steal this article is a lie a promise so how bout u dumb butss get off ur lazy tushes and go see for yourselve and stop critzing other people. STOP SAYING THIS BOUT MY MOMMY AND DADDY OK

    2. NavyCop says:

      Damn straight, Chinchillazilla…. And the only ppl who have to screw others over for CZ are people who lack the discipline and motivation to get a JOB.

      • Bri Constantine says:

        navycop these r my parents and they wrked for this my dad has been working since he was 30 snd now he is 50 our family does not deserve these nasty comments

        • Homer says:

          Yes, you do. If you want respect, you have to earn it first. But somehow I get the feeling that’s a completely foreign concept to you. (And by foreign, I don’t mean that it comes from abroad…)

        • Mulch says:

          Bitch I had my first job delivering news papers with I was 12. I have been working since. I have done many different jobs and worked many different positions.

          I HAVE NEVER SOLD OUT MY COWORKERS OR EMPLOYEES! Not like your parents.

          Your “parents” deserve a hell of a lot worse than they will get. They will cry slobber and moan and get off with a very light sentence. B U T They are black listed in the US. Never again will they be in the position to have that much money again unless the pop the lottery or they scam people again.

          I just wish I could curb stomp the both of them while you watch.

    3. stormy weathers says:

      Couple of douche bags sure enough…….but after the plethora of baby rappers and scumbags on this site I can’t really condemn these two to hell or get very angry about this case……You know white collar criminals are assholes but don’t seem to be evil……just a couple of greedy crooked bastards

      • Chinchillazilla says:

        Personally, I think baby rappers are adorable. They’re all, “Bitches don’t know bout my pacifier!”

        • brent says:

          I agree I love the pacifier bling, and the baby teeth grill. Then they get that little “gangsta rap” going. Who can resist!!

      • Bri Constantine says:

        wow assholes

        • Homer says:

          Wow, another one!

          • Bri Constantine says:

            exuse me…… what r u saying bout my parents huh? i really DISLIKE u

            • vcbecky says:

              Oh no! She DISLIKES u! OH THE HORROR! OH THE SHAME! OH THE… damn girl, you stupid.

            • vcbecky says:

              I take that back. It was posted before I knew you are 12. You’re not stupid, Bri, you’re just young and in a horrible situation and I am sorry for hurting you with my words.

              You’re reacting out of pain and confusion. None of this is your fault. Stop suffering so much for it. I know you love them and they’re your parents, but you need to separate your feelings for them from the fact of what they did, learn from it so you don’t do any damage to your own future, and start to heal.

              Please for your own sake, don’t read this blog anymore.

    4. USS Yorktown says:

      They deserve to share the same cell with Bernard Madoff.

    5. matthewrmt says:

      C’mon, y’all shouldn’t judge! Only God can judge cause He sees into their hearts and He knows they didn’t mean to do it. So , just back the fuck off. It’s y’all that are going to hell not Mike and Devon.

      Did you know that they were saving all that loot…uh, mmm…STUFF to help disadvantaged children. Huh??? Did you?!?! See, they are true Saints on this earth. So stop judging them! They are innocent in the eyes of God!!!

      I should know, I am their gay lover! So screw you! I hate you all! You are all going to hell!!!! You are all worse than them!

      in God’s love,
      matthew

      ~~~~~~
      Sorry< I just couldn't resist. I mean, someone has to post the absurd, mindless defense for these POSs. heheh

      • Max The Cat says:

        Praise Jayzuzs! LOL

      • Fred says:

        You did such a good job with the stanard relative / friend that I was actually thinking you might be a child of theirs!

      • Bri Constantine says:

        thanks for supporting my parents

        • vcbecky says:

          Please back away from the keyboard, go find a dictionary, and reference the word “sarcasm”. Until you understand what ‘sarcasm’ means, you have no business on the internet.

          • diana says:

            Don’t you just love the smell of idiots in the comments?

            • Homer says:

              Yeah, and she probably thought “gay” meant happy…

            • Bri Constantine says:

              im not an idoit im tweleve give me a break and he is not being sacrastic. leave my parents alone. and gay is happy ok im not stupid like u now go get a girlfreind homer or u might be gay so go get boyfriend and go suck it ok.

            • vcbecky says:

              Stop intentionally hurting yourself by Googling your parents. Twelve is smart enough to know better than to get into an argument with adults online. You can’t win. Don’t be a dumbass – learn from your parents mistakes or end up in prison as an adult. It’s really your choice.

    6. Daughter of the Firmament says:

      Is that thing a male or a female?

    7. Fast Eddy says:

      Good. I work so fucking hard for my little slice of the pie. These mf’s come and grab my piece your piece and seconds. That’s why this is so fucking beautiful. Nothing gets me happier than a white collar criminal or dirty politician exposed and then punished. Whoooo! Love this shit right here. Justice. So so beautiful.

      • Bri Constantine says:

        no they worked for it. the ysupported our family ok all my parents did in there life was work and work for THERE CHILDREN<3

    8. brent says:

      Okay that takes care of them. Can we please get someone to start on the Medicare, Medicaid fraud that’s completely out of control. Oops sorry hope that’s not to political.

      Stay in school!!!

    9. justjaney says:

      Just have to do the aussie dance here…”na nan na nan na”(pokes out tongue)…hehehehhehe love it :)

      • Bri Constantine says:

        no u dont. u are ALLLLLLLL stupid and my parents dont deserve this ok the truth will let out. God bless<3

        this is really starting to bug me – it should read “the truth will ‘come’ out”.

        pssst, btw bri, the truth is out.

        -editor

        • Jason says:

          My heart honestly bleeds for you, not because you’re right, but because it will hit so much harder later on. Your parents do love you, and this crime didn’t change that, it’s just that they didn’t consider the consequences of all of their actions. If they could read what you wrote here, I think they’d be proud of you and angry at themselves. There’s probably a lot of pain and guilt behind their eyes right now, and perhaps they’ll do better things later on. Right now though, the reason this all came up, is that in the construction industry and roofing specifically, there’s this insurance you have to have on all of your workers. Insurance helps when accidents happen, and when you’re working on a roof in 100 degree temperatures, accidents are pretty common. Some of your parents workers got hurt. When they tried to use the insurance to pay their medical bills and pay their light bill and rent, the insurance wasn’t there for them. The promises your parents made were lies, and for whatever reason, they didn’t pay those bills when they were supposed to. So now, there are a lot of people with broken arms and backs who have to live far more poorly, depending on welfare and disability when a doctor could have made them a little better earlier on. They have to live the rest of their lives in pain because your mom and dad made decisions that they thought were okay and/or wouldn’t hurt them. The Government of California has to make this right. The only way they can make this partially right is to put your parents in jail for a while, and to seize your parents assets and sell them so the victims can be paid. If your parents made some of the right choices along the way, you will probably not suffer too much, but things will change and all of those changes may not be for the better.

          I know you’re 12 and you’re reading this and thinking I’m treating you like a baby, but it’s not my intention. I’m trying to explain to you what you need to know to understand how to deal with the future that awaits you. The future is uncertain, but sharpen your mind, your wits and your skills. When someone makes a promise to you, make sure they keep it. If they lie to you, make sure they know how badly those lies can hurt. You can be better than this. You can choose to not make the same mistakes your parents made and the end result can be your parents being even more proud of you than they already are. Be strong, be kind, be brave, be good, be smart, behave.

          Good luck.

    10. Steve says:

      It’s so funny that these two doorknobs were quickly and successfully prosecuted (and rightfully so) for a mere few million dollars, but executives at companies like AIG suck billions from US taxpayers as bailouts, then turn around and pay themselves multi-million dollar bonuses, and no one bats an eye prosecution-wise. Perhaps if these two had bilked California for billions instead of a mere few million, they would have gotten away with it. I guess they should have thought bigger and greedier :)

      • Fred says:

        The real problem is that they kept the proceeds of their greed and corruption for themselves, had they shared such with the Obama and Pelosi canpaigns, their companies would be receiving bail out and stimulus money!

    11. Janet B. says:

      I couldn’t be happier that these two are going to jail (Michael for sure, and probably his gross looking overly-botoxed wife will go, too). I’m sick of crooks robbing people and frauding agencies to make millions while the rest of us have to work our asses off and do things the honest way. This article didn’t even mention the fact that one of Petronella’s employees was LEGITIMATELY hurt and when he tried to get worker’s comp. he couldn’t because the company he worked for wasn’t insured because Petronella was too busy scamming the system.

      I wonder if that poor guy actually got compensated for his injuries or if he was just fucked over because Petronella is a scummy wannabe mob boss. I guess Petronella facing up to 48 years of being a prison BITCH will be justice for the worker who got screwed out of his worker’s comp. HA-HA!

      Now onto the gross man-lady wife of his. She’s an attention-whoring gold-digger who is obsessed with getting on reality shows as a means to validate her hallow, depressing existence. She watched (and helped) her husband scam millions from the system and lived lavishly from it. I hope she goes to prison and some butch lifer named Francine makes her a nice wifey!

      Scumbags. Dirty, rotten, evil scumbags! While they’re scamming insurance companies, TONS of small businesses are suffering because the companies raise the insurance premiums on EVERYONE else to off-set when these assholes stole from them!

      Oh…. and to Jordan Petronella and Michael V Constantine III: BRING IT, FUCKERS! I agree with Max, where are you now, bitches?!? Where’s the flames, threats, and childish insults? I almost feel bad for you tool-bags because, after all, it wasn’t YOU who scammed the insurance companies, but you need to come to terms with the fact that your uncle/father is a crook and stop trolling on the internet defending the despicable actions of your evil relative and threatening/insulting others who despise them.

      • Mulch says:

        This article didn’t mention a guy getting hurt for real but the original did. This is only an update. Have a look at the older stories.

      • Bri Constantine says:

        1.my mom is beatiful. 2. they dont need u talking crap on them. 3. leave them alone. 4. i love them

        • vcbecky says:

          Bri, of course you love them. Keep loving them and supporting them, just don’t try to justify their actions or become anything like them.

          One thing you have to learn is that, just because you love them and they’re your parents doesn’t mean the rest of the world owes them any respect unless they earn and keep it, like everyone else. It’s a painful lesson. Your parents are human, with all the frailties and faults of the species.

          You also need to learn to be strong, and to truly think for yourself. You’re at an age where you can do this. You obviously have a heart and a soul, and you’re hurting very deeply now. Don’t feed that pain by reading this website. YOU didn’t do anything wrong – YOU don’t deserve to suffer for it.

          Please, I’m begging you now, don’t come back to this website. Stop posting, stop hurting yourself, and stop trying to fight a losing battle on a blog that, in the scope of things, really shouldn’t matter to you.

    12. Janet B. says:

      excuse me, this article DOES mention the employee getting hurt (sorry, Max) but it doesn’t mention whether or not the injured employee ever received worker’s comp. and I can’t find it anywhere. Does anyone know?

    13. Fred says:

      I may have said this in the origional post, but with those big lips, Devon could suck my dick and keep my balls warm!
      Maybe I’ve been watching too much South Park, or maybe it’s because my nads are cold on my wood chair…

    14. SD says:

      YESSSSSSSSSSSS :)

    15. Harley Quinn says:

      I didn’t post in the original thread but I did have a fine time reading it as it went down. I seriously hope that when Wildcat10 dusts off his hands and knees after sucking dick in a Taco Bell bathroom, he comes back to apologize.

      • SD says:

        Me too Harley…was quite entertaining to read. First place asshat goes to the 3 in 1, Jordan aka Wildcat…whatthefuckever.

    16. sanders roofing says:

      nobody reports he was also using illeagle immigrants,cheap labor.alot of roofing companys were put out of bussiness by these two, i know there bids were thousands lower when i bid against them, i hope they get the max,and every other buss.thats screwing the working man out of a living wage.

    17. Shirley says:

      So Mr. Petronella was supposed to be sentenced in April 2010. What happened?

      My interest in this? I competed with him and tried to tell people he was crooked, but the cheap prices lured them in. And he lured in some big fish–gated communities looking for a deal. No scam was too small and he held the homeowners hostage with his “roof warranty.” That warranty is worthless now.

      • Max The Cat says:

        But haven’t you heard Shirley – Michael and Devon didn’t do anything. It’s just a big frame job by the State of California – Yeah right. If I have to listen to one more relative of these two crooks professing their innocence I swear to God I’m not going to be responsible for my actions.

        As for their sentencing, the latest from the Superior Court of Orange County website says this:

        DATE TIME LOCATION STATUS

        03/18/2010—— 09:00 AM——Chambers Work——Heard
        04/16/2010——09:00 AM——Chambers Work——Heard
        04/23/2010——09:00 AM——Sentencing———-Heard
        06/24/2010——09:00 AM——Chambers Work——Heard
        07/07/2010——09:00 AM——Chambers Work——Heard
        07/09/2010——09:00 AM——Sentencing———-Heard
        07/16/2010——09:00 AM——Hearing————-Cancel

        Hope that helps – looks like the court isn’t close to being ready to give them their official sentences.

      • Bri Constantine says:

        stupid he did but the judge gave them a second chance so he is getting setenced like in november k

    18. Bri Constantine says:

      how could u there amazing people. they didnt do anything wrong. THE TRUTH WILLL LET OUT. jesus is on our side and u wont see them in hell ok. leave them alone. THIS IS THERE DAUGHTER AND I DONT LIKE U POSTING THIS STUFF MIND UR OWN BUINESS OK .

      • vcbecky says:

        Bri, I get a feeling you’re far too young to be posting on a website like this one. If these are your parents, I suggest you stop searching their name online. It won’t do you any good, sweetie. Really, it’ll only cause you pain.

        If on the other hand, your writing style belies your true age, I can only take it as an indication of their horrible parenting skills and advise you to get a real education, and to stop being an asshat. If Jesus is on their side, why are they in this predicament in the first place?

        • Bri Constantine says:

          I dont like having the grammar skills of a stick up your’e butt ok. Like you do. I don’t really care how my grammar is on this thing. And i have a 4.0 GPA i think they taught me well.

          • vcbecky says:

            If you have a 4.0, use the skills you learned. You should be proud of that GPA, Bri. Keep at it.

            Live smarter than your parents. Take the feelings and needs of others into consideration and you will go far and have many friends. Stop hurting yourself here.

      • Jason says:

        I don’t understand your first sentence. They committed crimes. The truth got out, and was repeated here. Jesus is on the right hand side of God if you’re Christian, a mere prophet if you are Muslim and an uppity Carpenter if you’re Jewish. He’s not on the side of the temporal, else there’d be no wrongfully executed prisoners, no need for a evolution debate, and Sarah Palin would have been struck by a lightning bolt a long time ago. Jesus also doesn’t drink Gatorade or make sports athlete great. Try reading the Bible and at least understanding Christ’s side before you choose to treat him like he’s a member of your clique.

        If you are in fact her daughter, and not the same spammer who claimed to be his son/nephew a few months back, then listen carefully, you’re not going to be able to make a case for your parents here. This isn’t a court room, isn’t innocent until proven guilty and your parents have a lot of evidence against them. if you can present a logical, reasonably grammatically correct defense that provides new information, the first step would be to use that in your parent’s legal defense. If that succeeded, then Max and/or admin, would post an update with a reasonable retraction. That’s the easiest and most efficient way to deal with the comments on this site. If you can’t do that, you’re in for a lot of heart ache if you focus on this site instead of first learning to accept what your parents did.

        I hope you live a happier and more fulfilling life than these comments suggest you plan on living. Sharpen your mind, your body and your wit, because the next few years are going to be even tougher than the last few. Eventually you’ll accept what had to be and learn to see your father and mother for what they are. There are other people who have had to deal with this sort of thing. Look up on wikipedia for Jim and Tammy Faye Baker for example. They were admittedly much worse than your parents, but the scandal has some interesting parallels. Look for them and try to take the time to figure out where this is all going.

        • Blondie says:

          *snort* uppity carpenter. LOL

        • diana says:

          bahahahahaha! Sarah Palin struck by a lightning bolt. I love it 8)

        • Homer says:

          I could not have said it better myself. Bri Constantine, the nature of truth is that it cannot be changed, only accepted. When the truth is flattering, acceptance comes easy, but when it hurts the first, instinctive reaction is to deny it. Jason here makes some seriously good points, and though I’ve ribbed you in my comments above, here I speak in earnest: you could do a lot worse than follow his advice.

          Defending your parents because they’re your parents is fully understandable, and people calling them douchebags and whatnot on the internet does not deny you the right to love them. But none of this changes the simple truth that what your parents did was wrong. And it does not give you the right to call anyone who disagrees with you an asshole.

          Until you come to terms with what has happened, you’ll be stuck in that painful place you are now. And once you have accepted the truth, no matter how disappointed and cheated you feel, I hope you will continue to love them. Because that’s another thing that will never change. They will always be your parents, faults and all.

          • Jason says:

            Thanks, I think I could have done without my own typos, but Admin and a few others know why I’m not at my best.

            As a side note Bri, I’m fairly certain Jesus isn’t on anyone local’s team. He’ll pick us up after the game and make us feel better, but as it stands, with a cervical collar around my neck, I can assure you he doesn’t have to make this easy on even the people who aren’t at fault. If you think your folks have it bad, read about Diane Schuler some time and imagine your last name is Bastardi, or that you lost one of your kids to Diane’s garbage. No matter how many years your parents finally get on this, the sentence they got is a lot longer, and I think they were pretty sure Jesus was on their team as well.

            On another note…
            “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24

            Maybe Jesus is playing for your folks and you just can’t see the squeeze play?

          • Bri Constantine says:

            ok

        • Bri Constantine says:

          Im christian ok leave me alone.

      • diana says:

        When a case is made public, guess what? It becomes public business.

        When people like your parents commit crimes like this, they make it harder for people that have actually been hurt to obtain worker’s compensation. They screw up the entire system. Think of all the people your parent’s took money from. Think of all the hungry mouths that were not fed because of your wonderful parents.

        SO pardon me daughter, when I tell you that you are full of shit. You parent’s worked for nothing. They are scum. And with any luck, they will be finally be punished like the scum they are.

        • Bri Constantine says:

          thye id work hard an they did feed alot of people

          • Max The Cat says:

            Listen Bri Constantine? I’m going to do you a huge favor kid. I’m going to ban you from this website. You’re 12-years-old, you don’t know shit, and coming here and reading what adults think of adult situations is only hurting you. If you think you parents are innocent, well, that’s fine, you keep believing in them.

            Everybody has to do what they have to do to cope with their pain, and I guess this is your thing. But you wont do it here anymore, not if I have anything to say about it. You should be hanging at the mall with your friends, trying to get past all this garbage that adults have shoved down your throat, not debating people like us who know a lot more about the law that you do.

      • Max The Cat says:

        I oversleep one time in the last 2 years, and THIS is what I wake up too? Jesus is on your side? Who’s that, Jesus Garcia, your parent’s old gardener? Tell me something, did they at least pay HIS workman’s compensation insurance? So who cuts the grass now that the dirty money isn’t coming in any more?

        Look, if we seem harsh or cruel, it’s only because we want you to face the truth about your parents. That doesn’t mean you have to start hating them, or cut them out of your life. They’re your folks, and you should love them no matter what they did. But don’t sell your integrity out for anyone’s sake, because sometimes, it’s all you have going for you. Defending the indefensible with trite statements like “Jesus is on our side” is no way to honor you parents – in the face of all the evidence against them, it convinces no one and only brings you down.

        • E says:

          . . . and, makes us laugh at you.

          You willingly came to a website “People You’ll See in Hell.” If we’re harsh or cruel, don’t be surprised.

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