Lori Gardner and Brian Sleboda
This is 26-year-old Lori Gardner and her boyfriend, 31-year-old Brian Sleboda
About seven years ago, Lori Gardner gave birth to a baby boy. She kept it.
Somewhere along the line, Lori hooked up with Brian. And somewhere along the line, they moved into a little house together. And somewhere along the line, they decided it would be fun to go ahead and destroy Lori’s child mentally.
On the 26th of September, that little boy was put, for the final time, into a coffin in the basement of the house that Lori Gardner and Brian Sleboda were living in. This was, surprisingly, not unusual.
This activity was not unusual because Brian and Lori thought that it was entertaining to regularly put the 7-year-old into a coffin in the basement. The basement in the bottom of a house that was in such bad condition that it had been condemned.
According to Mark Seitzinger, Scranton city director of licensing, inspections and permits, the home Lori, Brian and the child was living in was condemned on the 3rd of October. According to inspectors, it was deemed unsafe for human habitation after they found the residence infested with bugs, noticed that it had electrical issues, and came across evidence of a fire that had been burning inside the building at one point.
So you can imagine how the basement looked, smelled and felt to a 7-year-old who was regularly put into a coffin by the people who would normally be expected to protect, care for and love that child.
Brian Sleboda, at some point, had the good idea of putting a diaper on the boy while the child was in the coffin. Presumably because if you’re going to keep a kid in a coffin for long periods of time, you don’t want the kid to make a mess.
And then Brian had an even better idea! Hey, let’s duct-tape the coffin shut so the kid can’t get out!
And, of course, Lori Gardner and Brian Sleboda thought it would be fun to tell the boy that ghosts lived in the basement. And, of course, they took it upon themselves to rattle a heavy chain around in the basement while the kid was trapped in this coffin, screaming and crying for someone, anyone, to help him.
Well, on the 26th of September, Brian and Lori put the kid into the coffin for safekeeping. Fortunately for the child, Brian took the lazy way out this time and only put a chair on top of the coffin.
After a good amount of pushing and kicking, the 7-year-old was able to get the chair off the coffin and get out. The door was locked and the basement was dark, so – as a child should in that situation, the boy yelled for help.
A neighbor heard the cries and called the police.
When the police showed up and investigated they found the child in a diaper, crying. His first words?
Are you here to help me?
Lori arrived at her house while the police were there. They wanted to talk with her a bit.
So what did Lori Gardner have to say about the whole thing? Well, she explained that she and Brian did, in fact, use the coffin for punishment. She admitted that they had, in fact, duct taped the boy’s arms and hands at times. She told the officers that, hey, the door wasn’t locked, so it wasn’t really cruel.
When the police notified her that the door they had found the child behind was, indeed, locked…she didn’t have much to say at that point.
After some more investigating and some interviews done with the child by experts, it was decided by the authorities that there was enough evidence for Lori Gardner and Brian Sleboda to be charged.
On the 4th of October, 2011, Lori Gardner and Brian Sleboda were charged with felony counts of endangering the welfare of a child and unlawful restraint. Bail was set at $60,000.
The 7-year-old boy is now being taken care of by local Children and Youth Services
Do Lori Gardner and Brian Sleboda deserve Hell?
- Yes (90%, 1,309 Votes)
- No (10%, 144 Votes)
Total Voters: 1,451
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Most people or (scum) who are featured on this site deserve hell.
That poor boy. :c Glad he managed to get out of that situation before it escalated to something more fatal, as it would have inevitably.
Worst part is they don’t even think they did anything wrong. What in the hell??
This is one of those Gilbert & Sullivan situations where we should let the punishment fit the crime, no? Wrap them up in a box of Depends each, duct tape them into coffins and leave them in a locked basement for a couple of days at a time. Let them figure it out from there for themselves.
I would rather cut them 100 times each and bathe them in ammonia. Repeat over the next 7 years.
I agree 100% with you. Let the punishment fit the crime. Of course, they could always be put in general population in prison….we know how prisoners just love child abusers.
I hope the kid gets the help and the love he so desperately needs and deserves.
There is different between someone who abuses/kills a child and a “person” who sexually assaults or abuses a child. For some reason in the prison general population the sex offenders that committed crimes on children are considered rock spiders and have been segregated for their own safety (which I find to be a miscarriage of justice).
I don’t believe the same holds true to the fucking wierdos like these two geniuses who only managed to traumatize and scar this child for life.
Jesus H. Christ, where do these guys live? Me & my trusty army knife will happily do a number on them. When I was in a combat zone the one thing that kept me going while dodging enemy gunfire & IEDs was ‘do it so the children can grow up happy in a world that’s safe for them.’ Then back home walking around in uniform, the sight of kids saying ‘look Mom/Dad, there’s a soldier’ or saluting to me would always make my day. These 2 fucks are just…I can’t even describe how much hatred I feel for them.
P.S. Child Services, you’d better show the kid all the love in the world.
What was yer MOS? What unit did you deploy with?
why? what is it to you?
Why are you asking? Mulch is curious because he was in the military as well.
It’s sad to say, but this is a happy ending compared to most of the way these things end. At least the boy got out of this alive–so many don’t. Of course, the therapy will cost a bundle. I propose they put the POS “mom” and her boyfriend to work and use the money to pay for it. How could they ever, in a million years, have thought this treatment was appropriate? Freakin’ sadists.
I had a LOT of time recently to do some thinking about parents like these and so many others who appear on this site. Early last month, a few weeks away from my due date for my second daughter, I went in for a semi-emergency c-section (meaning I didn’t have to go in immediately, I could be hooked up to monitors to keep an eye on thingsfor 18 hours until my doctor could get in, but there was the constant threat that it was going to turn into a real emergency and I would go in with little to no notice). Soon after my daughter was born I knew something was wrong- the cries I heard didn’t sound right, and the nurses who had been bubbly and talkative had gotten quiet. They gave my newborn to my husband to hold and to show me for about 20 seconds before rushing her and him out of the room, and I was left to get sewn up with no answers. I used that time to pray to every diety I could think of. After about half an hour in the recovery room my husband showed up, looking grim. My daughter was alive, but she was having trouble breathing. They had put her on a c-pap machine and were hoping that it didn’t get worse. It did. The next morning when I was finally able to go see her I got to spend two minutes at her bedside, holding her little foot, which was the only place I could hold her that wasn’t covered in lines or tubes before being rushed out so she could be put on a ventilator. I amazed the nurses with how fast I got over my c-section, but that’s because I had to walk to go see my daughter, and I didn’t want to wait for someone to show up with a wheelchair. It didn’t bother me that I was in one of the furthest rooms from the NICU. A day and a half or so later the vent was off and the c-pap was back on. 54 hours after my daughter was born I got to hold her for the first time. Soon after that they started feeding her though a tube. Despite a few other minor complications we kept getting positive news. After an agonizing week of shuffling back and forth from my room, then driving to and from the hospital while trying to keep the balance with my three year-old we got the news she was going home. I remember carrying her out of the door of the NICU and looking up at the clock to see it was, to the minute, one week since she was born. I had never felt so lucky. I walked past babies who had been there much longer, and I had seen babies come in with parents being told they were in for months-long stays.
Because I was often alone in that room, either holding her hand or holding her I got to thinking, and for some reason a lot of the stories I’ve read on this site came across my mind. I can’t even imagine how someone could carry a child in their womb for nine months or so, go through the pain and emotions of childbirth/recovery, and even think of doing harm to that little blessing. I’m not talking about people with mental problems, I feel sorry for them, it’s a tough enough time without having to worry about any kind of illness. I’m talking about people who act as though their child is nothing more than a houseplant (though some people take a lot better care of their houseplants), to feed when they feel like, ignore most of the time, or occasionally destroy for no good reason. I don’t know how, if people who love their children and want what’s best for them are able to let them go to someone better prepared to take them, people who have no desire to have their kids can’t do the same. I’ve always been accused of being extremely tough on people who mistreat children, I was always the first to go over my boss’ head when I worked at the daycare and report any possible child abuse or neglect, but since my daughters have been born it’s even worse because I don’t understand. I didn’t plan on either of my daughters, the hubby and I were taking precautions NOT to get pregnant, but despite that I’m thrilled with being a mommy and eager to see the future with them.
That’s why I think that going to prison is way too good for people like Lori and Brian. If they think it’s okay to treat people worse than animals they shouldn’t be surprised to be treated the same in return. If we did eye-for-an-eye punishments in full view of the public, hell, televise them for the most visibility, perhaps parents who don’t desire to keep their children might think twice about bringing them home to destroy them.
Without wanting to start a huge debate, that’s why I’m pro-choice. I would much rather a woman who doesn’t want a kid terminate the pregnancy than bring them into the world and then do it slowly and painfully. I wonder if some of these people keep their kids because they need someone to take out the anger they feel at having nine months of their lives taken from them and having to go through childbirth. Abortion shouldn’t be the contraception of choice, but if a woman can’t bring herself to go through pregnancy and childbirth without holding it against the child and taking it out on the child maybe it’s best if they don’t go through the pregnancy at all. It seems like people who don’t like their babies aren’t the ones giving them up for adoption, it’s the ones who love their kids and wouldn’t hurt them if they feel able to keep them.
So I think Lori and Brian need to be paraded into the middle of whatever town they lived in, dressed in diapers, and nailed into coffins. Let that be their prison for a while so they can realize how cruel they truly were. If we send them to prison they’ll somehow managed to turn themselves into the victims in their own minds. Though they’ll probably do that either way. Scumbags.
Thank you for sharing your story. I’m glad your little one is doing well. I can’t even imagine what you went through. I, too, have wondered how a mother could do such horrible things to her own children. I don’t think I will ever understand it. While I see your logic regarding abortion, I just can’t agree with it. Instead, I think that we, as a society, should do everything we can to protect the ilttle ones once they get here. That being said, I’m OK with sterilizing people who have proven themselves to be a danger to their own or other children. Preferably with a dull, rusty knife!
It’s always so refreshing to see mothers who are pro-choice. My sister and I were both ‘accidents’ (surprises?) and my mom was young and loved us and raised us and cared for us beautifully, and even had a 3rd child in her mid-30s (12 years my junior) that was planned with my stepfather. And stayed just as great a mother. But she’s 100% pro-choice for many of the reasons you brought up. I’ve never been pregnant, and I certainly want children, but I’m pro-choice as well, because of the points you made. I’m so glad your daughter was able to come home with you, I wish your little family the best :)
I am very happy to hear that your daughter is home and doing well after your ordeal. Congats pn the newest famiky memeber and best wishes to all of you.
I don’t understand your “pro-choice” position as it relates to child abuse, however. Abortion IS LEGAL, and yet babies/chidlren are still abused. Any woman who doesn’t want to have/raise a child already has the option abort it/relinquish it for adoption.
I disagree. Every woman knows there is a risk of pregnancy when they have sex. Whether you’re on the pill, shot, condoms, whatever, it CAN happen. Killing the baby in the womb is still the same act of killing the baby after it’s born. Have you ever watched an abortion being performed? They baby kicks and pushes and tries to get away because it’s being physically harmed. I agree, it must suck to go through 9 months with a baby growing in your womb when you didn’t want it in the first place but that is the mother’s fault. There is adoption OR ANY woman can go to ANY safe haven drop (usually at hospitals) or fire station and leave the baby there, NO QUESTIONS ASKED and the child will be placed with someone who is eager to care for it. I don’t think abortion should ever even be considered unless continuing with the pregnancy could kill the mother/baby… but even then I personally still wouldn’t do it. Not meaning to start a debate, I just don’t see how a mother who knows the love of a child can simply kill it while it’s still in her belly. Yes, giving the baby up is hard but who said any of it would be easy? It’s never the child’s fault it was conceived. It’s still murder, just inside the womb, before it even has a chance to live.
I agree with Leasha. Actions have consequences. You can’t commit a felony and then arbitrarily choose not to go to prison. If you engage in intercourse with a person of the opposite sex of reproductive age, and neither of you has had any kind of permanent sterilization, there is a chance conception will occur. If you’re not willing to take that chance, you shouldn’t engage in any activity that might introduce semen into the vagina.
Without meaning to condemn anyone, I have to wonder if the legality of abortion on demand contributes to a social climate in which life is cheap and the kind of things we read about on this site can happen. I have to wonder if the idea that you have a right to engage in whatever form of sex you choose with anyone at any time helps foster in the individual a narcissistic sense of entitlement. And in a society whose highest value seems to be “If it feels good, do it – and sweep the consequences under the rug,” where does it end? When we throw the virtues of self-restraint out the window, why are we so surprised and horrified to discover that pedophiles feel entitled to get their kicks too?
ive often wanted to go to a pro-life rally with the names of the children I often see on this site, in the news and those that have been forgotten. i couldn’t possibly try to understand/imagine the sort of fear and confusion these children faced each day along with this desperation to be loved by the very people who brought them into this world or by the very people who promised. To be hated so, to be dismissed so cruelly, to have it hurt for so long. I will not speak for them but I would rather have it done in the womb. SURE It would be great to think we live in a world that people understand the concept that their actions DO have consequences but if this site has taught me one thing(amongst many, as this site?writing truly is tops) not so much. Perhaps when children are brought into this world because they are wanted and to those that want to love and care for said child..than what are you? are you prepared to shoulder their burden?!!! pro choice is always the way to go. (notice i said pro choice not as an option for birth control)
Schala Vera. I’ll never forget that poor little angel. At three I honestly think almost anything would have been more humane than her death. Because I have a three year old, and while I know all children are different, I think my daughter would realize that something horrible was happening to her, and that she was about to be rediculously hurt. I don’t know if she understands death, but I think that Schala knew that something much worse than what she had already endured was coming, because that poor angel died of fright.
Abortion might be taking a human life, I’m not going to debate that. But for babies like Brianna, Schala, Benjamin, and so many others perhaps ending it early would be so much more humane. I’ll just leave it there.
First, this completely ignores the fact that abortion is itself the ultimate example of child abuse. Second, the right to life of a human being is not determined by whether or not some other human being wants them. There are many born people in the world who we could label as unwanted, but that doesn’t mean we can kill them. As for abortion, wantedness is a function of the humanity and character of the mother. It has absolutely nothing to do with the right to life of her child.
Third, this idea of preventing child abuse which might occur sometime in the future by executing the potential victims today, makes about as much sense as trying to eradicate wife-beating by executing all married women.
This issue also assumes that unwanted pregnancies always produce unwanted children. The truth is that even among women whose pregnancies were the most unwanted, it is rare for them not to want their baby.
Further, there is no evidence that unplanned – or even unwanted – children are any more likely to be abused than planned or wanted ones. To the contrary, in 1980, Professor Edward Lenoski at the University of Southern California studied over 600 cases of child abuse. He found that in over 90% of these cases, the parents said that the child they abused had been a wanted child.
“Abortion might be taking a human life”….”Might” ? Is the unborn child alive within the womb ? Yes. Is the abortionist ending and killing that life in the womb by the means of abortion ? Yes. – “Might ” be ? – And are we now going to place a time limit on when Murder is acceptable, tolerable, and therefor legal in this country ? At 12 weeks gestation it’s okay, and legal…but at 4 years old it’s murder ? So if I’m 80 years old and the victim of a murder, will my death be more tragic because I was a little older than a 30 year old murder victim ?
Nonsense.
My gosh, reading “ive often wanted to go to a pro-life rally” just gave me chills.
I have had to encounter pro-life protesters twice in my life. Once while I was supporting a friend. I don’t want to imagine what her life would have been like if she did not do what she did. It was the best decision FOR HER.
It was the first time I came face to face with pro-life protesters that turns my stomach. Not everyone that walks inside a clinic is there for an abortion. It just so happens that ultrasounds are used to view a variety of other things and the “abortion clinic” in my area was where I was sent to get an ultrasound. Why did I need one? Well, I had just found out, minutes before I walked through those clinic doors that I had a very rare form of very aggressive cancer. There was no time to waste, I needed to see a specialist that second. When walking in the protesters, assuming I was there for the reason most walk through those doors (these jerks were against abortion AND birth control), I was crowded, spit on, and purposely bumped into. The worst of it; I was told I was going to die and go to hell. I was told I was a “bad person who didn’t deserve to live”… minutes after I found out I had cancer. “You don’t deserve to live”… That will always stick with me. The doctors had to calm me down because they were not able to get an accurate view due to how much I was shaking in the chair.
One of the many reasons I am pro-choice is because of those people. There are many reasons a woman may walk though those clinic doors and frankly, it’s none of your business. I am not going to assume I know what’s best for a complete stranger and try to make very important decisions for them. Do what you feel is right, I will continue to do what is right for me.
No, but your death would be more tragic than that of a potential being without sentient ability or even mature enough neurology to feel pain.
With the advent of sonograms and live-action ultrasound images, neonatologists and nurses are able to see unborn babies at 20 weeks gestation react physically to outside stimuli such as sound, light and touch. The sense of touch is so acute that even a single human hair drawn across an unborn baby’s palm causes the baby to make a fist.
Surgeons entering the womb to perform corrective procedures on tiny unborn babies have seen those babies flinch, jerk and recoil from sharp objects and incisions.
“The neural pathways are present for pain to be experienced quite early by unborn babies,” explains Steven Calvin, M.D., perinatologist, chair of the Program in Human Rights Medicine, University of Minnesota, where he teaches obstetrics.
Anatomical studies have documented that the body’s pain network—the spino-thalamic pathway—is established by 20 weeks gestation.
“At 20 weeks, the fetal brain has the full complement of brain cells present in adulthood, ready and waiting to receive pain signals from the body, and their electrical activity can be recorded by standard electroencephalography (EEG).”
— Dr. Paul Ranalli, neurologist, University of Toronto
An unborn baby at 20 weeks gestation “is fully capable of experiencing pain. … Without question, [abortion] is a dreadfully painful experience for any infant subjected to such a surgical procedure.”
— Robert J. White, M.D., PhD., professor of neurosurgery, Case Western Univers
Sorry, but I’m placing my money on the good doctors here…the doctors of Neurosurgery who have far more experience and education in this area than you or I. And I would assume that being ripped apart during an abortion would cause excruciating pain.
However, hypothetically speaking, even if unborn babies do not feel the pain of abortion, an absence of pain does not lessen the horror. If someone is shot in the head and feels nothing is their death meaningless ?
I’m not willing to turn this into a debate over the science, though I very much disagree with the conclusions you’ve posted. The science used to reach them is faulty and biased.
If you do not see the difference between three years of torture and an end before cognizance – before ability to feel horror – then there is no point in discussing it further. I disagree with you both on basis of the science out there, and because there is a vast difference in a first trimester abortion and the torturing of a cognizant and aware child.
I find it a little odd how you say that you’re not willing to debate the science of this, and yet in your next comment diminish the science as “faulty” and “biased”. On what grounds, may I ask ? You can not refute scientific findings and evidence simply based upon the fact that you don’t happen to like those findings and/or evidence.
I think most people, whether pro-abortion or anti-abortion can agree that abortion is the deliberate taking of a life. And I think that one can make the logical assumption that an unborn child can and does feel pain and stimuli. – Are you going to argue with the fact that when I was pregnant with my two sons at 15 weeks they routinely responded to my tapping ? I would lightly tap on my tummy and they would kick or punch back. – Is that not being aware, and cognizant, and responding to stimuli ? Prenatal surgeons who have operated on unborn children all readily agree that the unborn child does in fact respond to everything.
I would much rather hear someone who is pro-abortion just admit that it doesn’t really matter to them whether or not the unborn child feels pain, and it doesn’t matter if the mother feels pain during the abortion. I would much rather hear that pro-abortion advocates simply do not care if abortion is murder, or that it emotionally devastates the woman for the rest of her life. – Because the rest is smoke and mirrors. – Anyone supporting abortion can admit to all of that and still support it. What irks me is the flat out lies that are told, not only to the general public who misguidedly believe that abortion “helps” women, but the lies told to the desperate women seeking the abortion.
I was severely anorexic when I was 14yrs. old and pregnant and I had a abortion. I was probably 8weeks along? I was dieing, the baby gets the food taken into your body first and I was taking in hardly any. It was either me and the baby dieing or the baby dieing. As far as my mother was concerned, I was going to have a abortion. The chances of the baby being healthy and being able to live a happy life were slim to none, if I would have lived long enough to have it and/or the baby lived long enough to be born. No, I don’t feel happy about it! But I do feel like I did the right thing. 5yrs later God gave me a happy and healthy son and thanks to God I was cured from anorexia.
Pam,
I’m very happy that you no longer suffer from your eating disorder, and equally happy about your son !!!
I have never understood the stance of “pro-life” people who have NEVER been put in the position of being pregnant and not really having a choice…. NOT ALL women who get pregnant have had sex by their own choice. I do not believe Abortion should be used as birth control and abhor women who do so…. But I also think pro life assholes who stand on the street with their lovely photos of dead fetuses need to understand that me as a woman have lost babies at that same gestation and it causes extreme sadness and emptiness inside of me….. they do not think of those people do they? NO THEY DON’T!!!!!
Dee,
Actually, I do think about women like you, and I’m sorry that you have endured the tragedies that you have.
Being pro-life isn’t only about saving babies from death, it’s also and equally about saving women from making a decision that the majority of them will regret.
Rape accounts for 1% of the abortions performed annually in the United States. The other 99% is performed as an elective, and as a means of birth control. Currently over 1 million abortions are performed in the US every year, while there are over 3 million couples waiting to adopt.
I simply believe that women deserve better than abortion, and if that makes me a “pro-life asshole”, then so be it. I will carry that with pride.
God speed, Dee.
Abortion does help women. I personally would probably never choose to abort, but I would never take the choice away from anyone. The reasons to abort are far more varied than just a birth control option, so who are we to judge?
I have friends who have had abortions, and their choices were right for them. One has Lupus and her birth control failed. The pregnancy could have and probably would have killed her, the doctors told her. Had she lived through it, she and her husband would have had to cope with a baby while she went through health crisis after health crisis. She is nearly blind, paraplegic, and living on massive amounts of morphine now.
Another friend found out her much wanted baby was anencephalic. It had no brain, no top of its head. Its skull was like an almost empty bowl. It would never think, see, hear, feel. It would be born to die. Not all babies are healthy. My friend grieved the loss of her baby, but spared herself the agonizing months of being what she called a living tomb.
Who are we to insist that they had no choice but to carry and deliver those babies?
Thank you Maelstrom!! Adding to some of the other comments, I don’t believe in using abortion as a form of birth control too. I know a woman that when she was young did!! Then they past a law in Pa that you can’t have any more than 3. And I agree with the fact that no one should judge if they haven’t walked a mile in someone elses shoes. I think we all know that abortions would still take place if they outlawed it, just like they were way before they were legal. Making it legal gave people a safer place to have them. I don’t have a daughter but I sure wouldn’t want her to have a back alley abortion!
I am a pro-lifer. I have two children of my own, and I can’t imagine ever having decided to abort them. However, I understand that it was MY decision, just as every other woman who becomes pregnant will make a conscious decision to either have or not have the child. I wouldn’t have wanted an abortion forced on me, and I can’t fathom forcing a woman to go through childbirth. It’s really a personal decision, and I bear no judgement on anyone who has had an abortion. That’s not my job, nor would I ever want it to be. I think in the end we all will answer for the choices we made during our lifetime, and if you’re okay with answering why you chose not to have your child, that’s your right. Who am I to take that away from you?
Ok! Some Dick Wade, from here, went to my on-line store and posted on my wall about abortion!!! Didn’t have the balls to say anything here or make a profile of theirself there!!! YES, the baby does get the nutrition in your body before you do!!! You do your fuckin’ research ass-hole!! I tend to believe my doctors!!! And real nice name to use on my store wall!! PEOPLE YOU’LL SEE IN HELL! Gee, think of that all by yourself?!
So, a women who is raped needs to keep a child that will forever remind her of that day?
I am Pro-Choice, I do not have any kids, and I’ve never had an abortion, I don’t even think I know anyone who has. But, I have seen many people that should NOT have kids. They are just not maternal or paternal people, is it ok for kids to be brought up by people who never wanted them and don’t treat them right?
Is it ok for the 15 year old who made a silly teenage mistake to throw away her future, and the future of her child by being brought up with nothing?
I’m going to take this apart bit by bi:
“Without meaning to condemn anyone, I have to wonder if the legality of abortion on demand contributes to a social climate in which life is cheap.”
Exactly how is life considered cheap by allowing a human being the right to decide what happens to their own bodies?
The anti-abortion debate often revolves around this idea that abortion is the ending of a life which is somehow independent of the person carrying it. The pro-choice argument being that you should not force any human being to endure a prolonged, often painful, period of time which normally and without complications comes with permanent physical repercussions (not just aesthetic like some brush them off as, but actual changes to the body which can never be undone, such as the thinning of the enamel, tearing/stretching of muscles and sinew, etc) as well as semi-permanent physical repercussions (it’ll take 6 years for a “perfectly healthy” human body to fully recover from one pregnancy carried to term) as well as other more temporary physical repercussions. With complications the repercussions can be considerably worse and even cause death.
This period of time can also have permanent, semi-permanent, and temporary repercussions in other aspects of life. Social, psychological and financial repercussions of being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term can put a person out on the street, or worse.
As such, the way I see it, by opposing abortion we are suggesting that the value of a human being is so much less than that of a potential human being that the human being who already lives is reduced to an object almost, made to be little more than an incubator for the potential life, with no human rights to body autonomy or control over their own lives to speak of.
As such, I find the anti-abortion movement to be anti-human, anti-rights.
Whereas the pro-choice movement, in my mind, is more associated with placing due value on human rights which are integral to giving human life real value.
I have to wonder if the idea that you have a right to engage in whatever form of sex you choose with anyone at any time helps foster in the individual a narcissistic sense of entitlement.
Er… I don’t think anyone’s arguing that anyone has that right over others, but that we all have the right, the equal right, to have what sex we choose with those we choose.
If we all have this right then we also all have the responsibility not to “force” anyone into the sex “we” desire because they too have the same rights as we do.
Like this, I like having kinky sex with my husband and it is my right to have this kinky sex with my husband if I choose to, however, my rights do not supersede his rights as our rights are equal and therefore I do not have the right to have this kinky sex with him against his will. If on the other hand he wants to have sex, then whatever kinky sex we have, as two consenting adults (or more if anyone cares to join us), is ours to have and our right to have in the privacy of our own home.
Simply put. Just cause you don’t like what we do doesn’t mean what we do is wrong because it’s not your bloody business!
And in a society whose highest value seems to be “If it feels good, do it – and sweep the consequences under the rug,” where does it end?
Tsk tsk.
Here’s a strawman along with a couple other logical fallacies.
No one sweeps the consequences under the rug. Having an abortion isn’t something that people do to “sweep the consequences under the rug.” It’s a difficult personal decision which people make where they take their lives into account.
Most abortions aren’t preformed on people who just happened to get knocked up after a night of partying and aren’t willing to stop partying, they’re preformed on people who’re overworked, underpayed, and can’t afford, physically, emotionally, nor financially to bring another child into the world even if they were able to give said child up for adoption. We’re talking the mother of three who got raped and can’t take even 2 days off of work because she has to feed her kids by working two jobs. We’re talking the chronically ill person who has to choose between taking her medications so she can survive, or praying to whatever deity’ll listen that she’ll be able to linger long enough for the fetus to develop to a point where it can survive without her as she’ll surely die trying to keep it.
We’re also talking those who have the procedure done to remove an already miscarried wanted pregnancy.
Without the access to the freedom of choice, these lives would be lost if not just ruined completely without any hope of repair.
How does that give any value to “life”?
When we throw the virtues of self-restraint out the window, why are we so surprised and horrified to discover that pedophiles feel entitled to get their kicks too?
Why is a slippery slope argument a logical fallacy? Well, because it usually draws up this ridiculous image that whatever follows is somehow a natural consequence of what one’s against even if the two are unrelated, or miles apart, or just generally idiotic.
Note that part where it says “everyone” in what I stated earlier. That “everyone” has the right to having the sex they “want”. That means that no one is ever allowed to be forced to have the sex they “don’t” want.
When it comes to pedophilia, it’s not just illegal because the child says no, but also because the child doesn’t have the physical nor neurological development to be able to say yes and understand what that entails. If everyone’s allowed to have the sex they “want” and no one should be “forced” (coerced, tricked, etc) into the sex they don’t want OBVIOUSLY that means that pedophilia is NOT OKAY!
Honestly, this is such a preposterous “slippery slope” argument that it’s ridiculous of you even to to make it.
Kids that get adopted are abused. Bad things happen to kids in foster care. We’ve read those stories too.
My view on abortion is simply this: it is MY responsibility to take care of that life. Mine. I created it, I need to take care of it. I can’t do that if it’s out of my control. I wouldn’t sleep again for the rest of my life wondering where that child was and if they were okay. It’s my responsibility and if I feel that terminating the pregnancy is the best decision, it’s my decision to make.
I had an abortion several years ago. I tell the guy “Hey! I’m pregnant!” And he says “Hey! I’m married!”. I thought it through and decided termination was the way to go.
My now husband and I got pregnant. I was SO traumatized about the prior abortion that I decided to go through with the pregnancy – and it resulted in twins. I would jump in front of a bullet for my kids. I will do horrible, terrible things to the person who tries to hurt my children the way I was hurt as a child. My kids love me. But I would SO not do it again. I think I suck as a parent. Emotionally I’m not there for them. Mentally I’m checked out. Is it possible that had I put them up for adoption that they would have been in a great family? Sure. It’s also possibly they would have been adopted by the chick who starved them and put their corpses into a freezer. Adoption can also take a very, very long time. And it’s expensive.
A fetus will react to stimulation, but it’s not cognitive thought. It’s not the fetus going “OMG, it’s gonna kill me!” it’s pure reflex. There is no cognitive function in the brain until approximately 28 weeks gestation. At 24 weeks gestation 36% of babies born can survive, usually with severe complications. A baby is not considered full term or capable of surviving outside the uterus without assistance until week 37 of gestation.
Should women who have miscarriages be charged for involuntary manslaughter if abortion is murder?
The only time I would consider abortion to be murder is when someone – and I can’t even IMAGINE who would do this – decides to abort a full term pregnancy through partial birth abortion. I think THAT sick and twisted option needs to be taken away and replaced with automatic custody to the state for the child to be placed up for adoption. At the point when the fetus is capable of surviving “on its own” outside the womb, THAT should be murder.
When it’s a clump of cells that could be a salamander or a chicken or a dog (because they do all look strikingly similar in the beginning phases)? It’s up to every individual to make their own decision.
I’m sure I’m going to catch hell for this, but I figure I’m going to be on the shit list anyway:
When I go to wherever I’m going at the end of this life I will stand by what I did, because having children showed me that I made the right choice. There is NO WAY in hell that I could have possibly raised a child on my own.
And I won’t give my dog away to have God only knows what happen to it…why would I do less for my child?
I’m not going to give you shit for anything you said, Kate. We simply disagree is all, and no debate on abortion, whether you’re for it or against it should result in some ugly, petty bullshit. – That’s just not my style.
- I had one too…I was 18. And there isn’t one day that goes by where I don’t regret it.
Why, after a certain number of replies do you lose the option to reply?
@Maelstrom
It’s good when it doesn’t get to the petty “you’re going to hell” garbage. Almost like it’s adults…lol.
I had a LOT of regrets. But when I had my kids I realized what a mental and emotional train wreck I am, and my husband was less than helpful for about the first six months. I struggled, and I struggled a LOT. That was after being married and having a home, a few years ago I would have been completely on my own.
My kids are fed, clean, clothed. I don’t beat them or torture them or do anything else that will deliberately scar them for life. But I’m too distant from them and that’s not good for them either. Realizing my huge shortcomings as a parent, and realizing how incredibly difficult everything has been has shown me that I made the right decision before. I love my kids as much as I think I’m able to but I do everything in my power to not conceive again and will be discussing tubal ligation with my GYN in a few days. I should not be a mother, and I made the right decision for me.
For other women, the right decision may be adoption. But I don’t have a supportive family to support me through a pregnancy, I’m so screwed up mentally and emotionally I’m fortunate that I’ve been able to put one foot in front of the other without falling into drug or alcohol dependence. There are more bad mothers than just the ones who abuse their kids. I just hope that if my girls don’t go through the trauma that I did they may be able to break the cycle and be good mothers when their time comes.
@Kate
“Why, after a certain number of replies do you lose the option to reply?”
Because WordPress uses a tree relationship to relate quotes together, but there’s a diminishing return on how styled a comment can be once it diminishes beyond a certain point. TO that end, the programmers wrote in a limiter to the number of replies from one comment tree.
Take for example:
Comment 1 (Parent)
-Comment 2(First Child)
–Comment 3(Second Child)
—Comment4(Third Child)
—-Comment5(Fourth Child)
Notice how the backgrounds shift from white to grey between these? HTML and CSS have a relationship to one another as each of these comments is made, so that there is a way to visually distinguish it from the next, but notice how replies seem to run out of room? They lose a little bit of space to the left on each of the child relationships. Then in the fourth child they alternate a different shade of gray to a shade of white back and forth until the conversation stops. The comment box doesn’t diminish anymore, which means you never get comments in a heated discussion that look like
The limitations of the page can be overridden by the admins, but this particular problem was solved by the wordpress developers several years ago, so while the “reason” for it may not seem appropriate, those of us who wrestled with it in earlier variations of the internet, wryly chuckle and congratulate those who found a good system to compensate.
Does that answer the question or leave more?
I would highly recommend the movie “Citizen Ruth” to anyone who is interested in the pro-choice vs pro-life debate. It won’t answer any questions, but it’s entertaining. Personally, I’ve been fortunate enough to have never found myself in the position of needing an abortion. However, I’m a believer in quality of life, both for the mother and the child. Women should have a choice. Let each individual deal with their own conscience.
Leasha, I think you may be my clone. i couldn’t have said it better myself :)
Yeah, because ALL adoptive parents are willing to ‘love’ and ‘care’ for a child, too. Shut the fuck up, idiot. You pro-lifers love to preach about how adoption is the end-all, be-all solution for unwanted children. But it’s not true. Kids can suffer just as much being in the system.
That was a little rude, don’t you think? Not all people who are pro-life go around screaming at the top of their lungs that women who have had abortions are murderers. We don’t all go around preaching that instead you should have given birth to that child and given it up for adoption. However the term “unwanted children” irks me. It’s like saying these women made some flip decision to just throw out their children like a piece of garbage…I am sure that a lot more thought and soul searching went into their decision to terminate their pregnancy and you’re trivializing that struggle every time you use that term.
So when you think about it, your comment did little to help the pro-choice side of the argument. If anything you made it seem like a callous, cold hearted decision. Think before you type. It’s not that complicated.
Most of the pro-abortion people I know and run across – with the exception of a few on this site, are bitter, uneducated morons who can not make an argument as to why they’re pro-abortion.
They simply call anyone who disagrees with them names, screams about how “mean” we are, how we “hate” women, and how we must all be bible thumping neanderthals. The right to life is thee most basic of all human rights. It really isn’t any more complicated than that.
You can bring up rare instances of rape, or medical issues that are somehow supposed to justify abortion, and I’ll be more than happy to debate that. Telling me to “shut the fuck up” isn’t going to happen though. You can gang up on me, and call me whatever name you like….bring in 600 people to disagree with me, and slam me into the minority. It’s irrelevant to me.
Make an argument, instead of screaming and stomping your feet like a child.
Oh really? You’d justify forcing a woman to carry a baby through term despite medical reasons or because she was raped? I’d love to see you give some good reasons for that. Stupid cunts like you LOVE forcing people to do what THEY want whether than let them decide if they want to abort or not. You’re a dumb whore.
somebody need to put big bloated McNasty ass in a coffin nail that bitch shut and throw it in the ocean and for that shit stain man of her just toss his ass over board too in shark infested waters with out a coffin!
I played outside in the snow a lot, up until I was 18 or 19. Even as a full-grown woman, I’d get terrified when I’d be building a snow tunnel or fort and part would cave in, even just on my legs. The helplessness and panic that swept over me when I couldn’t move, or see, for even a few seconds, was completely overwhelming.
The thought of being a small child locked in a tiny space (especially a fucking COFFIN), as PUNISHMENT… I… I can’t even. There are no words.
Yet another reason that retards like these should not have access to children…..
These people aren’t retarded, they’re evil.
seriously if we had eye for an eye justice i think crime against children would go down..immensely
If our justice system stopped caring about infringing on the civil rights of those who entertained themselves by violating those same rights of others we’d get a lot farther.
I accidentally hit no to hell but meant yes they deserve it. This boy is lucky to be alive it was only a matter time before they left him in there until it was too late. Sick ass people.
Oh, look at poor Lori on the 2nd picture, don’t you feel sorry for her? Let´s all hug her, she´s been through so much. It makes me sick how these POS always look like cowards when they’re caught. That poor baby, I can´t even imagine how scared he might have been in that basement, I shiver just thinking about it, and his words to the officers, heartbreaking. Hell does exist, we are living in it, it’s all around us.
it’s hard to find words for these people, any of them. i’ll never understand the criminal brain, or how, or why people think it’s okay to destroy children.
On what planet is it OK to torture your children like that? Oh yes of course Earth, the planet I have to share with fuckers like these.
For two lazy fucks they sure went the extra mile by dragging the chains across the floor to add to this poor boy’s terror.
May she be given a jail sentence thats long enough to stop her reproducing again.
Alternately, may she be violated with a rusty spoon every day of her incarceration, rendering her sterile and saving any more little souls from this psycho bitch and any semen- pipes she may drag through her home.
I hate people like this. I also hate those fuckers who “snap” and beat their kids to death, but this type of thing is seriously something else. You have to have something fundamentally wrong with your spirit to do this kind of thing day in and day out and still sleep soundly- and smile coyly for your mugshot! What the actual fuck is that “Wednesday Adams on the prowl for some loving” leerish grin? Yeeeeuch.
Over the course of the past few years I have watched a lovely online friend struggle with fertility problems. She and her man want so desperately to have a child together, a living expression of their love. They would be phenomenal parents. Three years ago she finally became pregnant. When the doctors told her the pregnancy seemed to be ectopic, she was devastated. They did an exploratory surgery and couldn’t find anything. Soon they located the fetus exactly where it was supposed to be, in the uterus! It was all the more horrible, then, when she miscarried. She was devastated for a long time, but wouldn’t give up. She had a second miscarriage this year. Now she is pregnant again and working with a doctor who specializes in high-risk pregnancies. It breaks my heart that a shitstain like Lori Gardner manages to get herself knocked up without even trying, while my friend’s joy and the love she already feels for that mysterious little person she’s carrying are tempered and stained by the fear that something will go wrong yet again. I hope Lori’s precious son will soon find a home with a patient, gentle set of adoptive parents who show him what a family is really supposed to feel like.
I hope your friend sued the shit out of that first doctor for malpractice.
I didn’t even tell you the worst part. When they were about to start the surgery, there was a problem with the anesthetic. It took her longer than usual to go under. For a few seconds she was physically paralyzed, but conscious. Of course, she had no way to communicate that she wasn’t ready. She thought she was going to feel them cutting into her abdomen and hear all the details of the procedure. It was only a few seconds before she finally went under completely, but even a few seconds of that is too much. She did sue, but I don’t know if anything ever came of it. I certainly hope so – the experience left her traumatized for a long time.
I can relate- when my eldest son was delivered by emergency C- section, preemie, I was put under a general anaesthetic and came round while they were wheeling him out of the theater and starting to stitch me up. It was without a doubt the most horrific experience of my life, and we couldn’t do anything about it since I “couldn’t prove it.” My heart breaks for your friend. It isn’t fair that some people have to battle so much just to be able to love someone new in their family, and then have to deal with stupid, unprofessional doctors who see you as another few hundred bucks raked in and nothing more, and others couldn’t be bothered to take any kind of positive interest in their offspring.
Coffins/caskets are quite expensive to buy. These people either spent a great deal of money to purchase a torture device for their child, or spent a great deal of time constructing one. People like this should not be allowed to walk the street, period.
Maybe they stole it.
For whatever it may be worth – the “coffin” that was used was a poorly constructed thing – looks like something out of a cheesy haunted house or a television sound stage. Of course, a young child would reasonably assume it was the real deal. The coffin also appeared to be so shallow that the lid would have pressed down on the boy or very nearly so, adding to the psychic trauma incurred by the little guy.
I am genuinely curious to learn how these two specimens were raised and what punishments their respective parental figures doled out. Psychologically damaging things like this rarely come out of the blue from what I understand.
She’s really a good person – if one is using Adolph Hitler as a standard for evil…..
Disgusting!! And to add to that…11% voted that ‘no’ these 2 don’t deserve hell! Totally baffled by that one…anyone who abuses a child deserves a one way ticket to hell IMO.
Sadly the boy will probably be placed with his mother again once she’s out of jail :( Remember the girl who duct taped her toddler and took pics of it, and even admitted to trapping him in a closet when she “didn’t want to deal with him”? Her son was returned to her after she got out of jail. The justice system is so fucked.
This is one of those cases that is just cause for involuntary sterilization. I hope to God they never have access to this little guy again. They actually don’t see much wrong with what they did? for
I’m all for letting the punishment fit the crime. Lock them in coffins (in diapers, Depends, whatever), rattle some chains and tell them the damned prison is haunted. Actually, I’d like to see someone peel the skin off both the assholes…. very slowly.
They don’t “deserve” hell, they already live there. Believe me. Anyone who can DO this and get some kind of enjoyment out of it is incredibly sick. Hell isn’t a place we go when we die. It’s a frame of mind that’s here and now. I know. I used to live there.
Unfortunately, this happened 1/2 hour from where I live. Your article didn’t mention there was also another child in the house, a toddler. Both children have, obviously, been taken away from these animals.
first of, i want to say Thank You for posting again. I missed reading this all last month. This is what i do at work, read all your stories. I just like to learn how i shouldn’t trust pretty much anyone. I have a 5month old son and it keeps me informed on the little signs he may give me that something might have went wrong with his daddy or his babysitter. And for that i really Thank You!!!
Any whom, regarding this story, i am disgusted by these two morons!! why in the hell would they do this to a child. Especially at the age when kids are scared of boogieman and all that. Its highly unfair what some kids and babies go through! why did this bitch reproduce if she would treat him this way. All for a stupid dick of course. Ugh! Makes me really mad to know that they had the balls to put him in a coffin! Im glad that this idiot didnt put too much weight that last time or it could have been a worst outcome. A coffin has no air circulating, meaning after a certain amount of time, he would easily die. And wait, if it was in a diff house and they put a coffin there, didnt anyone of the neighbors find it suspicious?
Are they seriously SMILING in those mug shots?? Ooooh, I can go off on a rant about these assholes but instead I’ll take deep, cleansing breaths….I hope the boy’s future is better than his past :(
Talk about sick freaks. They should rot in Hell along side with Osama bin Laden and Adolf Hitler.
Another Hell worthy case in which a mother, Antoinette Davis, prostituted her daughter, Shaniya Davis, to Mario McNeill. Shaniya was later found dead. This one is really sickening.
Shaniya Davis Found Dead; Mother Turned Little Girl Into Sex Slave, Say Police
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5671683-504083.html
Maelstrom:
I sure can call the science you quoted faulty and biased. It doesn’t match up with what is known of the brain and the nervous system. The apparatus in the brain to assess pain doesn’t even exist until after 24 weeks gestation.
You made a claim with nothing to back it up. That claim is, according to all the reading I’ve done, in error. We can exchange links on information if you like, the only reason I hadn’t already provided links is because comments with links get put on approval.
But please don’t accuse me of ignoring science simply because what I’ve learned is contrary to what you’re trying to tell me. You say I am choosing not to hear what doesn’t fit in with what I’ve already decided, but believe me, I could say the same to you.
Which is why I don’t want to debate the science. It will get neither of us anywhere. I did my own research, and I have looked extensively at both sides of the issue. I have tried to discuss this exact issue with others giving your same opinions, and it never ends with “oh, I hadn’t seen that article before, that makes a difference”, and as I like and respect you, I do not see the point in getting emotionally involved in a debate like this.
There was a point where I agreed with you. My mind was changed as I aged and knew more of life and as I learned more about the scientific side of it. I can accept you feel very strongly the way you do, and still disagree as strongly. And I can’t condone calling abortion a terrible act of child abuse, as you have.
You’d rather hear someone who is pro-abortion say the pain doesn’t matter? O for goodness sake.
I’m not pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and I made that clear in an earlier discussion. And of course the pain matters to me.
After re-reading that comment, in the interest of keeping respectful and remembering that you are not trying to cast me as some fetus-hating fetus torturer, I will just let this lie.
ForlornW,
Understood….we disagree quite strongly. And no, I’m not out to label anyone, especially you or Kate as “baby hating” , nor do I feel a need to doom anyone to hell, or anything else equally retarded and ridiculous.
I know I’m in the minority here with this issue, and will always be. And perhaps there are some points I could have articulated better…not sure. But I do enjoy the debate, and different opinions.
The mind absolutely boggles. Thankfully, the human spirit isn’t easily daunted. I’m glad that after all of this horsechit the boy still had the fight in him (as opposed to scared out of him) to fight his way out of that coffin and then, when finding the door was locked, scream bloody murder. It disgusts, angers, and saddens me to think that those moments he was screaming for help could have been scarier than the ones locked in that basement with his egg and sperm donors rattling chains. I am glad his fear of retribution was less than his fear of continuing on in that situation.
I have to go read more on this, did this boy not go to school? Did an entire community fail him? (Also still working through the comments, my answer may be there).
~Mahalo~
Leasha, I think you may be my clone. i couldn’t have said it better myself :)
Poor little guy….this is just insane on so many levels. As a mom to 2 little boys, I cannot imagine EVER inflicting any type of psychological trauma on my children…and God help anyone who ever dared, as I would kill them myself.
I’ll never understand these women who get with men and decide that their child is no longer important. I’ll never understand the women who sit idly by and watch their child being abused, mentally or physically. It literally makes me sick to my stomach and fills me with a level of rage that scares me. Thank God I don’t know where this woman lives.
Seriously…Thank God.
I really like this site because of all the cases I get to learn about but the writing styles of the authors tends to get a little frustrating. I wish they would hold a little back on the emotion and sarcasm and would just report the facts. Also, it would be helpful if they provided a little more info in the opening paragraphs so that I know what I am getting into before I click the link to read more about the case. Just my two cents.
You like the site but not the writing? What is this site without the writing? You want facts with no opinions? Stick to newspapers then. This isn’t the site for you.
You took the words right out of my keyboard, Cleo. While Christina is certainly entitled to her opinion, and I in no way intend to piss upon her two cents, I cannot help but disagree with her on this. If the emotion and the dark humour in the writing were left out, and only the bare facts were allowed to be presented, this would be one bleak and disheartening site – a reminder that the world is a shitty place, instead of being a reminder that there are good people out there who actually give a fuck.
So to all you writers of PYSIH, please, please, please do not listen to Christina. Your opinions and emotions and senses of humour are much appreciated, so keep up the good work!
Thanks Homer. When choosing the crimes to write about and especially after researching them I get really involved. I need to express myself emotionally to deal with the utter awfulness and horror. I want the readers to feel involved too. So having someone quibble about the writing style kinda stung. Thanks for your support.
I agree… I love the way all of you write your stories. I love the sarcasm and insults and dark humor. It gives readers a feel of what the author was feeling when writing the article, relating to how we are feeling about the situation we are reading about. It is good to know there are people who care, that the world isn’t just full of evil. Not that we NEED that to know that… But it helps. And it is what makes this site unique.
Please, do keep up the good work =)
No. I write how I write. It makes me chuckle, because otherwise I would go nuts.
These miscreants live in the county over from mine. This is typical of the area. Hopefully, this little guy will get help and find a nice home, where he’s loved and appreciated!
They put the kid in a coffin? What the fuck is wrong with people?
I seriously hope that this child does not get reunited with his parents after they serve time and go to some bullshit parenting classes!! There are too many cases like this… This is where it starts… I would hate to read about this little boy years from now only to find out he was killed after being reunited with those pathetic pieces of trash. But there isn’t much hope that the system will work. There are just too many that it has failed =(
You are so right! This child should be awarded to someone who will love him and help him learn to live a normal and happy life. This poor baby has no idea what life should really be like. What these evil pair did to this poor baby should be enough for his maternal parent because she does NOT deserve the word mother, to lose custody of this baby and NEVER given any information of his whereabouts. This child deserves a REAL HOME and HAPPINESS that these evil people deprived him of!!!!!!
Hey all, I talked to Max the Cat tonight. With the snow storm that hit Connecticut, he and a million others had been without power for a week. Max is now back home, and altho is he feeling somewhat better he still is having memory issues. He is having trouble remembering how to use his computer. Poor guy!
I’ll remain one of his loyal lackeys :) *stands on desk* Oh Captain, My Captain.
Thanks for the update, Cleo, it’s good to hear Max is feeling better. They say no news is good news, but goddamn if he didn’t have me worried there for a while. I really hope he makes a full recovery, I miss his stories, his comments and his ability to make mincemeat out of pesky little trolls.
And NavyCop, would you kindly make room for me on that desk? I, too, shall remain one of his loyal lackeys. :-)
Max the Cat has had me worried as well, and for good reason as it turns out. His heart had actually stopped and he had to be resuscitated in the ambulance. Five weeks in hospital and 40 pounds weight loss were the result of his heart attack. He is only now starting to climb stairs. But the real trouble for him, aside from a very bad heart, is the loss of some memories including how to use his computer and his passwords. I wish I lived closer to him so I could give him a hand. He is gratified to learn that he is missed by our little community.
You bet your ass I will, Homer. Max has been a mentor from afar, a close friend over a vast distance, and a hero in the eyes of this wayfaring sailor. Max, you are in the hearts, thoughts, and prayers of your friends here, may your recovery be swift and complete. In the meantime, we on the frontlines will do our best in the absence of you, good sir.
I’m sorry to go off-topic here, but I was wondering if there was news about how Max (the Cat) is doing? He was so very kind as to give me a try by allowing me to write a couple of articles for the site, and he’s claimed a very special spot in my heart.
Max, if you’re reading this, please know that you are being prayed for by people you know and love, but you are also being prayed for by people you will probably never meet.
Take care, Max :)
Love, Deb
Hey Admin, Max the Cat is having some memory issues since his bad bout of ill health. Is it possible for you to contact Max the Cat directly to provide him access to PYSIH?
Yes but only by email.
Admin, I have Max’s phone number if you need it. You are also welcome to email the info to me and I can pass it on to Max. His memory loss has been distressing for him.
Max the Cat is having some memory issues since his bad bout of ill health. Does anyone out there have the password for PYSIH? Is it possible for that person to contact Max the Cat to provide him access to PYSIH? I have his personal contaact info if needed.
Cleo, thanks for the update on Max! How scary that must have been, but it’s great that he’s doing better. Have you tried e-mailing admin to get the passwords and whatnot? He would probably be able to help.
No.
Admin, is that “no” you cannot help or “no” you did not get emails? I have sent emails to editorpysih@comcast.?net and editor@pysih.com, and sent via the contact form. Possibly my emails were sent to the junk mail. Do you have another email you use? And are you in receipt of new articles or do you need them resent?
I will never understand how people can enjoy causing someone else let alone a child pain. How can a mother carry a child & go through child birth to then torture the child? It makes me sick. How did they decide to do this & agree to both do it? I couldn’t imagine anyone saying to me, “lets put your son in a diaper, tape his hands & lock him in a coffin”. I really hope that the kid goes on to a better life & doesn’t get lost in the system or in the wrong hands.
It’s incomprehensible to me as well. These creatures are missing that essential ingredient that would make them human. It’s a shame they found each other — beasts like this should be condemned to be alone and unable to procreate.
look at her fucking grin in her mugshot. christ.
This article is so sad I almost cried after reading this..the good thing is the poor child survived..what angers me about these stories is how these pig women can allow a man to come in and abuse their child along with them..not even putting their own blood children first..and yet they almost always get a light sentence..I think the mother who could have protected her child should get even more time then the other one..all it would have taken was one strong person to step up to the plate and stop something that is wrong..notice how child abusers always attract each other..I believe weak people attract each other just like strong people attract each other.
Just Wow…some people should have to take tests to be allowed to keep their children.
I would love just a couple of minutes with lori gardner! boys need their mom… she is a sick bitch that truly deserves to rot her lard ass in hell!
Both of these individuals deserve to be punished and spend the rest of their lives in Hell. What they did to that child is disgusting. Let’s see how they feel being tormented.
This is one of the SADDEST stories I have ever read. I would like to adopt or foster this little boy. I just pray to GOD that he is placed in a caring home. I am REALLY serious. I’m not sure if this is possible, but I would like to know how to find out if there is ANYTHING I can do for this boy.
majn fuck yall Fluffy Bunnies tha lil brat prob deserved it, yall Fluffy Bunnies need 2 chill tha fuck out they didnt even give tha lil brat the ass beating he deserved
There, I fixed it… well, at least the racially charged part. –Jason