UPDATE 3: Jordan Brown
BOY MURDER SUSPECT JORDAN BROWN MAY GET BREAK
from the article by Rick Wills – The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
A state Superior Court panel ordered a new hearing to determine whether a Lawrence County teenager accused of killing his pregnant stepmother when he was 11 should be tried as an adult.
The appellate court ruled that the trial court, in denying a petition to have the case transferred to juvenile court, violated Brown’s constitutional rights. At issue was whether Jordan Brown, 13, was forced to incriminate himself at a hearing to decertify his case as an adult homicide case.
“The trial court’s condition … coercively sought to grant (Brown) the possibility of juvenile transfer in return for (Brown’s) incriminating statements,” Superior Court Judge Cheryl Lynn Allen wrote for the court.
Lawyers representing Jordan hailed the decision.
“I am excited. I am happy with the results, and I am happy for Jordan and Jordan’s father,” said Brown’s lawyer, Dennis Elisco of New Castle. “In the bigger picture, this is an important decision statewide for juvenile justice. This is exactly what we wanted.”
Elisco said Chris Brown, Jordan’s father, drove to Erie to tell his son the news. Jordan Brown is being held at the Edmund L. Thomas Adolescent Detention Center in Erie.
The Superior Court ruling, filed Friday, does not decide whether Brown should be tried as a juvenile, said Nils Fredricksen, a
spokesman for the Pennsylvania Attorney General’s Office, which is prosecuting the case.
“The ruling does not say this case must be tried in juvenile court. The matter needs to be tried according to state law. We will follow the court’s directive in this case,” he said.
Jordan is charged with the February 2009 shooting deaths of his father’s fiancee, Kenzie Marie Houk, 26, and her unborn son, Christopher. Police say Jordan placed a shotgun to the back of Houk’s head when she was lying in bed, shot her, and then left the house to catch his school bus.
If Jordan is convicted as an adult, he would face a mandatory life sentence. If his case is handled in the juvenile justice system, he would be free without any supervision at the age of 21.
“Jordan was being put in a Catch 22. He almost had to say ‘Yes, I did it’ to get into juvenile court,” said Marsha L. Levick, a lawyer with the Juvenile Law Center in Philadelphia, which also represents Jordan.
Jordan’s unusually young age has garnered national attention for the case, and Levick says the boy’s conviction would make
him “the youngest juvenile across the globe to get a life sentence without parole.”
In January, Lawrence County Judge Dominick Motto ruled that Jordan should be tried as an adult because the juvenile system would not have time to rehabilitate him. Motto said Jordan has “significant personality problems” and refuses to take responsibility for his actions.
The defendant’s age has made the case challenging, Fredricksen said.
“We are talking about a young teenager accused of the deaths of two people,” he said. “But we need to follow the law. And the burden of proof is on the defense, not the commonwealth, to show that he should be tried as a juvenile.”
I understand why the appellate court kicked this decision back to the trial court. Requiring a defendant to admit his guilt in order to receive a more favorable ruling from the court is as bad a violation of one’s civil rights as I can think of. I thought all along this might happen, but I’m not a lawyer so I didn’t say anything. I also didn’t want to jinx the case.
In the end, I doubt it will change a thing. The reasons why the court appointed psychologist found that Jordan Brown should be tried as an adult haven’t really changed, and I doubt Judge Motto will reverse his original ruling because of this setback. As the Attorney General of Pennsylvania said, the burden of proof is still on the defense to show that Jordan’s trial belongs in juvenile court.
139 Comments »
I don’t understand how this can even be open to debate. He’s 11 years old! Yes he did a terrible thing, and he needs some serious rehabilitation but how can we hold someone accountable at such a young age? His brain isn’t even nearly fully formed yet.
Because, Nedly my friend, there are plenty of examples of children as young as 11 and 12 committing murder after planning it, and doing as much as possible to get away with it afterwards – in other words, doing everything an adult murderer would do.
Look at Mary Bell. She was 10-years old when she killed three-year-old Brian Howe and three-year-old Martin Brown. She tormented the Brown family afterwards, lied to the police for days before finally confessing, even after an accomplice ratted her out, and minimized her involvement in both murders, even though she admitted she was alone with the victims when they were killed.
Eric Smith was 13 when he murdered, sexual abused and mutilated four-year-old Derrick Robie. He has been diagnosed by a defense psychiatrist with intermittent explosive disorder, a mental disorder causing individuals to act out violently and unpredictably. I call it someone who can’t control his anger – Do you really want to see this kid as an adult living next door to you?
There a rare cases when a child of Jordan Brown’s age need to be permanently removed from society, for the protection of its citizens. Jordan is one of those cases. He planned to murder Kenzie Houk, because he was jealous of her and the new baby. He attempted to destroy evidence, lied to the police for hours about some phony black pickup on the property, and refuses to admit to what he did in spite of a good amount of physical evidence showing that it had to be him.
You need to get past the age of these types of criminals and look at what they did and how they behaved. These are not normal children – each one of them is a psychopath incapable of feeling remorse or guilt and more than willing to kill if the mood suits them.
What about the death of James Bugler? Those 11 yr olds should never have gotten out of prison. The government changed their names so society won’t kill them so we have no idea if they have been behaving themselves or not. At 11 he knows that killing is wrong. If it was shoplifting, I would consider cutting him some slack, but he murdered someone, not stole the change from their purse.
not even murdered “someone”, he murdered two people that day. He needs to be tried as an adult.
I see the point the two of you are trying to make, but I think your wrong. He is a child, and it nothing else atleast an ATTEMPT at helping him should be made. Life in prison is life in prison. there will be no help for him, just prison. We all gush and cry when we read pysih stories about kids getting hurt or killed, but have absolutely no regard for the fact that they are children when they do terrible things? thats sad.
I grew up with a kid who had schizophrenia. It wasn’t actually known until pretty much the entire world had turned on him cos he was a ‘crazy kid’. He really just couldnt help it. He did alot of terrible things, things that people in my town still talk about 20 years later. He was just a kid, and instead of trying to figure out whats wrong they just condemned him.
Apparently there have been attempts to help him. He’s incarcerated right now, and they are counseling him.
What will counseling do for a child of his age who cannot go free until he’s at least 21? Would you be o.k. with him living next door to you, perhaps dating your daughter? If he’s ever released, this is only the beginning of his criminal career, I promise you. You have to take ‘normal’ people into consideration to. Those of us who aren’t damaged like Jordan Brown is, can actually do some good in the world and people like him shouldn’t be given a second chance to fuck us up. Why should our safety matter less?
You say people still talk about what that kid in your neighborhood did, even after 20 years. Is it fair that one person with a mental problem should scar an entire community for life like that? Any idea what happened to that kid after he grew up? What’s his life like? Is he in and out of prison? Has he killed anyone?
Life is hard for everyone in various different ways. Child or adult, there are lines which aren’t crossed. Cold blooded murder is one of those lines, no matter the reason behind it. What about the rights of the two people he killed? Where’s your compassion for that unborn baby?
Some people are born broken, and there’s nothing society can do but protect ourselves from those people. Jordan Brown is broken.
P.S. there is currently no known cure for schizophrenia.
Believe it or not Brandon, I agree with you. What a lot of people don’t realize id that Jordan, if he’s convicted of capital murder, will not go straight to an adult prison. He will spend the years before he turns 21 at a juvenile facility, where he will get counseling.
The problem is the State’s psychiatrist who examined him for his desertification hearing has already said he is a poor candidate for rehabilitation. That’s really sad, considering his age – a lost cause at age 12 or 13? My God, I’d prefer to believe the guy is wrong, but the evidence doesn’t give me a lot of hope.
Max, when I took in the middle kid (he was two) we were told if we hadn’t gotten him out of the hell he was living in at that moment, he’d have been lost by the age of 5, and no amount of love and counseling would have made him ok.
Ned, there are several different reasons why this issue is being taken as seriously as it is. For starters, like everyone else on here has said, with today’s youth, more and more are committing murder thinking they will be able to get away with it because of their age. If Jordan Brown ends up being tried as a juvenile, it will only serve as a precedent for others his age and younger.
The other reason why this issue is being taken as seriously as it is, is due to the fact that if we were to go easy on Jordan Brown, the question that arises is where does it start and where does it end?
For example, if we were to follow your rationale, we might as well go easy on:
Charles Manson: After all, he was once a child as well. He’s just fucked up because his own mother didn’t want him and tried to sell him at a bar for a pitcher of beer. He doesn’t deserve incarceration. He just needs counseling and someone to love him. *rolls eyes*
Ted Bundy: Might as well exonerate him. After all, he was also once a child and his issues stemmed from witnessing abuse in his household (his mother was shoved down a flight of stairs on a regular basis. He was also made to believe that his own mother was his sister because being born out of wedlock was frowned upon during that period of time.) *rolls eyes*
John Gacy: Might as well exonerate him too. It’s not his fault he murdered because he suffered from head trauma when he was little. (some case studies have shown that some people who became sociopaths was due to the fact that they suffered serious head injuries at an early age. John Gacy was hit in the back of the head by a swing which he pushed and when he turned to walk away, it came back and hit him, which left him with damage to a certain area of his brain that eventually became permanent from being left unnoticed and untreated for many years.) *rolls eyes*
and the list goes on……
Do you see a pattern here? See where I am going with this? It’s because if we show preferential treatment towards one person, we then have to do the same for everyone else.
Jordan Brown and the others I listed are where they belong, which is either locked up or dead. The unfortunate thing about Jordan Brown is that regardless of whether they find him guilty or not, he’ll have more than his victims will ever have, which is a life. And that it the only break he deserves. As a matter of fact, it’s more than what he deserves.
Sorry Ned, but I would consider murder an Adult crime, and I believe he should be tried as an adult.
Kids, steal things, vandalize, etc, they don’t point a shot gun to the back of someones head while sleeping and pull the trigger.
The fact that he tried to conceal the weapon before he fired it, and then tried to dispose of the shell tells me he knew damn well what he was doing.
I don’t understand why the punishment has to be so all or nothing. He’s tried as an adult and put away for forever or tried as a child and gets to go free and easy once he hits 21. Why not keep him in a juvenile facility until he hits 18, then reevaluate his mental situation and decide what to do from there? Or alternatively, chalk someone so young with such “significant” (Significant seems to be putting it very mildly, I feel that “catastrophic” would be a more accurate fit.) personality problems as a loss and keep him institutionalized indefinitely? Hardcore prison seems a bit too tough, but total freedom at 21 isn’t nearly enough. Hell, a person hasn’t really experienced total freedom until they’ve hit 21 and bought their first beer anyhow.
Amoryte,
I could be wrong, I’m not sure how they do it in his state. But in most cases, juveniles like this who are tried as adults do go to a youth prison until 18 and then they are moved. I think this is the ideal option for someone like jordan brown.
He is a sociopath. 11, 18, 21 or 31. . . . lock him up.
I’m not really sure about this case. I do understand he needs to be punished for this evil crime but i’m not sure what the appropriate punishment should be. I’m just glad I’m not the jury on this one.
I’m gonna ask a question to everyone but I don’t want anyone to get mad because of my questions.
If a person is 11 or 15 when they commit murder or another serious crime people want them punished as an adult yet if a person has sex at age 14-15 years old they think they are just a child. Is that not a double standard? Like i said I don’t know what I think about Jordan Brown. I do know this was a horrendous crime but I think that someone else put this child up to it. Although he should be punished I’m not sure which punishment would be right and which would be excessive. Please no one get offended by my question, I don’t mean any harm to anyone.
Regardless of whether this individual is tried as a juvenile or as an adult, the worst part is that he took away a beautiful person and mother to be. The second worst part is that the Dad is fighting to save his son, while no one except the legal system and her family is fighting her.
Try him on juvenile court and when he gets released at 21, has his record sealed just you wait when he will be back on the legal system as an adult. He won’t be rehabilitated. Jordan Brown planned and executed his soon to be mom. He doesn’t feel remorse for his actions.
He has destroyed his family’s life, Ms. Houk’s life, her family’s lives will never, EVER be the same. He has taken a child away from her mother. He gets to wake up each morning, eat his three meals a day, and breathe whatever the day has to offer. Ms. Houk is not that fortunate, she is now six under ground, surrounded by wood and dirty. Remembered by the people who loved her, cherished her, and because of their memories Ms. Houk will truly not die until it’s their time to pass away.
And because of loophole of the legal system, justice will never be served. Mark my words. I’m hoping I will be proved wrong.
Well said Mike. I don’t know if you’re aware of this website, Wandervogel Diary (http://wandervogeldiary.wordpress.com/), but its owner claims to have close ties with the Brown family and Jordan’s defense team. The tactics that this site employs in support of Jordan Brown is pretty despicable. Basically all they do is throw as much shit against the wall as possible and see if any of it sticks.
I’ve seen Kenzie Houk’s arrest records from when she was 20-years-old published on this site – what that has to do with whether or not Jordan Brown blew a hole in the back of her head while she slept is anyone’s guess. I’ve read two articles there that promote two complete contradictory theories about the weapon that was used. And the attacks on Kenzie’s family are almost more than I can bear.
These are some of the reason’s why I’ve made myself as informed about this case as I am. Someone needs to stand up for the truth. Someone needs to say, “No, this isn’t right. You can’t just make up things as you go along.” Someone needs to speak for the victim and the victim’s family.
I admire people like yourself who can see these needs and act on them. It’s helped me to become who I am today, and I’m a happier person for it. I’ll be doing an interview this week with TV1, the most popular television station in Russia, about the Jordan Brown case. When I asked them why they wanted someone like me to do something so important (I’m not a professional journalist, I’m just a regular guy with a big mouth), the producer told me it’s because I seem to know more about the case than anyone else, and am ready to back it up with good sources. Now that felt good.
I never thought I would make a difference in this world, and even though it’s not a huge deal in the US, it’s still me going on record for the truth and for Kenzie.
Who knows, this website might keep me out of hell yet…
Max, just thought you’d like to know that you, and PYSIH, are the subject of today’s diary entry over at Wandervogel! It’s a fun read….apparently we are hell personified. Which is interesting, considering I don’t think any of us have ever slaughtered an innocent woman and her unborn baby.
Thank you Maribith. I went over and read the blurb, and it’s pretty much what I expected. He’s even denying the fact that he published Kenzie’s arrest records, and he claims there aren’t two articles promoting separate theories on the type of firearm used. Those should be pretty easy to turn back on him, although I want to believe Mr. Daily isn’t a bald-faced liar, and instead write it off to a bad memory. I just don’t want to waste too much time responding to people who have given their all to the dark side.
“He doesn’t feel remorse for his actions.”
This is the key point here.
There was a young boy in Saskatchewan named Sandy Charles. When he was 11 he murdered an 8 year old boy, boiled and consumed some of this boys fat and flesh so he could get his wings. He still shows no remorse for what he has done. My father is a corrections worker and he worked with Sandy. Sandy is a complete psychopath. He will poke holes into his socks, then d proceed to defecate in them and whip the socks against the bars so the guards and other prisoners would get covered in his shit. He even managed to escape once from a psychiatric ward.
Anyways my point is that age isn’t always a factor as Max has pointed out several times. Some humans are just born with that switch missing in their brains and they are a danger to society. I believe Jordan Brown fits in that category.
Chilling. But the fact remains, if you add flexibility to how the law sees children, you have to add that to all aspects of the law.
Would you be confortable seeing a pedophile walk because a court determined his 11 year old victim was “adult” enough, that no crime occured?
Why? How is that a fact? Why should you have to change how the law sees children? The only thing that would ‘change’ would be how the law sees cases like this one. It’s called “Precedent”, and it has nothing to do with changing laws.
As to your pedophilia question – that’s ridiculous. It has no bearing on this case at all. I hope no one is trying that argument for Jordan, because it’s a crash-and-burn waiting to happen. It just makes absolutely no sense at all, and you should feel silly for trying it.
I guess I’m on the fence about this one. I don’t think he should be released at 21, but I don’t think he should die in prison. What he did was horrible, and there is no excuse for it, but I do see the age. 11 is so very young, and also why in the world did he have access to a gun? Anyways, I do think this kid should do some hard time but not life. Juvenile til he’s 18 then prison for quite sometime.
I’d understand your positioning on the fence a little bit better if Jordan Brown had, in an act of tasting the forbidden fruit, grabbed his father’s gun in order to play with it a little, just to see how it feels like to be a hero gunning down the bad guys, and then, while trying to hide it in a panic because his dad’s new girlfriend suddenly showed up, had accidentally shot her by somehow managing to switch the safety off and pull the trigger all at once.
Because that’s what kids do. When playing around with adult toys, and at the same time faced with an adult problem, they fuck up. And no judge in his or her right mind would – in such a case – try them as adults. Because ten times out of ten, when a more or less normal kid fucks up so that there’s major damage, they show genuine remorse.
That’s not the case here, however.
There is plenty of evidence showing that Jordan Brown – despite his age at the time, or possibly even because of it, if he, in fact, was counting on being tried as a minor – not only planned this heinous deed but that once it was done, and the little fucktard got caught, only showed remorse for not having planned the murder ever so slightly better.
Next time, he’ll have learned from his mistakes. Would you feel safe if he were to move in next to you?
And while I in principle have nothing against your suggestion to treat him as a juvenile until he’s 18 and then slapping him with a five-star holiday courtesy of Uncle Sam, sharing a concrete boudoir of manly love with Bubba the Bodacious Buttdrill, I have a hard time seeing how you’d achieve this without drowning in the spunk of millions of frantically masturbating defence lawyers, all screaming MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE-AAAAAAHHHH!!!!
The problem is, you can’t have it both ways. And age, while certainly an issue that needs to be taken into consideration, pales into insignificance when compared to the issue of what lurks between the ears of this young monster. Because that is what he is, regardless of age. A cold and calculating monster.
And he should be tried and punished as such.
Homer, I have to say that this:
“…sharing a concrete boudoir of manly love with Bubba the Bodacious Buttdrill, I have a hard time seeing how you’d achieve this without drowning in the spunk of millions of frantically masturbating defence lawyers, all screaming MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE-AAAAAAHHHH!!!!”
is simply poetic. You have quite the way with words!
Thank you, Maribeth, I’m glad you liked it. :-)
It’s at times like this that I feel the need to remind everyone that English is NOT Homer’s first language. I blame our public schools, the popular media… anyone but the parents. I think G.W. Bush said it best – “Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?”
I need to go wash my socks now. Homer has rocked every last pair I own.
<3
Wait a minute… I just realized what word rhymes with "sock". And "rock". And "dock". And…
I should really leave it at that, shouldn't I? ;-)
Homer… nothing wrong with roosters ;-)
XD
Oh Mandie, you rock my rooster… ;-D
Was that a COCK-a-doodle doo?? hehehe!
Oh please! He’s 11yrs old not 2. He knows not to put his hand on a hot stove, he knows not to run in front of a moving car, he knows how to use a gun / rifle and he knows if you don’t like someone just shoot them dead to get rid of them. That is something he will always know if he is tried as a juvenille and gets away with his crime.
I will feel sorry anyone who will come into contact with this child an adult to be one day. If he hates you and wants to get rid of you…beware a bullet will be in your head.
I’m sorry for this young lady’s family who all they wanted was to see her with someone who loves her, raise her daughter, new step son, and baby to come. Now she is gone along with her son.
This world has to stop making excuses for every action…that is why our country is such turmoil…not because of others but because of us.
Man you have to be a straight up right wing nut to want an 11 year old to stand trial as an adult……..sorry but he’s a kid and anyone who wants to see a kid get a life sentence is a fascist.
He’s 11 for the love of God he needs therapy not to be locked up for the rest of his life…….And while your at it might be high time to review the gun laws in America
You’re not saying that I’M a right wing nut, are you Stormy? As I stated earlier in this thread, there are rare cases where a young child need to be permanently removed from society, for the protection of its citizens. Jordan Brown is one of those rare cases. I’m not going to go thru all the reasons why I believe this again – you can go back and read my earlier comments if you want to know.
Let me ask you something – would you sleep comfortably with this kid in the next room? Forget about his age and just look at the evidence against him. Would your opinion of him change if he was, say, 17 when he pulled the trigger? 14?
Nah, this young man is a psychopath, and beyond help. Give him a chance and he’ll hurt more people.
Yeah you got a point but i also wouldn’t sleep very well knowing that a child of 11 is getting ass raped in prison without ever being able to get out.
I mean i’m not saying let him go free but fuck i think therapy is the key not punishment…….I’m not ready to give up on this kid yet…..his crime was pretty bad but not totally sick ……it’s not like he cut her head off or nothing just a dumb kid with a loaded gun who might have just lost it for a while and made a monumental mistake.
Put him a in a psych ward for a few years and give the kid some help…….he’s 11 not an adult.
And yeah you know what I probably would take the kid in after he has had some psych evaluations…….He’s a kid he needs a hug and some attention that’s all I don’t buy this Michael Meyers shit of pure evil…….and another thing i don’t have guns laying around the house which i think is the main underlying point here
I mean let me ask you…..what age is too young to be tried as an adult in your opinion?
Would you try a 4 year old or how about an 8 year old?
If they did all the things Jordan Brown did – ie threatened the victim in the presence of others, planned the crime ahead of time, tried to hide what he was going to do from Kenzie’s little daughter Jennesa, destroyed evidence, told the police a cover story about a non-existent truck on the property, refusing to admit what he did, in spite of plenty of evidence that it had to be him – then yeah, I would take the same position. Not that I expect a 4 year old would have the intelligence to plan something like a murder.
For me, this isn’t about gun control. The shotgun was just a tool. If Jordan didn’t have that, I’m sure he wouldn’t have had any qualms about slitting Kenzie’s throat or bashing her head in with a baseball bat. He may not have been as successful as he was with the firearm, but taking it away from him wouldn’t have stopped him, IMHO.
I can’t keep my mouth shut on this one, so I hope this phone works properly so I can get this comment out. The weak excuses are repulsive. HE’S PSYCHO! The kind of mental issues this individual has CANNOT BE CURED OR REHABILITATED! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! Once someone like this gets a taste of blood it’s over. He does not have one pyschological disorder that makes him a threat to society, he has several. If he were to ever get free it would happen again. Only he’d be smarter and slicker. He’d still use an excuse on how they did something to wrong him maybe the next time but then he wouldn’t even bother concocting a reason or excuse, because guess what? As we see here HE HAS NO CAPABILITY FOR REMORSE! He clearly has no emotions, only throwing in any show of them to basically play his little game.
And seriously? Gun laws? IF YOU TAKE A GUN OUT OF A PSYCHO’S REACH THEY WILL JUST GET A DIFFERENT WEAPON. IF THEY WANT TO KILL THEY WILL KILL! Welcome to reality.
For those that are on the fence or against this boy being charged, ask yourself this. Would you be willing to move him in with you and your kids while he is getting therapy? If no, why not??
He killed 2 people.
There’s no other way around it. Give him life in prison.
So if a 4 year old killed 2 people, you’d give him life in prison?
Man have you taken time from burning crosses and wearing white sheets to post that?
Hi stormy. I’ve been wondering when you’d mosey on back over here.
I’ve said all I can say about this case in the other Jordan Brown threads on PYSIH. Knowing you as I do… knowing you’re playing games in 95% of the posts you make, I don’t feel compelled to repeat myself for your benefit. I like you, I think you know that, but DAMN, man, sometimes your arguments aren’t worth the tendinitis! And you know how I usually LOVE to repeat myself!
Since I’m not up for a personal rehash, let’s go with this:
“Police say Jordan placed a shotgun to the back of Houk’s head when she was lying in bed, shot her, and then left the house to catch his school bus.”
“Police say Jordan placed a shotgun to the back of Houk’s head when she was lying in bed, shot her, and then left the house to catch his school bus.”
“Police say Jordan placed a shotgun to the back of Houk’s head when she was lying in bed, shot her, and then left the house to catch his school bus.”
“Police say Jordan placed a shotgun to the back of Houk’s head when she was lying in bed, shot her, and then left the house to catch his school bus.”
Good ‘nuf?
This is simple… HE KILLED so Get RID of him. DAMN I dont give 2 shits how old he was.. he was old enough to know better. He is going to grow up to do WHAT exactly? he wont be a model citizen. He will still be a crazy demon doing unGODLY things to you and me and our families. QUIT making excuses for FUCK UPS let em go down in flames!
i still have issues with the entire case…i don’t think there is enough evidence that he did it..i’ know i’m not the popular opinion here but he went to school and acted no differently and why didn’t the daughter hear the gun go off..makes no sense..a shotgun is very friggen loud…and then blood..there had to be splatter on him where did that go? wasn’t there an ex b/f or something…
You’ve got a few of the facts about the case wrong here Kim. Firstly, Janessa did here a loud “boom” when Jordan fired the shotgun. When she asked him what happened, he ignored her.
The ex-boyfriend was investigated, but was cleared early on. There had been a light snowfall the night before Kenzie was killed, and when police arrived at the boyfriend’s home to question him, he was just getting in his vehicle to leave for work. The cops could see there were no tracks or footprints in the snow, proving that he never left the house that night.
As for Jordan’s behavior at School; I believe Jordan Brown is a psychopath. Psychopaths are incapable of feeling guilt or remorse. They don’t worry about getting caught because they think they’re smarter than everyone else. They are also excellent actors. Of course I’m not a mental health professional, but I’m more informed about this subject than the average layman also.
He is a child, so he should be treated like one. He isnt 16, he was 11. What kind of situation was this kid living in before this happened? I dont like to blame victims, but in this case the victim is a parent who is responsible for teaching this kid right from wrong. Maybe someone didnt do their job so good. Some people are just insane on their own, but some are a product of their enviroment. either way, alot of lives are now screwed up from this and this poor kid can never live a normal life.
There is so much that’s absolutely fucked up in this case, sorting it out is like trying to nail Jello to a wall.
I do think the kid killed her in cold blood, with malice aforethought. He knew what he was doing. Some people truly are bad seeds, as you say. Sometimes they are latent bad seeds that require the correct environment in which to flourish. Each case which involved a child like this really should be treated as a separate entity, without any nod to any precedent.
It boils down to exactly what you said, penny – this kid can never live a normal life, especially if he is guilty. So what do we do with him?
Stormy, was unaware that a 4 year old and 11 year old are similar in any way.
I’ll keep this in mind next time my 4 year old needs help getting dressed, writing, opening a door, or when I’m strapping her in her car seat.
4 and 11. Completely different ages. Make sense plz
“Stormy, was unaware that a 4 year old and 11 year old are similar in any way”
Yeah their is one glaring similarity if you look close enough……..THEY ARE BOTH CHILDREN
That’s like saying my housecat and a tiger are both felines. Sure, it’s true, but only by definition. A 4 year old and an 11 year old are completely different, in every discernible way….emotionally, intellectually, physically. If you really don’t see that, there’s not much else to say.
Jordan Brown is an evil little prick who thought he could get away with murder BECAUSE he’s a kid. He belongs in jail, where he can’t hurt any more innocent victims. This kid is a sociopath. The system just caught him young.
Well said, Maribeth. I couldn’t agree more, even if I tried.
Thanks Homer!
A newborn and a 17-year-old are both considered children in this country. Surely no one would argue that they are in any way similar, physically, mentally, or emotionally.
I have never held a real gun, much less fired one, and I have no desire to ever do so. However, when I was 11, I knew that if you put a loaded gun to the back of someone’s head and pulled the trigger, that person would be dead, or at the very least horribly injured. I also knew this when I was 4. Unlike cartoons, where Daffy Duck is merely singed after being shot with a shotgun, I knew what the real world consequences are.
So by that statement you said you knew right from wrong at the age of 4 and knew the consequences of your actions …….so should we try 4 year olds as adults I mean they meet the criteria
Show me a case where a four-year-old has planned and carried out a murder, hid or destroyed evidence, lied to police to divert attention to a non-existent perpetrator, and showed no remorse even after evidence pointing to him has been uncovered. If such a child exists, and he wasn’t abused or defending himself, then yes, that child should be tried as an adult. But I know of no four-year-old who has committed such a crime.
You keep bringing up this hypothetical homicidal four-year-old. Jordan Brown is a real 11-year-old who did all of the things above. He carried out his crime the same way an adult would. He has not expressed any regret for what he did. He needs to be punished like an adult.
Are you always this quick to generalize, Stormy?
When I was 3 or 4 I knew that alcohol made people behave in a way that I found scary, and I decided at that age never to drink alcohol. It was a decision that held for over twenty years, and still to this day I hardly ever drink, and never anything strong. But it wasn’t until I was around ten, eleven, that I realized WHY alcohol transformed people into assholes.
You can know things at a very young age. But understand them? That’s a different ballgame.
So don’t go twisting someone’s words to suit your preconceptions. I understand your point, I really do. But in this case I cannot agree with you, nor with the logic of this particular argument of yours.
Goddamn it, this bastard needs to be fried. I was hoping to open this article to see that they gassed him out of life for good, but to no avail, he’s still kicking. More than I can say for his victims. He needs to be euthanised stat! Why is this even a debate? It’s obvious the little bundle of misery planned on exacting revenge on his stepmother for whatever reason and took two lives. His bumbling father didn’t help matters either by leaving a loaded weapon in his room, free for him to use at anytime, unsuprivised. This boy was 11, he knew right from wrong. I’m upset that people keep using the tired excuse of “oh, he’s just a kid! He’s too young to know better.” I say BULLSHIT! This little fucker knew what he was doing was wrong. He should be tried as an adult and he should get the death penalty. There have been documented cases in which young children have murdered including Eric Smith and Alex and Derrick King. This little crazy ass wanted his stepmother gone and the only way he knew how to do it was by taking her life and the unborn child. He wants to do grown up things like kill people, then he can take the grown up consequences. I bet you now he doesn’t feel too big for his britches. Little crazy ass bitch.
God i hope you don’t have children
Actually, yes I have two like it’s any business of yours. What the fuck is your point?
I just shed a tear for kids brought up by a fascist like you……But if your 11 year old gets fucked up in the head and commits a crime you’ll soon change your tune.
But fuck me a parent baying for the blood of an 11 year old and wanting him executed is pretty sick and just makes me quite sad really.
You should join the Westboro Baptist Church or stormfront or something you’ll meet lots of like minded people there
Oh, Stormy… did you really miss our little slap fights that much? *sigh*.
Yeah, okay. Because I’m such a facist for believing the old saying: “If you do the crime, expect to do the time”. I do not care if you are 5 or 95, this boy commited not only a sin, but a crime against humanity as well. But in your logic, a child can murder two people and still walk free. I’m all for differing opinions between people, it makes the world go around, but don’t you ever fucking threaten my children or fix your goddamn mouth to say anything belligerent to me again. That is all I have to say to you. I will not stoop to your level of tomfoolery.
Sherry Rojas-Fondal is awarded 90 points for “Most Cromulent Use of the Word Tomfoolery In Recent Memory”. So noted…
The Simpsons Becky?
Pfft.. of course!
LOL! Well I don’t know if that was a sign of an onslaught or a benevolent display of friendship.
<3!
I mean come on all mud slinging aside the death penalty for an 11 year old is a little harsh…….
I mean fuck if your 11 year old shot someone would you want them to be put to death?
Fuck this is a KID maybe a mixed little prick but still a KID and I wouldn’t want the US government to have children’s blood on it’s hands
Also you seem very protective of your kids (which is an admirable trait) but in the same breath you condemn other children to death like a 3rd world warlord……I think your a little confused.
You wouldn’t want the US government to have children’s blood on their hands?
‘scuse me, I have some serious giggling to do. Be back later!
yeah i should have rephrased that “WHITE children’s” blood on their hands
I’d just like to give everyone a word of advice. I’ve known Stormy Weather thru this website for a long time. If you can’t argue intelligently and calmly with him, he will eat your alive. He’s smart, and he has a low threshold of tolerance for people who he sees as fools.
I think he’s a good guy, if sometimes a bit misguided, but then I believe he thinks the same of me.
Hell i do like you Max :)
I… I need to add one thing…
If you’re an extremely attractive female, stormy Weathers will buckle like an expensive strapon.
WOOOOOOOOO! ;)
Fuck yeah I’m a gentleman ;)
Stormy:
Haven’t you ever met an evil kid? A little fucking monster? An unrepentant bully who loves to beat on kids that are smaller than they are and pull mean-assed jokes on both the adults and the children around them? A kid that you meet and say, “That one’s headed for jail.” I have. And guess what? As soon as they hit fifteen, they went to prison (and I mean adult prison) for a twelve year stretch for murder. True story, and everyone knew it was coming right up for that little bastard.
Evil children exist, Stormy. Whether you personally believe in them or not.
We had a nasty little incident about a year ago with a friend’s little monster, who was caught by my sons at age 6 hitting my three- year old daughter with a tree- branch (not even a stick- a fucking branch!) There comes a point when being “understanding” about his problems with his parents splitting up or not getting a fucking good hiding when he’s acted out before doesn’t wash anymore! That was the last time we saw him or his mother, and she refused to understand that this was not normal behaviour- unbelievably, my little boys could! And they’ve been through way more shit than he has in terms of traumatic divorces and fathers on all types of shitty substances- there are people who have it in them, and people who don’t.
Yeah but i’ve never given hope on the little fuckers…….someone should beat them to an inch of their life then rebuild them to be respectable but not trying them as an adult (or putting them to death like someone suggested)
Fuck give em to the military they always need unrepentant killers
So, in order to teach them that violence is wrong, we should be extremely violent to them? Or we should ‘give’ them to the military so they can go kill people in other countries?
I think YOU are confused, Stormy. You’ve a very strange idea of what ‘hope’ is.
There are good people, and there are awful people, and there are people who are a little bit in- between but who know that blowing your stepmother’s brains out is NOT acceptable behaviour, no matter how fucked up you may feel.
“Sometimes children are bad people, too.”
sorry, couldn’t help it. Also, it is true.
As harsh as it might sound, if Brown wanted to be a “big boy” and play with big boy toys, then he should be allowed to do that. for the rest of his life. the fact is, either way, the outcome is destined to be disasterous. prison’s not a fun place to grow up, but he committed a disgusting crime. however, even if he goes to juvie, who says he’ll be rebilhatated? Likelyhood is that he won’t. He’d just come back badder than ever, with new criminal connections. He goes to juvie he’ll learn petty crime which will develop into bigger and bigger crimes and your back to square one, right where he started. it’s a tragic neverending cycle. he may not be hardened now but either way, he won’t be getting any softer so maybe preventive intervention is the best thing :/
Death Penalty? No. Life in Prison under the care of mental professionals? Yes. At the age of 11, a child should know that putting a gun to someone’s head and pulling the trigger will kill them and that is wrong. I have children, have many younger cousins, and a niece and nephew. I love kids, and I’m not a big fan of the death penalty – what goes around comes around – but this child should have known was was going to happen and the punishments that go with it. My niece is 12 years old, please note that this is one year older then this boy when he committed this crime, and she knows for a fact what would happen to her if she killed someone. God forbid she ever got mad enough at her mother to do that, I would want the same for her, niece or not.
Death? No. While he took two lives from this world, one that was too young and one that never would see the sun, an eye for an eye leaves the world blind. But he needs to be put away where he can get help and where he is not a danger to anyone else.
My main question to those who feel he should be tried as a child: do you want this kid moving next door to yuo when he’s released at 21? I know I don’t. He did an adult crime and he can do adult time. It’s not like they are going to stick a 13 year old kid in an adult prison, he will be in a youth facility until 18, then he will be moved. I think he should get Life. If I read this corectly, he can only get life, not life without parole. If he’s better at 30, release him. But I think its naive to think he will be “fixed” by 21. The kid’s obviously psycho. He even looks evil in his mug shot…
Either way, I can’t see this kid being rehabilitated. I mean granted I do not know all the specific of this case, he is still going to end up being locked away for a very long time. I can’t see why people are surprised at his age and his mental capacity to kill. We have kids now-a-days that want to do adult things. A lot of stuff that kids are doing now are not what you see what you were doing when you were a kid.
There are no easy answers in a case like this. He was only 11..but in the same breath, he killed someone in cold blood. HIm being released at 21 scares me. In the same breath, he was still a child when he did it. DOes that mean he beyond help?
One thing I do know..and predicted a long time ago is that the judge’s ruling requiring him to admit guilt in order to be tried in juvenile court would blow up in his face.
Clearly this judge didn’t hear about the 5th amendment at all.
If his case is handled in the juvenile justice system and he is release at the age of 21, YIKES!!!!! Lawrence County ya’ll better RUN & HIDE!!!
Prisons in the US and Canada, no, North America (there is no Canada any more), are full to bursting with the ‘I was just a kid’ or ‘mama didn’t love me’ or ‘I was abused so that is my reason for perpetrating the crime” stories. Fact is that today children are much more worldly than you or I were at that age.
As an adult who took major physical and mental abuse at home (everyday) and the babysitter’s (Monday to Friday) I can state with first-hand experience that even as a child of 11 we are in complete control of what we as individuals do. We know right from wrong. How many nights I dreamed of taking the pieces of shit who hurt me out of the equation permanently. Know what? I didn’t. It was wrong. Period. I took it until I was big enough to play the game backwards, if you get what I am saying. There were some shocked reactions when it happened. Funny how nice some people can be when they realize that you can actually beat the living shit out of them. Could have been murder. But like I said, even an 11 year old knows the difference between right and wrong.
I don’t know when it happened in the US but here in Canada it started in the 1980′s. That was when they started to give losers trophies so as not to hurt their widdle feewings. You know, when they started to forgive spelling and grammar mistakes to avoid hurting their widdle feewings. The age of raising children to be citizens of substance ended long ago.
Lock this kid up. If he has been diagnosed with problems…..so feckin’ what?! We are surrounded by these self-entitled animals forced upon us by their parents. Don’t let their high voices and angelic faces fool you. They will stick you faster than you can blink. Kids today may be soft and stupid but they are much more violent and unrepentant than we were. Lock him up. Better yet, euthanize. Might help the American economy.
agree with what you are saying Shawn (except what do you mean no longer Canada? lol)
It is pretty sad when school teachers can no longer use a red pen to mark an exam because “it could leave emotional damage”. And giving trophies to those that didn’t win? I understood back when I went to school you got a participation medal but there was still gold, silver and bronze medals. And you know what? Those kids worked hard for that because it was their passion. Giving everyone the same trophies is just going to make a lazy generation. Why try right?
In fact a lot of schools are even removing some aspects of phys-ed all together because of the kids that get made fun of or picked last etc. IMO, it’s total bullshit. You want to stop bullying? Then nip it in the ass. If the bully can’t pick on someone in gym class they will still do it in the halls, bathrooms, or in the park after school. They need to be suspended or expelled. And if that doesn’t work then go to the parents. Because a majority of the time they are learning it from somewhere. Either by bigoted family members who were bullies themselves, or they are seeking any kind of attention they can because they don’t get any positive reinforcement at home.
And you can’t tell me that they don’t know what is right or wrong at 11 years old. Is 6th grade really that hard for you to remember?? I mean if they have enough intelligence to be learning science, history, algebra etc, then they can’t be socially and morally stunted every time. Assuming as much is only enabling their little tantrums.
It’s scary to think that bleeding hearts can’t get over the fact that mom or dad spanked their ass for almost burning down the house. It’s bad enough that we seem to be evolving into a touch less society, but a wimpy one too?
Canada became not Canada when Harper took over. Anyway…
As for nipping it in the ass….what needs to happen is there needs to be more young asses KICKED. So they can feel how it feels and know what it means to be a victim. Far as I am concerned, if they have not had a proper ass-kicking before they become of age, not all but many, of these little shits are gonna be criminals. Empathy is extinct in much of the younger generation. Best way to generate empathy is to feel the pain you have or will inflict on others. Draconian attitude perhaps but serviceable.
Touche on the Harper business. And bang on with everything else!
Shawn, I’m a happily married woman but I’m instantly in love with you. Will you go to the prom with me? ;)
Aww shucks Becky you beat me to it :-(
but alas you are the better woman :-D
Oh, piffle! That’s very VERY debatable, schweetie! ;)
We’ll share him – every other song. We’ll work out the photos once we get there, but we simply MUST coordinate dress color ahead of time. Color, but not style. I wouldn’t be caught dead at prom wearing a dress that someone else is wearing too!
Good point. I am sure I will find something that is mix between rockabilly and tim burton-ish. I’m thinking red…..
Jesus this Shawn guy argues to euthanize 11 year olds because they are apparently much more violent and vicious than they were in his day (I think you’ll find that is most definitely not the case) and everybody is on their hands and knees sucking his cock…..
…I’m preaching forgiveness and redemption and I’m a complete asshole.
I’ve certainly never implied that you are a complete asshole. Because you sound like someone with a lot of intelligence. I don’t necessarily agree with euthanizing an 11 year old either and maybe I should have said that, instead of saying I agreed with everything. But I think he is correct in saying there are too many people out there now a days that enable children. Allowing them to have their tantrums when they don’t get there way because hey, kids will be kids? The lack of discipline at home and in the school is creating a generation of narcissists. Time outs aren’t effective on everyone. Counting to 3, 3 1/2, etc is NOT working either. Feeling sorry for them because they didn’t win every single time is ridiculous.
Killing a pregnant woman when you are 11 years old isn’t just a mistake. It was deliberate. And to know that he could do something like that at such a tender age is scary as hell. I would feel comfortable if he was housed in a mental facility for life. Because it is plain as day that there is a switch missing there.
I think he’s just pissed that we didn’t ask him to prom, Mandie.
Shawn my friend, where have you been all my life. I could have used you yesterday when all those nutballs over at Wondervogel.com were ganging up on me – LOL.
I’m kidding, most of them were at least civil, even if they’re being buffaloed by a real expert.
BTW guys, I ran into Ginger the Dog there (it figures, don’t it?) – just calling itself Ginger now, but still as evil and nasty as ever.
The interview with Boris and Andre from TV1 Russia went very well. I think I got my point across very well. I have to thank everyone here for giving me the confidence to believe in myself. You guys treat me way better than I deserve to be treated, and some of it must be sinking in, because this time around I felt like I belong in front of that camera, speaking up for Kenzie Houk and her unborn baby, the entire Houk family, myself and this website. And especially, standing up for the truth as I knew it, from the police reports and court documents available. If I didn’t know for sure, I said so. It felt good to be on the side of truth and fair play.
Thank you everyone – you’ve helped to change me into a person I can actually like some of the time. That’s a huge improvement over the despicable person I was as little as 8 years ago.
I couldn’t have done it without you.
Oh Gaaawd, I thought Ginger got ran over by a car .. boo
Congrats on the interview man! I want to see it!!
And you know you, I haven’t been on here for very long, but from what I have seen there about 6 regulars on here including you that keep my coming back. And of course the stories which are all very well written, but the commentary is what helps take the edge off. I can relate to a lot of people on here. So I would like to thank YOU for keeping this machine well greased!
Cheers!
Hey Max! Great but disturbing site, man. Don’t tune in often but when I do I am still shocked at the filthy things we ‘higher animals’ do to ourselves and each other. My my but aren’t we bipeds just a classic bunch of shits.
As to what I said, and say…just gotta speak the truth. It is what it is and this world is so fucked up because people just don’t want the truth. Like an episode of Kolchak The Night Stalker. We don’t believe until we get it full in the face with pictures and true stories. Even then we don’t want to know. So, political correctness be damned and just keep pushing it in their faces. And I can tell you that this attitude has precipitated countless fist fights. Still, shouldn’t talk too much if you can’t dance am I right?
Wow. Never expected that.
Blue. With a little pink on the edges to show how sensitive I am.
And if a preference for Elvis Presley (saw the man in 1976) mixed with Blackmores Night and a hefty helping of Jethro Tull and Bach mean rockabilly then I am there.
Oh yeah, and if Tim Burton equals Franco Zefferelli than I am double there.
Tim Burton = Franco Zefferelli is debatable, but it’s not completely ridiculous. And “Rockabilly” covers a wide spectrum of music, so that’s good too! ROFL! Sounds like we got a keeper, mandi!
The pink and blue thing kinda scares me though… O.o
Whoa. What is an Oo? I said a LITTLE pink. I meant red. Bloody and violent red.
That better?
Better? Oh that is sooo Marvey Ex!! ;-)
I think his father deserves hell too.
Apparently, his fiance didn’t mean that much if he’s “fighting for his son”. That little shit would have nothing from me but a public defender and maybe a birthday card. Period.
This is a tough one for me. I have a little boy not much younger than this chap, and I can’t even imagine…
I guess what I want to know is, why did the adults in his family ignore the fact that he said he wanted to kill his stepmother, and then leave a shotgun at his disposal? Come on. I am not saying he shouldn’t be held accountable for what he’s done. The whole trying him as an adult bit, I’m not so sure about that. I’m not saying he should just be let out to walk free, but maybe a mental facility where he is closely monitored and counseled, I don’t know. Again, right now, my focus is on the adults in his life who glossed over his noted issues.
ok all you guys dnt no the story all you no is what other ppl tell you i met and became friends wit this kid first hand i was sent to edmund l thomas center feb. 15th i was released a wk n a half ago i made friends with jordan n i dnt believe he killed his step mother i talked to him first hand about his caase and his side of the story i do not belivev he should be tried as an adult the kid already lost 2 years of his life wit no hard evidence tht proves he did it. he gets support from his family and the staff of the detention center i myself gave my support and hope tht he gets out soon like he says is to happen. He is only accused not convicted so dont jump to conclusions our court systems are fucked up i was charged for robbing sum1 for money and pot plants. POT PLANTS!! and i was convicted n sent to edmund l thomas where i met jordan. n no the person i robbed is in no trouble for possessing the plants but whatever i wish the best for jordan n hope within 6 months he will be out and back to his life again.
Are you saying you know the true story from talking to… Jordan?
You’re gullible. I hope you can fix that flaw in your personality. I really do.
im not saying i no the tru story im not saying tht he didnt do it but from looking thru his reports and court shit available and from what i learned from him i do not believe he actually did it i may be wrong or i may be right but i refuse to judge him and put him down and wish bad upon him i do believe he is innocent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHGxesOYRLA
take a look at this video, it talks bout his case and lack of evidence directly linking him to the murders. take 12 minutes jus watch it and read it mayb it will shed sum light on ur close mindedness.
Steven, this video was produced by Jordan’s family and friends. They make claims that aren’t backed up by any of the known evidence, and they don’t present any new evidence. I know people that have been to every court hearing, and Chris Brown is doing his best to put out as much misinformation as possible, presumably to confuse the jury pool. There is a lot more that shows Jordan did it than shows that he didn’t – that’s just the hard truth.
Steven, I’m not closed minded at all. I’ve just been around for longer than you have, and I’ve seen more than my fair share of horror. I’ve also known more than my fair share of shysters, liars and wolves. They talk a good line, and sometimes they’re very charismatic and intelligent. Whatever he actually is, I guarantee that Jordan Brown has a high IQ for his age, that’s usually part of it. He seems to have manipulative skills that are far beyond his years, and I believe you fell victim to him. YOU don’t want to believe someone so young can do such a terrible thing any more than I do, so he has that working for him too.
Parents will go to any length to keep their child out of prison, up to and including fabricating evidence (or a lack thereof). They’re scrambling to protect him and get him out of the pokey because they love him, he’s their little boy and they just can’t accept the evidence for what it is. It happens all the time, we see it here all the time, and it’s very, very sad. Unfortunately, nothing they do will erase the evidence.
I apologize. It seems I misjudged you as ‘gullible’, when in fact it seems you’re just inexperienced. You strike me as a well-grounded person, though, and if you keep that center you’ll grow into a fine young man. My post might have pissed you off and you might have gone off on me. Instead, you answered in a calm fashion. That’s very cool, Steven. Really. :)
and one more thing i would have no problem if he moved in nxt door to me we got along jus fine while we were locked up n no he is not an evil kid at the worst he is a sore loser cuz everytime we played a game of chess or ping pong n he was losin he would make an excuse or jus give up completlt thts the worst i seen of tht kid non of the staff believe he did it either im not saying he didnt but i will not be convinced until the judge makes his ruling n even then im not sure illbelieve it depends on what evidence they have, honestly he is very sore on the subject n does not like to talk bout it with ppl who open mindedly judge him based on what they heard but he talked with me n i didnt judge him he is not pyscho n does not need to be locked up for a long time nor ne longer than he already has and his father doesnt deserve hell for fighting for his son n it doesnt mean he didnt care about his wife it means he believes the same as me tht this kid is innocent read other reports and other comments besides ones like these who jus want him locked away forever get sources from other ppl and other sites then post your comment.
and one more thing i would have no problem if he moved in nxt door to me we got along jus fine while we were locked up n no he is not an evil kid at the worst he is a sore loser cuz everytime we played a game of chess or ping pong n he was losin he would make an excuse or jus give up completlt thts the worst i seen of tht kid non of the staff believe he did it either im not saying he didnt but i will not be convinced until the judge makes his ruling n even then im not sure illbelieve it depends on what evidence they have, honestly he is very sore on the subject n does not like to talk bout it with ppl who open mindedly judge him based on what they heard but he talked with me n i didnt judge him he is not pyscho n does not need to be locked up for a long time nor ne longer than he already has and his father doesnt deserve hell for fighting for his son n it doesnt mean he didnt care about his wife it means he believes the same as me tht this kid is innocent read other reports and other comments besides ones like these who jus want him locked away forever get sources from other ppl and other sites then post your comment.
if you would like to no more bout my expirence with him feel free to reply to this
K, I giggled at the ‘sore loser’ thing. ;)
People like Jordan are not usually outwardly ‘evil’, Steven. You know you have more than one side to your personality. Some faces you show to certain people only, or not at all. Some faces are yours alone. I don’t think Jordan is all bad, and I’m sure he’s capable of making friends and appearing normal but I don’t think he’s innocent. There are too many questions, and too many bits of evidence that point to him alone. I WANT to think he’s innocent. I just can’t.
As I and several others have said before, I really hope there’s a time when I have to get on my knees and beg Jordan’s forgiveness for being completely wrong about him. I really, truly do want that to happen for many different reasons. I hope you’re right. I hope he’s innocent and that I and others who think he’s guilty are completely discredited and humiliated. I would love to see any child honestly vindicated if they’re accused of a crime, because that would mean there aren’t child monsters and it would rekindle my faith in humankind.
Yeah, why am I not surprised he’s a sore loser? Every time I hear something new about Jordan I become more convinced of his guilt. God help us all if he’s ever acquitted – I’m worried I’ll be on his hit list….LOL.
Max, did you post the interview you did last week? If not, do you plan to? I hope it went well!
The guys told me it would be two weeks before the show was broadcast, so I expect to hear something in another week or so. They promised to send me a link as soon as it’s available online.
They seemed very pleased with the footage they shot – you’ll get to see where all of the genius happens – LOL. They did the thing with me at my computer desk with the site on my monitor in the background. I was pretty happy with it too. I felt very relaxed and answered all their questions like I knew what I was talking about – a pretty difficult trick.
The best part was I got to present my evidence in a calm, intelligent manor, and to defend myself against some of the things that people say about the site, and about me. I also was able to tell them that we do this so we can speak for the victims and the truth – because someone has to do it.
How much of that makes it past editing is out of my control, but I’m hoping that they give me a fair chance to air my side of this story.
Is it about Jordan Brown again? Is it a followup to the other interview you did about him? Too cool! :) Any publicity is good publicity, Mr. The Cat!
if it’s possible to determine a child “acted like an adult” in murder cases, where does the line get drawn?
Can a child be determined to have “acted like an adult” in statutory rape/pedophilia cases?
Think very carefully about the implications of this kind of sentencing…
The line is drawn where the law draws it, just like everything else.
For the most part, physical exploration of yourself and other kids is a normal thing at a very young age. From what I have read, it’s usually something that occurs between siblings. Usually such an encounter isn’t sexual in nature – it’s a matter of youthful curiosity. Ever heard of “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours”? There’s no such thing as underage statutory rape or pedophilia between children, to my knowledge, anyway, If both parties are underage there’s no ‘statutory’ at all, and certainly it wouldn’t be ‘pedo’. At least, not with the age group that Jordan was in when he killed his fathers pregnant girlfriend.
If he were to rape a small child, yes I’d consider that to be something he should go to Juvie for. I’m sure there are plenty of people who are in Juvenile Hall right now because they raped someone MUCH younger than they are. How many of them are there for cold-blooded murder of a mother and her unborn child?
There is a vast difference between rape/pedophilia and outright cold-blooded murder. You cannot compare the two, it’s silly even to try. It’s like saying “If gays are allowed to marry, what keeps people from marrying their pets?” The comparison is pure balderdash, like your questions. “Balderdash” because I couldn’t’ find a more appropriate word.
Trust me, we have all thought about the implications and the precedent whatever judgment will set. ‘WILL”, not “MIGHT”. Your questions offer no new avenue of insight.
Two many commas, not enough periods in that first real paragraph. Sorry, typo… IT’S SO UGLY!!!
By the way, if Jordan Brown ends up being tried as a juvenile and released once he turns 21, he better hope that:
1) When he is released, it will be in the middle of the night while about 98% of the people are sleeping.
2) With about a 4-6 hour head start, he’d be very smart to move out of the country, preferably somewhere cold (i.e. Greenland) since most people avoid cold climates.
3) Pray that no one ever finds him. Because if he wouldn’t fear for his own life, he should because most people in free society aren’t very favorable towards certain criminals, such as pedophiles, child molesters, rapists, and MOST DEFINITELY those who have committed matricide and, in general, murdered women (pregnant or not) and children.
Cole you are pathetic and people like you make this world a despicable place to live.
Jordan Brown is being tried as a juvenile.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/pa-boy-accused-of-murdering-dads-pregnant-fiancee-when-he-was-11-to-be-tried-as-a-juvenile/2011/08/23/gIQA7lTjZJ_story.html
Foot prints in the snow. Landscapers went up to the house to assist the four year old and call police, where are their foot prints? Dad left early that morning, where are his foot prints? If you shoot someone at close range with a shot gun, blood will be on you and your clothing. No blood on Jordan or his cloths. Initially the little sister said she didn’t notice anything or hear anything. Later after being questioned again, late at night , not only did she hear and notice things, her new story matched police “findings” perfectly. The only person who threatened that woman was her ex, whom she had a restraining order against. If you’re thinking, think harder.
Don’t underestimate children, most children today can kill in cold blood. Some countries even have their system revised just to prosecute children.
All sociopaths started out as kids. Manson, Gacy, Dahmer, ect., ect., ect….Some kids just show it sooner than others. Anyone remember Jonesboro? What about Columbine? Of course, then there’s Mary Bell….and the list goes on and on and on.
If both events are underage there is no ‘statutory’ at all, and certainly it will not be ‘pedo’. At least, not with the age team that The the air jordan was in when he murdered his men currently pregnant sweetheart.
If The the air jordan is charged as an mature, he would experience a compulsory life phrase. If his situation is managed in the teenager rights program, he would be totally free without any guidance at the age of 21.
My opinion on the matter is he should go straight to prison for life these two once living beings deserve at least that from his lil psychotic ass, that unborn child could have been an answer for the cure of cancer, a father, a brother, a bestfriend, a lover, a president, a lawyer, anything n he wasn’t given the chance. Those two baby girls were tipped from their mothers arms because of jealousy. Did he ever stop to think about the 4 yr old little girl. I tell my oldest daughter all the time u r 9 n ur little sister is 3 she doesn’t know better. Now if he was 3 or maybe even 5 I would say he deserves another chance but then again what do I know. I know that at 11 yrs old I had to fend for myself, find a place to live n had no choice but to know right from wrong. I hung out with drug addicts yet never did drugs hints the 11 yr old mind being able to determine right from wrong. I lived with my then 15 yr old boyfriend ( R.I.P ADAM) SLEPT IN HIS BED YET NEVER HAD INTERCOURSE HINTS AGAIN AT 11 KNOWING RIGHT FROM WRONG. I at the time hated my parents n was jealous that my older sister was still loved n cared for… did I kill any of them? HELL NO I STILL LOVED THEM … MY STEP MOTHER AT THE TIME FORCED MY FATHER TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ME N HER N HE CHOSE HER (HE IS VERY APOLOGETIC N FEGRETFUL) DID I KILM HER? HELL NO. HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING N HE KNEW IT WASNT RIGHT. WHY ELSE MAKE AN ALIBI GET RID OF EVIDENCE … HATEFUL LITTLE CREWL BASTARD IS WHAT I BELIEVE. HE PROBABLY SAT BY HIS STEP SISTER N SMILED N LAUGHED KNOWING ALL ALONG HE TOOK HER MOTHER FROM HER. HOW DEVIANT. … James bugler case does come to mind.I watched the documentary after reading n researching the story. The tears that mother cried weren’t just that day or the day before or even today… they r forever.
My opinion on the matter is he should go straight to prison for life these two once living beings deserve at least that from his lil psychotic ass, that unborn child could have been an answer for the cure of cancer, a father, a brother, a bestfriend, a lover, a president, a lawyer, anything n he wasn’t given the chance. Those two baby girls were tipped from their mothers arms because of jealousy. Did he ever stop to think about the 4 yr old little girl. I tell my oldest daughter all the time u r 9 n ur little sister is 3 she doesn’t know better. Now if he was 3 or maybe even 5 I would say he deserves another chance but then again what do I know. I know that at 11 yrs old I had to fend for myself, find a place to live n had no choice but to know right from wrong. I hung out with drug addicts yet never did drugs hints the 11 yr old mind being able to determine right from wrong. I lived with my then 15 yr old boyfriend ( R.I.P ADAM) SLEPT IN HIS BED YET NEVER HAD INTERCOURSE HINTS AGAIN AT 11 KNOWING RIGHT FROM WRONG. I at the time hated my parents n was jealous that my older sister was still loved n cared for… did I kill any of them? HELL NO I STILL LOVED THEM … MY STEP MOTHER AT THE TIME FORCED MY FATHER TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ME N HER N HE CHOSE HER (HE IS VERY APOLOGETIC N FEGRETFUL) DID I KILM HER? HELL NO. HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING N HE KNEW IT WASNT RIGHT. WHY ELSE MAKE AN ALIBI GET RID OF EVIDENCE … HATEFUL LITTLE CREWL BASTARD IS WHAT I BELIEVE. HE PROBABLY SAT BY HIS STEP SISTER N SMILED N LAUGHED KNOWING ALL ALONG HE TOOK HER MOTHER FROM HER. HOW DEVIANT. … J ames bugler case does come to mind.I watched the documentary after reading n researching the story. The tears that mother cried weren’t just that day or the day before or even today… they r forever. Know I think as a parent of 4 even if my children were grown adults with families of their own n something this horrible were to happen to them would hurt just as bad if not worse then loosing them as infants. If I lost any of my babies the thoughts of who they were n could of been would always replay kn my mind. N this woman was a grown adult. Her mother watched her develop into the woman she was. She guided her, she taught her. He saw the person she had become n all that was taken from her because of a child’s jealousy… what can she do. She cant get her back, her children will never know the mother they once held so close. People look at the bigger picture children know a days r way more mature then they were back then hell I was 11 in 2000 n look how I acted imagine the intensity of it 12 yrs later. This boy eliminated his problem but because of his age people take pity. Take pity on her daughters then n her unborn child they were younger then him. Society wanted James buglers murderer to rot because he was 3 n they were 11 n 12. But because this woman was in her mid 20′s n he was 11 they take remorse. F..K HIM. A murderer is a murderer regaurdless of age. He could be the next Ted Bundy for all he know n hell if he was already so jealous n hateful imagine if he were to get out. Heaven save the girl who falls unloved with him … what would he do when he becomes jealous of his own wife n unborn child? Will he get off with a slight spanking on that too. When ur u have an distinct to know right from wrong. U know having a wet diaper don’t feel right so it must be wrong n u cry… I think about the columbine shooting n the way they say those boys tortured animals as younger youth… look how they turned out.
You really need to take Jordan Brown’s name and picture off this site and instead list the name of the man more likely responsible for doing the killing. A couple of weeks ago, a Pennsylvania Appeals court ruled that there was insufficient evidence to convict this child. The “airtight” evidence cited by the prosecutors in this case apparently wasn’t even close enough to convict a juvenile. First, the so-called witness, the dead woman’s daughter, was never called to testified – apparently she was compromised during questioning because she intially said that she never saw or heard anything amiss, but after the police fixated on Brown, she changed her story.
Second, the police failed to account for the other entrances to the House and whether or not anyone may or may not have walked in away from the so-called footprint eveidence.
Third, the court cited the other suspect – an adult male with a serious history of violence, who happened to have a restraining order against him by the victim, who had become enraged upon finding out through a parternity test the week before that his daughter was not his biological daughter and his ex girlfriend had cheated on him and forced him to pay support; who also had a physical altercation with the victim’s relatives in a bar while intoxicated the evening before the murder. Coincidentally, he drove a vehicle matching the description that Brown intially gave to police – the one where they complained the then 10 yr old child provided inconsistencies.
The adult’s only alibi was that he was still asleep at home mid morning and his father purportedly was in the house and supported him – he also tested negative for firing a weapon – though as anyone knows, that can be masked in numerous ways and it does not preclude an accomplice. Moreover, the purpoted murder weapon was wiped clean of prints and leaned up outside the door to the boy’s room – a very strange thing to do indeed unless you didn’t want sdomeone to know that you had handled the weapon.
Like everyone else, I automatically believed the child was guilty. Now I believe that a murderer got away with it and the police and prosecutors are guilty of willful neglect and child abuse.
No.
Yeah, if you’re a real lawyer, you’d know you’re not going to get shit done posting a bunch of drivel in the comment section.
I’ll bet they exonerate the little fuck based on your comments on some obscure website – I’ll need your phone number in case I ever decide to….well,we’ll just leave it at that.
Number, please.
1. It was a three member empaneled group of the Superior court, not a court of appeals as this is a Juvenile matter.
2. The Attorney General has appealed the decision to the full superior court.
3. The judges made no finding of suspects or of possible guilt of any other party, they simply continued a pattern of judicial oversight over judge Dominick Motto. Given that Jordan Brown will remain in custody during these proceedings, I don’t think we have much to worry about this case.
4. The shotgun used to kill his step-mother was a Christmas present to Jordan and the spent 20 gauge casing was found along the path Jordan took to the bus stop. The angle of fire was consistent with Jordan’s height.