John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho
The phrase ‘perfect storm’ was first coined by William Makepeace Thacheray in his novel “Vanity Fair” in 1847. This phrase commonly refers to an event or series of events where rare and powerful forces collide to dramatically aggravate an existing situation with disastrous results.
When John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho of Brownsville, Texas met in 2001 it began a chain of events that ended with an event that would rock not only the city of Brownsville, but the entire state of Texas. And given all the wackiness that goes on in Texas, that’s saying a lot.
Angela Camacho was born in Mexico and illegally immigrated to the United States. She settled in Brownsville and had a child with one man and then became pregnant again by another. When she was about one month along in her second pregnancy, she met John Allen Rubio.
According to Rubio’s confession, he did not care that she had children with different men, he accepted them as his own referring to Julissa Angela Quesada as his daughter and when Angela Camacho gave birth to a son, he named the boy after himself.
Less than a year later, Angela Camacho became pregnant again and gave birth to daughter Mary Jane. The blended 
family moved into a ramshackle apartment which had once been a cement block grocery store in Brownsville.
John Allen Rubio grew up in Brownsville surrounded by superstition, dysfunction, drug abuse and alcoholism. According to Rubio, both his mother and grandmother were practitioners of witchcraft, as well as long term drug users, alcoholics and prostitutes.
He told investigators that his mother began pimping him out at a young age, so he followed in the family tradition of being a prostitute, at his mother’s suggestion. It beat flipping burgers at McDonald’s.
John Allen Rubio had a few run ins with the law over minor drug charges and was diagnosed with some emotional problems, none of which prohibited him from completing his high school education and participating in the ROTC program.
But according to friends and associates, John Allen Rubio had a nasty habit – huffing; Inhaling the fumes from spray paint, solvents or other common household chemicals in order to get a quick, but often lethal, high. Long term users of inhalants often suffer from severe depression, mood changes, weight loss, lack of coordination, irritability and in some cases permanent brain damage and death.
Angela Camacho was not known to use drugs or inhalants, but she was also not considered to be the sharpest knife in the drawer. She was a follower who usually went along with what ever someone told her to do. The one thing that they 
both shared was being born into and raised in abject poverty.
During John Allen Rubio’s first trial, Lorena, a transvestite and prostitute who was born Jose Manuel Hernandez, testified that on the morning of March 11, 2003, she stopped by the apartment that she shared with Rubio and Angela Camacho. When Rubio opened the door, Lorena became concerned because it was obvious to her that Rubio had been hitting the spray paint hot and heavy.
When she tried to enter the apartment, John Allen Rubio stopped her saying, “my old lady tried to kill herself last night. Right now, we are going to kill everyone.” Lorena told the court she became concerned and scolded Rubio, telling him that he shouldn’t talk like that around the kids. Rubio pushed Lorena out of the doorway and slammed the door.
Lorena pounded on the door and demanded to be let in, but Rubio refused. Lorena recalled for the court that she was frightened of John Allen Rubio because when he was under the influence he was often volatile. Hernandez left the apartment, fearing that Rubio might attack her.
Around 7:00 p.m. that night, Officer Efrain Cervantes was responding to a domestic disturbance call at another address when a terrified young man and woman flagged his patrol down. The couple, Maria Elena Alvarez and Jose Luis Rubio (the younger brother of John) were hysterical.
Officer Cervantes stated in his report that Maria started screaming in Spanish:
“The babies are dead.”
While Jose yelled:
“They have no heads.”
Officer Cervantes asked the young couple to get into his patrol car and take him to the scene so he could try and figure out what the hell was going on. While in route, both of the witnesses kept crying that:
“They have no heads.”
“They have NO HEADS.”
“NO HEADS”
The couple directed Officer Cervantes to a run down apartment building where the young man took the 
officer to the door of the Rubio apartment. When John Allen Rubio answered the door, Officer Cervantes asked him what was going on. Rubio invited him into the apartment and just kept muttering, “the kids.”
Officer Cervantes observed that the apartment was filthy with dirty clothes and garbage strewn throughout the front room. He saw Angela Camacho sitting on what appeared to be a futon and staring at the floor. Rubio went to the futon and sat next to Angela. When John Allen Rubio’s brother yelled at him, “tell him,” Rubio looked at Officer Cervantes and said, “the kids are in the back room.”
Officer Cervantes made his way through the garbage to the back bedroom. He said that the hallway had a very strong odor of bleach. When he looked into the bedroom, at first he thought that a doll had been thrown on the bed, until he realized that it was the nude body of a small child. And indeed, he had no head.
He said:
“I just saw the jagged marks around the neck and then I realized that that couldn’t be a doll or anything.”
Frantically, Officer Cervantes reported the murder-decapitation and requested immediate assistance. No shit. I mean if I saw the dead body of a naked baby missing it’s head, I think that I would be screaming for the fucking Marines to land.
Officer Cervantes stormed back into the front room of the apartment and yelled at Rubio, “What happened?” John Allen Rubio just 
sighed deeply, stood up, put his hands together and said, “arrest me.”
Not a problem asshole.
Showing what I believe to be considerable restraint, Officer Cervantes calmly ordered everyone out of the apartment and placed John Allen Rubio in handcuffs for his own protection.
What investigators found inside the Rubio apartment defied even the most horrific slasher film Hollywood ever produced. Police Chief Carlos Garcia said:
“They lived in very poor conditions. There’s clothes, trash, all sorts of things thrown all over. Very poor, very trashy … in the worst conditions that anyone could live in the United States.”
Garbage littered the apartment; bags, toys, shopping carts, empty water bottles and clothes were piled into every nook and cranny, leaving little room for police to navigate the crime scene. Brownsville Police Department Investigator Chris Ortiz said about entering the bedroom for the first time:
“I wasn’t sure if it was a human being until I touched it.”
Baby John’s body was lying at the foot of the bed, devoid of blood. Officer Cervantes said:
“We go back to where the baby boy was found. And at that point the house was in disarray. It was dirty everything was dirty and dingy. But there was a plastic bag that I hadn’t seen the first time I walked in. It was at the entry of the doorway, towards the foot of the bed and that bag was like shiny a black trash bag. It looked like a brand new bag like it had just been placed there. It felt round. This has got to be the baby’s head. And I kind of reached over there and I was able to get to the bag, and it opened. I mean, I opened the bag and I could see that there were two other bodies in there, headless as well.”
Think this poor man has had nightmares about what he saw?
The bodies of 3-year old Julissa Angela Quesada and 2-month old Mary Jane Rubio were found stuffed inside a garbage bag, hidden behind the crib. The children’s heads were found inside of a separate garbage bag.
Investigators described the bloody scene as “horrific.” There were numerous blood pools and stains in the kitchen and on the floors. A bucket full of bloody water. Bloody knives in the kitchen and bedroom. Other Detectives found the bloody clothing that both John Rubio and Angela Camacho were wearing at the time of the murders soaking in the bathroom. As they continued to collected evidence from the scene, everyone began asking the same question, “why?” Dear God, WHY?
When John Allen Rubio was interviewed by police, he calmly and coherently explained the events that transpired on the evening of March 10 and 11, 2003. He said it began with the children’s hamsters. He became convinced that the hamsters were possessed by demons. He went to the cage where they were kept and he said that they were growling because evil spirits had entered them. So he smashed their heads with a hammer.
While John Allen Rubio was pouring bleach on the bodies, 3-year old Julissa saw what he was doing and began screaming. I don’t know about you, but if I saw the man I considered to be my father killing my pets, I would probably begin screaming too.
John Allen Rubio said that, “she started talking in like, demonized — like, she was looking at me, like, weird,” he said. He claimed that Julissa was possessed by the spirit of his grandmother. Julissa began growling and screaming at him claiming that she was Grandma who had come back from limbo and stolen Julissa’s soul. He believed that all of the children were possessed by demons.
“Julissa … my daughter … was telling me that she came from limbo. Julissa started to laugh in an evil way and started making growling sounds to me. The other two babies … started to talk and say things like three witches. They were talking to each other…”
John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho became terrified of their children and Angela began screaming for him to kill them. Rubio said that he began choking Julissa, but she wouldn’t die. So Angela ran into the kitchen and retrieved some knives. He said that Julissa was shaking and yelling at him, “you are killing me.”
Julissa kept trying to manipulate his mind with bad magic. That was when he threw her on the floor and began stabbing her. But she kept trying to get away from him because her magic was too strong. Julissa looked at Angela Camacho and said, “Mom, please make Dad stop.” Angela then held the child down with John Allen Rubio grabbed a machete and cut her head off because of course that is the only way to stop a possessed 3-year old.
John Allen Rubio said that after he cut her head off, Julissa bled all over the place with blood gushing out of her. Angela Camacho then picked Julissa’s body up and took it into the kitchen where she washed all of the blood off. She filled a bucket with cold water and placed the severed head into the bucket. Julissa’s autopsy showed that she had 12 stab wounds on her face and neck with an additional 21 stab wounds across her chest. He then nailed the back door shut to prevent any evil spirts from coming in or leaving.
John Allen Rubio then turned his sights on 2-month old Mary Jane. According to Rubio, she was practically foaming at the mouth, growling and spitting at him. Sounds like something out of the 1974 horror film, ‘It’s Alive.’ He grabbed her and began choking her really hard, but the little witch just would not die.
Rubio said that he thought that he had stabbed her in the head (he had stabbed her with enough force to break one of the vertebra in her neck) but he wasn’t sure. She was so strong and powerful that he had no choice but to cut her head off. He tried the first time but the knife wasn’t sharp enough. He couldn’t find the machete because he believed the witches had made it disappear. So John Allen Rubio grabbed her head and “with my hands ripped her head off from her body.
It was very hard but I managed to pull her head off.”
OK friends and neighbors, let’s remember that this is a 2-month old infant he is talking about. Two fucking months old and the bastard rips her head off of her body. That is a serious ‘WTF.’ Angela Camacho took Mary Jane’s body into the kitchen and washed it off. Then tossed her head into the bucket along with Julissa’s.
Even though John Allen Rubio admitted he was getting tired (of course the asshole is going to be tired – takes a lot of Wheaties to decapitate two defenseless children) but he had to deal with little Johnny.
Now there is some confusion and conflicting reports as to when John Allen Rubio killed Johnny, so I am taking this straight from his written confession. Rubio said that when he confronted 1-year old Johnny, he could just feel the evil oozing out of the child. About the only thing that little Johnny wasn’t doing was spitting pea soup all over the place.
John Allen Rubio said that Johnny was the strongest of the three children and possessed the strength of Satan himself. He explained that Johnny was trying to cast spells and spewing incantations at him and Angela. He said that it took him and Angela Camacho both to hold the child down.
John Allen Rubio tried sprinkling the baby with water, but it had no effect. I guess he thought Satan wouldn’t know the difference between tap water and Holy water. He says that he never stabbed Johnny, although the police video of the crime scene clearly shows stab wounds to the 1-year old’s body. The video shows that Johnny was stabbed multiple times, including just below his testicles on his right leg.
John Allen Rubio says that he used a larger, sharper kitchen knife to cut off Johnny’s head. Angela, ever the dutiful mother, took Johnny’s body into the kitchen, washed it and dunked his head into the bucket with his sister’s heads. Rubio said that he and Angela Camacho then began trying to clean up the mess. They tried soaking up the blood soaked into the carpet and wipe down the walls.
He placed Julissa and Mary Jane’s bodies into a plastic bag and hid it behind the crib while placing their heads in a separate bag and tossing it under the bed. But John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho were tired. So they took a shower together to wash all of the blood off of them.
He said that after the shower, the two of them went into the front room to relax. Did they call the police? A Priest? Anyone? Nope, nope and nope. With their children’s bodies lying in the next room, John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho fucked. Rubio told Angela, “we should make love for the last time because we were going to jail.”
John Allen Rubio sounds like a really deranged individual to me; someone so nuts that he has absolutely no idea of what he has done and that it was wrong. He told Angela Camacho that he thought they should dispose of the bodies in the backyard of his grandmother’s house because she was a witch and could control their evil power. I wonder if that was the dead grandmother or a living grandmother, as he was never very specific about that little detail.
They then laid in bed the rest of the night and throughout the next day until Rubio’s younger brother came to the apartment. Oh yeah, and according to Rubio, his brother and his brother’s girlfriend were both possessed by evil spirits as well. Good thing they were not helpless babies or their heads would have ended up in a bucket too.
So John Allen Rubio butchered three innocent children because they were evil. He told them that he “did what is right to save the world and that he has supernatural powers.” Sounds unfathomable, but unfortunately not that rare. It’s the old “The Devil Made Me Do It” defense.
And what about Angela Camacho? Initially, she somewhat corroborated Rubio’s fairy tale. She told investigators that the children had been sick with a fever for several days before the murders, and that they were scared and had refused to eat.
She said the day before the murders, a woman they saw while riding the bus gave Johnny a piece of candy. John Allen Rubio believed the woman had cast a spell on the children, making them sick. Rubio then demanded that Angela Camacho break an egg in a glass of water, and the way in which the egg yolk floated told them that someone had done something bad to Julissa.
The night before the murders, Angela Camacho said that John Allen Rubio’s mother came to the apartment and they all discussed using witchcraft to help the children. She admitted to holding all of the children down while Rubio stabbed and decapitated them. She said of the infant:
“Mary Jane started staring right at my eyes, real bad, like with anger, and evil at the same time.”
But when investigators questioned her a second time, she told a slightly different story. She started the interview by saying:
“I would like to start saying that yesterday I told the detectives that witchcraft was the reason that John and I killed our children. That was not true. The reason that we decided to kill the children was because of money problems.”
Angela Camacho told investigators that the family had no money for rent and that their welfare and food stamp benefits were about to end because Julissa’s social security number did not match the one on her birth certificate. They were facing eviction from the rat trap that they called home and none of John Allen Rubio’s relatives were going to let them stay with them.
Angela Camacho said that she and Rubio discussed the dire straits that the family was in and decided that it would be “better for the children to die than to suffer.” When John Allen Rubio told her that he wanted to cut their heads off, Angela asked him why. She said that he told her:
“Because . . . we had no money. No way to take care of them. It is better that they go with God.”
Yeah, that really answer the question of “why do you want to cut off their heads?” Angela Camacho said again that they killed the girls first, and about two hours later they decided to kill Johnny because they did not want him to suffer alone.
They had planned to put the bodies in a shopping cart and bury them at the city cemetery then escape into Mexico and start over. When investigators asked Angela Camacho why she would go along with such a heinous and appalling plan she said:
“because we were afraid. I didn’t want to lose my husband again, since he had gone to jail before. I was afraid because I had never been in jail before.”
When asked if she thought that they were going to go to jail, Angela Camacho said, “Yes, because we did something wrong.”
So this cum bucket helped murder and decapitate her children because she didn’t want to lose her man. Just makes me sick.
John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho were charged with three counts of capital murder making both of them eligible for the death penalty. I’m sure that all of you are aware that a death penalty conviction in the state of Texas usually means that before too long, you gonna die. Texas has tried to put in an express lane to the needle, cutting the time that inmates sit on death row.
Motions were made and granted to try Angela Camacho and John Allen Rubio separately. The problem was that Mexico had a slight problem with Texas attempting to execute one of their native daughters and filed complaints not only with Texas but with the Federal government. Texas spent two years trying to determine if Angela was legally competent to stand trial in a capital case and in the end, the courts ruled that she was.
Given the heinous nature of the crimes and the fact that she confessed, Angela decided that maybe, just maybe, it wasn’t worth standing by her man after all. In July of 2005, Angela Camacho pled guilty to three counts of murder.
Angela Camacho was sentenced to three concurrent life prison sentences instead of the death penalty, but will be eligible for parole in 40 years. If she is ever granted parole, she will be immediately deported back to Mexico. Angela has stated that she prefers to stay in prison in the United States, even if it is in Texas.
John Allen Rubio, however, was not in such a confessing mood. He and his attorneys insisted on going to trial, claiming that Rubio (wait for it…….) was innocent by reason of insanity. SHOCKING! And just in case Rubio wasn’t insane, his attorneys also proposed that he was so far under the influence of spray paint fumes that he didn’t know what he was doing or appreciate the seriousness of the situation.
During his first trial, John Allen Rubio testified that he used an array of drugs, including marijuana, spray-paint and “roaches” or flunitrazepam — a medication commonly referred to as the “date-rape drug,” which induces “memory impairment, drowsiness, visual disturbances, dizziness, confusion,” among other effects, states the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s Web site.
John Allen Rubio testified that from the moment he first saw Angela, he would do anything to “make her happy, until the last moment of my life.” I guess that included butchering her children because she asked him to. He insisted that the whole thing was Angela’s idea. The jury didn’t buy his excuses, convicted him and sentenced him to die.
Unfortunately, there was a slight procedural error committed during John Allen Rubio’s trial. Angela Camacho refused to testify against Rubio. So prosecutors admitted into evidence her video taped and written confessions. But according to the Texas Supreme Court this was a big no-no. Seems that every accused has the right to confront all witnesses in their trial. And since Angela would not testify, Texas must now start the whole thing over.
To Read The Texas Court Of Criminal Appeals Opinion, Click Here
Now the fun part – because they had to start over, that included proving that John Allen Rubio was sane. Of course Rubio’s defense team presented expert after expert during the competency hearing to try and convince the judge that Rubio was crazy for Coco Puffs.
My favorite was Jolie Brams, a forensic psychologist who stated that John Allen Rubio suffers from a delusional disorder. She testified that Rubio also suffers from a learning disability, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and of low intelligence. She said this could impact his ability to consult with his attorneys. Basically, she is saying that Rubio is to stupid to kill. Right. Sure Doc, whatever you say.
There is only one itsy, bitsy, teeny tiny problem with that. While Rubio has been in prison, it seems that John Allen Rubio has become the “go to” guy in filling out forms and requests for fellow inmates. He has also been reading law books, law dictionaries and researching specific legal cases. It seems that other inmates wanted to meet Rubio so he could provide them with legal advice.
I’m not sure about Texas, but it doesn’t seem to me that any inmate would want some whack job giving them legal advice or helping them fill out forms. Most inmates are pretty savvy when it comes to determining who is floating with a full deck.
But Brams stuck to her guns stating that if John Allen Rubio had actually done the legal reading and researching, he “still cannot comprehend legal documents you claimed he is reading.” Just makes you want to smack her doesn’t it? Maybe she wouldn’t mind if Rubio did a little babysitting for her.
In the end, the court determined that John Allen Rubio was as sane as you or me and the trial could proceed. It is scheduled to begin in July. This time, Angela Camacho will be testifying against him. Texas is again seeking the death penalty.
John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho are now pointing the finger of blame at each other, saying that it was the others idea to kill the children. Neither is accepting responsibility.
And yes, John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho had previously been referred to the state child protective agency because the children were found to be malnourished and needed medical attention, but the parents weren’t accused of physical abuse. CPS said it had counseled the couple before concluding three months before the deaths that the couple was making progress in providing a home.
Yup, John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho provided them a home alright. Three tiny caskets for the rest of eternity.
Now I know that there is a lot of occultism within the Mexican culture. Hell, I’m only one generation removed from paying the Ferryman. I have my own superstitions that have been handed down from one generation to another.
Like throwing a pinch of salt over your shoulder if you spill the shaker, planting lavender by your front door for luck and hanging wind chimes near your doors to ward off evil spirits. And I’m not saying that possession by evil spirits isn’t possible.
I just don’t see evil spirits using three babies. I mean how far could some evil entity go in the body of a 2-month old. The poor little thing can’t even hold up it’s head yet. Can’t wreck a lot of havoc when you wear a diaper and drink from a bottle.
I also don’t believe that John Rubio is nuts. I think that Angela Camacho may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but that she was more terrified of being without a man in her life than keeping her children alive with their heads attached. Whether or not Rubio is insane does not excuse his behavior in my opinion.
Maybe John Allen Rubio was hallucinating when he killed the children because of the amount of shit that he inhaled. But when the police arrived, he did not appear to be under the influence of anything. I think that he was just sick and tired of taking care of the kids. He wanted to take Angela Camacho and go frolic in Mexico free of the responsibility of three innocent young lives.
Sure, John Allen Rubio had it tough growing up. His mother was an abusive alcoholic who supported her family by prostitution, probably in front of her children. He was poor, really, really poor. He didn’t have any resources and he had shacked up with an illegal alien. But plenty of people without any money don’t chop off their kids heads.
I believe Angela Camacho told the truth when she said they killed them because they were destitute. And she would have done or said anything that Rubio wanted. I think that John Allen Rubio epitomizes the need for capital punishment. I just wish that he didn’t get off so easy with just a needle in his arm.
John Allen Rubio should suffer, suffer as Julissa, Mary Jane and Johnny suffered. They died in terror and pain. I hope and pray that Texas holds Rubio responsible for his actions and that he pisses himself as they drag his sorry ass to the death chamber. Maybe the Ferryman could just drop him off at the gates of hell, which is exactly where he belongs.
Will John Allen Rubio and Angela Camacho Burn In Hell?
- Yes, and little child demons will pull their heads off over and over again. (98%, 762 Votes)
- No, they were demon busting. (2%, 14 Votes)
Total Voters: 776
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What a terrible, wrenching tale. At the very least I hope these two never breed again, with each other or anyone else. I’m having a hard time feeling vengeful or calling for death just yet, I’m still just devastated at what these poor children went through their last day.
I do have a niggling complaint. If the transvestite mentioned in the story lives as a female, it’s proper to refer to her as “she”, if as a male, “he”. She/he tends to be a snide way people marginalize already marginalized people. You could just say something like “Lorena Whatserface, a transvestite prostitute, arrived at the apartment and she was frightened off”, to paraphrase. Or “Lorena, born Jose whatsisface”, etc.
I know it probably seems like it doesn’t matter, but gender is such a painful subject to people who feel born to the wrong one.
That’s a good point ForlornW. There’s no reason why I can’t fix that up.
You’re a kind feline, Max. :)
I’d like the chance to spit in John Rubios face! Cowardly scumbag that he is!
this really freaked me out cause I went to school with this girl I talked to her here and there in school never was like close friends we all felt sorry for her cause no one really hung out with her. A coulpe of people said she was a freak but I feel so sad for those three little children what they should do is kill them like how those babie got killed but make sure they are alive to feel it but do it really slow
god, i just have to stop coming to this site for a while. I feel sick. I just can’t imagine the terror and horror these poor children had to endure. This makes me so angry and I just can’t stomach these stories anymore. I have to take a break, I will be back eventually.
I do want to say that this has to be the sickest thing I can recall reading. I’m thinking that her husband was hallucinating and she felt that it was better because of money problems. I think they both deserve to die slow fucking painful deaths. I hope someone gets them in prison. I seriously don’t know how corrections officers and the like control their anger when they find out why these people are there. This story saddened me so much. How horrible.
You said a mouthful.
I visit this site quite frequently but rarely ever comment myself. Kudos to the writer, you make it somewhat bearable to take these cases in, especially when it involves children; I truly appreciate your writing style.
But, this story…God…it took me awhile to get through. I had to keep checking out other websites in between because I couldn’t read it all at once. This is just about the worst I think I’ve ever read :(
Rest in peace, little babies. I wish I could go back in time, steal those little children, and take all three of you home with me. I may not have a lot of money, but you would have been loved in my home. Loved and alive, my sweet angels :(
why the fuck didn’t hernandez tell someone? HE should be held responsbile for this to an extent also. Maybe if he’d called the police right then, those poor babies could have been saved. WTF! I am SO ANGRY!!!!!!!
This is not real. Please tell me this did not happen. This is the 21st century, yes?
Cannot possibly be real. And this is from a woman living in Africa where burning down shacks because “witches” live in them is a common thing.
Great article — and it does sound like something out of a slasher film. Even if Rubio was so fucked up on drugs that he really thought the children were demonically possessed, voluntary intoxication is not a defense. If they were too poor to keep the kids any longer, for god’s sake then give them to relatives, or put them in foster care, or just drop them off on a church doorstep, no reason to decapitate anybody.
One caveat: you keep saying “capitol.” The word you mean is “capital.” “Capitol” is just the Capitol Building in DC.
Shit, I thought I caught all those capitol’s – Thanks for letting me know I missed a couple more Meaghan.
Wow. Holy fuck.
The worst part is that the kids, presumably, had to watch each other and their pets die at the hands of someone they loved. Ugh.
roach is the end of a joint. roofies
I cannot believe anyone would be willing to kill anyone for that disgusting hose beast, much less murder three innocent children. She must have a HUGE penis for him to be so devoted…
Sorry, Rubio. I don’t buy the third-world “demon possession’ bullshit. You and your flabby sack of shit ‘wife’ need to go back to Mexico, and spend your days in a Mexican prison like he scum you are. Twisted, disgusting.. he pulled a babys head off of her body, and Angela helped him. These flesh piles are not human.
I agree 100%. They should be sent to Mexico to serve prison there. No air conditioning, no cable tv. These two pieces of shit will be living essentially better than their kids had lived when they were alive… DISGUSTING. People like this make me want to go vigilante and crack some skulls.
Why would Rubio be sent to Mexico? He was born in the US. It would be like telling you to go back to wherever your ancestors immigrated from.
Either you misread or you are being willfully ignorant.
I misread, but thanks for being an ass-gasket about it. Very helpful, really.
I still think this bastard deserves more than simple prison time. Yep, send him to a Mexican prison. It’s still a fine idea.
Ass-gasket? LMFAO Becky. And I rarely laugh when exposed to these stories. AssGasket!! Bah HAHAHA!
And I agree. Rubio deserves a fabulous stay in one the shittiest prisons Mexico has to offer. Not because of his heritage (I too am a Mexican-American) but because they have a crueler system of punishment than we do, and this freakin fuck deserves all the cruelty the world has to offer!!!
possessed by demons? That’s a reason for outright murder? bullshit!
demons possessed th kids?! WTF whacko? Those kids died in agony because their “parents” were TOO FUCKING LAZY to get off their fat asses and get some money to feed them, and another mistake by social services- surprise surprise! And why would anyone want to kill for that woman anyway- id rather shag the elephant man!! RIP in peace Mary Jane, Johnny, and Julissa
Also, how on earth did she avoid the needle?! Surely she was just as much to blame as her husband was? I will never understand the way that the law works (sorry about the double post)… and i was being serious about the elephant man lol
She avoided the needle because the US govt has no balls and bowed down to what mexico wanted. she was here illegally and if the us had convicted her and sentenced her to death, pres. calderon would have had a hissy fit. On top of that it was said that this was a dumb bitch, she prob. claimed she was mentally challenged(and i wouldnt argue). Also, she most likely said she was “afraid” or “controlled” by her husband.
What. The. Fuck. Seriously?? This makes me want to wake my 3 kids up right now and hug them. I don’t know if I will ever get the images of those kids out of my mind. I wonder if that guy was on meth… Seriously, this is so disturbing on so many levels. How does a mother- how does ANYONE for fuck’s sake- hold down her own children and saw off their heads??! What has to go through someone’s mind for something like that to take place?
Well, even though she slipped past the death penalty, hopefully her fellow inmates will take real good care of her when they find out what she’s in there for. I’m sure all the other mothers who would love to be with their own kids but can’t would really be interested in what she was convicted of. Good thing it’s Texas and not some other state more interested in the rights of the criminal than the victims, maybe that will keep her out of isolation.
Well written Blondie…and I didn’t notice any of the personal stuff you recieved recent complaints about!!
Can’t wait for this POS to be executed.
I know for a fact the lack of personal stuff in this story had nothing to do with the whining that went on in the last two or three stories. Apparently, it just wasn’t appropriate for this article, which sort of makes sense, since it’s hard for most people to relate their daily lives to two animals who beheaded their three babies just so they could start life over again.
Even if she was affected by the handful of complaints, I would have talked her out of changing her style for a small minority of people. As the song goes, “You can’t please everyone, so you got to please yourself.”
I agree. I like everything about the way blondie writes.
I second that, blondie’s articles are awesome and I love the personal touch! Keep doing your thing blondie and i promise to keep reading even if i feel sick after a story! I wish these types of people would hallucinate in front of a bus!!!
Honk. Splat. Over too quickly.
John, Angela, and those dead kids have suffered altogether, so it’s pretty sad to see their sufferings blown into full tragedy.
hopefully, John and Angela suffer PLENTY more…dont give a flying fuck about them, its sad the children had to pay for their stupidity and laziness. so pray for those babies, not their murderers!!!!!
We do not give two shits about john and angela. Buy a clue.
The problem with what you’re saying Leonard is that Rubio’s and Camacho’s suffering is completely of their own making. He was jobless because no one in their right mind would hire someone who blows his brains out every day sniffing paint and solvent fumes, and she couldn’t leave the kids alone with him. The kids, on the other had, were innocent victims of two people who just couldn’t cope with life on life’s terms. I’ll save my sympathy for them, but have plenty of anger, rage and disgust for Angela and John.
I think the mother is telling the truth…..stupid people are often the most honest….like Forrest Gump. Both should die for this. God Bless Texas for the ‘express lane to the needle.’ Even though lethal injection is way too humane for these two…..bring back the guillotoine (sp?). And may the blade be completely dull.
I whole heartedly agree with you! Off with John and Angela’s mfing heads with dull blades!
I do not believe a fucking work that disgusting beast said in that interview about being sorry about what she has done. I also have issues with her claiming that it took two years for her to actually realize the kids were dead? WTF? Then she has the nerve to refer to them as the baby girls and the boy? I have never been so outraged by a story on here… Probably because I can’t recall a story as awful as this one.
I agree with “Tina” that Lorena Hernandez should be prosecuted too. Lorena knew IN ADVANCE that the children were going to be killed. When John Allen Rubio told Lorena, “Right now, we are going to kill everyone.” Lorena was scared for HERSELF but not for the children. Lorena’s statement indicated: “…she was frightened of John Allen Rubio because when he was under the influence he was often volatile. Hernandez left the apartment, fearing that Rubio might attack her.” Why would Lorena think Rubio was going to attack her? Why wasn’t Lorena afraid for the children? Why wasn’t she charged with child endangerment?
Did you notice that Rubio said, “… “WE” are going to kill everyone.” and not”… “I” am going to kill everyone”?
The Supreme Court decision in Crawford vs. Washington came out after Rubio’s trial so that is why he gets a new trial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_v._Washington
I wonder if Rubio will meet his soul mate DIABLO where he is going, hopefully in the near future. May they burn in hell for eternity.
Holy shit I can’t believe this happened. I’m at a loss for words. Poor kids- I can only imagine the pain they were going through and their very last thoughts. All I can do is say a prayer to god and imagine these kids in heaven now. Rip little ones -Gonna hug n hold my kids now.
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Oh for some reason forlornW response really rubbed me the wrong way. I just finished reading this horrible story about kids getting their heads chopped off and the first response there is your comment bout not being vengeful towards these monsters just yet? Really? Then, correcting max about calling the transvestite a male or woman? Like that matters? Dont mean to seem like a bitch i guess im just taking my anger out on someone who wrote a stupid obnoxious response. Wish I never read any if this stuff really upset now
To transvestites/transsexuals, I think you’ll find it matters very much to them whether they are called men or women.
Did we go to High School together in Bencia ?
ForlornW’s complaint didn’t bother me at all, because of the way she presented it. She was neither insulting nor condescending, and she wasn’t trying to show off how smart she was. She was only concerned with the feelings of other people – in my book, that shows a whole lot of class. But most importantly, ForlornW was right. Transvestites and Transsexuals deserve to be referred to by the gender they’ve chosen to live their daily lives as.
While I’m sure the original way the story was written wasn’t meant to be in any way demeaning to Lorena – I know Blondie is absolutely not homophobic – I also saw no reason why I shouldn’t take ForlornW’s suggestion and tweak the story just a little bit.
The comment was neither stupid not obnoxious. The commenter was not trying to detract from the atrocity of the situation at hand in any way, but rather helping to keep articles at PYSIH at a high standard.
First off the visual of these two in a sex act just disgust me. Trying to watch Angela’s interview was damn disgusting also. Sounds like she has it better in prison than she did at home.
Oh yea and lets not forget about the voices she hears. BULLSHIT!!
I’ve got to agree with Annmarie here why would you not send these two hell. Good grief what does it take. Also I’m not the most PC person in the world by any stretch. I definitely believe to each his own as long as you’re not harming others. In this case I am really not concerned with the feelings of a transvestite/transsexual or whatever they want to be called. Three children have gotten their heads chopped off. That’s the issue here nothing else.
Some confusion about Hernandez. At first Hernandez states he/she pounded on the door and demanded to be let in. Rubio refuses. Then Hernandez states he/she was frightened and left the apartment fearing Rubio may attack due to being under the influence. If he/she was frightened why didn’t he/she just leave in the first place after Rubio shoves her/him out the door and call the Police maybe. I guess realistically he/she at that point had no idea what had happened.
Very well written.
Brent, really? Children died, so there’s no point in being human and kind to other humans? I do not understand such a small cup of kindness.
You understand that being snide about something irrelevant to the story (Lorena’s gender status) means you’re being snide to many other trans people who have had nothing to do with this?
If you’re angry at Hernandez’ behavior, be angry at her behavior. Using her sexual status to be snide is not really different than denigrating other people for physical, social, or racial statuses unrelated to the issue upsetting you.
Well apparently you’re reading something into it that’s not there and missing the point. I didn’t express anger at Hernandez I said there was some confusing information.
Snide,denigrating? I don’t think I made disparaging remarks or attacked anybody’s character.
My small cup of kindness for this article goes to the children period. So think whatever you want. Concern about what Hernandez wants to be called or should be called is along the same lines of the “Grammar Police” worried about someone misplacing a comma after reading such a horrific story.
Brent, I am sorry if my tone was harsher than it should have been. Allow me to simply say it’s been a rather traumatic week hereabouts.
However, grammar doesn’t hurt anyone, and referring to someone as a she/he does, which is the reason I spoke up. I have seen you post, Brent, and I do not think your cup of kindness is that small, KWIM?
I’m not overly concerned with Lorena Hernandez’ feelings, but the feelings of an entire group of marginalized people do matter to me.
Hey I understand what you’re saying about bad weeks. Hope it gets better for you.
My comment, even though not directed at an entire group of people may have come across that way. I could have worded it better than I did. Got to agree with you I’m not overall concerned with Hernandez’s feelings and I guess that’s where that was coming from.
I’ll try to watch it closer in the future but I’ve got to tell you when it comes to children, senior citizens and animals I can get pretty hard headed, unpolitically correct and unsympathetic to a person or persons who might have a made a difference but made no effort to do so.
I can’t blame anyone for feeling so much horror at this. These two are inhuman, and leaving without alerting anyone is negligent.
Absolutely not on par with ‘grammar police.’
You come off as ignorant about transsexuals with your remarks. It doesn’t detract from the sympathy you feel to the children here to also be sympathetic to people who were born into the wrong bodies.
I’m from around these parts (south texas, about an hour away from brownsville) and this just sickens me! i hope they either get killed in prison, or killed quickly by the state!!!!!!!!!!
Words can’t express how angry and disgusted I am by all of this. Death is too good for these pieces of shit.
ForlornW your just not getting it. Your still concerned with lorenas status as being male or female. Who cares about that here? Kids got their heads chopped off! They were tortured and screaming bloody murder while it was happening and your concerned with snide remarks people made about the transvestite who had a chance to call police and possibly put a stop to this but didn’t?!!!!! Maybe your a transvestite and that’s why you care so much about lorenas feelings. I personally don’t give a shit about any of these sick bastards on here only the innocent children and caring family members. I really don’t care if you are I just don’t understand how you can have sympathy for
any of these sick losers. Are you catholic?
Cause I am and I still hope they burn in hell for doing this small cup of kindness? Are you serious? I guess you people are so used to reading these stories cause it’s just not hitting you like it’s hitting me. Oh and really mea
Congrats of being a Catholic Annmarie. You know, I was brought up one, parochial school, Jesuit high school, the works. But I don’t know, maybe it was those damn Jesuits – you know how they’re famous for thinking for themselves, and teaching their charges to do the same – eventually I could no longer live with Jesus telling me to treat everyone the way I would want to be treated, and hating certain people because they were different than me.
I like to tell people that, along with being a recovering drug addict, I’m also a recovering Catholic. All that guilt and shame is bad for the soul, IMHO. Judging people as sinners when I’m a sinner myself doesn’t do me any good either. So I figure it’s best to treat everyone, and I mean everyone, with dignity and respect, as long as they live their lives without hurting anyone else.
As far as these article go, I probably read about more horror stories like this one on a daily basis than just about anyone here. There are times where my wife knows by the look on my face that it not a good time to talk to me, and other times when I catch myself thinking up ways I can off some creep who rapes and killed a little baby girl, and of course, the rare times where I’m glad my back is to everyone so they can’t see that I’m crying again. Sometimes I hate this fucking job, but that doesn’t mean I get to forget about other people’s feelings and act anyway I want. And God know I’ve earned that right by running this place for no other reason than it feels like the right thing to do. But hey, life isn’t like that.
>>I’m also a recovering Catholic. All that guilt and shame is bad for the soul, IMHO.<<
I'm stealing that, Max. "Lapsed Catholic" just doesn't quite describe me either ;)
Your personal attacks are unimpressive. I’m not a transvestite, not that this is remotely your business, but I have some MTF friends, and believe me, their lives have been painful enough without people casually denigrating them in this fashion.
I don’t really care what your religion is. I don’t really care what your gender status is.
My first comments on this thread were about these poor children; assuming I have only enough compassion and feeling to feel for the transgendered instead of them in a broad sense and these poor children in a specific sense assumes a limitation I do not have. Again, I do not understand a cup of kindness so small one must choose so minutely who can have some. Only the children and no one else in this moment? Why?
I feel for the children, I feel for the family members who are so clearly traumatized deeply by finding them, I feel for the cops, and yes, I feel for the entire group of people that unfortunately gets denigrated when one person who happens to be genderqueer is involved in some fashion in a crime like this.
I don’t really care how much my small comment about a simple etiquette issue that most people, having not run into it, are not aware of, upset you, Annemarie. I think it sucks that you’re taking this suggestion based on etiquette and making response after response – including simply to insult and attack me – about trans people.
Meaghan all you have to say is some dumb comment about transvestites as well? I guess you really feel bad for Lorena and not the kids so much cause you had nothing to say about them and what has happened. I just read the whole story again and I’m just appalled and more annoyed bout some of the dumb comments afterwards. I guess you guys are just numb to this kinda stuff. I read about it all the time and I’ll never be, but everyones different. I’m done here.
Annemarie, get a clue. No one here is defending Lorena’s actions at all. This is an ettiquette matter and it was resolved quite simply.
Sorry meaghan just realized you did write a previous comment about the story. Thought your only comment was about genders.
proof that you came here just to pick a fight. which is a lot more disrespectful to these babies’ lives than bringing up the correct way to identify a trans person.
There are some very small minds coming to this fray.
Thanks, ForlornW. I noticed that too.
Re the article. WTF. How does a person even respond to this. I worry for the mental health of the officers…. I can’t imagine what they still live through because of this.
well…..I’m just glad they live in Texas and probably won’t be living anywhere for much longer.
Hey max I guess nobodys understanding me. I don’t mean to judge anybody but the parents of these poor kids that are dead now. I guess I came off the wrong way. I really don’t mean to judge anyones opinion and I am a very understanding person. I’m kinda new to this cite but I love it and I love reading all the stories that you post on it. I guess I just got upset and I took my anger out on a comment that bothered me. I still don’t understand why anyone has any compassion towards these horrible people we read about or how after reading a sad story someone corrects you on spelling or something irrelevant to the main issue- but we all have our own opinions. Moreover, I could give you my life story and how I feel about religion but I won’t even go there. I just made a comment bout being catholic cause I have compassion for everything and everybody EXCEPT horrible murderers. Sorry for all the bullshit I caused on here. It’s only anger towards the poor kids who are dead now.
I’m sorry, but if you don’t mean to judge anyone, don’t make personal attacks toward them, as you did toward me and Meaghan.
The woman in question in this story did not kill these children, either. She made a poor and potentially negligent choice in not calling the police; perhaps she’s heard them talk crazy before and not kill anyone and thought they were just spouting off again – she did tell them to stop acting like that in front of the kids.
But she didn’t kill anyone, and feeling enough compassion for genderqueer people in general to gently suggest a minor edit has nothing to do with feeling compassion for a man who could pull a baby’s head off. Maybe you could simply consider what I actually have written and asked of Max before judging me to be a dumb, heartless transvestite.
Ugh, here I am again reading these stories and making myself sick. I don’t understand hurting a child I don’t understand being so high I want to kill someone. My heart aches for the first responding officer. I feel as far the person who didn’t notify the police about POSSIBLE child abuse that will be with them for the rest of their life regardless of what gender the person is! And I think regardless of religion we all hope these babies are somewhere better. I really love blondie and all her write ups I don’t mind the personal stuff its not like this is the new York times this is real people reporting on real events. And max the cat is the best
I’m sorry ForlornW. It was all anger I was feeling and I took it out on the wrong people. I’m not even angry at Lorena even tho I think she made a poor decision. I don’t care if she’s a male, female, black or white. None of that matters. However, I definitely don’t think your dumb, heartless or anything like that. I thought you were trying to express kindness to the wacko who ripped the kids heads off and if you still are that just makes you a better person than I am. You guys are more comfortable speaking about topics on this cite and obviously I am starting to feel the same as well! Sorry bout everything:)
Meagan- I’m sorry for snapping at you too.
No hard feelings, no worries. These are difficult things to bear witness to, even in print.
“Angela Camacho told investigators that the family had no money for rent and that their welfare and food stamp benefits were about to end because Julissa’s social security number did not match the one on her birth certificate” Angela Camacho was sentenced to three concurrent life prison sentences instead of the death penalty”
So this illegal alien pops out kids, lives off taxpayer funded welfare and food stamps, kills them when the benefits run out, and now will continue to be supported on taxpayer’s money for the next 40 years? That’s fucking perfect.
I got a better idea. Deport her now so legal citizens don’t have to spend one more f’ing cent on her murderous ass.
And people wonder why I get so pissed off about illegal immigrants.
FRY HER OR SEND HER BACK.
Well said my friend. Illegal immigration is fucking this country up more that it already is. I say enough is enough. Start sending thier asses back where they belong. Send there two to hell first.
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
Perhaps we need to scratch out the “wretched refuse” part altogether and replace the last line with “Take your citizenship app and a number at the door”
Thank you Jen . . . I think somebody has “issues” . . .
HOLY HELL. EVIL people! I say deport them without their heads.
This one fuckin hurts man.. I say it alot simply because it amazes me how people can do this kinda shit, but, I will NEVER understand how you can harm a child.. Much less kill one.. Fuckin mother fuckers man
I am sick, horrified, and so sad. Poor babies, those poor babies.
This is the story that has now convinced me that there is NO GOD!!!
I never questioned my faith when I was young but recently began to seriously wonder about all the shit going on in the world. Being raised a Christian and always hearing about how POWERFUL and ALMIGHTY the Lord is…….Well Mr. POWERFUL and ALMIGHTY….why don’t you strike these MFer’s dead at thier first strike to these poor innocent children.!!! I’m so done with religion! Oh, there might be something “out there” in the spiritual sense but it ain’t a god and it certainly ain’t powerful, and you can forgett about almighty! I too need a break from your site…i’m becoming a hater!
Whatever you do or do not believe in is your business. I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m. floating on air or something or trying to lecture. I’ve went from believing to being agnostic to believing again in my life time. A lot of that has had to do with age and sobriety.
That being said this I am sure of. For me if I let unreasonable anger and hate get in my heart then evil has won and I’m probably headed for a world of shit. When something like this happens somehow someway you’ve just got to believe good will conquer evil. I’ve said this before if I don’t believe in something greater than myself I just might go insane. Something out there has got to have a better overall plan than me
Stupid fat bitch I hope someone rips her head off her fat body, u know that won’t be easy, I hope she suffers so bad!!! I have never hated anyone in my life, but I hate her and her stupid husband! I have 5 kids and ya its rough but you don’t give up! U never give up!!! Me and my husband are making it and we are not rich. Ugh! I hope they rot in hell if there was such a place!!
These stories make sad and pissed off as hell at the same time! I can’t wrap my mind around how some one can kill a child let alone three children who can barely understand what is going on. I don’t buy the whole insanity thing since the mother did say that the did it because they were poor and she didn’t want to go to jail. It’s so sad that there are still women in this world that believe in putting their “man” before their own children. I know someone who is like this but she didn’t kill her grandchildren, she just let her man whore touch her grandchild. Believe me, I seen what a real “mama bear” looks like in action and it’s not pretty. But karma came around and bit the man whore in the ass.
But this story, it really got to me. I don’t know why just this one in particular, considering the others on this website. I hope that Rubio is found guilty and does get the death penalty. I know that it will never bring the children back but at least it would be just punishment for this bastard.
For those with strong stomachs, I did find this pdf form that prosecutors used. I strongly advise that you do not look at it if you really don’t want to see the damage done to this kids. http://sergiochapa.com/files/911DeathRowFullNotes.pdf
My prayers and thoughts go to those kids who didn’t deserve to be born to that woman.
I am just going to have to sit back and keep telling myself this one is not real…WTF
Sorry if this is already in the comments, but I have a huge problem with the insanity issue, and not just on whether or not someone (in this case, the monsters who brutally murdered their children in what sounds like a night of pure torture) is insane or not by layman, medical, or legal standards.
My issue is that even if someone is declared insane, and even if I can even say they’ve got a mental condition that may explain the neural pathways traveled to reach such a horrifying conclusion, I don’t get why it would matter whatsoever in either sentencing or extent of that sentencing.
The reason that I am so brutal (as some friends and families have told me) is that even if someone is so mentally impaired that the courts and medicine determine them to be legally insane, it doesn’t mean that we should allow them to murder or maim or even languish in a state sponsored hospital for the rest of their lives. I have never understood why insanity should even be made an exemption to the usual rules of society–just because someone cannot pass an IQ test or because they’ve been abused in their lives, we should allow murder and torture?
Sorry to rant–just a peeve of mine and I hate seeing the issue being a factor in the justice for these babies. There are a lot of reasons someone may end up doing something so atrocious, but there is not a single excuse in the world for decapitating helpless babies. Not one. If a person is capable of doing this, they are a destructive component of our society and self-preservation and common sense should dictate that they be removed completely from that society.
I have never understood why insanity should even be made an exemption to the usual rules of society–just because someone cannot pass an IQ test or because they’ve been abused in their lives, we should allow murder and torture?
That is not remotely what an insanity defense is about. First, IQ has nothing to do with sanity (other than perhaps people with very high IQs are more prone to some types of mental illnesses). Second, history of abuse might be a mitigating factor but doesn’t always have anything to do with sanity. Third, using an insanity defense doesn’t mean we’re allowing murder and torture.
Frankly, if someone is genuinely unable to understand the quality of their actions due to mental illness, it’s better for them and for society to plead this way. If one is found not guilty by reason of insanity, they are not released, they are remanded to a hospital or institution of that type, and they can legally be kept there at the court’s pleasure as long as they are still ill. Meaning if they’re still ill enough to be dangerous 60 years later, they’re still in. If they’d gone to prison, they could be out much sooner.
Yeah, I think I jumbled up what I meant to say, so I hope to make it a little more clearer…
I should have worded it better, but the IQ statement was thrown in to mean that I do not like that we consider IQ at all for deeming someone fit or unfit to stand trial. I also do not like that we determine insanity (or lack of) in order to determine what type or length of sentence to get. I understand the legal definition of “insanity” just as I understand the medical definitions and evaluations used to decide whether a defendant may use that as a proper defense.
I get so fed up with hearing some of the typical excuses or situations that should be considered when determining the sentencing of criminals. I feel sympathy for those who struggle with medical diseases, and am one of the utmost supporters of public education about the facts behind mental illness, and am also fascinated enough by the newest research into the biological neurological links between psychology and neurology that I seriously considered pursuing education to allow research into such matters. I’m veering pretty solidly in another direction but since my brother-in-law is completing his graduate studies in neuroscience in an amazing program in Germany, I’m excited that I’ll at least have ties to someone who can satisfy my need to keep myself educated on the advances and the facts behind it. I know that mental diseases are just as devastating and just as dangerous as any other disease; that’s what makes my opinion hard to word in the right ways–I don’t want it to seem like I scoff at the notion of mental illness being real or easy to cope/eradicate.
I’m not speaking from a stance of ignorance or misunderstanding of any of the terms used, I just simply don’t have the time or space to go into definitions of each and every possible condition that can be used to “defend” a criminal. I know that this creates a very vague stance but I’ll try to sum it up better than the clumsy way I did before (me + insomnia = mumbojumbo writing unfortunately lol).
It’s hard to explain for me because I’m worried I may be mistaken as someone who is advocating that people be “culled” from society, but that’s not exactly it. I advocate strict and emotionless sentencing for crimes of especially this caliber. More and more I see appeals coming through with arguments that are increasingly convoluted and leading us farther away from justice for victims and more into a society that will protect its worst elements at all costs.
As a species, humans have evolved and adapted beyond the need for blunt natural selection; we can control our success via manipulation of medicine, agriculture, and artificial defense. That’s left us free to turn to a sort of new concept of living according to ethics and morals. But IMO this has led to a lot of acceptance of unacceptable behavior and actions.
Laws and justice should work in both anticipation of crime by clearly defining what crimes are unacceptable, and then in retrospect by punishing those crimes. Instead, our justice system has a habit of creating laws and then creating excuses for those who break them.
That’s what I meant–it annoyed me to both see the amount of time taken thus far to declare these two both mentally competent and then to figure out a way to prosecute them that I feel the original point is lost–an absolutely atrocious crime that was already determined long ago to be unlawful has been committed.
It frustrates me that the legal system has become so clogged up with appeals that are not contesting guilt, but rather the fact that the guilt is assigned to an individual rather than the various reasons that the person may have for committing the crime.
I hope this cleared my opinion a little more, and hope that I didn’t just muddle things up even worse. If so, I’ll attempt to re-clarify and promise I won’t do so until I get some sleep… lol I’m at the stage of sleepiness that I may start trying to describe purple monkeys as I dream rather than think coherently.
Just realized that for all that above, I could have stated it an easier way:
Regardless of mental condition, personal reasons, blah-blah-blah, there should be laws in place that are specific and straightforward, and there should be the same in sentencing. So that if there is a murder with special circumstances (i.e. many consider a child victim to be special circumstances, or torture, etc) should have specific and straightforward laws. Your comment about the hospital release and supervision is no more correct than to say that the current prison sentences for murder would always be correct and fairly evaluated; the incidents of recidivism is well-documented and I would think that this should have shown that we need much more standardized sentencing based on the proof offered in numerous past case histories.
As a fellow sleep disturbance sufferer, I will get back to this after I sleep, too. However I’d like to point out that IQ/cognitive development is a perfectly legitimate (if abused) mitigating factor.
My son has an IQ that has been tested at about 41. He’s severely delayed. He’s a very kind and gentle young man, but if something happened and he found himself in court, he’d have no idea what was going on. He would have no way to contribute to his own defense. It would absolutely be a cruelty to expect someone in his situation medically to undergo a trial; someone like him in development needs to be handled by the medical professionals and their guardian.
I think if someone has an obvious, severe delay (and no, an IQ of 85 wouldn’t hit there) that has been diagnosed before any crime, then yes, absolutely there needs to be a less cruel and more appropriate method of handling criminal behavior than a standard trial and standard punishment.
While I can understand wanting someone removed from society because they are dangerous regardless of their capacity to understand their own dangerousness, executing (for instance) someone who has no more understanding of the world than a 7 year old child seems inhuman to me, esp when such a person is hardly an escape risk from any adequately secure facility.
You’re very right, and that leads me to my ultimate conclusion–this is way too narrow of a topic to have tried to approach with my typical abstract technique… lol I’ve considered cases where someone like your son may be involved in something dreadful, and usually I still have the same opinion, but yet I also believe that in cases such as with your son, he would not have made it to the situations that it seems I’m painting so broadly. For one thing, he obviously has a supportive and loving family and for another, a low IQ does not equal psychosis or lead to events that would put him into a situation of murder with the extenuating circumstances.
Those extenuating circumstances are the clincher for me. That’s because as much as I’d love a world where everyone was either good or bad, and no behavior would ever bridge that gap, that’s not the case. I don’t advocate immediate life imprisonment (and my ideal life imprisonment is just that–life, regardless of the length of that life) for all murders, just as my stance on capital punishment (I do believe in the death penalty) does not include all murder, or even the current standards used for capital determination. So there will always be shades of gray, and I’d despise it if a homeowner who killed an intruder was sentenced to life terms or death, or if a battered wife snapped and killed her abuser in a situation that just didn’t happen to be an immediate survival issue at that moment.
IMO, when I speak of the special circumstances, it’s something like this, or where it can be proven beyond a doubt that a truly dreadful and hideous crime took place, not just a stupid decision made in the heat of a robbery or in the situations like I mentioned above. I’m talking in cases where a child has been tortured to death, or when anyone is tortured.
I apologize if it seems like I am one of those hardheaded fools who just wants to shoot ‘em all and sort ‘em all out later, because that’s not the case either. I feel that justice does need to work on all levels, but just feel so strongly that it has become a matter of ensuring that we excuse more than follow our own laws.
And that is exactly why a person of true diminished capacity due to lower cognative ability or mental illness, disease or defect is not a candidate for the death penalty. A person MUST be completely aware and have an understanding that their actions were wrong and be able to fully aid in their defense. Someone who is truly mentally ill and cannot understand what all the hubbub is about would also not qualify for the death penalty. They and society would be better served spending the rest of their life in a mental care facility with absolutely no chance of release for their and societies protection.
That said, IMO Rubio and Camacho do NOT meet the criteria of people suffering from diminished capacity. They KNEW that what they did was wrong. They discussed the issue that they were going to jail. They had sex one last time before going to jail. They came up with a plan of disposing of the bodies and then fleeing the country. The issue facing the current trial has nothing to do with whether or not Rubio is too stupid or mentally ill to understand the proceedings, that issue was already decided. The issue facing the current trial is a procedural one. Every defendent has the right to confront their accusers/witnesses. In his first trial, Camacho, who pleaded guilty to murdering her three children, refused to testify. But the prosecution entered into evidence copies of her written and video taped confessions. That is a big no-no. Rubio is probably a psychopath who enjoys killing. The amount of rage and physical strength that it takes to physically rip the head off of another human being, even an infant, is amazing. That and the wanton disregard for that human being. Mary Jane was not dead when he decapited her. She was alive and screaming. This is not a person that you want in society. We would all be better served is he were executed.
Yep, these two clearly have diminished capabilities in some fashion, but it seems voluntary through intoxicants, which are NOT a mitigating factor, imho. If you can CHOOSE to diminish your capabilities, then you choose the problems that come with it.
Did I read this right. Mexico wrote letters to Texas and the federal government about executing one of there citizens. Are you shitting me. Mexico, keep you citizens in Mexico were they belong. I don’t care were the hell you are from. Anybody that murders helpless children need to be disposed of like the trash that they are. This country has enough problems with crime. We sure as hell don’t need it coming in here from Illegals that don’t belong here in the first place.
Amen, brother.
Thank you Peach. At least someone agrees with me.
I do too.
Very well said. You commit a crime and are here illegally, you should never be allowed back!!
I read this story days ago and thought I would come back and comment after I had time to process it all. Well I can’t comment on it. It’s way to fucked up to even think about. I have had nightmares about it and I do not scare easily.
Hopefully our lovely state of Texas will expedite the execution of BOTH of the oxygen theives. yeeehawwwww ya gotta love Texas!!! I was going to wish all forms of pain and anguish on these two, but I am at a loss as to what would ever be enough to punish them for what they did to those poor babies. RIP little ones!!!!!
I don’t believe for one minute that man has a mental illness.
So many people like to claim temporary insanity because they know they will either get off with a slap on the wrist, or a lowered sentence.
His lawyer is an idiot in my book.
If the guy is filling out legal paper work, is able to read and comprehend legal books, then he is competent enough to stand trial for murder.
Same goes for the egg donor.
They both knew it was wrong to kill the children, and now they are using scapegoats to avoid responsibility.
“oh, we were having money problems”
(I know many families who are having financial problems, but yet they let their children live, because hey, murder is illegal you know.)
“he’s mentally ill”
(bullshit bullshit bullshit.)
“we were high on drugs”
(maybe you shouldn’t have procreated in the first place, moron.)
I think all 50 states should make it mandatory for everyone to pass a background check and a series of drug and I.Q. tests plus parenting skills classes before they can reproduce. That would weed out the ones who are most likely to neglect their children. Don’t prospective adopting parents have to go through all that hell to become parents? YES. Why not those who can have biological spawn too?
Enough with the excuses.
Own up to what you did, you pathetic waste of human trash.
Ugh.
Okay first of all, people like that need to stop breeding.
Second of all, if he used the insanity defence, which I think is completely justified, and was successful then he wouldn’t get a ‘slap on the wrist’ and let off. The course of action would be that he would be sent to a mental hospital where he would be constantly and rigorously rehabilitated until the Doctors deem him fit for society, which in most cases ends up being longer than if they were sent to prison.
Third of all, I can’t believe that after writing this article, the author mentioned that it was possible to be possessed by ‘evil spirits’. Are you living in the 12th century? How can you criticise these people for what they did if you pretty much share their views, albeit not as extremely, and if the only reason you state for their ‘evil spirits’ story to be false is because “evil spirits wouldn’t invade the mind of a 1 year old because it would be too weak”? I don’t understand how people living in the 21st century with information at their fingertips and effortless access to scientific material can still believe that there are ghosts and ‘spirits’ out there that possess people. There is absolutely no evidence for them, no matter how hard these people have tried to prove otherwise. Anyone past their teens that still believes that there are evil spirits out there is either mentally deranged, a scam artist, gullible or has an intelligence deficiency.
FUCK!
I’m going to have nightmares about this. How can these monsters live with themselves after murdering three innocent babies?
This is so messed up. I feel ill. I have read back through the archives in their entirety and this is by far one of the most upsetting articles. That’s all I have to say.
When people are so vile and so fucking cruel… no punishment can truely give them what they deserve… not jail… not the death penalty… not some stupid fucking assylum! I wish I had some say in the way people were punished… if I did… these two fucks would go through such torment and such pain that they would beg me to kill them… and even when they are on their knees beggin to die… I wouldn’t let them, I’d carry on torturing them.
I’ll have rats eat on them… I would find out their deepest fears and use it to traumatise them. Then and ONLY then… would they get what they fucking deserve!!! Sick fucking bastards!!!!!
For once, I am speechless…
…My God…What the fuck? I’m pretty sure that not even a Catholic Priest would buy this crap. THis is beyond wrong and there should be a place worse than Hell to put these people. No insanity does not justify this crap BY NO MEANS!!!!
You are damn right sir or madame. I just wish people were allowed to take a crack at them before they catch it. But I can say this even the lowest scum of teh Earth would balk at what these two did. God…He’s dead before he gets to the chair. And her too.
I got a punishment: Screw THe Death Penalty. Make em suffer and let God sort em out on Judgment Day
I think before church Sunday, they need to put these low lifes in front of everybody that wants to watch. Put pictures of their chidren in front of them and cut their throat VERY SLOWLY, and hope they start choking on their own blood clots cause their bleeding so SLOWLY. And any club or goverment says thats cruel to the human race needs to join these people cause they have no HEART either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just can’t understand it. Mothers are hardwired to care for and protect their young. What happens to women for that instinct to just shut off? The fact that these two fucked after sawing and ripping their babies heads off, their bodies bagged up like trash in the next room, makes me realize that evil does exist. It really does. I never believed it before but now I do. These are not people. They are monsters!!!!
I wish I had not read this. Tears and nightmares to follow.
no person in their right mind would do that to a child. they are insane.
BUT
they should be put to death. when an animal attacks someone, it’s put down. they are animals.
July 29, 2010 3:27 PM
THE BROWNSVILLE HERALD
An Hidalgo County jury has decided John Allen Rubio should be given the death penalty for killing three children.
The jury began deliberating the sentence around 11:30 this morning and returned with the punishment just before 3:30 p.m.
On Monday the same jury convicted Rubio of the murders of Julissa Quesada, 3, John E. Rubio, 14 months, and Mary Jane Rubio, 2 months, the children of his common-law wife Angela Camacho.
Rubio is the father of the youngest child.
Stay with the Brownsville Herald for more on this developing story.
Thank you dani – We now have an update on the front page thanks to you
no problem max. was happy to share the news that the babies will be getting some measure of justice. i try to help out a little here and there, with whatever i see on the news, to add to what you and the other awesome writers post
The drugs he was doing has not a thing to do with what he did to his children …..that was he choice to do. But what he did to his children even if he thought they had demons in them he did by choice and should have to face the fact that he deserves to die… as for the mother, I would not call her a mother becasue a mother could not stand by or help kill her own children and she is as guilty or more guilty then he is for allowing this to happen to those three baby’s. They are blaming each other becasue they know they did wrong and are trying to save their own hide……the one thing I know for sure is that those three baby’s are now with the Lord and shall never suffer again for the Lord shall take the best of care of his three angels in heaven…….as for the monsters that did this to those three angels may they they suffer everything they deserve till the day they die and then suffer in hell for ever….
I think this is the strongest article I read so far on PYSIH. I am still in shock. This two deserve to stay in jail, be raped everyday, and remember and suffer for what they did. Killing them is doing them a favor. I can’t believe this, it just breaks my heart.
And THIS kind of shit is why i am slowly doubting the existence of a God.
they should be dead asshoes
“I believe Angela Camacho told the truth when she said they killed them because they were destitute. And she would have done or said anything that Rubio wanted.”
i think that’s too simplistic. i don’t think she is any less to blame than rubio. they both held their children down, stabbed them to death, and cut off their heads.
To not only watch someone kill your child, but to hold her down while he cut off her head is uncomprehendable. The icing on the cake is that she wasn’t on drugs. I think she should die the same way, because if she would go along with that, than we need to protect everyone else in society from her absolute stupidity!
This is the single most horrifying story I have ever heard!! He ripped the head off his 2 mnth old baby?!?!? I just cant wrap my head around that shit. There is most definitely a special place in Hell for him! Those sweet little babies…OMG…I feel sick…
i have to stop reading this stuff.. idk why its so addicting to read these horrrible horrible stories. all i keep picturing is that beautiful little girl screaming out for her mom to help her from this crazy man and to look up and see her mom helping! WTFFFFF you dont want yours kids leave them at the neighbors house jesus christ chopping their heads off?? that poor officer who found them will never be the same again. ive been reading this site for months now.. this the 1st story i had to comment on. unreal :(