Wayne Treacy
Not so long ago if I saw a roving band of teenagers or preteens I used to groan with an insufferable amount of annoyance. I simply don’t like them. Now I see them, and wonder how many of them would be willing to murder one another over a video game, or an unseemly text message. The trend in the media indicates to me that more and more of them will succumb to their only partially developed instabilities. It seems like some of the most heinous crimes are being committed by kids nowadays. Can we say Jordan Brown, for instance? I just don’t understand. Can’t you kids go write angsty poetry like I did back in the day?
Well 15 year old Wayne Treacy couldn’t.
I find myself drawn to Wayne Treacy’s story because I, like him, had an absent father when I was a child. I, like him, 
dealt with the tragedy of my remaining father figure committing suicide very close to my birthday. While he looks like your average 15 year old boy with a bad haircut, I wont be the first to say that Wayne Treacy had it easy.
Starting before Wayne Treacy was even born, his father was an overachieving criminal striving towards 43 arrests in the state of Florida. His brother became the stronger father figure in his life, and due to personal issues committed suicide just a couple of days after Wayne’s 15th birthday. It’s sad. Really, I’ve been there and I feel for him. However, that being said, he is still one of the biggest wastes of oxygen on this planet.
Despite his personal problems, Wayne managed to snag himself a little girlfriend. Thirteen year old Kayla Manson. Unfortunately, little Kayla didn’t have a cell phone so she took to texting him from cell phones belonging to her various friends. One of those friends, who she claims is her best friend, is Josie Lou Ratley (Her MySpace). Josie didn’t approve of Kayla’s relationship with Wayne despite having never met him. Why? I couldn’t tell you.
I’m curious about what constitutes a “bad boyfriend” in the eyes of a 15 year old. Maybe Josie thought he had a bad haircut as well, and that was enough. Or maybe Kayla told her some stories that made Josie think Wayne Treacy was 
unstable and dangerous. If it was that last one, Josie hit the nail on the head.
It seems that Josie voiced her lack of approval via text to Wayne Treacy. She made mention of his deceased brother, and that left a bit of a bad taste in Wayne’s mouth. In fact, it really pissed Wayne off. He was outraged. How dare she! Josie Lou Ratley had some nerve going there. Wayne decided to show her just how much nerve.
He laced up his steel toed boots and readied his bicycle. He pedaled three miles to Deerfield Beach Middle School. I bet he popped a badass wheelie on his way there. Wayne was going to teach Josie a lesson. He told himself that she would have to die.
Excuse me did I say he told himself? My mistake, he actually told several other people his intention.
But oh wait, Wayne Treacy had never met Josie. He didn’t know what she looked like. I guess he figured any 15 year old girl would do, because he advanced on the wrong girl before Kayla stepped in and pointed out the real Josie to him.
That’s right, Kayla pointed Josie Lou Ratley out to him. Knowing what he was going to do. Josie’s self proclaimed besty threw her under the bus instead of finding an authority figure and saving Josie from the horror that was about to be bestowed upon her.
In a perfect world, Wayne Treacy would have taken that opportunity to really think about what he was about to do to a 
girl he had never met. He would have wiped the sweat off his brow and said “Whew, that was close. I almost made a terrible mistake. I need to go home, and get some help”. But you readers know as well as I do that nothing is perfect.
He had the right Josie in his sights. Her back turned to him, she was at the bus stop waiting. She had no idea what was behind her, or that Wayne was even there at all. One minute she’s standing there, the next Wayne Treacy rushed her from behind, hitting her until she fell down. He banged her head and face 5 or 6 times into the concrete. When he was done with that, he stood up and kicked her in the head 6 or 7 more times…with his steel toed boots. Blood poured out of her nose and mouth.
Finally a teacher came and pulled him off Josie, but by then she was a battered mess, collapsed in a pool of her own blood. Josie had to be airlifted to a hospital, and Wayne was taken inside the school for questioning. When he emerged later in handcuffs, he was barefoot because his boots were taken into evidence. His boots were considered a deadly weapon.
Josie Lou Ratley’s injuries were so severe that a coma was medically induced and a portion of her skull was cut away to allow for swelling in her brain. If there is a such a thing as a silver lining, Josie woke up from her coma just a month later and doctors re-attached a portion of her skull. She recognizes her loved ones and doctors, but has very little motor function. She cries a lot, because she doesn’t know what happened to her, but she knows it was bad. In spite of the horrible things Wayne Treacy did to her, she has made remarkable progress in the past couple of weeks. Her doctors can’t say how far she will recover. Nobody will know until she stops.
Wayne Treacy has been charged as an adult for attempted premeditated murder. Kayla Manson has been charged as a juvenile accessory. Wayne was transferred from a juvenile facility to Boward County Jail. If he’s convicted, he faces life in prison. Way to follow in your daddy’s footsteps Wayne. Enjoy your cell.
Will We See Wayne Treacy In Hell?
- Yes, for sure (86%, 522 Votes)
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This kind of pre-meditated violence deserves no mercy. This piece of trash should spend the rest of his life in prison. He had several chances to reign himself in, and he didn’t. He’s missing a few filters that are necessary for a person to function normally. Those don’t just come back one day – when they’re gone, they’re gone.
I don’t care what kind of horrible childhood he had – Harley had a similar one, and there are many worse stories out there. Being a victim doesn’t give him the right to victimize.
Situations like this one just make me sick. A bad childhood or a disorder isn’t a valid excuse in my book. Plenty of us have one or both, and we wouldn’t dream of doing anything like this.
No argument from me here.
I don’t think that a 15 year old is necessarily an adult, and there was obviously less planning here than there was in the Jordan Brown case.
That said, 15 years old is old enough to know to appreciate the severity of stomping a girl’s head with steel toed boots. If this girl had confronted him and he responded this way, it would be one thing (but still not excusable of course). However, he affirmatively went out to find this girl. The law is clear that these facts qualify as “premediated” attempted murder so there should be no problem showing the requisite malice.
Throw the book at him.
How about throwing the book at Mom too? Where was she at? Her older son’s suicide should have been an indication that she was doing something not right with both of those boys. Did anyone care to look into the mental health of the younger boy, raised by he same person, in the same environment?
I do agree the boy needs to be punished. At 15 knowing right from wrong is easy. But, the person that raised this monster needs to be checked out, especially if there are any other children in the house. When two of your children end up doing something like her two sons have done, there NEEDS to be an intervention.
Maybe mom is already in prison. She’s probably a real winner herself.
HQ, any news on mom?
And who are the girls in the photos? I assume the redhead is the poor victim because she looks vaguely similar to the ‘after’ photo, and the brunette prisoner with the wonky eyeballs is the girlfriend. It’s obvious who the primary shitbag is.
I’m sorry, it was extremely late for me (I work nights, so my 2 p.m. affects me like 2 a.m. does to most people.) when I posted that and I did so not knowing the whole story. I just seen it as the fact first the brother did what he did, then the younger brother does this. Yes, suicides are usually cases of their own. But the older brother’s suicide paired with the younger ones actions…
Not to defend the younger boy, how much do you think his older bother (who is stated to have been the the younger boy’s father figure) and his suicide had a part in influencing the younger boy’s actions? I don’t want to give the boy excuses, I’m just curious if that is or will be something his attorney is going to use for his defence.
Gabby…. although I agree that there is some serious issues surrounding this family, l(ike there should have been a law against them breeding type of issues) but I have to disagree with your point regarding the older brothers suicide. Suicides (especially among teens) are not always the direct result of poor parenting or would indicate that there is something wrong with their siblings. Depression is not always genetic.
I am not trying to nit pick so I apologize and you are obviously very correct regarding this particular family.
For the record, I read in some comments on one of the news sites that the older brother committed suicide because he was going through a bad divorce. I don’t know how true that is thought.
You’re spot-on with both points, Ben. He’s not an adult and he didn’t put as much thought into planning this as Jordan Brown did.
However, he DID plan it. He had enough time to cool his jets and realize he was about to destroy his own life as well as that of at least one more person. He almost jumped the wrong person. The thought that he almost beat down the wrong girl seems never to have crossed his ‘mind’. This wasn’t a crime of passion – this was cold-blooded and premeditated. This is a sick, psychotic monster. I’m glad he seems to have been caught before he actually had a chance to kill anyone.
I’m glad his girlfriend was charged, too. What a wonderful BFF! Sick bitch.
What boggles my mind is how he obviously didn’t put any thought whatsoever into the consequences of his actions. In light of his family history, his fathers record and common sense itself, if nothing else he’s too stupid to allow back into society.
I actually read somewhere after I submitted this article that he texted his friends immediately after saying something like “I may have killed someone and be going to jail”. I can’t remember where I saw it or I’d link it.
He rode his bike 3 miles THREE MILES! He had time to cool down.
The book? How about MY steel toed boots?
First off, I do not condone the brutal assault this little prick handed out, it was way over the top and pussified. But on the other hand, isn’t this a bit similar to the recent incident where the girl in one school killed herself because of classmates name calling and such? Couldn’t it be argued that he simply had the means and fortitude to defend himself in this case, whereas the suicide girl didn’t or couldn’t? When I was a kid, ‘yo mama’ was fighting words, but making fun of someones dead sibling is pretty shitty and I seriously doubt that anyone on this board would sit back and take it, especially when you do have a shitty life to begin with.
I guess the question I pose here is why should someone be severely punished for defending themselves against something that has caused other young people to kill themselves over, then have the perpetrators in that case charged with a litany of offenses after the fact? How can one say ‘what horrible people’ to call the suicide girl names and then charge them with a crime, but this guy should burn in hell for basically defending himself in a similar situation? Not trying to start a flame war here, I just feel that this is a legitimate argument, not that I agree with it necessarily, especially to the extent that this guy hurt that girl.
I agree with this to a limited degree. What he did can never be excused, but the content of her text message might be a mitigating circumstance. Maybe it truly could have been a “crime of passion” for a 15 year old.
How do you know she made fun of a dead sibling? The text she sent hasn’t even been released yet, and the most I’ve heard is she MENTIONED his brother in a text message. My dad killed himself, and it sucked and makes me angry, but if someone mentions him I don’t kick them in the head. It’s not a knee jerk (no pun intended) reaction. The boy is unstable, doesn’t matter what she said.
Where does it say she was making fun of the brother??? Even if that was the case, yeah, it would suck. But how many strangers or people who you are just acquainted with have said something about you, your friends, or family members that you didn’t like or upset you? It’s not right for anyone to handle the situation in this manner.
I did a couple of mouse clicks, and found this link that says there were text messages exchanged, specifically about the guys dead brother: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2815984/15_year_old_girl_josie_lou_ratley_brutally.html?cat=17
Quote from link “Allegedly, a text message remark about his brother, who recently committed suicide, is said to have set Wayne Treacy off.” The meat of my original question is what kind of precedence will the Phoebe Prince bullying suicide set for people like Treacy to get softer sentences than they normally would when a situation like this happens? I think a good lawyer may set up a very interesting battle in the near future that could make for some really shitty laws to be passed, all stemming from the Phoebe Prince case.
A “text message remark” doesn’t mean something bad or insulting. She could have said anything from “your brother killed himself because you touch yourself at night” to “I don’t think you should be with Kayla because you’re still dealing with your brothers suicide”. Until they release it, we wont know what it says. Personally, I don’t care if she called his brother a lilly pussy bitch who sucks dick for crack behind the laundry mat so he can get enough quarters to clean his shit stained panties – none of it excuses what he did.
Well Harley, what exactly do you think was said in the message to get this boy to ride a bicycle 3 miles to beat the crap out of this girl? Do you not think that it can be safely assumed that she said something that may have driven him to beat her practically to death? No reason to start an argument or pick something to pieces just because no one knows what was said in the text. It’s a valid point, and should be answered with a valid response. We’re all big people here, and I think we can safely assume she said something derogatory about this boys deceased brother.
First up: good writing!! Well written. I am amazed that so many different writers can come to PYSIH and speak with one “voice”. :-)
Next, jeez, HQ, I loved that written put-down. Made me laugh right out loud and wake my babies!!! They are still fluttering in the cage. *sigh* I’m such a bad Mommy.
Agree with you totally. Even if someone had texted something like that, I’d just bide my time and get revenge in another way. I just don’t get why everyone today thinks that outright violence is the answer to hurt feelings.
I’ve got issues with suicides anyway. In the end, it is ultimately about the person who commits suicide: it’s like, I can’t take it anymore … no, I *WON’T* take it anymore, and they’re outtahere! So screw everybody else who’ll be left behind to deal with it. Bye.
But that’s just my perspective and speaking as someone who knows too much from a personal point of view.
MarkedMan and Simplyred I thought about that too. I’m no devil’s advocate, and I think what this boy did was brutal and uncalled for. Like Harley, I am not a fan of preteen and teenagers at all, espcially boys (hopefully a few years will reform this view… I have 2 small sons). However, I’ve seen people gettin beaten for commenting on someone’s family member (mother, child, sister,etc). In fact, when I was 3-4, I saw my mother sprint home and get a butcher knife to stab a man in our apartment complex who commented that my sister and I were “fat” as we were passing him by. Her best friend at the time struggled the knife away from her, or she undoubtedly would be written up on here. My grandmother, also a firecracker, was known for her blind rages in response to comments to or about her family. This is somewhat common in my “culture”. Not right, or acceptable, but common. However, commenting on a person’s loved one who is deceased, wow, for most people I know those would most certainly be fighting words, and they are adults. Children, and yes at 15 this kid is a child, don’t act with the logic, rationale, reasoning, and level-headedness that it takes to be a true adult. Because they are not true adults, they are children. I’m not excusing what this kid did to this poor girl. He very well should be severly punished for it. But it’s not outside of my realm of understanding to believe that she said something very hurtful in text to set him off, and he flew into a blind rage and went after her. I think it’s sad. I hope Josie recovers fully and that Wayne gets the help he needs.
Thanks so much for sharing this all with us Ileapb4Ilook (and what an apropos pseudonym considering the subject we’re discussing). My father was born in Italy, but raised in the US, and my maternal grandparents came over on the boat from Italy in the mid 1930s, so I grew up around a lot of old country Italian tradition. While my parents never when after any of the neighborhood bullies with a knife, I always knew that family was the most important thing. So I understand what you’re saying – how I was trained to automatically respond without thinking when someone insults my family. But given a couple of minutes to think about it, I can always calm down and stop myself from doing something stupid. Wayne Treacy had more than enough time to reconsider his plan, and he chose to go through with it.
He had murder on his mind too. This was a lot more than just an angry kid going off and beating on someone who insulter him. He was trying to kill Josie, sure as I’m sitting here, and he would have, if that teacher hadn’t intervened.
Max you are right about his time to calm down. I am infinitely calmer than the matriarchs of my family, and can usually reason with myself. However, you are infinitely wiser and likely more intelligent, as well as not a child like Treacy. After reading a script of the texts on the update, it is clear that Treacy was out of control before the victim mentioned his brother. However, aside from his anger at being taunted as a rapist (which he likely took the wrong way because he loved his little girlfriend, probably one of the only people he also believed loved him, and was offended by being told that he was wrong for loving her), I don’t think he would have really been violent had she not made that comment. But like a homicide detective on tv said the other day, you just don’t ever know what a person is capable of – ever. So I could admittedly be very wrong. Going with my heart on this one.
Still, Treacy is wrong. Even his anger is not an excuse, and if the victim was my daughter, I’d want to take his head off… though if my children said the things she said to him, I’d be mortified. People keep saying he had no reason to be texting her, but clearly it was said that that was how he communicated with his girlfriend, the victim knew it, and his girlfriend knew it. There had not been a problem with this up until this point. It was shown in the texts that he was texting Josie to find out where his girlfriend was when she started taunting him and he responded, and things got out of control, and he made a terrible decision that hurt many people.
This is one of the toughest cases that I have tried to form an opinion on. Now with new evidence, it’s even harder. I’m glad I’m not on that hury, or in either family. How much tougher that must be. The burden of my own indecisevess (libra-ness??) is that I can often “see both sides” which can be annoying when i just want to be mad at someone! And if Treacy was an adult, I’d want the book thrown at him because I have NO tolerance for adult-on-child violence. I guess my main qualm in this case is that I think what happened to the victim was tragic, but that she was not completely blameless and that she in a large part prodded this attack. I think Treacy should be punished, and he should be helped. I don’t discount the anger of those who think differently though, and if I wasn’t later abandoned by both parents, teased for being fat and parentless, and clingy to anyone who showed me attention, I’d likely have that same level of anger.
Max, whether or not I agree with you, I don’t think you realize how wise and refreshing you are. You understand the importance of open discussion, are not afraid to disagree and correct, are not afraid to agree and acknowledge, and are not afraid of the truth. And when you have that type of attitude and wisdom, people are actually more likely to listen to you than they will some raving dimwit who wants to force half-cocked opinions on them. Keep up the good work and maybe one of these days I’ll be as calm, collected, and well rounded as you are. And if you can turn one weirdy into a normal person, well then your job is done lol
Thank you for your kind words Ivonne. It’s not often that someone uses the word ‘wisdom’ when referring to me, and although I feel it is undeserved, I appreciate the compliment. I feel that the best I can ever do is be honest, and remember that this website is here to support the victims of violent crime. As long as I do that, The chances that I’ll say something stupid are reduced considerably.
I agree to a certain extent with you. In regards to Phoebe Prince, she was not just taunted, she was also assaulted by some of the thugs. We should have an entry for the South Hadley 6 here at PYSIH. They are among the most hated people in America and the world alongside with Osama bin Laden, Fred Phelps, and Casey Anthony.
Here’s the link to the texting after the fact, and it also appears to be the same school that the kid that was doused in alcohol and set on fire went. Nice place, eh?
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Sheriff-Teen-Suspect-Sent-Apathetic-Text-After-Girl-Beating-88904442.html
That’s one messed up school.
I vote for a trip for the BOTH of them, non-stop, straight to hell. Some “friend” Kayla is. If this is how he deals with people and problems in life, especially something so small then imagine his temper at bigger things. This guy seems to be a walking time bomb. That poor girl didn’t stand a chance, either. This guy took some time to plan it out for sure. Getting ready to go to the school, lacing up his steel toes boots, looking for her, telling other people his plan. Does anyone know the time difference between the text messages he received from Josie and the day he went to the school looking for her?
Couldnt agree more SD…. also, what about the people he texted and told his evil plan to? Not one of them warned anyone? the school? the cops? their parents? ? ? It might be the first time in history that a teenagers didnt gossip.
Some prisioner needs a pair of steel toe stompers for little Wayne. Stomp some sense into his fractured skull. He looks like a real weiner too… I wish Hell to be really REALLY painful for this idiot. ONCE AGAIN he is another poster child for birth control.
I honestly don’t think he should spend the rest of his life in prison. This crime pales in comparison to most of the stories on here. I am glad she survived, but there is more to this story. She instigated his violence. She was being a normal teenage drama queen. What he did was uncalled for, but she obviously struck an emotional nerve with the only person that ever meant anything to him. I feel for him as well.
Jeremy, your attitude is part of the problem.
Josie is the victim of a violent attack.
She did not instigate violence.
No matter what she said, she may be a drama queen, she may have struck an emotional chord, hit a nerve, or she may even be the biggest motherfucking bitch that ever walked – but she did not instigate the violence.
Wayne Treacy instigated the violence.
Josie instigated all the violence!
John, are you upset that Wayne is gonna have his mangina popped by someone other than you his first time? I can’t think of any other reason for your single-sentence outbursts.
Care to enlighten us as to your relationship with the monster?
When I was younger somebody out to hurt my feelings told me my dad committed suicide because I was a selfish cunt whore. It stung like you wouldn’t believe. Furthermore, I have a disorder that makes it difficult to control my impulses and makes it nigh impossible to not fly off the handle. I never laid a hand on that person. I cut them out of my life and never felt the sting of their destructive comments again.
You don’t get to write it off as INSTIGATING violence because violence isn’t an acceptable solution. That’s like saying “she was asking for it” if a drunk girl flashes a guy at a party and he date rapes her.
If she flashes him, She is asking for it.
You are a complete ignorant asshole. I’m a lady and I’ve never flashed anyone. However, for the fun of it, let’s say I’m flashing you right now. Do you now think you can just take it because I showed it to you. I pray a man like you gives a lady like me the chance to rip their balls off and feed it to them before I die.
John, Lady J is right – you are ignorant. Men don’t rape women because they’re horny. Men rape women as a power play, an act of violence, and for many various other psychological reasons having nothing to do with sex itself.
It’s guys like you who make the Rape-aXe necessary. Google it. I dare ya.
How about I flash you, and you try and take it from me. What do you think are the odds you live through it?
These ladies are right. Rape is about power and, most of all, about cowardice. People who take things that aren’t theirs from people that are weaker than they are, and do it by force, are cowards by nature.
You sir are a moron.
I don’t care if Josie told Wayne his brother died naked in church on Christmas Eve, straddling the Baby Jesus while fellating a donkey and fucking Wayne in the asshole. There is NO EXCUSE for trying to kill her. He maimed her beyond repair. That child’s life will never be the same. How dare you try to blame her for an ounce of it, you sick bastard.
And before you tell me he didn’t try to kill her, have you ever kicked anything while wearing a pair of steel-toed boots? I have. It’s like having bionic feet. Wayne Treacy put those boots on while thinking about what he wanted to do to her. He knew damn well what he was putting on his feet. He had time to cool off, but he didn’t.
That should tell you something obvious about Treacy, but on the off-chance you’re not wired for logic, allow me to enlighten you – THERE IS A SHORT CIRCUIT IN THE BRAIN OF A PERSON WHO IS CAPABLE OF THIS KIND OF MONSTROSITY WHICH MAKES THEM UNSAFE TO LIVE AMONG NORMAL PEOPLE. Now tell me if you’d like this terrifying douchebag dating your daughter. Babysitting your children. Living next door to your family. Walking by your house at night. There is no place in civilization for a monster like Wayne Treacy.
He deserves way more than he got, you impressively, bombastically, outrageously idiotic person, you.
vcbecky it seems has a very closed-minded attitude on this issue. When others intelligently express their OPINIONS on a story, it strikes a nerve in her and makes her flame others uncontrollably. She seems to only be able to see things myopically. She is obviously not an autodidact. Verbal expletives become the only means of venting. Yes, what he did was wrong. No, she is not to blame for what happened to her. Noone is saying that. But every one of us has exploded on some individual in one way or another, some more violently than others. That is part of the reason they have the term “aggrivated assault”. Wayne Treacy, in all of his deviant mind and irrational anger just so happened to react in one of the worst ways possible. Again, thank God that she survived, I think that is very important and nobody seems to be mentioning that.
Oh Jeremy you’re so above average. Your sophisticated opinion and all. Sometimes foul language has to be used when you’re talking about foul people. Are you out of your mind. Like Miwist said you dude are part of the problem. I got a $100.00 bill to nothing that says if this punk were to get out jail he’ll be right into something else. Let’s see how much of a badass he is when he hopefully goes to prison. BTW I am a self taught (autodidact), narrow-minded(myopic) pissed off individual, that is sick and tired of pussyfooting around with these punks!!! Love those big words man:)
Oooh! Ooh! Say more big words brent! Please? You really do sound almost as somiphimuscated as Jeremy. But not nearly as mentally challenged as he is. The only difference between Jeremy and a thug is he’s a well-read thug.
Please Jeremy, allow me to address your intelligent opinions.
1. “She instigated his violence.”
Instigate has a pretty specific connotation. It’s when you try to invite or rather incite violence. One girl calling another girl’s boy a bad boyfriend isn’t inciting violence. Pat Robertson getting up on the 700 club and asking for someone to assassinate the leader of a foreign country is instigating violence. You might argue because incite is used in the definition of instigate that her intention was to excite and inflame him, but how exactly are words a crime that should inspire murderous violence? How can this be considered an intelligently expressed opinion when in five simple words, you failed miserably to express an idea that can be supported semantically or even at a socially acceptable level? Why do I need to accept that a little girl can say some words and that makes it somehow less egregious when someone kicks her teeth in? It’s impossible to have an intelligent discussion if I get to end our conversation because you insulted my friend vcbecky, and now my 6’4″ frame is going to be used to beat you to a pulp. That’s not an intelligent argument, or rather it’s the end of intelligent argument and an instigation of violence. I do not condone it and feel your opinion is weakened to a transparency often demonstrated when a word isn’t considered carefully before it is used.
2. “What he did was uncalled for, but she obviously struck an emotional nerve with the only person that ever meant anything to him. I feel for him as well.”
I like the concession at the beginning, but what exactly is the price of striking an emotional nerve? There’s a point it could be deemed murderous or abusive, take Lori Drew for example, but does it entitle a male in our society to disregard basic decency and settle things with violence? No, you conceded that. He’s young, he’s immature, I can concede that he needed someone to talk him down off his intended plan, but apparently as he was revving himself up for this showdown with a physically disadvantaged opponent (in as much as he has mass, age and sexual characteristics granting him strength beyond her own) and go act out some bully fantasies like a character from a Stephen King novel kicking a dog to death. What we have here is a disproportionate display of force. An escalation that jumped about 4 or 5, thirty story buildings and equated the sort of force you use when someone hits you with a baseball bat to the sort of trauma caused by some snippy emails. You can feel sorry for him, but it doesn’t mean your opinion has to even be considered that valid. You’re a human being who seems to think that this little girl’s words were mitigating factors for attempted murder.
3. Your point of view was that he shouldn’t go away forever. I disagree. As I’ve mentioned on other posts I think from birth we give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re going to act like a responsible human being and not kill or rape anyone. When you do kill or rape someone, the second chance comes only from people willing to trust you again. As a society we give you a second chance when you finish a sentence, but that second chance does not include us forgetting what you did, only forgiving you. You’re still that guy who kicked a girl to death. When we see you trying on a new pair of steel toed boots, we have the right and even the duty to keep you at least 50 feet from the local middle schools. When you tell your friends you’re going to commit violence, we call the cops and they arrest you immediately.
4. Finally, in the now immortal words of Jon Stewart and Dick Cheney, “Go Fuck yourself.” I mean this in every useful sense of the words. It’s a blatant insult meant to incite a reasonable, verbal or more specifically written response. If you escalated to physical violence, you’d be in jail in a jiffy. It’s the sort of response a 15 year old should have given to a teenage drama queen, except that given that he’s a dude and she’s a chick, he should have encapsulated the language in something a little more respectful. Still, it’s a far more appropriate response. From me to you, this is the level of discourse you’re inviting, not something intelligent or truly enlightened. We don’t agree on your opinions, so rather than me waste any more time chewing through it, I told you to masturbate somewhere other than here. If you want to make some intelligent comments to this, I’m game, but I don’t get what you’re really getting at here. If you have to concede that the violence was the bad thing, how do you find common ground with his murderous intent? Is this some sort of pimp or chauvinistic thing where she shouldn’t be able to speak out of turn? Help me out.
Pay attention Jeremy, this is what real intelligence looks like. Take my advice and listen to what this man has to say. It might save you from a lifetime of making the same mistakes you made here tonight, over and over again.
Jason, not that it matters, but I give your rebuttal an A+.
And when I’m hearing it, it is in the best Monty Python-esque voice I can imagine.
;-p
I have never said this before, and probably never will again…..Jason, I bow at your feet.
I actually fist pumped and whispered “fuckin’ A, dude”. Your response to this Jeremy putz was the equivalent of an intelligently worded and precisely executed verbal bitchslap. Kudos.
Jeremy, the conclusions you allow yourself to jump to only show everyone that you’re willing to believe the first thing that pops into your head without truly filtering it through any form of logic. Try thinking something through. You might surprise yourself with an intelligent, well-formed opinion sometime.
Or maybe not.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Hee, hee. Baby Jesus…. (wipes tear away)
First Harley Quinn and now vcbecky. My baby ‘tiels are never going to forgive me!!!
You know, when we do find out what the actual text message was, it is NEVER going to be as hill-hairy-ous as the guesses that you guys have been inserting. :-)
I agree with Jeremy, It’s like a person getting drunk, getting in a car, and injuring someone (not killing them). Yes, they are wrong, and they most likely will learn from the mistake. They will have to go the rest of their life thinking of what would have happened if the worse happened. Should the drunk spend the rest of their lives in prison? NOOOO! You’re stupid! pffft!
So alcohol is some sort of get-out of jail free card in your play book? I can get drunk, get in a car, drive through the front edge of your house and make all of your family members vegetables, but make sure they survive and then get out of jail after a stint in rehab with an “I’m sorry?”
Are you for real? Would you really be happy with that sort of “justice?”
What if two weeks after I got out of the program and I relapse and do it again after a bender, do I get a third chance? A fourth after a 2 year stint? Do I get to call my alcoholism a disease and cry like Swaggart, beg the victims’ families for forgiveness, but then have a bender whenever someone doesn’t watch me or the hooch?
You need to read about Brittany Deanne Schuetz and.or Michael Gagnon before you spout off about something you don’t seem to have thought about. There are plenty of others on this one…
Becky,
I’ve read so many of your posts and I have to say, I agree with damn near every one. (ok, probably every one. lol)
Oh, that’s the way to go. Encourage me. I’m sure you’ll get fan mail for it. ;) (thanks!)
Yeah, Jeremy. You’re right. She WAS being a “normal teenage drama queen.”
The normal response back to normal teenage drama ISN’T a fuckin’ steel-toed boot the head, repeatedly.
He could have just texted her back and called her names, like a NORMAL teenage response.
But no. He rode his bike THREE MILES, told other people he was going to find her, almost beat up someone else, then finally found her and damn near killed her. Do you KNOW how long a three mile bike ride takes? That’s plenty of time to calm down and say to yourself “Self, maybe we should turn around. This isn’t a good idea.”
I don’t give a flying rat’s backside what someone says. They don’t deserve what he did to her. He’s a sick kid and needs to be away from the rest of society.
What is a thirteen year old girl doing with a nineteen year old best friend? Josie’s my space says she is nineteen. What was she doing at the Middle School?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Umm- Josie lied on MySpace? Hard to believe,I know – but sometimes the little ones like to embellish
The news stories all say Josie is 15 – the same age as Wayne.
People often lie about their age on MySpace, Facebook, etc.
*GASP*! The HELL you say!
There are just some things that should never be said to another person, in particular a slur aimed a recently deceased loved on. We are blessed to have freedom of speech in America, but just because we can say something doesn’t mean that we should. I think that teachers and parents don’t stress that enough.
When I was in high school there were a group of female bullies that picked on one my friends until she finally decided to leave public school and go back to the reservation. On her last day of school she was leaving with tears streaming down her face and these girls, one of which was the sheriffs daughter, were taunting her without any remorse. I spoke up and nicely asked them to stop, pointing out that she was already crying and they had gotten what they wanted. They responded by shouting more insults at her even louder. I responded by starting a fist fight and making the sheriffs daughter eat a little dirt. I think all in all a little dirt was good for her as she was much more polite to everyone after that. Myself and 13 other girls were suspended for a week, but you know what? They never, ever picked on any of my friends again.
I am sorry that Josie got hurt as badly as she did. She didn’t deserve to be beaten almost to death. But I won’t lie, if she had said something to me about my brother committing suicide I probably would have gotten into a fight with her.
Riva, what you did for your friend was admirable. I did a similar thing in high school, with similar results. You were protecting an innocent girl from a bunch of bullies.
How in FUCK can you compare your experience with what Wayne Treacy did? He attacked a girl not to protect an innocent person, but to KILL HER for sending a TEXT to him and insulting his brother.
She didn’t deserve to be beaten. Period.
Evolve, Riva. Fists are not a first option. Grow a fucking skin and act like a human being, or move to a jungle somewhere and act like you want to.
Settle down.
Be quiet.
Go jump off a cliff, Jeremy. You’re asking to jump off a cliff with that attitude, so it only follows that you should, right?
I mean, you’re the one telling people some women deserve to be raped. You’re a sick bastard.
Go jump off a cliff.
Settle down?
And who died and made you the high and mighty moderator?
You are a “commenter” and that doesn’t equal moderator.
Grab a dictionary. I KNOW you’ve got time.
Ok, kicking someone’s ass for running their mouth is one thing. KNOWINGLY wearing steel-toe boots & kicking someone in the head repeatedly AFTER punching them in the head makes you a fucktard who deserves hell.
The little bitch girlfriend deserves her own little piece of hell for giving up her “best friend” to the prick in the first place. She may have been the one person who could have difussed the whole situation by simply telling the asshole that Josie wasn’t there. Something, anything.
People talk, gossip, spread rumors, ESPECIALLY in school. There is NO excuse for what this kid did, regardless of what brought it on. Why didn’t his girlfriend kick her ass? When did it become ok for a guy to hit a girl? Let me tell you, if some girl was talking crap about my man, and I knew he was going to hit her- I would kick her ass myself. I wouldn’t let my man hit a chick, let alone stomp her head in. I am not saying his girlfriend should have wore the boots, I’m just saying she is definitely as much at fault.
It’s like saying someone deserved to be raped because they wore slutty clothes. No. It doesn’t work that way. Who cares WTF the girl said, she could have said It was his fault his brother died, that she was glad he died whatever- it doesn’t mean she deserved to be beat like that. Maybe just a bitch slap from his girlfriend… but still. no.
“It’s like saying someone deserved to be raped because they wore slutty clothes. No. It doesn’t work that way. ”
Actually, it happens that way on a daily basis, and all over this planet for that matter. Who are you, or I for that matter, or anyone to decide who or who doesn’t deserve to be raped? In your opinion, has noone in the history ever deserved or asked for a beating, a rape, any time of mistreatment? How shallow-minded and media-controlled the readers of these articles can be.
Just because it “happens” doesn’t make it just fine and okay. Genocide happens too, well I guess some people deserve it, and since it HAPPENS let’s just not care. Nobody deserves rape. I’ve half a mind to take a page out of Wayne Treacy’s book and kick your skull in for even implying as much.
Here is a columnist with that same mindset that bullying happens all the time and people should not be punished. Sounds like an enabler right there.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/06/AR2010040601901.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
And no that’s not my burned out media controlled brain regurgitating an opinion I saw on Nancy fucking Grace. Rape by definition is unwanted and forced. Nobody deserves that. Nobody is “asking” for it. Who am I to decided that nobody deserves rape or beatings? Somebody who doesn’t deserve unwanted and forced sex or violence.
These are all excuses made by pussy little bitches who want to validate thinking/feeling/doing these things.
Actually Jeremy, mature, sane people don’t beat, rape, murder or whatever other people no matter how much they ask for it. It’s not the invention of the media, It’s a universal truth that you don’t hurt other people unless it’s going to save your life or the life of another innocent person.
So that means you’re either immature, crazy, stupid or a combination of the three. My gut feeling is stupid, because you think that Wayne Treacy’s crime is somehow lessened by the fact that he didn’t kill Josie. Of course, you fail to see that if an adult hadn’t intervened and physically restrained Mr. Tough Guy, he would have continued to kick his helpless victim until she was dead. It’s the reason he changed into his steel-toed boots, and what he told people he intended to do.
I could have forgiven him for snapping and hitting her a couple of times for dissing his brother, but attempted premeditated murder is a whole different ball game.
Max said:
“Actually Jeremy, mature, sane people…..”
and right there Max, you lost him. He doesn’t know any in his circle (you know, mature and sane) and he doesn’t qualify as such based on his logic.
Nice bandwagon of flaming. I expected exponentially more biased, hate-filled remarks towards me for my opinions. You guys are all doing pretty well. It doesn’t strike any of you, how peculiar, that the vast majority of you have similar opinions. This brings to a point the media’s intervention into the closed-minded individual. Alternate viewpoints, such as feeling sorry for the criminal, looking at things, even suggesting the mere thought of looking at things through different viewpoints/eyes, is considered stupid, hateful and/or irrelevant.
I am neither of the names I’ve been flamed with. I also pride myself on being one of the few readers of this site whose every word does not sound like a bad speel from a Bill O’Reilly episode.
I suppose I’m the only one who doesn’t want to lead a hunting party to kill all the homsexual people in the world, too?
No. What do we need to see in his eyes? Okay the girl said something fucked up, but he crossed the line. He should have just spread a bad rumor about her or something. Tell everyone she has herpes or the clap, not stomp her head in ya know?
Bandwagon? Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no such thing. If you mean band-width-wagon, then yep, guess you found us out! Just a bunch of paid munchkins for Bill.
DUH!
And I’m so glad that you have judged us:
“You guys are all doing pretty well.”
because I just wouldn’t sleep well at night if I didn’t pass your troll test.
I don’t know where you get your information, but I personally haven’t even looked at a television set since 2007. Don’t know what Bill has to say about anything except that right now he’s in ca-ca because of some ethics violation (surprise), so my views cannot be media-induced. I choose my venues for information and they don’t include the big fifth establishment cronies.
I realize you would have been more comfortable with goobers, but you won’t find that here.
IF you really want to discuss issues, THEN you’ve come to the right forum.
IF, as I believe, you just want to chat down in your pedantic manner, then no one has the time. (And it’s NO ONE not noone).
Man, even though I’m a Virgo, human spell-checkers drive me bonkers! **yeah,yeah, short drive, I know** ;-p
what happens on a daily basis? women getting raped for dressing slutty? are you saying if they wore different clothing they would have never been raped?
I am April. I do believe there are some who should be raped, those who harm children. I do NOT care why people rape, or why they kill, or beat someones head in with steal toed boots. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION for any of it. PERIOD. Who are you to call anyone shallow-minded? Just because we don’t agree with you? Wouldn’t that make YOU shallow-minded. What makes you think the media controls anything I believe. You need to learn that everyone doesn’t have the same opinion, and not everyone has to agree with you. It’s also called growing up.
You make more sense than anyone else on here. I respect you.
I can see what you are saying too, in the sense that sometimes certain things CAN and DO provoke people. I just don’t believe any victim is asking for it, or deserves it in any case. I am very glad this girl lived, and it doesn’t lessen what he did at all, it is still attempted murder- and he needs to pay regardless. I am sure she regrets deeply sending that message (if she remembers now) and I am sure she never thought any thing like this would happen or the message never would have been sent.
Be careful April, you may have to fight the others for Jeremy’s attention. :-D
Just when you think you’ve heard it all some G*&%$M GENIOUS comes along and makes the most idiotic statement of the century. I’ll give you the fact some people deserve and ask for an “ass whippin” as a matter fact one of them is the original topic of this thread. Do you honestly believe that someone deserves to be raped. Tell me I read that wrong or it was a misprint or something. All I have left to say to you is if it happens to someone you know or a family member I want you to be sure and tell them how you feel. You’re a real piece of work!!!!
What’s green and scaly and lives under the bridge to the greener pasture?
TROLL
Yep! Troll.
The fact is, just because you can do something doesn’t mean you won’t feel repercussions from it. If you dress like a whore, you probably have a better chance of being raped than the girl in the mauve blazer and smart slacks. If you talk shit to or about someone, you just might get your ass served. If someone instigates something intentionally or not by the way they talk to someone or the way they look, dress, whatever, please know that there may be someone somewhere that has a problem with it and will end your world for you. It ain’t right, but it is reality.
Now this guy knows how to present the other side of an argument.
It’s hard to argue with what you’re saying simplyred. What bugs me about Jeremy is he used it a justification for what Wayne Treacy did.
I basically summed up what simplyred said in a way that stepped on the P.C. individual’s toes. I also said I am glad that Josie lived, but nobody else seemed to care.
Tell me, would some of you have rather seen her DIE so you could type out your “I hope he gets a thousand rusty needles in his eyeballs and is eaten alive by wild boars” speech that seems so commonplace(call it venting if you will)? Good Lord in Heaven, she LIVED! And he is IN PRISON, presumably for a long time. Thank God. My heart goes out to everyone involved in this case.
Jeremy I hope you had a good weekend. I damn sure did. Great weather, BBQ and beer with friends, we built a stone patio on Saturday. Damn hard work moving 3 tons of cement plates then laying them in place. My back was screaming but the beer tased incredibly good.
Anyway you don’t give a shit about anyone but yer own little opinion. Whiy is completly wrong by the way. Also you are a little drama queen. I would ask you to leave and never to come back but in yer case I won’t. I am completly amused with your “holier than thou” posts” Stop looking donw you pointed little nose at people. Then your conspericy theories about the media speak volumes about who and what you truey are.
You don’t like Fox News? Great for you! Don’t watch it. Hell I can’t and I can only watch it when I’m in the States. So take your theory and suck on it for a while. I have never been nore will I ever be controlled by anything but myself.
You speaking out against the victim here is not a good idea. This site exists FOR the victim. You and you little left wing views don’t fit too well here. You don’t care about justice or the victim. You only care abotu your opinions.
It ain’t right and it ain”t fair.
You know the rest of the Dianna Rigg quote, but I have to say that you can be simply minding your own business in today’s world, dress like a nun, never look sideways at anyone, and some ass-hat will come along in one of their “moods” and decide to rip into your reality, just because.
This is also reality. It doesn’t mean that we can’t bitch about it, does it? :D
Ah ha Simplyred, the meat of the situation. Gosh, it’s almost what it boils down to, and does explain the other side of the argument without saying that a victim was “asking for it”. What you said is kind of what I’ve been trying to explain to my best friend, well ex best friend. She is an adult woman who is rude, blunt, and tactless. I’ve known her for 7 years and several times wanted to hand her her own ass on a platter for the dumb stuff she said. Everyone won’t love her as much as I do. Some angry, sick fuck out there will get completely fed up with the bullshit she spews. Hopefully the sick fuck is another girl who will just beat her silly and give her walking papers, and not a angry psycho like this kid who will beat her relentlessly and without remorse. The fact is, you’re right, this girl didn’t “deserve” this and the boy should not have done it, point blank period. But, in the U.S., in cases of wrong-doing, the criminals frame of mind, intentions, motivations, etc are taken into account when classifying and sentencing a crime. It should be noted that this defendant may have a workable legal argument that his rage was provoked by very callous words from the victim, and his actions were fueled by an insurmountable anger. Perhaps if we look at that legal stance, it won’t appear that some of us here think that is isn’t a serious crime and a tragedy though Josie lived. It most definitely is, but there are a number of factors to consider, such as the age, mental stability, and motivations of the perpetrator. If for NO other reason than he is, in fact, a child. What keeps ME grounded on this is that, unlike most, I don’t think that freedom of speech allows for people to be exceedingly cruel to one another without fear or need of retribution (though I don’t advocated extreme physical violence in most cases). People should be held accountable for how they treat others. Words can and often do hurt more than physical violence. For instance, I would rather be hit than have my mothering-skills downplayed or degraded. I do believe in “fighting-words”. Gosh that just might make me twisted, though, could you believe it, I’ve never had a fight. Then too, I don’t go around provoking or belittling others and altercations generally don’t arise. That said, I WOULD fight, to the finish, over certain words about my family, and my children. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will break my heart. My heart doesn’t mend so easy, don’t forget about that part. Sometimes, you get tired of being a verbal punching-bag. Sometimes you just get fed up.
“If you dress like a whore, you probably have a better chance of being raped than the girl in the mauve blazer and smart slacks.”
Um, no. Rape is about power, not sexual satisfaction or even attraction – if it were, why are there 90 year old women being raped?
There has never been a study to corroborate your theory that the way a person dresses increases or decreases the likelihood of being rape. Opinions and attitudes like that are the reason rape is the most under reported crime.
Wow. I am utterly shocked that you actually typed that out. Did that make sense inside your head? Because it makes none out here. I don’t care if someone is running down the street naked, they don’t deserve to be raped. I’m going to take a shot in the dark here and assume you have issues with your mother, you are not married, nor do you have a girlfriend or any daughters. Any grown man would not have let that thought come to fruition by typing it out.
And with that I have a suggestion for you. Go grab a bottle of lube and fuck yourself. Better yet, fuck you, in the ass, no lube. Then lets see if you think anyone deserves to be raped.
Oh I see “text rage” (ABC report) well now it all makes sense. How come every F*&%ING thing that happens has to have a G*&%#@M idiotic frickin PC name put on it. TEXT RAGE……..TEXT RAGE are you F$%&KING kidding me!!!! Sorry about the language but give me a break. How about punk ass shit stain, coward worthless POS. Oh but it was TEXT RAGE….. We need to just put him in a sensitivity class. That’ll show him.
I wouldn’t piss down his throat if his guts were on fire. Real tough guy, big man beating up on a defenseless girl. Go to hell and take your girlfriend with you.
If that were my daughter the best this SOB could hope for is to go to jail and stay there.
Whew…..glad I got that out. I think I almost had PYSIH RAGE!!!!
There is absolutely no defense for what this punk did. None! According to the reports, she texted Wayne that she disapproved of the relationship between her bff and him and somewhere in there said something about his brother committing suicide. There was no ‘bullying’ of Wayne; so people trying to equate this story to stories of bullys impacting others are really stretching!
Also, Wayne had plenty of time to rethink his intended actions–during his bike ride, during the first mistaken girl, during his approach to the victim. Plenty of time for this attempted murder to go from passionate emotional reaction to premeditated.
Just because, this punk was mad does not justify his attempt to murder Josie. Just because you have pissed someone off, doesn’t give you the right or justification to run up behind you and beat you to a bloody pulp. Nothing makes that okay. Your rights end at the end of your fingers–you have no right to touch another person without their consent (unless you are legally authorized!)
BTW, Jeremy, “Who are you, or I for that matter, or anyone to decide who or who doesn’t deserve to be raped?” is the stupidest statement I think I have every read!!! Let me make this simple for you: NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED! NO ONE!!! Rape in any and all forms is criminal; rape is a violent act against someone and is absolutely wrong. That is a basic human right–is it violated? yes. Is it ALWAYS wrong? YES, JACKASS. IT IS ALWAYS WRONG!!! (I can’t believe I am having to explain this to anyone. I can see why vcbecky responded with such vehemence towards you.)
Hey Max, can we add jeremy to the poll? No one deserves to be raped, but ol’ Jer-dog and his assinine opinions deserve to fry right next to the idiotic miscreant who is the subject of this story.
i think she deserved it
lol
Quiet, troll-boy
Max I think you should start making a list of these absolutely fantastic put-downs like
“Grow a fucking skin and act like a human being, or move to a jungle somewhere and act like you want to..”
“I wouldn’t piss down his throat if his guts were on fire”, and
“So that means you’re either immature, crazy, stupid or a combination of the three. My gut feeling is stupid….”
and the nicknames like troll-boy.
Makes for a nice giggle-fest. This is the best I’ve felt all day in spite of the nasty human nature in the story above. :-)
I think you deserve to have your penis gnawed off by rats.
I know I’m not supposed to feed the trolls but sometimes….sometimes I just cannot help myself.
You’re not feeding the trolls, so much as starving the rats… ;)
LMAO!
Yes, and so does Kayla
Hmmm, just looking over the pictures again.
Yep, Josie was definitely the prettier of the two (like that’s up for debate — NOT). Guess it’s no stretch to see why Kayla wanted her POS boyfriend to beat on the correct girl. See, now Kayla doesn’t have to worry about Josie being better looking (and obviously smarter) than her anymore, does she? Sort of she didn’t have to dirty her hands by doing what she really wanted to do, which was mess Josie up, both physically and intellectually. She had her dickhead do it and Josie will never be pretty or smart again.
Except that Karma is a bitch. She’s triplets on ritalin when she comes a’calling. I’m old enough to know that the universe has a lot of surprises in store for Kayla, and the really great part is that she will never ever understand why things don’t work out the way she wants them to. She may have destroyed Josie’s appearance and her current intellectual ability to comprehend and deal with the world, but Josie has love being sent to her. She will get better and the brain will heal itself. There are things that we as humans, can survive and repair from. Medical doctors are loathe to admit it, but there are people today who have come back from serious brain trauma to be as well as before, and in some cases, better.
Think I’m shitting you? Do a Google search and see for yourself. In case after case, each doctor says, “This patient is one in a million.” and after about twenty or so of these stories, you’ll realize that the brain is pretty resilient.
Josie will heal and hopefully her loved ones will screen her next “best” friend with a little more of a jaded eye.
Kayla, on the other hand, has invited quite a bit of negative energy into her sphere. She may look complete and she may appear now to be better looking than Kayla, but she is just bits and pieces of narcissism masquerading as a human being. She will reap what she has sown threefold.
While usually I would agree that someone like this deserved hell, I don’t think I can here.
I find myself torn. Part of me thinks he’s just a monster who deserves a swift and severe punishment, but the other part of me thinks he’s a lost boy who needs help. I’m guessing from his actions that his mother isn’t a very present fixture in his life. He lost his father and his brother…and apparently he lost his way as well.
Yes, he does deserve punishment but, more than that, he needs help. My heart aches for Josie but, I really hope that this boy can be rehabilitated somehow.
I know that my statement is going to be met by a ton of opposition but, it’s the way I feel. I lost my father and my brother as a teen, and I know what it can do to a young mind that isn’t equipped to process the emotions that accompany such devastating loss. While I never acted out in this way, there were many days that I could have. Luckily for me, my mother saw what was happening and she sought help. This boy obviously was never afforded that opportunity and to me, that is tragic in and of itself. I am however, in no way shape or form, condoning his actions. What he did was terrible and unthinkable, and there must be consequences.
Sorry, I don’t think so. The most disparaging thing about his mother that I found was that she had a criminal record, but it didn’t say for what. His mother and stepfather appeared on the Today show to apologize for his actions, and to tell everybody it was out of character for him and they think he just snapped under the pressure of everything on his plate. When cops searched his room, they found a “will” written by Treacy. The kid is pleading not guilty. If he was lost and confused, it’s very likely at this point he would have shown some remorse. He’s cold as ice and couldn’t care less. Sounds like a monster to me.
I see what your saying Diana..and I’m glad you put it out there:)…I been lurking around a lot here lately cause I’m not a huge fan in what this board is becoming *but ill keep that to myself*. My thoughts are, going by the interview his mom and stepdad did and their actions there I would bet that they didn’t do a whole lot to make sure he was taken care of emotionally after finding his father figure hanging from a tree less than six months prior to this. No he isn’t an angel and yes he was wrong for what he did but I haven’t been able to bring myself to say lock him away and throw away the key. Lock him up but at least make sure the boy gets some kind of help cause with the way our fucked up ass justice system there is no way he’s gonna spend his life behind bars. So it would benefit society if he at least got some kind of rehabilitation and not come out a hardened criminal. I have to say IMO the blame is 50/50 between him and his parents. I am glad Josie seems to be pulling through this. I was afraid she wouldn’t make it for a while and every update scared me. I hope the best for her and she needs to be more careful of her friends are cause that little Manson bitch was wrong for not tryin to defuse the situation. *now I’m going back into the shadows :)*
Same problem I’m having Diana. If he was a grown man, I’d advocate all kinds of terrible punishments. He’s still a child though, and this is coming from someone who abhors teenage boys. Can children be evil? Absolutely. Should we at least TRY to guide them and help them to have all opportunities to be normal, healthy, independent adults? Absolutely. I joke with my best friend that all kids are crazy and it’s up to us as parents to teach them to be sane and “normal”. To an extent I believe that though. Kids are lawless, and while I feel that they can know what is right from wrong inherently, they like adults will often to the wrong thing, except for different reasons. I think that even when kids must be locked away, even if they get a very long sentence for a serious offense and justifiably, we should still make efforts to get them the help they need to grow and not reoffend. Or even not to be angry, hateful, hurt, and scared inside on a daily basis. I could be judging this kid wrong. He could have just been waiting to snap, and this was his opportunity and he took it and ran with it. My “mommy gut” (lol) is telling me that something else is up though. If he was my kid, I still wouldn’t be advocating a slap on the wrist, but I wouldn’t want him to burn in hell either.
God love you guys here on PYSIH, I feel like I home when I visit.
My kin has a fantastic way of destroying all morons who enter and start their killer supporter shit.
Love you guys seriously.
Jeremy is probably just a little girl who’s fallen ‘Luv’ and is standing by her man no matter how much of a pathetic loser she comes across.
I get the image of Squiggly (Lavern and Shirley) in horrible drag, or his really fugly sister, waltzing in the door saying “Hello” except not even _one Wolf (Lenny) won’t come with in a 6 ft radius of her…it.
Thanks Smith. I feel the same way about this site. That’s why I do the editor’s duties here for free, and have for the past year and a half. I don’t know what I’d do with myself if I didn’t have this place to keep me busy. I’ve been on disability because of a bum heart for over 10 years now, and this has become the equivalent of my job, without all the bullshit. It’s a real labor of love.
And I can’t tell you how many friends I’ve made here. There are a lot of great people who come here on a regular basis. I think people who are interested in this kind of website are hypersensitive to the sufferings of others, and we need to share that with each other or it eats us up from the inside. At least, it’s that way for me.
LOL at the images of Squiggy and Wolf! Guess that really dates me, eh?
Yes, Max, I know *exactly* what you mean. I’ve been on disability for 10 years now too, and if I didn’t have my connection to the information highway, then I think I’d wither away. I still count myself as lucky to have come across this site of like-minded people who share my reaction at the galling stories of what human beings are capable of.
What I have noticed, unfortunately, is a propensity of ass-hats to insert themselves as being “holier than thou” and intellectually disdainful of others.
Know what you get when you educate an idiot?
AN EDUCATED IDIOT.
The very old joke makes the point that idiocy can be genetic or environmentally based, but it doesn’t go away with education (or book-learnin’ as my goober side would say).
I think that the very real passion behind the grief/shock/anger of the people who comment jar those who are not in touch with their own inner raw “human-ness” — they like to think that they are so above the common fray that they can look down their noses at others who give voice to the feelings we (as normal humans) feel.
As the man says, I feel like I’m home.
matthewrmt says: “Nobody deserves to get raped”
This from the forum that they wish multiple rapes on anyone who goes to prison.
Two wrongs don’t make a right this forum is a nasty red neck backwater imo.
There’s big difference between angry people venting their frustrations by wishing some scumbag to suffer the same pain that he forced his victim to endure, and some asshole’s idea that if a woman dresses provocatively or acts a little to sexy then she’s asking to be raped.
If you cant see that, and think the two are the same then you’re a fool. Sometimes people read the stories here and say things they don’t really mean out of anger. That’s one of the things we do here, give people a place to express themselves about the creeps we feature here without fear of being judged. If that makes us all rednecks then I’ll wear the name proudly.
I couldn’t agree with AndrewD more. He strikes a very valid and real point about the biased views and comments of most of this sites regulars.
Most of the stories on this site make me sick. The lows that humankind stoop to for their own vile imaginations is unspeakably evil. I wish torture, death, rape, beating, unimaginable mental anguish on almost all of these individuals.
And the quote is something like I don’t agree with what you have to say but I’ll defend your right to say it.
If you had just made the comment as you did in your second paragraph, then I doubt anyone would have decided you were a pompous ass-hat with serious ego issues regarding his intellectual abilities.
You are entitled to your opinions; afterall, they are something unique and truly yours.
BUT I don’t think you (or anyone else) has the right to judge anyone that comments here in terms of making labels and broad criticisms (red-neck, etc) because they don’t fall in line with your view of the world.
And am I surprised you agree with Andrew? No, trolls form brigades don’t they?
If this was your site, then you would be in the position to issue your edicts about decorum and form, but you aren’t. Don’t like the expression of your fellow humans? Click on by, and don’t let the web-gate hit your ass on the way out.
Don’t worry, we’ll struggle on without your sanctimonious preaching.
No, really. We will.
Oh, BTW, you are pretty quick to label people yourself, so don’t be surprised or aghast if you find that someone like Max or Jason hands you your ass on a platter.
I get a sense from your 6th paragraph, along with other commentators’ remarks, that you and the frequent posters of this site have a set way of responding to stories, a broad commonality in viewpoints, and you would like to keep it as close-knit of a circle as possible. Heaven forbid this site be treated like an open forum for opinions.
So getting a lot of hits is great for a website and all, and the good message that this site spreads is important, but if an alien poster decides to put in his 2 cents and mess up our perfect world and besmirch our comments section with a slightly unusual viewpoint, which is explained and held up with the utmost maturity, they must be driven away.
No thank you. I love reading the stories on this unique site and I will continue to stand by my beliefs. I will continue to wish I had 30 minutes alone with the putrescent garbage called “criminals” in these stories. I hate the crimes posted on this site, and I will continue to pray for the victims.
If this was a closed close-knit community with cliquey ways, then I wouldn’t be here. I am the all-time outsider and can honestly say that while I had friends in high school, I couldn’t tell you any of their names today as they weren’t “real” friends, if you get the gist. I just couldn’t spare the time to be whatever was required to be in a particular clique. Still lazy that way, I guess.
So yeah, this site rocks. It’s totally cool and unique on the web, and there are a lot of crime boards and forums.
And no, I doubt anyone rocks the boat with an alien comment. But I do think that sometimes we are all guilty of clicking on the SEND button a little too quickly and what they hear in their heads as they are typing isn’t what always ends up on the screen, as in the whole rape thing which spiralled into a life form of its own. :-)
But I think you have to admit that the “flaming” is pretty tame — actually, I wouldn’t even qualify it as flaming. There have been sites I’ve seen that are positively RUDE and vile, and the comments have been such that they are actually more upsetting that the stories themselves.
This site is awesome, not only for the quality of writing, but for the caring people that read and comment on the stories.
I think that you’re probably more like-minded than you originally admitted. I think all of us would like to stream-line the contributors to the world’s gene pool.
Too bad there isn’t a real button to vote on, and not just for hell. I’d like some of our nation’s laws to be reflective of how people feel. I would like (heck, I’d like to be a millionaire) — no, really, I’d like to see some sort of referendum on criminal issues before laws were drafted and enacted so that the people could feel like their opinions mattered. As this site illustrates, it is more than just a handful of people that are fed up with these kind of actions. There’s a power here. I just wish I could figure a way to harness it and use it for good. LOL!!
That said, it’s a damn good place for cathartic release.
Budgiegirl – The quote is by Voltaire, the 18th century French Philosopher. It actually goes:
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
It’s one of my favorites.
Thanks for the reference Max. One of my favourites too.
Another one that frequently comes to mind when I read some of these stories is along the lines of, all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for the apathy/complacency of good people.
I get these great quotes in my head and I can never remember who said what, but I know it wasn’t me (originally). LOL.
Budgiegirl, have you heard about the Millgram Experiment?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
It shows how people can do evil things, like in Nazis Germany. Evil exists because of people ignore and become silent.
Silence=Acceptance.
Are you blind as well as ignorant to reality? Go watch CNN and get yer daily opinion filled.
Yes, AndrewD, I did write that and I fully stand behind what I wrote. Let me point out that there is no where on this site that I have recommended rape occur to anyone. So piss off.
That said, I think I have a much better grasp of crime than you or Jeremy–having spent several years working as a psychologist with murderers, rapists, and molesters who have been released from prison or avoided prison thru programs I have worked with. I actually believe that since some of these perps are going to be amongst us, they should get the opportunity for therapy. But, I also have seen some who’s behavior was so egregious that I believe they deserved to be removed from society. Many of the people spotlighted on this website deserve to be removed permanently from our society for they appear to have lost any shred of moral compass–not that everyone’s morals must be identical; but, there is a need to have a basic level of compassion. Otherwise, we are dealing with a sociopath.
So believe me when I say, I have heard every variation of ‘she caused it to happen to herself’ from every type of perp. And, not once has it every truly been the root cause of the criminal action–NOT ONCE! It has been the excuse given by almost every one of the perps I have worked with.
So, I understand the ‘argument’ you and Jeremy are trying to put out there. I happen to believe that both of you are enjoying the smug feeling of superiority that many of these perps have felt over the ‘less intelligent masses’ that led to murder/rape/molestation/torture/etc.
I also totally get the reason many posters on this board write that these criminals deserve to be raped. It isn’t a double standard at all. It is a desire for the perp to experience a level of victimization and thus understand the horror they have enacted on their victim.
If you want to debate/converse/express alternative view points, you are always welcomed to here. Making ridiculous statements like Jeremy: In your opinion, has noone in the history ever deserved or asked for a beating, a rape, any time of mistreatment? How shallow-minded and media-controlled the readers of these articles can be. Isn’t the way to do it.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
(FYI, I no longer do that type of work.)
Reading your comment reminded me of Dr. Robert Hare’s memory of one of the first psychopaths he encountered in his work in Canada’s prison system. The man was a classic he said. Later on, he caught the guy telling people that he had assisted Dr. Hare in his studies (practically ran the study for Dr. Hare the way the psychopath told the story). And when Dr. Hare called him on it, the guy smoothed right over the whole thing. It irritated the hell out of Dr. Hare that the guy lied so glibly. He said they will lie for the sake of lying, care for no one but themselves, seek their own goals even if it harms others, change allies when it is advantageous to do so, and so on.
He said that the scary thing to think about was that only about 10% of psychopaths were in prison; the rest of the estimated 330,000 in Canada were out and in society: they are the doctors, the nurses, the teachers, the corporate presidents, the CEOs, the office manager, they are everywhere.
What I thought was remarkable about the interview with Dr. Hare was the fact that he seemed to be almost disgusted with describing the psychopath. He’s been doing it for close to or over 30 years — I don’t know how he kept his cool as I’d have lost it years ago.
Max The Cat says: “That’s one of the things we do here, give people a place to express themselves about the creeps we feature here without fear of being judged.”
Andrew: The site is very judgemental with no mercy on the criminals featured or recognition of mitigating circunmstances in their lives.
If you want to rant about people then be prepared to be ranted about. It’s not a solution to the dreadfull crime problem inflicting America.
There is a saying “Love the sinner hate the sin” and “Judge not lest ye be Judged” . There is a voyeuristic element of this site. Hundreds of gruesome crimes displayed in technicolour for people to Gawk at.
I would like to see a violence free world but expressing sentiments like “Burn them” “Rot in hell” is not possibly leading in that direction.
Most people will come to this site as a source of entertainment methinks! Anyhow tackling the CAUSES if crime is the best solution stop offending by making a stabler less greedy society.
but if it makes you feel better to wish people to be tortured and fried..hmm
There is not 1 criminal on this site that I feel deserves ANY “mercy” from me.
“Don’t hate the player, hate the game” lol… and you think because we click yes to send them to hell, that it has any effect on them going to hell? I sure hope so LOL! Who cares what we do, if you don’t like it… don’t click on it?
What??? Wait a minute! April, are you saying that they aren’t going to hell by the totality of our vote???
Damn. And here I thought I WAS making the world a less violent place with the click of my mouse.
I feel a lot of sympathy for Levi Johnston.
You’re absolutely right andrew, we have no mercy for rapists, murderers, child molesters, and baby killers. We rarely buy into the ready made excuses that defense lawyers try to use to get their clients off, mainly because of some of the regulars on this site who have gone through the same types of things and worse in their lives and turned out to be better people than I am.
You see andrew, some people take adversity and use it to make them better people, some people let it beat them down and ruin their lives, and a very few honestly are so affected by it they lose their minds. But only the select few use it as an excuse to act any kind of fool, including the kind of fool that commits premeditated attempted murder over words a LCD screen.
I don’t give a shit what you think of me, or this website. I know you’re wrong; I’m comfortable in who I am and know my motivations are pure. There’s always going to be some genius like you who thinks he knows us and wants to give us a 25 cent psychoanalysis. It’s goes along with the territory. Yous is no better than the last one, and just as worthless.
It’s okay, better men than you haven’t gotten the point on the first pass either.
If you will for a second, consider the Gospel of Luke, chapter 10, verses 25-37. You don’t have to be Christian to get the basics here, this is an example of a parable, specifically the parable of the Good Samaritan. A parable is a small story, often seated in fact but used to relate a lesson through its details. You can tell a child that rape and murder are wrong, that drinking to excess and driving while intoxicated can ruin their life, but often times its the parable that reinforces that message.
In largely un-Christian terms, in the context of an almost Tales from the Crypt style of infotainment, you get a modern day parable, complete with opinionated lesson that includes a commentary component. On those rare occasions when the victims of these crimes come here, the responses are overwhelmingly positive and rewarding. This little exercise of discussing the relevance of modern day tragedies is older than the written word, merely adapted to a modern form, and part of the human experience. It covers norms, mores and the conveyance vehicles of shared grief, outrage and the discussion of mob versus individual mentalities. It lets the mob sort this out without resorting to a torchlight trial of the accused followed by a lynching. It is instead a lynching in effigy. A short fuse and controlled detonation of rage that lets the smaller fire prevent the larger firestorm. It codifies the daily news story and the relevant details of the cases themselves into something more portable for the long years of a lifetime than the byline of a newspaper article and in the end serves a community to help get from day A to day B with a large collection of shared experience.
It’s okay, you can buy a coffee mug as an apology to Max and Admin.
I hate most teenagers, and I still am one. My upbringing hasn’t been horrible, not exactly the type someone would pick if they had a chance, but not bad. There’s been many a girl that’s picked on me, and one that said down right awful things to me about a relative of mine that passed, yet I didn’t lace up my boots and try to kill her. Huh, how curious. 15 is plenty old to know that stomping on someones head is going to cause some major damage, and the saddest part about it is that he had a 3 mile bike ride to realize what a horrid choice he was making. 3 miles to calm down and see the horrid consequences for all involved. That said, it seems like common sense and self control are more like super powers than character traits.
Doe, it’s people like you who give me hope for the future. If it wasn’t for people like you, I’d have thrown my hands in the air and retreated to a remote cave many years ago.
Stay strong, and know that as you get older, more people start to think logically like you do. Yeah, there are still going to be asshats everywhere you go, but there will be fewer of them. ;)
——-The mother of Wayne Treacy, teen accused of this beating of Josie Ratley, Donna Powers, appeared on the “Today Show” today (Monday), along with Treacy’s stepfather, Carey Smith and their lawyer. Donna Powers said they wanted to get their side of the story out.
Wayne Treacy suffered a devastating loss last year when his brother committed suicide and Wayne found him hanging in a tree, according to his mother. This was compounded by the loss of another friend during the same time period. Although this is not an excuse for the savage beating of Josie Ratley, it gives some background as to what Wayne Treacy had been going through emotionally over the past six months.
Matt Lauer asked Wayne Treacy’s mother if she believed that he just snapped on that horrific day of March 17th. Her response was, “I believe so,” Powers said. “That’s not Wayne’s nature, he’s not a bully.”
Donna Powers believes that Josie Ratley must have said something very derogatory about his brother’s death that set him off. Again, this is not an excuse for his behavior and nearly killing Josie Ratley, this is his family sharing their beliefs.——-
Actually, they ARE minimizing the attack by trying to offer their side to mitigate Wayne’s culpability. It is not ‘just sharing their beliefs.” So, in some ways, it IS being offered as an excuse and pointing out Josie’s behavior (“must have said something very derogatory”) as causing her own attack.
I understand that his family is suffering and grieving, too. I understand that they are going to want to minimize Wayne’s actions–they have to to try and make sense of what he did–but, let’s keep it real and recognize what they are doing.
Again, I don’t blame them. It is completely expected and understandable. One of the ways victims try to maintain the illusion of control over their world is thru rationalization. They are trying to rationalize Wayne’s behavior.
Waynes mother should have gotten him help at least 6 months ago. I understand she’s hurting and she’s a victim of this crime also. But she must share some of the blame for what Wayne did, in light of his history.
You know a lot of people have been through much worse. I am sorry that he had such a terrible child hood, but it is no reason or excuse for what he did. He needs to pay for what he’s done, and thank goodness she lived- on both of their part (as messed up as that sounds). You are doing what a defense lawyer is doing, and that is probably going to be one of their defenses in court.
What do you think the right punishment should be?
I’m curious. Who has Wayne’s and Josie’s phones? It would be interesting to know exactly what she texted to him to him. It wouldn’t change my opinion of him, but it would allow me to nail down what kind of a kid Josie really is. All were getting right now is a very filtered version of her (for good reason, she’s been through hell).
I think Wayne Treacy should be held for at least 10 years without freedom. He and his family should never be allowed to have any form of contact with Josie’s family again.
More importantly, I think we as a society have a burden to rehabilitate this individual, not just lock him up and feed him 3 hots a day. He is in dire need of mental, psychological, and emotional rehab and must be made into an individual who will never commit such an act again. He CAN be a productive member of society one day.
If this were not the case, why not simply execute him now? He is just a waste of space and taxpayers’ money if we lock him up and do NOTHING to try and prevent him from future violence.
Jeremy, I really do understand your point of view. Well, except for your views about rape and on that we should agree to disagree I suppose. This site is a place where people of widely varying views find common ground. Let’s just focus on that, ok? Your views are presented intelligently, and I would like to see you continue to post. We don’t always have to agree, that’s what makes for interesting and fruitful discussions.
Wayne is 15. He’s a traumatized person, he’s mid-pubescent, and it seems his mother hasn’t gotten him any help when it’s obvious he needs it. If a 15 year old finds his brother hanging from a tree, of COURSE he needs therapy after that. I understand it would take little to send such a person over the edge, especially with no one there to hold you back.
Having been one of those traumatized youths myself, I understand his mentality to a degree many others do not. He is apathetic. He is without emotion except for anger, because his anger is so huge it overwhelms all else including reason. All of this is a defense mechanism. He’s building a shell made of “I don’t care” and “Fuck the world” as a survival reflex.
Some crimes are so huge, they cannot be forgiven no matter the circumstances. Plenty of people are damaged much more than he is, and they’re not out kicking someones head because of a text message. He probably suffers from a form of PTSD but I bet it’s much more than that. He’s got mental problems that go beyond that trauma, and might have been a criminal even without his history. Sometimes it is genetic and there’s not a lot that can be done.
If he were to show remorse, I might have a bit more compassion. If he were not so much like Jordan Brown in that way, it might be different. Until he feels remorse, until he is capable of some real emotion apart from rage, he will not get better. He will only get worse. Some people are broken beyond repair.
If she had died, you’re damn right it would have been different. I get a feeling there are times when she’s conscious and she wishes she had died. I hope she recovers and is able to have something of a normal life. You never know – the human brain is amazing.
Wayne Treacy needs an institution, the way Jordan Brown does. I have no hope either of them will ever be fit to re-enter society and be productive people. My lack of hope does not matter in the long run and really I do not care about them either way, so long as they do not hurt another person ever again.
Well… shitballs. 2nd paragraph, ‘Jeremy is 15″ should read “Wayne is 15.” I am le tired.
who’s your buddy? who’s your pal? who loves you?
that’s right, I do.
-editor
Awww, thanks Max! *MUAH*!
Oh that’s a SWELL idea, let’s put this fucktard with obvious anger issues back out into the world when he’s 25 years old. That wont blow up in anybody’s face or anything.
I think 10 years would be a fair sentence, however I do agree that he needs some sort of help. I think anger management for starters, as well as him needing help to deal with what he’s been handed in life. I don’t know if it is “too late” for him myself though. If he’s thrown in jail without any kind of help he will most likely end up worse when he’s eventually let out. I do have faith since he is so young, he will get some sort of help.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: relatives/friends/whatevers of a criminal will invariably find themselves under scrutiny, either by others or at the very least, by themselves.
As a result, they engage in a very human game. They will say things like: He’s not bad, he’s just misunderstood. He’s not bad, he’s just had a hard time. He’s not bad, she brought it on herself.
Many people tie their self worth up in those around them. If your husband, brother, friend, is exposed as a murderer, then what does this say about you? Are you so stupid that you couldn’t see what he was? Or are you so evil that you are just like him? Or are you such a piss-poor judge of character that you didn’t see what is obvious?
These are the types of questions that go running around a person’s head when they get a soul-jarring revelation to deal with. Uncomfortable with any sort of self-examination, most people rush to defend the criminal and thereby deflect the need to defend oneself. If they can prove the criminal not guilty or less culpable, then they save their self-image. This is why you often see those around a criminal making such ludicrous statements, providing justifications where there are none, and so on.
What these people need to understand is that society isn’t putting them on trial. They are also victims: victims of the criminal in that they have also been deceived, duped, mislead, lied to, whatever. If the criminal really was caring and considerate, then he/she would not have committed the crime: he/she would not have wanted to involve their loved ones and supporters into what would be the results of one person’s selfish actions.
Again, as it has been said, don’t lose sight of the fact that this family IS trying to ascribe the blame to the victim. Too often we don’t call people on this type of behaviour, and we should. They should be told that it is okay to be pissed off with the criminal and it’s okay to acknowledge that you missed the signals or dismissed them. You aren’t on trial, the criminal is. That said, don’t make things worse by trying to explain it away.
Ultimately, we are all in charge of our own decisions. I choose to act in whatever way I do because it is my choice, not because someone made me feel angry and I acted in violence. That would make me no better than a robot, totally driven by someone else’s programming.
Somewhere along the road, we stopped making people accountable for their actions. We started looking for reasons as explanations in the belief that if we could answer the question “WHY” then we would be able to deal with our losses easier. The problem is that there never is a good reason, and quite often, the answer as to WHY is merely, “Because I wanted to”
I want to address the accusations by certain people that this website is less than open minded.
It’s been thrown out there that whenever someone has an opinion contrary to, well, mine, that we as a group gang up on them and basically flame them until we drive them out of the group. In a way, that is true. If someone comes here spouting accusations against law enforcement or the prosecution in defense of one of our featured players (usually their family member or loved one), and they don’t have a shred of proof to back it up, there are in for a very hard time from some of us. This is especially true if they are rude and insulting, or attack the victim and the victim’s family.
The bottom line is anyone is allowed to post any opinion they like, as long as they show respect to the victim and their family and take their feelings into consideration. Feel free to disagree with the story, but if you attack it like an angry dog, expect to be bit back. If you don’t like what we do here, say so. I find that most people don’t have any idea what we are really about and welcome a chance to tell people just that.
Do you think I’m full of shit? Take a look around the web at all the controversial blogs out there. I can count on one hand the sites that don’t moderate their comments before they appear in the forums. We are one of them. We don’t hand pick the comments which show us in the best light. Here, what you see is what you get. It takes a very extreme case for me to exercise my banning powers. I can count those one TWO hands, and I always give an explanation when I do.
I think we run a very transparent operation here, but I also know you can’t please everyone. I have no intention of changing anything, and I hope the rest of you stick to your guns too. We do much good work her at PYSIH, and we have nothing at all to be ashamed of. I never have been, and I never will be, because I always follow my conscience.
I forgot something. One thing I do not tolerate is racism in any form. If you just use the “N” word, you get one warning. If you post a hate filled, recycled pile of racist bullshit, you will get banned, no explanation, no mention of your post. It’ll be like you never even posted. The same goes for homophobic and anti-Semitic comments. I have no patience at all with that sort of thing, in fact, I absolutely despise it – If that makes me a lousy moderator and editor, well fuck it, fire me.
Amen
Like I said above, Max, this is not a closed clique, but a well-run community of concerned people that happen to have a lot of common feelings. There are plenty of regulars who disagree often, so it isn’t like this is the Stepford PYSIH’ers. :-)
As you said, when people drop by to take a squat on the writing, the victims, or the commenters here, then expect what you get. Forewarned is forearmed (I know, “But who wants four arms?”)
This is the best site I’ve seen covering the scum stories and the commentary is reasoned and I can stand to read the comments without stroking out. Can’t say that about some of the other forums I’ve come across. Makes you long to have a big DELETE button.
Well said, Max!
I know you to be extremely accepting of alternative opinions. What people don’t seem to understand is the ‘how’ of communication is as important as the ‘what.’
I think you are an amazingly rational, thoughtful moderator and you do a damn good job! Kudos!
How is this place any where closed minded? If they come here defending scum like this freak, expect to get whacked and curb stomped for it. Also, it does not reflect well on their part.
I have heard of this case. Really messed up. Wayne Treacy is messed up. Sounds a case of overreaction, ala Lori Drew or Gertrude Baniszewski, minus the fact the victim lived.
I wonder if Kayla Manson is related to Charles Manson by any chance. They share the same last name. Evil must run in some people.
Police did a search on Treacy’s house.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-04-23/news/fl-treacy-search-warrant-20100423_1_search-warrant-computer-equipment-deerfield-beach-middle-school
Honestly I scroll down this page and see the picture of that poor girl with half of her head swollen and purple and wonder if there are any words that she could have uttered that would justify that. I try to think of something anybody could say to me that would drive me to do this to someone. Nothing comes to mind. I simply can’t fathom the connection. I don’t think that makes me “far right”, “homophobic”, “close minded”, or even an O’reilly supporter. I’m the polar opposite of all of these things. I think it’s more close minded and even simple minded to think harsh words lead to violent retaliation, low cut shirts lead to rape, etc.
Wayne very obviously has issues, and I feel like I can say that coming from a strikingly similar background. To say that anybody would come out of his past WITHOUT issues is just ignorant. But having been there, and having my own issues from it, I feel that if I did what Wayne did – my past or issues shouldn’t be on the table. There is no excuse.
He’s pleading not guilty. He’s showing NO remorse for what he did. He planned what he was going to do, spoke of it to other people, and after the fact sent a nonchalant “lulz may have killt sum1 prbly gng 2 jail kthxbye” message to friends. If he’s so “lost” he would have shown SOMETHING by now.
But he’s not. Josie pissed him off, and he made her pay for it. He did what he set out to do. Why should he feel bad? She’ll never talk shit again.
Look at his fucking face. It’s chilling how cold and pissed he looks, after a month. A MONTH of her suffering. A month with no remorse or apology whatsoever. Tell me that’s just the face of some lost little tween who’s daddy wasn’t there who can be rehabilitated and become a fine upstanding young man.
I don’t think Treacy just snapped. I posted a link that police found a “will” at Treacy’s residence.
I can think of a single thing that might make an insane individual stomp the hell out of a girl like that over a text message: Text reads “I have a billion dollars and a terminal brain tumor. I will sign my estate over to you if you will kick my face in and render me nearly brain-dead so my organs can be harvested safely and used for others.” Even then I wouldn’t be able to do it.
It is his lack of remorse that gets me. If he had ‘just snapped’, he would have un-snapped by now and he’d be feeling terrible about what he did. Instead, he seems to still be alright with it, again the way Jordan Brown seems alright with what he did.
If he sees no wrong with what he did, he can’t be trusted around any other people. He should be put away for life, and studied to see what makes him tick so he can be of some use to society.
I could not picture snapping like this in any rational-minded individual. They would have to be mentally incapacitated in some form.
That said, I believe I could be driven to stomp someone’s head in, but it would be premeditated. If someone hurt, killed, kidnapped, or abused one of my family members, and law enforcement somehow allowed them to go free, or if I was given the go ahead to have my way with them, I could see myself stomping their head in.
But not if a 13-year old girl made fun of a dead relative. A normal 15-year old’s response would be to throw a rock through her window or plant something in her locker and get the entire school to call her a slut.
Oh yes, Jeremy. If someone deliberately hurt a person I love and the system did nothing to them for it, I’d be hard pressed to keep myself from taking matters into my own hands. I’ve never been a vigilante, but if the system failed me that badly I would have no hesitation about it.
Christ. What his did to that girl is even worse than death.
Look at the photo of this poor girl and tell me this douche bag doesn’t deserve life.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/crime/fl-deerfield-girl-injuries-pg,0,3673946.photogallery
poor girl :( picture #8 is very bad.
That bitch deserved what happened to her, that poor boy was in a delicate state of mind and still she sent him that awful text message. Hope she rotts in hell and never be able to find someone who loves her ugly face…
Well, I’m in a delicate state of mind after reading the awful things that boy did to her and seeing the gruesome pictures. Do you deserve my 9 & 1/2 extra wide steel toe boot upside your head and firmly implanted in your cavernous asshole?
You’re a PECKER HEAD. In case you need the definition of that it means, penis for brains with no social skills, someone who has not quite yet made the honor of being a fully fledged dick head, a person with douche like qualities such as someone with an obnoxious attitude, someone with the head of dick, well you should get the point. You should really be proud.
Obvious trolling, but you’re bad at it :/
and she didn’t deserve to get beat that bad over a freakin text! grow the hell up, and i’m sure you will join Treacy in hell one day.
I read this site quite often and I usually side with a lot of you on feelings of hatred and wanting justice served.. but this entire story bothers the hell out of me. I am in no shape or form saying it’s RIGHT what he did to her, because it’s fucking not.. but that girl instigated the entire thing. If you are going to run your mouth about someone that you don’t know, family’s member who commited suicide.. then you should be prepared to have someone be pretty upset by it. They didn’t know each other on a personal level and she says something that obviously makes him upset.. and I think it’s a bit far to run your mouth about someones suicide to someone who was close to them. Obviously she doesn’t think about what spews out of her mouth, and that she says what she wants to be ignorant, or whatever else. This wasn’t her first time doing it but maybe it will be her last. He doesn’t deserve life, he could have remorse, but I agree.. even remorse doesn’t condone what he has done. I understand that. It’s just going from my own personal experience with my sister taking her own life, and having people run their mouth about her.. it really makes you more than beyond angry. You can snap and make horrible choices. He obviously did, and I hope he regrets what he’s done. He has feelings, that’s obvious in his reaction to the girl. His girlfriend shouldn’t be written off, she deserves a punishment, as well. Life is a bit much considering the circumstances. :| I know when people would run their mouth about my sister I was pretty sure I could kill someone with the amount of anger and utter SHOCK at what people would say about someone fucking dead. This entire case is depressing. No one will “win” when it comes down to it. :( I hope she recovers as fast as possible and I hope he has remorse and can find a way to cope, and deal with his feelings of sadness, and obvious uncontrollable anger. Just really bothered me how everyone is talking about how he looks and how he should get life and she’s just this innocent girl in the hospital. She ran her mouth.. she shouldn’t of.. end of story. And he shouldn’t of gone this far.. but he was provoked and if your going to say something that fucked up expect someone to want to confront you about it! You guys are mostly adults you really can’t be staring at his picture depicting how much of a creeper he looks like and how he resembles Satan in human form over a court picture.. come on now. He almost took a girls life and is going to probably be paying for it the rest of his life, and he’s not even a “adult” yet…I’d look pretty fucked up too!
Celia,
I appreciate your concern and your response, but I need you to consider this from a different perspective.
Whether you’re upset about something or not is actually your problem. If someone commits a crime then it is the state’s problem. If someone tries to kill you, you can defend yourself, but trying to kill them because protected speech they uttered either to you or another person isn’t warranted. You can be angry. You can call them nasty names, but you can’t try to kill them. You can’t threaten to do it before hand and then go out and try to kill them. You can’t do it to a minor, you can’t do it in front of the bus, you can’t do it with green eggs and ham and you shouldn’t do it with a mouse. Seuss aside, you can be angry enough to throw a punch, but you have to take control of yourself and choose not to do it.
To the word “instigate,” I want to stress, that the way you’re using the word isn’t the correct usage or definition. If I’m in the middle of a mob and I yell “burn the witch!” and the mob moves forward and sets a girl on fire, I instigated the murder. If I say kill all white people and someone who heard me kills a white person, I instigated the crime. If I throw a rock through a windshield that sets off a riot, I instigated the riot. If I call Max’s mom fat and he punches me in the throat, I instigated and argument and Max instigated the fist fight that ensued. Wayne instigated the violence here, not the girl.
This isn’t one of those easy, cut and dried things. Wayne Treacy is a damaged kid who should have gotten help long ago. In no way was he capable of finding help for himself. His mother, a pastor, or someone else who was close to him should have helped him. That’s what family is for. That’s why people used to live together in caves. Together we are stronger. Sometimes we need help.
Now that he has committed an act that we can all trace back to his earlier trauma, what do we do? Wayne’s reaction to Josie’s words was completely out of the realm of reason. Someone who flies that far off the handle simply cannot be trusted with normal society.
Yes, Josie’s words must have been terrible, biting and cold. They must have hurt Wayne deeply, and the thought of losing someone else he cared about (his girlfriend) because someone else she cared about didn’t approve of him (his girlfriends best friend, Josie) when it seems there were so few people on his side in life, must have helped to send him over the edge. All of this I think we can acknowledge. I feel terrible for him apart from what he did. I’m not the only one.
He should have hunted Josie out and had a shouting match with her like any other normal teenager. You don’t shoot someone in the head and set their corpse on fire for winking at your sister. That’s how extremely out of touch his reaction was. He’s dangerous. He might always be dangerous. The safety of society must come first.
This. I agree with this. I have been through what he has, I know those feelings. It feels so bad you are sure that nothing will ever feel good again. But that’s no excuse to do what he did. He could have yelled, kicked, screamed, called her every name in the book, tp’d her house even. He took it way too far and there is no coming back from that.
In my life there has been much tragedy, I am a broken disordered person because of it. It causes me to say and do things I wish I hadn’t and could take back but things escalate and the control slips right between my fingers. But I take full responsibility for those actions, and I would never do this. Tragedy and heartache are not an excuse.
I agree she shouldn’t have said that, as obviously he shouldn’t have kicked her head in. It doesn’t matter, all of it- regardless he shouldn’t have kicked her head in. Now he must pay for his crimes (and she will too). I do not feel sorry for him in the least, i’ve lived a crazy crazy crazy life, that nobody can dream about- far worse then a sibling dying, and people have said some very cruel things about my family, but I don’t kick peoples heads in. There is no excuse, or way to make it ok except punishment and THEN treatment.
Oh, boohoo. His home life sucked. You know what? So do a hell of a lot of other people’s home lives. They don’t go around stomping people’s heads into the ground. Wah, he didn’t ha a father figure in his life. Guess what. A lot of other people don’t either. They don’t beat people within an inch of their lives. His brother committed suicide. It’s sad. I feel for him. A girl I went to school with, her brother committed suicide. She’s a doctor now, not a murderer.
You’re either a piece of shit, or you’re not.
Mitigating circumstances is just a lowlife defense attorney’s defense to try and get their waste of flesh client off the hook.
WE ALL HAVE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES. IT’S LIFE. DEAL WITH IT.
If you can’t, go to jail and leave those of us that can the hell alone.
I am SO SICK of hearing about the criminal’s “mitigating circumstances.” Grow a spine and deal already. FUCK!
I’m sorry, but people like him just piss me off.
“You’re either a piece of shit, or you’re not.”
Oh my. I may have to get this done as a tattoo. LOL!
Hey Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and Jeffrey Dahmer had good home lives and looked what they turned out to be.
WHAT.
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BRAT!!!
I was trying to write a comment a whle ago, but it never took.
Part of the problem I have is why didn’t any of the witnesses to any of his activity step in?
Zero tolerance policies have people becoming reporters or tattlers at best. Call the police and let them handle it……. Problem is first repondes arrive in minutes when seconds count. While in many cases the police and fire personnel do make a difference, a bigger, but less appreciated difference could be made by those close by… example…
One of my cars caught fire in my driveway…. I called the fire dept then I put the fire out. I called in case the fire got out of hand. Anyway the fire department came and verified the car as no longer posing a threat rather than saving 3 buildings…..
Wayne Treacy was clearly a disturbed boy. Sure many people have absent fathers and dead brothers and they don’t get violent. This Boy was so mentally damaged by his past he felt he had to do something to this MOUTHY girl. Some people are more affected by tragic events then others. No, he should not have nearly killed her but, she was not a saint innocent victim in this. She was calling this boy a rapist and telling him to visit his dead brother so she was mentally deranged also. It got out of hand on BOTH their parts. BOTH PARENTS/PARENT needed to teach these brats some ccommon respect for others. No was no excuse for this girl to be so nasty to him about a tragic event in his life. She mentally BEAT him by her statements, he beat her in turn……hopefully BOTH learned a lesson.
There’s this thing where normal people don’t verbally attack the victim of a violent act…. What’s it called again? Oh yeah! Common decency!
In my personal opinion this boy, at 15, is absolutely evil and for what he did to that girl deserves a whole lot more than life in prison. In fact, life imprison would be a severe case of injustice and an insult to the girl he nearly beat to death, this piece of garbage needs to be forever removed from society and from life itself. The prosecutors should go for the Death Penalty. I don’t care if the perp was 15 or 45…they do something like this then their life is the price they should pay. If it were up to me he wouldn’t get the easy way out like lethal injection..no, a very special method of execution would be in store for him. My method of choice would be the very one used in Salem centuries ago…burned at the stake. We could even broadcast it globally and put it after America’s Most Wanted and even sell commerical time for it with all money from the commericials going to help this demon’s victim. As for his “girlfriend”….as the Queen of Hearts said “Off with her head!”. Evil should be destroyed and those two are evil.
Obviously he needs to go to jail. Attempted murder never has a good reason. People need to be able to control their emotions and outbursts and not go around and do this, otherwise the world we live in would be complete Hell. At the same time, the victim is no saint herself. While I do not agree that making that remark about his brother deserves a beating that brought her within an inch of her life, you do not make an insult about a persons family member, ESPECIALLY if it is about a suicide. That is fucked up and does deserve a punishment. And to everyone who says that they hope he burns in hell, are you fucking barbarians? Is this Old Salem, or the Taliban’s Afghanistan? We are all only human after all. Does everyone not get a chance to repent and feel remorse for what they did? They do, and if they do not repent, then they do deserve to burn.
Well after watching CSI miami, the news came on and was talking about this case. They said Treacey was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, by a forensic psychologist.
and they also posted the text that was sent:
Josie Ratley: “Stop txtn mi phone rapest n if u don’t care just stop tryin me k. N just go visit your dead brother.
Here’s my opinion:
If Josie Lou Ratley used Wayne Treacy’s brother’s death as a verbal weapon to insult and humiliate him (which seems incredibly likely at this point), I’m glad she got the ever-living shit kicked out of her. What Wayne did was still wrong and completely illegal by any civilized standard, he shouldn’t have done it under any circumstances, and the beating was much too severe… but that doesn’t change the fact that she richly deserved a terrible punishment of some sort, from some source.
I wouldn’t torment my worst enemy over the death of their beloved relative, and anyone who does is a sadistic, sub-human piece of fetid shit-fungus, living garbage unworthy of respect or consideration. There are some lines you simply don’t cross, and profaning the death of a cherished relative is on the top of that list of uncrossable lines.
As such, she’ll not get any pity from me, and I’m not going to join in denouncing Wayne in the same manner PYSIH regulars do with all of the other criminals on this site (sorry Max, NavyCop, Harley, Becky). I believe Wayne deserves a stiff prison term, but perhaps ten years, maximum. There are PLENTY of mitigating circumstances here.
That’s not the “soft, new criminal system” either. In fact, my view is the old-fashioned one — grievously insult a family’s honor, and if they decide to kill you for it, chances are folks will look the other way.
Did you forget that we’re dealing with a thirteen year old girl who was brutally beaten, and would have died if Wayne Treacy hadn’t been stopped? Where’s the honor in kicking the shit out of a female and a child? In my book, they are the two untouchables. A man never, ever hits a woman or a child. Period. I guarantee that I would not be one of the people who would look the other way under the circumstances you describe.
Go back and rethink what you just submitted here – I’ll be happy to remove this comment if you request it.
I haven’t forgotten the girl’s tender age, but she’s clearly old enough to purposely injure someone with heinous, incredibly hurtful and rage-inducing insults. It’s because of her age that I believe the injuries were too severe; had she been an adult, I wouldn’t shed a tear if someone had killed her outright for disparaging a dead relative while the bereaved’s grief was still fresh. I’d still see him jailed over it, but wouldn’t completely condemn him for his actions.
No, I don’t believe gender in any way changes what she deserved. Men shouldn’t hit women, quite true, but frankly, women shouldn’t hit men, either; in fact, no one should hit anyone else, period, whether they’re smaller and weaker, or larger and stronger.
Hitting someone because you know they’re smaller and weaker than you are (which is almost always the case when men hit women) is especially despicable, yes. But this was not a barroom brawl, nor a wife beating, nor a punch delivered because one man told another man he fucked his mother.
I’ll point out that this boy (not a man) was barely older than the girl. If you wish to paint him as an adult and a bully, that is your prerogative. Would you feel differently about the case had she also been 15, or had he been 13? I ask you to examine your motives in search of bias. Perhaps he would have attempted the same beating on another boy his age, or even a full-grown man.
It is because of her age that I feel she was beaten too severely. It is because of HIS age that I feel he should be let off relatively lightly (10 years in prison and a felony conviction will still completely ruin his life, not exactly light by any means).
However, no matter what you think of my views regarding what she did or did not deserve, or my views of male-female chivalry (I won’t dislike you for violently disagreeing with my rather barbaric assessments; you’re entitled to your opinion), there can be no doubt that tormenting someone over a dead relative is wicked and despicable.
It’s a matter of degrees.
Did I punch you? I deserve to be arrested and/or punched.
Did I shoot you? I deserve to be arrested and/or shot.
Did I wrongfully insult you or a relative(living or dead)? I deserve to be insulted back and/or sued civilly.
Here’s what Wayne did wrong.
1. He planned murder
2. He invaded school property
3. He hunted the girl down
4. He tried to kill her
He turned a painfully barbed insult into a “reason” for attempted murder. That’s not a reasonable transformation. You can be glad that there was some sort of comeuppance, but that was a gross abuse of force and nothing short of lethal violence deserves lethal violence and often lethal violence doesn’t deserve lethal violence. Insulting a dead person is not actually a crime. Insulting the memory of a dead person isn’t a crime. What happened inside of Wayne is Wayne’s responsibility and those who care for and are Wayne’s guardians.
At no point have I attempted to excuse Wayne’s actions in any way. A civilized, balanced and fully sane individual does not attempt murder under any circumstances. Officers of the peace and soldiers are the obvious exceptions to this, providing they follow the law.
Nonetheless, there is a difference of degrees, also, between a pure adult predator who lies in wait in a park to beat a jogger within an inch of her (or his!) life, and a disturbed fifteen-year-old who receives an outrageous insult starring the recent death of his most beloved relative. That is rage-inducing provocation by any stretch of the imagination.
I believe that minor children — and Wayne is a minor child, in fact and by law — do deserve some measure of leniency where violent crimes are concerned, particularly if they were deliberately provoked by the victim.
As such, I don’t believe he deserves life imprisonment or the death penalty. He deserves a chance to live productively, tempered by a severe punishment.
It was fully wrong of him to attack her, but yes, you have the right of it: I’m glad she got her comeuppance. The real pity is that our legal system barely recognizes psychological violence at this stage of civilization, because I can say confidently that I’d much rather be punched in the nose by you than have you insult my freshly-passed-away father. Yet, the former carries a much stiffer punishment.
Wow, I wish I could communicate to you how wrong you really are. It’s just the kind of thinking you’re describing that has started blood feuds which destroyed families, and wars which have destroyed countries.
Does the word Jihad mean anything to you?
You say making fun of the death of a loved one is a mortal sin, to be punished in the most severe manner, no matter who the offender is. Well, let’s give you that. But wait, now the girl’s family has to respond. Treacy nearly beat her to death over a few unkind words. Well, they can’t get at wayne, so they go after Wayne’s parents, but go to far, and kill them both.
Now what?
Your thought processes are immature and childish. You see things as Wayne Treacy did because you haven’t learned, as all adults have, that unkind words do not warrant a violent, life-threatening response. It’s illegal, but most importantly, it’s immoral.
You’re right, age and sex have nothing to do with this – It’s wrong to beat anyone half to death just because they hurt your feelings. That is what happened in this case, once you strip away the bullshit – Wayne Treacy got mad because his feelings got hurt. I hope you wake up and realize this is true, before someone says your mother is ugly, and you find yourself facing 25 to life.
Her comeuppance? Have you READ the text messages? They’re available on the web, you lunatic.
Wayne Treacy was threatening to beat her within the first five messages. She laughed at him.
If there was bullying, it was FROM HIM, to her.
And her comment about his dead brother – coming long after his nasty comments about her DEAD FATHER, was simply, to paraphrase, “go talk to your dead brother” – you know, instead of her.
You’re an idiot and your way of thinking is WHY women are beaten and raped so often, because “they deserve it”.
While I appreciate the intellectual and eloquent matter you’re able to express your point, you’re still wrong.
Wayne had no reason or right to text Josie. He was obviously harassing her, and she told him what she thought would make him shut the fuck up.
You can never, ever punish somebody for their words unless it is a hate crime or you’re talking about a bomb in airport security. It makes for an incredibly ignorant society to not understand the fine lines between thinking/feeling and acting. She did him no wrong. He was the one harassing her, she tried to shut him up. He then tried to shut her up.
All of this is just indicitave of Wayne’s inability to think his actions through. None of that is Josie’s problem.
I don’t know what broken universe you’re living in, but in this one there is no excuse for someone – ANYONE – to beat an innocent, normal 13 year old down like this. Boy or girl, there isn’t a reason.
Words should NEVER cause a person to go ballistic like this. Yeah, she was being a mouthy bitch. OK, fine, acknowledged. She was being normal.
Damaged people learn to grow a fucking skin, or they commit these kinds of atrocities and are kicked out of the world. I speak as a damaged person, as do many of the regulars. That’s what makes us so fucking angry when people like Treacy use their damage as an excuse for passing on their pain.
Really, there’s nothing more to say about it.
Oh I see… I read this in the SDUT and even saw the picture of the girl that’s shown here.. But, in the newspaper, it said some guy beat her ass because she was cyberbullying another h.s girl..Not their exact words, but youo get where i’m goin’. Can they be sued or something for writing that shit?
No! We will not see Wayne in hell cause hell doesn’t exist.
Jose had a right to say what she wanted on her phone, she was acting like the teenage girl she was. Treacy on the other hand was acting like a coward, for even hitting a girl. There is a lame thing that the defence attorney for Treacy said, that basically was about how no one took Treacy seriously because everyone knew he was a good guy. The real reason no one took his threats seriously is because no one esle could even imagine what he was about to do…outside of Treacy himself. That my friends is the very definition of homocidal sociopath. If there is any small consolation for poor Josie Ratley, it is that she has saved some other poor person from being killed or maimed by Treacy. I can only hope that they put him away for most of his natural life, for public safty reasons.
Ferfucksake, Paul! *sigh* We KNOW hell doesn’t exist. Some of us believe Hell will exist, but not yet. It’s a Bible thing. We’re voting to send people to hell because we want to express how much these people need to suffer. Believe in it or not, believe it’s a NOW thing or not, it’s a pretty powerful expression of how we feel, no?
The rest of your post, yeah, preach on!
YOU’RE CRAZY VCBECKY! LOL! Hell only exists because of us! If it wasn’t for this website, or polls, they’d be stuck in limbo!
So Paul you can show me proof that hell doesn’t exist? I’de really like to think my 2 times in hell were just a bad acid trip. Oh and since you know oh sooooo much can you tell me the difference between a German and an Austrian? Thanks been trying to figure that one out for 16 years now.
What is wrong with the world? I am only four years older than this kid and i have never thought of doing that to anyone no matter what the might say, and whats wrong with the kids at the school? I have never not stepped in and took up for a girl arguing with a guy let alone getting hit. This waste of skin deserves to die and burn in hell
I guess Josie shouldn’t have mentioned dude’s dead brother. oh well.
And if you were smart enough to actually read, you would have read the update where it shows the text messages that went back and forth, and he mentioned her dead father first, and didnt give a shit about it. he was already pissed off at her at that point, and she wasnt even really provoking him, she laughed at him. yeah, she mentioned his brother, only in passing, while he claimed her father abused her,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so yeah, STFU. read the update, and dont be such an ignorant troll
Guess dud should’t have text soeone he doesn’t know. I guess dude shuldn’t have threatned a girls life. I guess dude shouldn’t have beaten a litte girl almost to death.
Max can you please find the hole where the tards are escaping from the nut house and close it for me?
Inorite? Like the other day this chick was all “I knew your grandmother” and I beat the s*** out of her because like my grandmother is DEAD.
Because when people mention dead people, you beat them up. rite? Bitch shoulda known better.
Whoops, sprained my eyes rolling them there. brb.
Well, if you know this 15 year old will be in hell, why do you have to take a vote? Maybe he’ll share a ring in the Inferno with GW Bush, who killed more than one attempted innocent victim.
Even though the GW Bush condemnation is a sure thing to me (~98 percent), I would beg off if I could. I really enjoy one line from Abba Poemus, one of the Christian desert fathers and mothers: You have to ask yourself each day, “Who am I?”, and don’t judge anyone. People will remember that line 1000 years from now, but I doubt they’ll have quotations from any of us.
Are you presenting the idea that he shouldn’t go to hell because he’s not as bad as Dubya? Is that how it works? As long as we’re not as bad as Dubya, we go to heaven?
THAT’S FANTASTIC! I like this new religion! Where do I sign up?
“Abba Poemus, one of the Christian desert fathers and mothers”? This is where we part ways. I’m not into ABBA or The Mama’s and The Papa’s. Their music just doesn’t speak to me. You almost had me there, man. It always comes down to the music.
Bitch deserved every agonizing bit of it too.
Wayne Treacy is a true American hero.
Viva la raza!
Oh, for fuck sake….
Nice try, troll-boy. My God, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more pathetic attempt at trolling. You have to do better than this, or people are just going to laugh their asses of at you.
do any of u have any siblings? because i have a brother… and if i ever lost him, and someone said something derogatory about him being dead… i probably would be capable of doing some damage. not saying that wayne should not be held accountable for what he did… but everyone look at it from his point of view. the kid is not a monster…
When I was 15 my mother died…and I had a few people call me on the phone and tell me that they dug up her corpse, all the while laughing and thinking that it was hilarious. Ahhh yes…hardy har har indeed.
And I knew who they were.
They’re all still alive too. They never had their asses beat by me. I never even made mention of it. – And I had serious teen angst and rage on my side.
- I don’t give a shit what anyone says to anyone….you don’t beat people like this. Honestly…what part of that don’t you get ?
Humans are cruel. Do you think Wayne Treacy is the first person to have to deal with that kind of cruelty? If his reaction was a normal human response, the world would be a very different place. His reaction was absolutely monstrous. He had time to reign himself in. He used that time to strap on some steel-toed boots and travel to where she was.
If she was standing in front of him and she said something like that, I think he would have been justified in slapping her. Once. Because that could have been an uncontrollable response, under the circumstances. What he did went way beyond that. He didn’t REact; he ACTED.
I LOVE WAYNE TREACY<3333333
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Aww, that’s so cute! Lookit all teh adorable lessthan3! I think it’s so sweet that you’re willing to tell him your IQ right off the bat!
I bet that when he gets out of prison and he reads this, he’s gonna buy you some flowers, come to your house, ask you out, take you to a movie, hold your hand in the dark, drive you home and kick the living shit out of your stupid head on the sidewalk in front of your house. That seems to be his style when it comes to the ladies. He’s such a charmer! I wish you good luck, and a comfy hospital bed.
Hey, it’s not all bad – at least you don’t have much of a brain to kick apart! :D
*sigh*
I guess perhaps you and I are the only women who don’t consider a nice, swift kick to the head as a normal form of foreplay.
Young love….
Damn it, Maelstrom and Becky, you guys beat me to it! I was gonna say that! I must say that Kat has a twisted view on love if she thinks it’s getting her cranium smashed from the force of Treacy’s steel toed boot. I hope she has health/life insurance from the amount of hospital bills she’s gonna rack up.
Bloody hell..empathy is an endangered ability these days.
What did happen to the days of a few lengthy angsty poems to express yourself? (why,I have a LARGE box full of the aforementioned from my awkward teenage years.They are of the can’t bear to read but can’t bear to part with variety but helped a bit at the time with my turbulent teenage emotions)
Oh and this..” He laced up his steel toed boots and readied his bicycle. He pedaled three miles to Deerfield Beach Middle School. I bet he popped a badass wheelie on his way there. ” was just too funny
Let’s get this straight. I do not believe in anyway that this girl got what she deserved. With that being said how can you people can’t look at both sides. Yeah she was doing what girls do, talking shit assuming nothing would happen cause she’s a girl. She was wrong in doing so and then on the other side there is a 15 year old child hormones going out of control, probably not part of the cool crowd from the looks of it. His father a career criminal and from the looks of it his mom a tweeker and less than 6 months previous had found his beloved brother hanging from a tree. I’ve read the texts transcripts and there was cruel malicious behavior on both sides. I’m 28 but still haven’t forgot what its like to be a teen. I think the main problem here is parenting across the whole world. To many kids having kids expecting daycare or school to raise them. Like I said I don’t agree with what he did but since when is it ok to talk to people the way these kids are talking to each other? Was josie never taught to watch her mouth? Was she not taught that other people have feelings and emotions? This kid has oviously had a pretty rough life and was at his breaking point she was being the typical unempathetic child that everybody has raised their children to be. She spoke without thinking of the consequences. She hurt the feelings of an already unstable child and didn’t care at all about his feelings and now look at where she is now. I have a dead brother and father and at 15 if anyone would have talked shit or referenced them in a negative way I would’ve flipped out. I was born and raised to know that friends come and go but fam is forever. its not ok what she did but it definitely doesn’t justify his actions. Yes she is a victim and I hope she makes a full recovery but I hope children across the world learn from what’s happened and become more empathetic to feelings of other people and watch what they say more carefully.
P.s. my grammar normally isn’t this bad but I don’t like fixing my mistakes when I’m using my cellphone so for those that want to pick my message apart and want to call me unedumacated, YOU SUCK!
Teenagers spew hateful words about as often as Bill O’Reilly and Ann Coulter sprew right-wing bullshit. If that was any cause for attempted murder the survival rte for being a teenager would be minisucle. Since bullying in it’s physical, face-to-face form is now being cracked down on teens must go technical. We’ve lost the so-called war on bullying before it even started. As soon as people get smart to one type four more pop up. If you think teenagers aren’t spewing hateful words constantly, especially to someone they don’t like, you aren’t paying attention.
From the texts, you can see that she really didn’t say anything that bad. It sounded like a typical insult-slinging between the two of them. And, he made promises to kill her BEFORE she mentioned his brother. And this oh-so-troubling reference to his brother? Well, she merely said “go visit your dead brother”. That is it. That was also after he said her deceased father had molested her, and threatened to murder her. So, from the texts, it appears she was merely giving back at the same or a lesser rate than he was giving. He flipped out because this young girl was standing up to him, not doing his bidding. Can’t have that, now can we? The claim that he did it in response to the comment about his brother is bullshit. He couldn’t even remember the comment after the fact, as evidenced by the police interrogation. I just don’t see how you can justify his behavior.
Yeah, I agree PS. Wayne said some nasty things to her first. She just gave it back to him, and the little bitch couldn’t take it. I saw his mother on the Today show this morning, and the dumb bitch had the full out fucking gall to say that Josie owed her son an apology. If she wants to assess blame, she can start by looking in the mirror, because she owns some too. She freely admits that Wayne idolized his big brother, and that he was devastated when he found his brothers body, yet she never considered oh I don’t know, maybe getting him some fucking counseling? The apple didn’t fall too far from the meth-infused tree, that’s for sure.
Wayne had over 4 hours to reconsider his chosen course of action. For fucksake, he didn’t even know who his intended victim was, as he had never met or even seen Josie before.
Fuck Wayne AND his mother. Fuck his attorney too. I’m saving my sympathy for the poor kid who literally had her head kicked in.
She had it coming.
Well it looks a lot like he will get 50 years for his actions, Unfortunately our JUSTICE SYSTEM is unable to deliver Justice to piece of TRASH like this. However we still have CONVICTS and HOPE. Jeffery Dahmer was kept in Solitary for 6 years before a Guard Slipped up and Allowed one of our Convicts to Deliver JUSTICE to him personally – Surely this SISSY will go to Solitary so the Prison can keep him from being the Little Girl that gets the Shit beat of him, but somewhere down the line there is a Prison Guard that will turn a Blind EYE just long enough for the STEAL TOED CONVICTS to DELIVER the JUSTICE that a “Civilized Society” is to afraid to deliver.
donna powers,WAYNES MOM has been married 5 times 4 of them since wayne was born!she has a swinging door for men!i think wayne hates women because of his mom!did a broward coun ty record check on her!
bell,rick-he got custody of michael!
treacy,wayne
grassi,steven
brimm,maurice
smith carey
also she was convicted of CHILD ABUSE IN 1995!
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flmdce/3:2010cv00267/243264/
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Bell, Donna Powers Female White 10/24/1959
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1 Disposition Entered 09/07/1995 827.03(1) Child Abuse 10/11/1995 Margate PD